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Attax
May 24th, 2008, 08:00 PM
I have a major question: What is it that defines boys and girls?

To start out simple let me define what I mean by defines:

1. NOT physical traits such as male parts and girl parts
2. NOT body build or anything
3. I am just trying to ask what makes us fit the common stereotypes and why do we feel that this is natural?

An example:

In most relationships the guys are the tough ones who stick up for the girls and such, but why is this? Why has society put this trait upon males? I know we have testosterone which makes us act like this, but not everyone does, not every guy is the "Alpha Male."

And why are girls always so sweet and caring, why do they always feel like guys should tend to there every needs? Society has yet again placed limitations upon the extrensic beings limiting us from being different or else we are viewed as outcasts, and made fun of.

But why does this rub off into our relationships?

In most relationships you will see guys tending to every need of the girl and the girl being so sweet and flirtatious and the guy has to be all big and brawn. In fact this is true, in essence, of about 98.72% of all relationships.

But I have the question of why?

Is this just basic societal views of what is accepted/declined? And if so how did this come about?

And for those of you who may say "Oh well it is just nature" please do not because I have yet another point to make:
In my case for example: My girlfriend and I have this symbiotic relationship flipped. She is the tough girl and I am the soft guy. Yet society views this as odd and different. Why? Why is this not accepted in society?

This is just something that has been thriving in my mind and I wanted to get your opinion on this.

Willie Wonka
May 28th, 2008, 04:43 PM
Im the same way as you.. The girl in the relationship is more thte touogh.. as I am, soft guy.. I thinnk it is really stupid, because everyone expects thhe male to protect the female. Girls can handle it too, they mke it look like the female is weak. And in my case, i have Tae Kwon Do twice week at my school. Im ALWAYS called soft by the teacher.. I was never the body buuilder, never the guy who HAD to work out every day... Never.. The teacher acts like if I got into fight I would lose.. Kinda angers me some times. Almsot feels like he wants for than I can deliver..


Society has placed these things on Male and Females... And in alot of cases isnt, eaither fair, or can cause feelings to be hurt... These things shouldnt be veiwed as odd..

Serenity
May 28th, 2008, 05:54 PM
R&D :arrow: ROTW

MoveAlong
May 28th, 2008, 06:15 PM
1. Society accepts what is common because society is a bitch ho who knows nothing and society is not a credible resource because the world is so diverse with individuals.

2. The behaviors of men vs. women may be derived from previous forms of evolution. The reason that different genders were made may be to make use of sexual reproduction.

Sexual reproduction can be more efficient and beneficial to a species than asexual reproduction because it involves sex cells, which have to go through meiosis, so genes can be crossed before being used in sexual reproduction, giving a genetic variation to the offspring so that they may have a better immunity to a certain illness if most of the race may be susceptible to the illness.
Nature must have made male and female seperate for this purpose, and serve another purpose of arranging priorities: the males hunt, thus they are more agressive to provide, and the females are the care givers, because they birth and raise the offspring.
So males must have more muscle, protect the family, and go hunt, then come back to be cared for by the females, while females must care for the family.
The males compete for a female to determine which is fittest to protect and provide for a family.

This is a pretty efficient arrangement. Though, some animals don't follow this suit. But we're only talking about humans.

3. Because we are human, we have our own individual and intellectual minds, so we stray from this behavior sometimes. We have come up with individuality, to think for ourselves and not base decisions on instinct and we develop opinions. Opinions form habits. Then, habits are passed down from the family, and both that and society effects how a person's personality will turn out. A mix of your surroundings must have made you who you are today, being a soft guy. And her surroundings made her a tough girl.

4. Now also, society and community can effect how people act in different regions, creating culture. New ideas that have been produced by individuals don't travel easily to other regions, and stay in one place to effect culture, resulting in different cultures throughout the world. Your relationship may seem taboo in one culture, but fine in another culture. And some people don't confine to "culture" and don't care about your relationships.

5. I think that it's rediculous that people would see your relationship as odd or weird. It takes all kinds in this world! :D

Those are just my thoughts.

serial-thrilla
May 28th, 2008, 09:22 PM
the reason society sees you as different is because that isent normal. Society goes by whats regular, and whats regular is guys being bigger and tougher then girls. Its the same reason why homosexuality will never be fully accepted by society.

Mannequin
May 29th, 2008, 12:09 AM
cuz jesus made adam and eve and adam gave the sperm to eve to have kids and brought home the liger so eve could cook it for cane and abel. :)

thats it in a blonde bombshell.

japanman
June 12th, 2008, 02:24 PM
Because we are us we are different then any animal every one of us is difforent but for some reson society is a bitch society is not acceptable wel guess wat we are animals so we dont belong in society so why live in society


Jacob has officaly confused himself.

kolte
June 17th, 2008, 08:53 PM
The humans social behaviors stem from the hundreds of thousands of years we spent as hunter gatherers before and just after the ice age. Men and Women have instinctual underlying behaviors necessary to raise young and obtain food in a pre pastoral society. Woman are empathetic, patient, submissive and nurturing because they rear the children, just as in the majority of mammals. Men are aggressive, territorial, dominant and unemotional because this is necessary for hunting and fighting off other males and intruders. Then you have societies twists and turns on an already instinctual behavior in humans.

MoveAlong
June 17th, 2008, 10:31 PM
The humans social behaviors stem from the hundreds of thousands of years we spent as hunter gatherers before and just after the ice age. Men and Women have instinctual underlying behaviors necessary to raise young and obtain food in a pre pastoral society. Woman are empathetic, patient, submissive and nurturing because they rear the children, just as in the majority of mammals. Men are aggressive, territorial, dominant and unemotional because this is necessary for hunting and fighting off other males and intruders. Then you have societies twists and turns on an already instinctual behavior in humans.

yeah I agree, I was also trying to say that :P

MattHutzell
June 26th, 2008, 06:09 PM
I think it also has something to do with how most women, NOT all, but most LIKE to be pampered. That's just my guess from what I have seen and stuff. Being gay I never had a GF so i wouldn't know XD But most girls like the guy standing up for them.

emecrazy
July 8th, 2008, 10:01 PM
ooh we just all got it stuck in our heads that its supposed to be that way
its stupid... i always got made fun of cause i was never willing to fight someone.... even though i am pretty tough and i was the "soft" guy nice n sweet
its stupid

Rutherford The Brave
July 8th, 2008, 10:33 PM
Girls, are born and have a motherly way. The tend to get things done, and are a bit sensitive to things. They are very gentle, they often dont want to hurt things unless they are angru. They are better with words and are generally better at problem solving.

Guys, are born basically as overseerers. Generally they like things to go "their way." Often missing logic they are typically fighters not talkers. Protecting women is their nature, they feel that a girl can't protect herself. Generally better at hand on jobs, often times are very out spoken, but generally do without thinking.

Whisper
July 8th, 2008, 10:59 PM
Girls, are born and have a motherly way. The tend to get things done, and are a bit sensitive to things. They are very gentle, they often dont want to hurt things unless they are angru. They are better with words and are generally better at problem solving.

Guys, are born basically as overseerers. Generally they like things to go "their way." Often missing logic they are typically fighters not talkers. Protecting women is their nature, they feel that a girl can't protect herself. Generally better at hand on jobs, often times are very out spoken, but generally do without thinking.

reallllly
Is that so?
Have you done any real studies on the subject?
Have you payed any paticular attention to the nature vs nurture debate?
I personally would LOVE to see just what per say are you basing your opinion on?

Zephyr
July 8th, 2008, 11:00 PM
I just take it literally.

X chromosome + Y chromosome = Boy
X chromosome + X chromosome = Girl

BUT if somebody is a transvestite or a crossdresser then I just call them whichever sex they prefer to be referenced as.

0=
July 9th, 2008, 02:41 AM
The difference depends on your society. We're not born all that different. I treat my male and female friends the same way generally.

Close102
July 9th, 2008, 02:08 PM
ill try to be scientific with this. first, before we had all this medicine and stuff to make us live longer what was the real point of our lives? the answer is to reproduce. we know this because of other animals. so in order to reproduce we need to do what we can to atract the other sex. just like how birds sing songs and rams fight each other. so being tough in a relationship is one of the things that girls like and guys like sympethatic and caring girls.

serial-thrilla
July 9th, 2008, 03:56 PM
its all about attraction. I dont find manly/aggressive women attractive and i think alot of other guys will agree with me. I would rather have a passive, sympathetic, and sweet female partner. And im sure that most girls like their man to be "the man" of the relationship because thats just the way it usually is.

Rutherford The Brave
July 9th, 2008, 04:44 PM
reallllly
Is that so?
Have you done any real studies on the subject?
Have you payed any paticular attention to the nature vs nurture debate?
I personally would LOVE to see just what per say are you basing your opinion on?

Please dont bash me based on my opinion, You see because I'm entitled to it. I based my information on what I feel, sorry if I dont fit protocols.

Whisper
July 9th, 2008, 05:08 PM
No I'm just curious as to what you based your opinion on exactly
you seem to despise all men I've noticed it on the site
unless I'm wrong and I've interpreted the above post and previous ones wrong
in which case i apologize

Rutherford The Brave
July 9th, 2008, 05:57 PM
Its not that I despise all men its rather that I hate stereotypical guys of our days. I was raised in a wierd way, women were like goddesses to me.

Underground_Network
July 9th, 2008, 06:02 PM
I don't know why they are seen so differently. Seems males have always seen females as inferior beings and many females have accepted the role. I think our perception of what male and female are is simply based on ages of change of both genders. I wish I could go back thousands of years and see what truly defined "man" and "woman", because what we have today are not the original "man" and the original "woman"... We've been influenced too much by too many different things/people... What truly makes a female a female and what truly makes a male a male I am not sure of, because though we say most females act in a certain way while most males act in a certain different way, we must note the key word there, most.