Time

[george]

I just thought of this.

What would happen if we built a time machine, go to the future, and take all the oil from there and bring it to the present. You would think you could do that continuously because time goes one way.Would that affect the future therefore affecting whether or not we take the oil?

So then what would happen if we took oil from the past, would that affect the choice of us taking oil from the past and therefore causing nothing to happen, cause us to totally revolutionize everything earlier, or something completely different?

[Mzor203]

Everything would go wonky and something we have no idea of will happen. Who knows.

[Mannequin]

umm, if we take all the oil from the future we wont have any in the future....

[george]

Yes but when you think about it, you could go 1 second BEFORE that specific time in the future in which we take all the oil and there would still be oil.

[Mannequin]

ahh, i see you have edited your post. how clever. umm, well itd be nice to see something run on ocean water or hydrogen or nitrogen. those are nice thoughts, but we wont be seeing time travel technology to that extent in our lifetimes...

[george]

Well we have hydrogen fuel cell cars and whatnot but we just don't have hydrogen fuel stations anywhere.

[Whisper]

Absolutely not

Traveling to the past as far as we know now is impossible
and time travel to the future is only theoretical (...well to that degree anyway)

and more importantly you DON'T FUCK WITH TIME
Nothing good could ever come from that
B leads to C leads to A

[Zephyr]

I woudln't mess with the past.
We don't want the butterfly effect to take place.
Changing something like that may cause even worse consequences,
Even though it seems like a good idea when you think about it.
Besides, we'd be screwing the middle east out of their only cash cow,
And then there'd be even mre world poverty to take care of.

Heck, if we did your proposed plan, then I wouldn't be here...
My ancestors fled the middle east due to fighting over oil, lol.

[Underground_Network]

Whoever invents a time machine will destroy the world in my opinion... As Cody said, you don't mess with time.. It's something we don't fully understand. I don't think anyone could survive an attempted trip to the future or the past... I don't think a time machine like what you see on TV, in movies, or in novels is even possible.. I have read up on this type of technology, and it's a lot different than most people think... Before they even think of using this technology on humans, they have to use it on something much smaller first [i.e. a microscopic organism] and gradually work their way up, possibly testing a monkey... That alone would take years upon years upon years... And somebody would also have to invent the technology before we could even begin test trials... And that could years ahead in the future.. i.e. even if this was invented, it would need to be tested which could take a helluva long time and by the time it would be "human ready" the oil crisis would probably be over [though it's outcome could be good or bad...]... Plus, we should probably put more money into researching other ways of helping out with the oil crisis, i.e. looking into alternative energy sources, rather than wasting money on theoretical shit like this that even if invented and perfected, could screw up everything as we know it...

[kolte]

How can you travel to what hasn't happened yet? There is no future. And the past is done. Time travel is hard sci-fi.

[Whisper]

How can you travel to what hasn't happened yet? There is no future. And the past is done. Time travel is hard sci-fi.
No it isnt

time is gooey and flexible in space its strongly effected by gravitational forces the stronger the gravity the slower time is the weaker the gravity the faster it is

astronauts orbiting around in earth orbit go by a faster clock than we do because were on the earths surface aka closer to the gravitational force

NASA proved that with EXTREMELY accurate atomic clocks



time travel to get oil is retarded though and so not gonna happen

[Underground_Network]

Time travel is not impossible, but what people have to realize is that we could be using money in much more important areas... I'm not saying researching time travel is a complete waste of time, I'm just saying it could take 100s if not 1000s of years to perfect... Again, first we have to invent something prototypical and presumably we could test it on a microorganism, or even something not living [that of course is microscopical]. Then there would be the question of whether said organism really time traveled or was killed... Then, if that was successful, they would run a test trial on a more complex organism... Then if that didn't work perfectly, they would work out the kinks. Then they would keep testing it until it seemed perfect. They would presumably make some adjustments before testing it on a human, etc. etc... This could 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, even 100+ years in terms of completely perfecting it... And people are forgetting we haven't even invented anything close to what would be need to send a human into the past... There have been several "time machines" invented, but none of them have come close to working..

[Antares]

NO. Think of it this way. If we traveled to 2040 then when we get the oil from there and then at the year 2040 it would simply disappear. Also everything that was affected during the extraction of oil would be weird because it would just screw stuff up. So it would be stupid because it would disappear when we get to that year.

[kolte]

Well we represent two faces of an old double sided coin. I don't trust much of what quantum mechanics has to say about time. Time, to me, is a human creation; an abstract thought. For what is time in the infinity of the universe? Wishful thinking. Even if time weren't simply a concept there would be no machine that could possibly make use of it. Senseless drivel.

[Sugaree]

I like your idea george. But, some dickhole will obviously go back in time and do a drastic thing that will alter the entire historical timeline and possibly change the ways of life itself, maybe even the laws of time.

Also, if we had the technology today, then yes we could. But there will always be that wrong doer.

[Underground_Network]

^^ Again, the technology is NOT impossible, but it's improbable and no one could use it wrongly, because anyone who uses it would be a fool.. We're thousands, possibly millions of years away from even thinking about sending a human into the future or into the past... We just don't have the technology or the knowledge at this point... Make an invention that may delve into the unknown is never a good idea... You guys are thinking of time machines as things you see in the movies or on TV, that's not what a "real" time machine would look like or be like... Be aware, traveling into the past or future is no easy task... Scientists haven't even figured out how to send things so tiny you can't even see them into the past...(Actually, what I think they've tried to send into the past is tiny little molecules, not microorganisms, though I'm too lazy to check that out at the moment.. But if they tried to send a single molecule into the past, and failed, that's a sign they're a LONG way off from sending humans into the past/future)

[george]

Well we represent two faces of an old double sided coin. I don't trust much of what quantum mechanics has to say about time. Time, to me, is a human creation; an abstract thought. For what is time in the infinity of the universe? Wishful thinking. Even if time weren't simply a concept there would be no machine that could possibly make use of it. Senseless drivel.
Thats exactly what time is, our representation of whatever that force is out there.

[Whisper]

Technically time is the decay of atomic particles
its VERY real

[kolte]

it represents nothing. It is simply ink on paper. Or type on a screen. Time is not real. It is an abstract concept. There is no layer or dimension of "time". When scientists speak of it, they have nothing but there mathematics to view it, and that is not enough to claim it is there. It is the same as this erratic wormhole or black hole bending of space time yada yada. Senseless drivel.

Decaying atomic particles . . . The universe is 3d. Time is not the fourth dimension. This is an old argument. Neither will sway the other. Wishful thinking if you ask me.

[Whisper]

...........Kolte do you hear what your saying

and i'm not asking you
I'm telling you what time technically is
as proven by the scientific community

[kolte]

How can you prove what is theory? They have proved nothing, riddled with paradoxes, and with todays research tools it is an impossible leap to produce hard evidence of anything. How you can pretend what you say is true when nobody has seen or proved anything. Its all guesses.

[Whisper]

Because it HAS been proven


ONE example alone
they took two atomic clocks
one stayed here on earth
the other went into orbit with a group of astrounats
and then came back down
when they left the clocks were at EXACTLY the same time
when the space faring one came back it was ahead of the one that stayed behind

why? because the mass and density of our planet warps spacetime
the closer you are to that source aka surface the slower time runs


Thats one test out of thousands
its not just a "theory"

[Atonement]

Well in theory to me, if you take oil from the future, which is fossils mainly, then when you take it back, wouldn't it change backwards into fossils again?

[kolte]

Yes but its not as though the astronauts aged faster in space. Its not like it changes anything physically.

[0=]

They do age faster, actually. Just so slight it doesn't really matter.

[Whisper]

They do age faster, actually. Just so slight it doesn't really matter.

exactly

[george]

Well I personally don't know where I stand on what you guys were debating about but I'd just like to say something that goes with what Kolte was saying. We see things because thats what our brain shows us. An alien's mind could see the earth as a square and a cow as some little squiggles. It's just what our brains think it is. Time is whatever our brains register it to be. I'm not saying that Codie or Kolte are wrong or right, just stating something. :)

And if you think that the above statement is untrue then well........oh well.

[Underground_Network]

Is this turning into a philosophical debate? Anyways... For all we know everything is only as real as we make it out to be, when you move your hand, are you really moving your hand? What makes a hand a hand? What makes your hand move? Your brain of course, but what makes your brain function in the way it does? Why do you have a brain? Better yet, why do you need a brain? And then again what makes time time? What is time? How does time do what it does? Why do we need time? What does time have to do with anything? WHY DOES TIME MATTER? I think we just have to realize traveling to the future or the past, regardless of it being possible or not, is just ridiculous... Who really cares, just live life the way it is, improve it with technology if you want to, but we don't need to mess with time, whatever time is...

And also, though a lot of questions we ask can be answered factually, what makes a fact a fact? Yes, it's backed up by "truth". But anything can be true if you really want it to be. If you think you're a superhero then you're a superhero in your mind, thus it is true to you thus it is the "truth". In my eyes there is no such thing as truth, everything is false. There is no way to prove anything, everything just is.

[Camazotz]

Time travel is not possible. Lots of people want it to be true, various "tests" said time travel is possible, but the fact is if it were, we couldnt realize it because time would already be alternated.

[Sugaree]

Technically time is the decay of atomic particles
its VERY real

Right so if we go into the future are we already destroying the particles when we enter into the future?

[Whisper]

Right so if we go into the future are we already destroying the particles when we enter into the future?
You mean would you suddenly age if you went into the future?
no

[*Dissident*]

Time travel will never be realized. You know how I know this? No one from the future has made contact with the present. If time travel is ever realized, there would be thousands of tourists from the future fucking up our past, from all different eras. But there isn't.

[Whisper]

Time travel will never be realized. You know how I know this? No one from the future has made contact with the present. If time travel is ever realized, there would be thousands of tourists from the future fucking up our past, from all different eras. But there isn't.

First of all according to Einstein travel into the PAST isn't possible only the future
second of all even if it was
and in the future were capable of traveling into the past theres no way in hell they would EVER make contact and contaminate the time line causing immense and unrepairable damage to there time (future)

If anyone watches shit like star trek this would be like the "temporal prime directive"

I don't like the idea of time travel or time viewing

you look into the future see theres a massive plague
what do you do? you put all the infected together rate of mutation increases and a plague forms

You see world war three, so you launch a preumptive strike to try and stop it when in actuality you just started WW3

A leads to B leads to C leads to A

[*Dissident*]

that was from that movie...payday or something?

[The Batman]

Time travel will never be realized. You know how I know this? No one from the future has made contact with the present. If time travel is ever realized, there would be thousands of tourists from the future fucking up our past, from all different eras. But there isn't.
But how would you know that they are from the future what if the future is so advanced that they can figure out an exact moment in place where they could come without messing up the time line to much or what if after someone visits from the future they just undo it so that it doesn't have any affect. Either way I don't think that we would ever time travel because of the unknown dangers.

[Underground_Network]

"Time is a wheel in constant motion always moving us along..."

And time shouldn't be messed with. You don't want to screw with something like time. Nothing good can come out of it. People just have to realize that the logicality of time travel is just non-existent.. It may be possible, but it's pointless, time is everything in a sense, time is one of the few things that is constantly moving, never stopping, going forward or backwards would warp that movement, and again, nothing good can come out of that...

[Uhh.Huhh RAN_DOM]

as kolte said time is made up by man as by mainland china's choice they all run on one clcok when they have elven time zones and no you don't mess with time it could create something us humans do not need but who knows maybe the goverment hides this from us maybe they can travel back in time and assinante a president or something and since it happend in the past thats what we are used too only whoever did it would know the real truth... but if we did go back in time would that mean the world could never be born or the world would never end for that one person as the the astronmers say when we look into the sky we're looking into the past which i think is irrevent how do know maybe we might even be looking into the future???

[0=]

You can't kill someone in the past because then you wouldn't have known to go back and kill them. We know we're looking into the past when we see distant starlight because light travels at a finite speed and can take many years to reach Earth and be observed,