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Sugaree
June 13th, 2008, 02:45 PM
AMAGASAKI, Japan (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/japan/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) — Japan, a country not known for its overweight people, has undertaken one of the most ambitious campaigns ever by a nation to slim down its citizenry.
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A poster at a public health clinic in Japan reads, "Goodbye, metabo," a word associated with being overweight. The Japanese government is mounting an ambitious weight-loss campaign. More Photos » (http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/06/13/world/20080613FAT_index.html)

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Summoned by the city of Amagasaki one recent morning, Minoru Nogiri, 45, a flower shop owner, found himself lining up to have his waistline measured. With no visible paunch, he seemed to run little risk of being classified as overweight, or metabo, the preferred word in Japan these days.
But because the new state-prescribed limit for male waistlines is a strict 33.5 inches, he had anxiously measured himself at home a couple of days earlier. “I’m on the border,” he said.
Under a national law that came into effect two months ago, companies and local governments must now measure the waistlines of Japanese people between the ages of 40 and 74 as part of their annual checkups. That represents more than 56 million waistlines, or about 44 percent of the entire population.
Those exceeding government limits — 33.5 inches for men and 35.4 inches for women, which are identical to thresholds established in 2005 for Japan by the International Diabetes (http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/diabetes/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier) Federation as an easy guideline for identifying health risks — and having a weight-related ailment will be given dieting guidance if after three months they do not lose weight. If necessary, those people will be steered toward further re-education after six more months.
To reach its goals of shrinking the overweight population by 10 percent over the next four years and 25 percent over the next seven years, the government will impose financial penalties on companies and local governments that fail to meet specific targets. The country’s Ministry of Health argues that the campaign will keep the spread of diseases like diabetes and strokes in check.
The ministry also says that curbing widening waistlines will rein in a rapidly aging society’s ballooning health care costs, one of the most serious and politically delicate problems facing Japan today. Most Japanese are covered under public health care or through their work. Anger over a plan that would make those 75 and older pay more for health care brought a parliamentary censure motion Wednesday against Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/f/yasuo_fukuda/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the first against a prime minister in the country’s postwar history.
But critics say that the government guidelines — especially the one about male waistlines — are simply too strict and that more than half of all men will be considered overweight. The effect, they say, will be to encourage overmedication and ultimately raise health care costs.
Yoichi Ogushi, a professor at Tokai University’s School of Medicine near Tokyo and an expert on public health, said that there was “no need at all” for the Japanese to lose weight.
“I don’t think the campaign will have any positive effect. Now if you did this in the United States, there would be benefits, since there are many Americans who weigh more than 100 kilograms,” or about 220 pounds, Mr. Ogushi said. “But the Japanese are so slender that they can’t afford to lose weight.”
Mr. Ogushi was actually a little harder on Americans than they deserved. A survey by the National Center for Health Statistics found that the average waist size for Caucasian American men was 39 inches, a full inch lower than the 40-inch threshold established by the International Diabetes Federation. American women did not fare as well, with an average waist size of 36.5 inches, about two inches above their threshold of 34.6 inches. The differences in thresholds reflected variations in height and body type from Japanese men and women.
Comparable figures for the Japanese are sketchy since waistlines have not been measured officially in the past. But private research on thousands of Japanese indicates that the average male waistline falls just below the new government limit.
That fact, widely reported in the media, has heightened the anxiety (http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/symptoms/stress-and-anxiety/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier) in the nation’s health clinics.
In Amagasaki, a city in western Japan, officials have moved aggressively to measure waistlines in what the government calls special checkups. The city had to measure at least 65 percent of the 40- to 74-year-olds covered by public health insurance (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/health_insurance_and_managed_care/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier), an “extremely difficult” goal, acknowledged Midori Noguchi, a city official.
When his turn came, Mr. Nogiri, the flower shop owner, entered a booth where he bared his midriff, exposing a flat stomach with barely discernible love handles. A nurse wrapped a tape measure around his waist across his belly button: 33.6 inches, or 0.1 inch over the limit.
“Strikeout,” he said, defeat spreading across his face.
The campaign started a couple of years ago when the Health Ministry began beating the drums for a medical condition that few Japanese had ever heard of — metabolic syndrome — a collection of factors that heighten the risk of developing vascular disease and diabetes. Those include abdominal obesity (http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/symptoms/obesity/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier), high blood pressure (http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/hypertension/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier) and high levels of blood glucose and cholesterol (http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/nutrition/cholesterol/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier). In no time, the scary-sounding condition was popularly shortened to the funny-sounding metabo, and it has become the nation’s shorthand for overweight.
The mayor of one town in Mie, a prefecture near here, became so wrapped up in the anti-metabo campaign that he and six other town officials formed a weight-loss group called “The Seven Metabo Samurai.” That campaign ended abruptly after a 47-year-old member with a 39-inch waistline died of a heart attack (http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/heart-attack/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier) while jogging.
Still, at a city gym in Amagasaki recently, dozens of residents — few of whom appeared overweight — danced to the city’s anti-metabo song, which warned against trouser buttons popping and flying away, “pyun-pyun-pyun!”
“Goodbye, metabolic. Let’s get our checkups together. Go! Go! Go!
Goodbye, metabolic. Don’t wait till you get sick. No! No! No!”

Zephyr
June 13th, 2008, 03:18 PM
Poor sumo wrestlers = (

I can see that it's in the best interest of the people's health,
But wow. Not all fat people are unhealthy,
I'm overweight, but I have no health complications, or even borderline as of my last checkup.

0=
June 13th, 2008, 03:28 PM
Let's see that over here now.

Dante
June 13th, 2008, 07:57 PM
i think it is a very ambitious idea.

They should have something similar like that here..even though...a lot of us r too lazy to do something like that

theOperaGhost
June 13th, 2008, 09:10 PM
I'm overweight, and I consider myself to be rather healthy. I can run a long distance. I might not be the fastest, but I have a lot of endurance. Now I do think I need to lose weight, but I don't have the initiative to do so, so something like this would probably be good to get me started.

0=
June 13th, 2008, 09:20 PM
I'm overweight, and I consider myself to be rather healthy.

Overweight and healthy do not belong in the same sentence. Just because you don't pass out after a "long distance" doesn't mean you're healthy. Fat causes many health problems besides making exercising difficult.

theOperaGhost
June 13th, 2008, 09:54 PM
Well, okay then. But, I haven't got a single health problem, yet. You don't have to be thin to be healthy. And you can have a hard work out every day (not that I do) and still be overweight.

0=
June 13th, 2008, 10:00 PM
Well, okay then. But, I haven't got a single health problem, yet. You don't have to be thin to be healthy. And you can have a hard work out every day (not that I do) and still be overweight.

You can't be overweight and healthy, though. There are underlying health problems that shorten your life.

Techno Monster
June 13th, 2008, 10:07 PM
That is strange, It confused me to tell you the truth. Japan is actually a very skinny country.

japanman
June 13th, 2008, 10:10 PM
UGH to be honest im not a fan of any of the political leaders in japan right now infact not alot of ppl there do but some how they pass duumb things like this ugh i bet there are protests going on there right now.

serial-thrilla
June 13th, 2008, 11:18 PM
You can't be overweight and healthy, though. There are underlying health problems that shorten your life. Maybe at a certain point. A little bit of belly,arm,and leg fat isent unhealthy, but there is definatly a certain point where being overweight is extremely unhealthy.

Kaleidoscope Eyes
June 14th, 2008, 03:29 AM
I can understand requiring people to be within a certain weight range, such as only so many pounds over the healthy limit for their height and body type. But a waistline measurement? A small man, like 5 feet tall with a small frame, could potentially be overweight and "pass" the test, while a larger man, 6+ feet tall with a large muscular frame (but not overweight), might "fail". This is like saying everyone has to be able to fit into the same size jeans, regardless of height or body type. Hell, I don't even fit into the same jeans I wore 6 months ago, let alone the same jeans my peers are wearing.

Instead of punishing those who are overweight, why not focus more on the causes? I have yet to hear about bans on fast food, nor do most fast food places make their nutrition facts available anywhere but the internet (and who can honestly say they check calories online before going to Burger King or KFC? You simply order what sounds good and scarf it down). Also, many sit-down style restaurants serve huge portions, which many people feel obligated to finish without realizing it's way too many calories for a single meal, for the average person. If you only eat these foods on occasion, it may not affect you, but wouldn't it be nice to just have smarter choices that don't involve wrapping everything in lettuce or counting calories?

Another reason behind obesity is poverty. I don't know how poverty is in every city of Japan, but I know that in my city, a lot of the really low-income families have dreadfully overweight children. They don't have much money, their parents might work too much to have time to cook regularly, so they eat what's cheap and convenient: junk. Without much money, the kids don't always have bikes or skateboards either, which then limits the exercise they get. Maybe the government should find a way to help provide free/reduced sports equipment for these families, or give them a special price on gym memberships. If we can afford to give these kids free/reduced school lunch (and breakfast, for some kids!), why can't we help them to stay healthy too?

I'm not saying I could do a better job fixing the problem, even in a country like Japan where obesity isn't as big of an issue, but I hope other countries don't adopt the same policy.

You can't be overweight and healthy, though. There are underlying health problems that shorten your life.

Yes and no. It depends on how overweight you are. Someone like me, who is currently about 13 pounds above my medically ideal weight, isn't a prime candidate for many health problems just based on that. Obesity, though, defined as 30 pounds or more above ideal, is definitely known to cause health problems in the long run.

japanman
June 14th, 2008, 03:33 AM
:clap: very good point jessi

Hyper
June 14th, 2008, 06:20 AM
I find this to be ridicilous medically and principally

BeautifulSilence
June 14th, 2008, 05:08 PM
That is stupid. My natural waistline (about 2 inches above navel) is around 34 inches and my waistline (in line with navel) is like 36 inches atleast!

I just think it's absolutely ridiculous, what if someone has a large frame and the smallest they can naturally/healthily get is higher than what's legal?

EDIT: Oh, last bit's already been staed, but in a better way :whoops:

george
June 14th, 2008, 06:40 PM
Thats odd....

Why would they do that? When I went to Japan, I was eating breakfast at this hotel and there was like this huge window and all I saw were huge crowds or people just walking to the train station to go to work. Most people in Japan walk everywhere, or take the trains. That doesn't really make sense to me.

Medical Kid
June 14th, 2008, 07:35 PM
they should do that in America, i personally am quite thin, but obesity is a major health concern, japans setting a good example :D