God against Gay's

[robbiehay1]

What is your thoughts on this.

The Bible says God hates gays
but i dont think he does

[redcar]

The Bible doesn't say it in such a direct manner, however people do interpret it like that.

Personally I disagree, however that is just my opinion.

[Sugaree]

I agree with Alex. If you give me the verse in the Bible where it says that then that will be proof.

But as far as saying He's against them, He's not

[Electric Cheese]

I cant find a single reference where it says God hates gays

plus God made us in his own image, so in theory he made gays in his own image too. Plus, it also says that God loves everyone equally (or something along those lines)

Plus, Axellances sig said something like this a while back, "if God hates gays, why did he make them"

[robbiehay1]

it does say it just not so directly, when i find it again ill post it

[Electric Cheese]

it's sort of catch 22. God supposidly hates Gays, yet loves us all equally.

and if God hated gays, there wouldn't be a gay Reverend in London getting married to his partner last week.

[Techno Monster]

Ok let`s get this straight... IF GOD DISLIKES GAYS HE WOULDEN`T HAVE CREATED THEM!!! I am so sick of people putting diffrent people down.

[robbiehay1]

i know i hate it when people say it

this is a link to a thread on myspace i made a while back its got all the quotes in it
http://forums.myspace.com/t/3524357.aspx?fuseaction=forums.viewthread

[[[chickaroo92]]]

God doesn't hate gays.
As some people already mentioned before, if God hated Gay people, then why would he create them??
Besides, where exactly in the Bible does it say that?

[The Batman]

I read that myspace post and the verse he uses 1 Corinthians 6:9 uses the word effeminate which refers to a man who does feminine acts not a homosexual.

[ktkurbst0mp]

God says a man should not lay with a man as he would a woman.
As in, you shouldn't be gay.
Basically, It's a sin to be gay.


But it's a sin to lie.

God cannot look upon sin without the blood of jesus.
Whether you're gay, you lie, commit adultery, whatever. Anything you do wrong, you're sinning in Gods eyes.

So God doesn't hate gays any more than he hates sin.
But if you accept Jesus Christ as your saviour, you'll be fine. =)

[[[chickaroo92]]]

God says a man should not lay with a man as he would a woman.
As in, you shouldn't be gay.
Basically, It's a sin to be gay.



So God doesn't hate gays any more than he hates sin.
But if you accept Jesus Christ as your saviour, you'll be fine. =)

My dad is a Rabbi, I'll ask him what exactly that concept can mean.. I mean, maybe there is a different meaning to it? Is that concept found both in the new, as well as the old testament?

What about those who don't accept Jesus as their saviour? And what does this have to do with anything...???

[theOperaGhost]

In Leviticus 18:22 it says, "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." It doesn't say that God hates gays, but it does make it sound like a sin.

Sorry if that offends anyone, but it's in the Bible. Look it up if you don't believe me.

BTW, I have nothing against gay people.

[myskias]

you know, if the bible wants to single out a whole type of people screw it (sorry if i offended any religious people) but seriously, some stupid book cant make people stop doing something they love and want to do. If you guys wanna be gay, then be gay, the bible shouldnt control your lives!

[Andrew56]

God says a man should not lay with a man as he would a woman.
As in, you shouldn't be gay.
Basically, It's a sin to be gay.


But it's a sin to lie.

God cannot look upon sin without the blood of jesus.
Whether you're gay, you lie, commit adultery, whatever. Anything you do wrong, you're sinning in Gods eyes.

So God doesn't hate gays any more than he hates sin.
But if you accept Jesus Christ as your saviour, you'll be fine. =)

Right on.

The only thing is, Jesus doesn't hate anyone. He can't - He is Love. He hates sin, because sin keeps you from him. He loves everyone.

Did God make murderers? He made as many thieves and murderers as He did gays. He makes people, they mess their own lives up.

We are to love everyone just like Christ, so I have no problem with gays. It's just God doesn't approve of it.

[Underground_Network]

^^ I'm not a statistics expert, but I at least hope there are more gays out there than murderers. Anyways... I'm not religious at all, but I think that A) everybody sins and B) if God is real and did create us, then he must love us all equally... I also think that IF God is real, that each person is born with a temptation to sin, it's whether or not they give in to that temptation that determines whether they end up being a murderer/thief/criminal or a kind person who leads a good life. That's not to say that God tempts certain people by allowing them to choose to be gay which he would consider being a sin, but to say that God gives you a chance to follow whatever path you choose, and he won't hate you for it, but if you choose a bad path, you could be "punished" in the afterlife for it... Btw, I don't really have a clue what I'm talking about. :yes:

[Oblivion]

I believe that if god really exists, and if god is really all wise and mighty, then he would be able to see that people have to live their own lives, and they have to be happy. Also, i believe if there is a god, and there is heaven, then he will 'let me in' or w.e i dont know about religion lol, because he could see how impossible it is to believe in... A book stating some giant magical man created the earth and created humans? In my book thats like saying i ride a dragon to school every day, and the reason i know it exists is because i read about it in my book

[[[chickaroo92]]]

you know, if the bible wants to single out a whole type of people screw it (sorry if i offended any religious people) but seriously, some stupid book cant make people stop doing something they love and want to do. If you guys wanna be gay, then be gay, the bible shouldnt control your lives!
The bible isn't stupid.
It's the way of life...for those who follow it anyway.

I honestly don't think being Gay is a sin, even though I am religious.
If you love a person...then you shouldn't be judged on your sexual preference.
Gosh.

[Serenity]

Alright, here's my argument from an objective POV:

In Leviticus 18:22 it says, "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." It doesn't say that God hates gays, but it does make it sound like a sin.

Exactly. It's portrayed as a sin. God doesn't hate Gays. As Andrew said, He doesn't hate anyone- he loves us all equally. Part of that love is the fact that he gave us free will and thus it is our choice what we do. Almost everyone feels sexually attracted to someone, gay or straight, at some point in their lives, but just because you feel attracted to someone doesn't give you the right in His eyes to go around having sex all the time. Aka below.

I also think that IF God is real, that each person is born with a temptation to sin, it's whether or not they give in to that temptation that determines whether they end up being a murderer/thief/criminal or a kind person who leads a good life. That's not to say that God tempts certain people by allowing them to choose to be gay which he would consider being a sin, but to say that God gives you a chance to follow whatever path you choose, and he won't hate you for it, but if you choose a bad path, you could be "punished" in the afterlife for it...


HOWEVER. Here's my little personal vendetta against the whole God hates homosexuality thing, and the reason I've been questioning at least my demonination of Christianity if not my religion altogether: that now famous verse is in the Old Testament. There are two testaments, the old and the new. The REASON for the New Testament is because with the birth of Jesus came grace and new rules, aka it nullified the Old Testament. If we lived by the Old Testament, we would be required to STONE WOMEN TO DEATH for cheating on their husbands. So my issue here is that Christians are PICKING AND CHOOSING what they want to listen to in the Bible and I'm like...w.t.f.

I believe in the New Testament, and to my knowledge the New Testament says nothing whatsoever about homosexuality. Therefore, I have absolutely no problem with homosexuality and believe that God will accept all of His followers equally.

[Gumleaf]

ok, i'm not going to debate, but i'll add my opinion for what its worth. God created us all to have a relationship with him primarily and to have a deep and meaningful relationship with someone of the opposite sex. i di believe in God's eyes that homosexuality is a sin, and that it upsets him when he see's the people he created in homosexual relationships. in saying that though, he loves us all equally and accepts us all.

[ktkurbst0mp]

Here's the thing, I have no problem with people who are gay.
I don't look at them any differently.


Everyone goes to hell without accepting Jesus, according to the bible.
So it's not just gays that I am picking out, if that's what it came off as.

[Atonement]

Because I don't feel like making this whole ordeal out of it, I am going to only make one statement.

God does not hate anyone. God does not hate gays. God doesn't like the act of homosexual sex. That is it. Living with the same sex, its fine.Marrying, as far as I am concerned, it fine. If anyone wants me to be more specific and deliberate, please pm me.

P.S. For anyone that may think that everyone that is gay goes to hell, you are so far off the right course. It is not that way. Going to heaven or hell is determined by your willingness to accept Lord Jesus Christ as your savior and all he is worth. Even if you are gay, you can go to heaven.

[The Batman]

How can a 2 men lay with each other the same way a man and a woman can? That is the main thing that keeps me from believing the bible is against gay people. God loves us no matter what especially if it is something we can't change.

[ktkurbst0mp]

And to Serenity, about the new testiment :

Romans 1:26-27: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

[The Batman]

Is this king james version because I don't trust the new translation.

[Atonement]

How can a 2 men lay with each other the same way a man and a woman can? That is the main thing that keeps me from believing the bible is against gay people. God loves us no matter what especially if it is something we can't change.

It is simply saying "lay" being sex really.

[Whisper]

In Leviticus 18:22 it says, "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." It doesn't say that God hates gays, but it does make it sound like a sin.

Thats because its not ment to be one
In the ancient world espically Rome
It was believed at the time that wither you were gay or straight was a simple choice
right or left, apple or orange
They didn't understand it
You also have to understand back then society's outlook on sex was FAR more liberal

The bible was a simple guide created to try and get everyone to play nice
for if they didn't then they'd experience horrible pain until the end of days
It's not like they had INTERPOL back then
It was a way to try and protect the weak from the strong


If and I must REALLY stress the IF God exists
Then according to the bible and every single priest I've ever talked to
He loves ALL his children as they are, as HE made them

Theres nothing wrong with being gay
theres just a few high up in the church and the political world that dislike it

[darklight]

he accepts all sins but he still finds it very wrong.

[ktkurbst0mp]

Yeah it is King james.

[serial-thrilla]

i personally believe that all organized religion is ridiculous, i believe in a god or creator that doesent punish, doesent reward, just is. everyone should make their own choices.

[robbiehay1]

i personally believe that all organized religion is ridiculous, i believe in a god or creator that doesent punish, doesent reward, just is. everyone should make their own choices.

That is very close to what i believe

the bible may mention and suggest that homosexuality is wrong, but the bible is mostly about love and no matter what love is the most important thing in the world.
Those people who call themselfs true christians or what ever religion and say that being gay is wrong and against God are full of BS and are not true belevers

sorry this kinda turned into a rant and sorry if offended anyone its just what i beleive

[Camazotz]

In my Bible, Good News, Leviticus 18:22 says "No man is to have sexual relations with another man; God hates that."...so. I dont believe He actually hates gays though, otherwise He wouldnt have created man to be homosexual.

[GRB123]

I am not a christan jew muslum or any religion that branches from them. I an a pagan. The great spirits gave pleasure to humans and the way the humans experiance the pleasure wether with man or woman is their own choice nothing wrong.

[kolte]

Yes God hates gays. They will be broiled alive in a lake of lava. This is the book some believe in, and it turns my stomach. The God of the bible is a disturbingly evil God. I'm glad I'm an anti-theist. Praise Carbon.

[Attax]

The people who say that that is in the bible quote verses from the old testament, not the new testament which is where Jesus was. And Jesus taught acceptance and tolerance, so these people need to grow up and tolerate and accept people for who they are, Jesus would have, WWJD? lol :P

[Andrew56]

God hates no one.

I believe there are Christian gays, as there are Christian (insert sin of choice).

That doesn't make it ok, it's still a sin.

And lets take two people:

An unsaved, straight liar.

An unsaved, gay honest person.

God doesn't see one as dirtier then the other. They are both sinners that need His forgiveness.

[Dante]

its interesting that Leviticus is mentioned...Leviticus a book in the bible.....the bible a book written not by God but by man.

The Bible was written by man...that's all i have to say.

[robbiehay1]

its interesting that Leviticus is mentioned...Leviticus a book in the bible.....the bible a book written not by God but by man.

The Bible was written by man...that's all i have to say.

I am pretty thankful there are people out there who share my veiws :)

[The Batman]

It's also interesting how people have yet to put a direct quote that lists homosexuality as a sin. These are only interpretations of vague scriptures.

[Andrew56]

Leviticus 18:22 says "No man is to have sexual relations with another man; God hates that."

How much clearer does it get then that?

And 2 Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed"

[The Batman]

Overview of Leviticus 18:22

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." 8
This is a passage from the Mosaic Code that is often used to condemn homosexual behavior in general. In transliterated Hebrew, the verse is written: "V’et zachar lo tishkav mishk’vey eeshah toeyvah hee."

The first part of this verse is literally translated as "And with a male you shall not lay lyings of a woman" Many, probably most, theologians, Bible translations and biblical commentators agree that the verse is directed at men who engage in at least some form of anal sex with other men. But they do not agree on the full scope of the forbidden activities. For example:
The Living Bible greatly widens the scope of the original Hebrew to include all homosexual acts by both men and women. They confuse the matter further by not differentiating between homosexual orientation and homosexual behavior. They render the first part of this verse as: "Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden."
On the other hand, many religious liberals have interpreted the beginning of this verse as referring only to sexual activities between two males during a Pagan temple ritual. If there were a liberal translation of the Bible, it might say "Ritual anal sex between two men in a Pagan temple is forbidden."
The second part of this verse explains what type of sin this transgression falls under. There are two types of sin in the Mosaic Code (http://www.religioustolerance.org/sinhebrs.htm):

Moral sin is produced by rebellion against God. This seems to be the interpretation of most biblical translations imply when they translate the Hebrew "toeyvah" into English words such as "abomination," "enormous sin," or "detestable."
Ceremonial uncleanliness is caused by contact with a forbidden object or by engaging in a behavior which might be quite acceptable to non-Hebrews, but which was forbidden to the Children of Israel. Eating birds of prey, eating shellfish, cross breeding livestock, picking up sticks on a Saturday, planting a mixture of seeds in a field, and wearing clothing that is a blend of two textiles are examples of acts of ritual impurity which made a Child of Isreal unclean. These were not necessarily minor sins; some called for the death penalty.

The verse is, unfortunately, incomplete. Its precise meaning is unclear. The phrase "lay lyings" has no obvious interpretation. Attempts have been made to make sense out of the original Hebrew by inserting a short phrase into the verse. For example:


The Net Bible® translation 1 inserts two words to produce "And with a male you shall not lay [as the] lyings of a woman." A man must not have sexual intercourse with another man as he would normally have with a woman. i.e. anal intercourse between two men is not permitted. From this literal, word for word translation, they produce a smoother English version: "You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman."
An alternative translation would insert a different pair of words to produce: "And with a male you shall not lay [in the] lyings of a woman." That is, two men must not engage in sexual behavior on a woman's bed. Presumably, they must go elsewhere to have sex; a woman's bed was sacred and was to be reserved for heterosexual sex.

Which is the correct translation?

Obviously, it is important for a student of the Bible to resolve exactly what behavior is forbidden: is it:

All homosexual behavior, by either men or women, or
All sexual behavior between two men, or
Only anal sex between two men, or
Only anal sex in a Pagan temple ritual, or
Sexual activity between two men in a woman's bed? Unfortunately, there is no consensus on the meaning of this verse. Many people tend to select that interpretation that most closely reinforces their initial beliefs about the Bible and homosexual behavior.
English translations of this verse:

These are not a great deal of help. Bible publishers are under strong economic pressures to turn a profit. If a translation of Leviticus 18:22 were included that did not generally condemn at least male homosexual behavior, their sales would drop precipitously. They are unlikely to deviate from traditional interpretations, unless they were preparing a translation specifically for Christian and Jewish liberals.
Some translations are:

ESV: (English Standard Version): "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is abomination."
KJV: (King James Version): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination".
LB: (Living Bible): "Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden, for it is an enormous sin"
Net Bible: "You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act." 1
NIV: (New International Version) "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
NLT: (New Living Translation): "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin.
RSV: (Revised Standard Version): "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination . The LB and NLT translations use the term "homosexuality" That is unusually deceptive for three reasons:

The passage in the ancient Hebrew is clearly talking about male-male sex acts. By using the word "homosexuality," the English translation appears to condemn lesbian activity as well. The latter behavior is definitely not mentioned in the original Hebrew text of this passage. In fact, lesbian behavior is not mentioned anywhere in the Hebrew Scriptures.
The term "homosexuality" has two distinct meanings in English. Sometimes it refers to sexual behavior (what some people do). Sometimes it relates to sexual orientation (what some people are). One reader might conclude from an English translation that homosexual orientation is criticized in the Bible; others might assume that homosexual behavior is criticized.
The word "homosexual" was first used in the very late in 19th century CE (http://www.religioustolerance.org/ce.htm). There was no Hebrew word that meant "homosexual." Thus, whenever the word is seen in an English translation of the Bible, one should be wary that the translators might be inserting their own prejudices into the text.
Taken from http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh.htm