Children of Men

[Dante]

Now I am pro-choice when it comes to the issue of abortion.

However, I started to wonder...should it JUST be a womans choice to terminate her pregnancy?

I understand the argument that it is her body and she has the right to do what she wants to it, but what about the fathers?

isnt it his choice as much as hers? isnt it his child as well as hers?
what if she doesn't want to keep the baby and he does?

thoughts???

[kitkat92]

I think that the dad shud have a say but at the end of the day i guess they cudnt stop a girl because its there body an no one can really tell them what to do. If I was in the situation I wouldnt do anything without talking 2 the dad first.

[Hyper]

See now.. You can call me a bastard, sexist etc.. But I really believe a woman & a man have their own place..

I really don't give a crap about the ''womens rights'' people. If there was a scenario where the father wants her to give birth to the child and she wants to have an abortion.. I'd say she shouldn't have the abortion.

If both parents don't want the child then go ahead, sadly its legal in many places.

I ventured off thought.. But yeah I don't think its just the womans choice and I think the ''its my body'' stuff is BS.

[Whisper]

no i don't think it should be her choice alone at all
If that ever happened to me I'd want the baby, no abortion
If she doesn't thats fine
If she wants absolutely nothing to do with it, thats fine
once it was born I'd take it

[[[chickaroo92]]]

If she didn't want the baby, then she shouldn't have had sex. Simple.
If I was the husband (which I'm not...) I would want the baby to live and grow up...etc. I wouldn't want my own child to be "killed".

I think that its between the parents, but the mother should reconsider.

[theOperaGhost]

Even though I'm against abortion, I do think the father should definitely have as much say in it as the mother. It takes two to make a baby, so it should take two to kill it. If I were in the situation, I would definitely want to keep the baby. But, I'm pro-life, so I hate the idea of abortion anyway.

[japanman]

Hell id let the girl do wat she wants its her choice.

Dads have a say but they cant control there daughter.

[Rutherford The Brave]

At a certain age I believe it should become her choice and only her choice but until she reaches that age it should fall on a guardian.

[theOperaGhost]

Hell id let the girl do wat she wants its her choice.

Dads have a say but they cant control there daughter.

At a certain age I believe it should become her choice and only her choice but until she reaches that age it should fall on a guardian.

I think what the OP meant was the father of the unborn baby, not the pregnant girl's father. Just to clear things up.

[george]

Yes, it should also be the fathers choice, but most of the time when a woman is getting an abortion, its because neither of them want it or they weren't expecting a child. Like Juno :D So I say yes.


Edit: Oh and on another note, mothers shouldn't have abortions, they should simply have it, then put him/her up for adoption.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I was just wondering how this whole "my body, my choice" thing came to be. Because frankly it just seems wrong to me. It isn't JUST "your body" this LIVING THING inside of you also contains half of the DNA from the father, so technically only "half" of the baby is really yours.

But even SO, this baby is a mix of both mother and father. Shouldn't that mean that this baby is it's OWN person? It's DNA is similar to both mother and father, yet it's still NOT THE EXACT SAME. So technically you shouldn't be allowed to use this "my body, my choice" thing as a defense. In my personal opinion I don't think it's even "part" of the mothers own body. A baby is a PERSON in it's own right. They should be given the same chance to simply EXIST like the rest of us. A stupid mistake (i.e. unprotected sex) on the part of the parents is NO EXCUSE for literally killing an entity SEPARATE yet similar to the parents.

So yeah, the dad should have a choice; he made up half of this child. But what about the child itself? He/She can't speak for herself... so why should THEY be allowed to speak for it and not even give it a chance at life?

This anti-abortion plea is not religously based for me (though it is for many people). From a purely fair and logical standpoint I think it's just plain unethical and underhanded to cheat a sentient being out of it's own existence merely because a stupid choice was made and the two people involved aren't strong-willed enough to DEAL with their choices!

[Oblivion]

See now.. You can call me a bastard, sexist etc.. But I really believe a woman & a man have their own place..

I really don't give a crap about the ''womens rights'' people. If there was a scenario where the father wants her to give birth to the child and she wants to have an abortion.. I'd say she shouldn't have the abortion.

If both parents don't want the child then go ahead, sadly its legal in many places.

I ventured off thought.. But yeah I don't think its just the womans choice and I think the ''its my body'' stuff is BS.

Why don't you just amputate the baby stick it in the man, and tell him to breast feed it and take care of it, and freaking push it out, and see if he still wants it? It's so horribly hard on the mother (Not saying single fathers cant do good, or that fathers have no role). They have so many responsibilities that are part of the body that would be near impossible for a father to take. If a mother doesn't want to have a baby, and the mother will almost definitely be taking care of the baby the most, it should be an agreement, not a male-rights act. If it was going to be any one persons choice, it should be the MOTHER and not the FATHER

[theOperaGhost]

I'm sorry, but I do disagree with Nick. The baby is still half his in the first place. I'm not disagreeing that giving birth is extremely hard and painful, but like I said, it took two people to make the baby, so it should be a joint decision to KILL it. And I also know many married fathers who are taking more care of their babies than the mothers. My cousin for example has a one year old, and I'm not saying his wife is a bad mother, but my cousin(the father) takes much more and better care of their child.

[Mzor203]

no i don't think it should be her choice alone at all
If that ever happened to me I'd want the baby, no abortion
If she doesn't thats fine
If she wants absolutely nothing to do with it, thats fine
once it was born I'd take it


I'm with Kodie's thinking here. It's both parents' children, so if the woman wants an abortion, I think the man should be able to just stp in, take the baby, and leave the woman alone, if it's like that.

[japanman]

GRR i thought this was about a therior on the fact that children might stop bieng orn like in children o men but its not but iguess ill have t look at my journal cause i have some stuff on this there

[foof1]

is he the one who has to go through the surgery though? is he the one who has to go through the pain of giving birth? its the womens choice

[Oblivion]

Don't get me wrong-
I do think the father should have a say
but i'm disagreeing with hyper who said the father should make the final decision whether the mom likes it or not
I think it should be a complete agreement

[theOperaGhost]

OK, I see. I think the decision needs to be made by both of the parents. And if one doesn't want it done, either one of them, it shouldn't get done. I really don't think it should be done in the first place, but that isn't the issue here.

[japanman]

woah never mind thenthats acctually wat i wrote in my journal well not exactly but its almost the same so ya...

[Dante]

what I find it interesting is that a lot of males would say well i would keep the baby and take care of it. TRUST ME! it doesnt always end up that way.

I have seen it first hand where a guy would be like "Im against abortions! its wrong! ill raise the baby" but the MINUTE he finds out his girl is pregnant his tune changes.....to "well we're not ready to have a baby, i need to finish school, im too young" once they are plunged into that situation reality hits them! reality doesnt hit, when ur hypothetically proposing something.

[kolte]

So some guy puts his penis in a girls vagina and all the sudden he feels like he should should have a say about her life? Abortions all around I say.

[Whisper]

what I find it interesting is that a lot of males would say well i would keep the baby and take care of it. TRUST ME! it doesnt always end up that way.

I have seen it first hand where a guy would be like "Im against abortions! its wrong! ill raise the baby" but the MINUTE he finds out his girl is pregnant his tune changes.....to "well we're not ready to have a baby, i need to finish school, im too young" once they are plunged into that situation reality hits them! reality doesnt hit, when ur hypothetically proposing something.

its not something I want to happen, but I wouldn't run from it

I have a fam that would help out
I'd manage
My mum and dad have already told me and Katie that if it ever happens before were ready they'll help out
Katie's in ECE (Early Childhood Education)
just...ya


Ya kolte it is her body I'm not disagreeing with that
She deals for 9months I'd deal for the rest of my life
and I'm not saying she shouldn't have a say
I'm saying I deserve one to


See where I live that wouldn't be an issue though
allot of guys are on the rigs and making killer cash
and allot of the girls are doing one night stands, poking holes in there bf's condoms, flushing the pill, etc...
to get pregnant so they can slap the dude with childcare for like 21yrs

it's so bad the gov is considering classifying it as genetic theft

[theOperaGhost]

Kolte, you make it sound like the girl had no part in the sex. It is her body, but the baby inside her body is half his, so he should have half the say in it.

That's what is happening around here to Kodie. It's terrible that girls are just trying to get pregnant with a rigger(person who works on an oil rig in this area) so they can get a lot of money.

[Mannequin]

its so bs to say that itd usually be males wanting to baby. typically the male does not in an abortion situation. even if he wanted it, he shouldnt be able to stop her. how about he goes through a 9 month labor...pussy. :)

[Whisper]

Oh ya he's suuuuch a pussy that whole anatomy thing and all
thats the most pathetic excuse I've ever herd


Ya Jared I was always a mandaid
I didn't wanna deal with the rigpig bullshit

[Close102]

i think if the women doesnt want it then she should have the choice cuz the guy can just go knock sumone else up

[thesphinx]

Wow... Ok first of all the baby is a HUMAN BEING if you have sex you are responsible for that Human.
As for the dad being a part of the abortion decision I absolutely agree that he should have a say, its his baby too.

[Whisper]

i think if the women doesnt want it then she should have the choice cuz the guy can just go knock sumone else up

I.....I really don't even know where to begin
kids today
honestly

[Hyper]

Don't get me wrong-
I do think the father should have a say
but i'm disagreeing with hyper who said the father should make the final decision whether the mom likes it or not
I think it should be a complete agreement

Yes.. I feel that you are one of those people who need everything to be written out for them very delicately & in a very long way using many many words yet simple ones.

However.. Since that never really works in the long run and since its 2 AM.. Lets just keep it simple for now..

Hyper thinks: That both individuals consent to sex and are responsible equally (no do not jump at me with rape since this is a question regarding future fathers not rapists) responsibility means you are willing to deal with consequences.. If you got pregnant its your responsibility and the persons responsibility who ''made'' you pregnant.

If the woman wanted to get an abortion but the man didn't and would ( in pure factual theory.. ) grow the child on his own.. Who do you think has the right?

Being pregnant is not a bad thing, infact if you actually got children how your supposed to get them, through a very healthy & loving relationship, its a great thing.. Sure giving birth hurts but I think most mothers will tell you that they'd do it again because they love you..

Anyway I'm ranting again.. But since there are some crazy woman rights lunatics in here I'll just put it this way.

''It'' is a human being from the start. ''It'' takes 9 months to develop in the womans belly. ''It'' might be ''uncomfortable'' and going against her ''plans'' but I think taking away a persons right to live is far worse than being uncomfortable infact its one of those things that makes me sick and if you don't understand why I'm not going to reply to you......

Thats all I can say turned into another 2 AMr rant

[kolte]

Who says who the father is? What, are they going to biopsy the fetus to discover the father? Its the womans body, its her growth, its not a baby, its a fetus. Its her choice. Your not going threw labor, your not having your body forever deformed. Its not you who MUST take care of the child.

[Mannequin]

Oh ya he's suuuuch a pussy that whole anatomy thing and all
thats the most pathetic excuse I've ever herd

Ya Jared I was always a mandaid
I didn't wanna deal with the rigpig bullshit

you don't think i wasn't kidding do you? well first off you aren't even considering the possible life of the child. the average american would be on a very tight budget if he (or she) had to raise a child by themselves. it would be ridiculous to force the female to PAY child support for a child that she did not want and wanted to abort. i find that to be quite unfair. going through a 9 month labor stage is a form of torture in my opinion. a female should not have to go through that if she doesnt want the baby and some stupid boy tells her to do that to her body. that would in no way fly if a girl told a man to do that and you and i both know that!! females shoudlnt have to submit to any of a guys shit. the guy shouldnt even want a kid that will have such an ungrateful mother in the first place. your argument poses no logic and is stupid. k, done.