I Pledge Allegiance...

[nwshc]

Ok, this is unfucking believeable:

Judge: School Pledge Is Unconstitutional

By DAVID KRAVETS

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - A federal judge declared the reciting of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools unconstitutional Wednesday in a case brought by the same atheist whose previous battle against the words ``under God'' was rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court on procedural grounds.

U.S. District Judge Lawrence Karlton ruled that the pledge's reference to one nation ``under God'' violates school children's right to be ``free from a coercive requirement to affirm God.''

Karlton said he was bound by precedent of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which in 2002 ruled in favor of Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow that the pledge is unconstitutional when recited in public schools.

The Supreme Court dismissed the case last year, saying Newdow lacked standing because he did not have custody of his elementary school daughter he sued on behalf of.

Newdow, an attorney and a medical doctor, filed an identical case on behalf of three unnamed parents and their children. Karlton said those families have the right to sue.


Karlton, ruling in Sacramento, said he would sign a restraining order preventing the recitation of the pledge at the Elk Grove Unified, Rio Linda and Elverta Joint Elementary school districts in Sacramento County, where the plaintiffs' children attend.


The order would not extend beyond those districts unless it is affirmed by a higher court, in which case it would apply to nine western states.


The decision sets up another showdown over the pledge in schools, at a time when the makeup of the Supreme Court is in flux.


Wednesday's ruling comes as Supreme Court nominee John Roberts faces day three of his confirmation hearings before the Senate Judiciary Committee. He would succeed the late William H. Rehnquist as chief justice.


In July, Sandra Day O'Connor announced her plans to retire when a successor is confirmed.


The Becket Fund, a religious rights group that is a party to the case, said it would immediately appeal the case to the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. If the court does not change its precedent, the group would go to the Supreme Court.


``It's a way to get this issue to the Supreme Court for a final decision to be made,'' said fund attorney Jared Leland.


The decisions by Karlton and the 9th Circuit conflict with an August opinion by the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Va. That court upheld a Virginia law requiring public schools lead daily Pledge of Allegiance recitation, which is similar to the requirement in California.


A three-judge panel of that circuit ruled that the pledge is a patriotic exercise, not a religious affirmation similar to a prayer.


``Undoubtedly, the pledge contains a religious phrase, and it is demeaning to persons of any faith to assert that the words `under God' contain no religious significance,'' Judge Karen Williams wrote for the 4th Circuit. ``The inclusion of those two words, however, does not alter the nature of the pledge as a patriotic activity.''


Newdow, reached at his home, was not immediately prepared to comment.


Karlton, appointed to the Sacramento bench in 1979 by President Carter, wrote that the case concerned ``the ongoing struggle as to the role of religion in the civil life of this nation'' and added that his opinion ``will satisfy no one involved in that debate.''


Karlton dismissed claims that the 1954 Congressional legislation inserting the words ``under God'' was unconstitutional. If his ruling stands, he reasoned that the school children and their parents in the case would not be harmed by the phrase because they would no longer have to recite it at school.


Terence Cassidy, a lawyer representing the school districts, said he was reviewing the opinion and was not immediately prepared to comment.
Ok, this is rediculous. Under God does NOT support any one religion at all.

EDIT: if this is better suited to debate, move it there.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

and people who are atheist dont have to say it. 2 atheist parents are trying to rob the beliefs out of millions of children, its total bullshit i hope god strikes down upon them

[Jazbo]

I really could care less, because I don't pledge my alleginance to this country at all. I am not very nationalistic and refuse to do the pledge at school so bah. Let them leave it in, let them take it out... doesn't much matter.

[nwshc]

You don't even stand and show some respect to your country?

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

what a douche. its people like jazbo that allow terrorists to win

[nwshc]

terrorist... lol

[Jazbo]

what a douche. its people like jazbo that allow terrorists to winHA! Wow, I was waiting for that. I am not even getting into this argument, its not that I hate America, its that I'm embarrassed by it. I was just giving an opinion, and it was an impartial opinion at that, but ok, sure, why not.

And at this point it should *now* be put into the debate section.

You don't even stand and show some respect to your country?No, I stand, but I think its empty words anyway. I don't put my hand over my chest or anything though.

You people make me come off as the bad guy, which I suppose I am to you two. But I would really not want to live anywhere else then here. This country is the best there is and do I have to be nationalistic to respect that? No. So I have to say words I don't believe in? No. Its called the 'Freedom of Speech' aka freedom to express one's thoughts, which is what makes this country so great. However as I stated, I get embarrassed when we turn out to be the asses in the joke, I get embarrassed when we kill innocent people, I get embarrassed, when our president won't even properly aid people in need! So me 'letting the terrorists win' or 'not showing respect for my own country' are terrible arguments and just cheap shots at me. Please, keep your opinions, I don't care, but what my statement was, was that I could care less what they do with the pledge, why? Because I choose to be non-partisan.

Respect can be shown in many ways, it doesn't have to forced however because somebody came up with one specific way. And thats it for me, I came back here after like 2 years to to just put in opinions and give some advice, but its just turning into another nightmare of cheap shots and insults. I hate political debates, I've come to THAT conclusion so I digress. I shall leave you two. ::sigh:: Ah well, whatchya gonna do...

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

YA, and OTHER PEOPLE can express their freedom of speech by honoring their nation at school everyday, and u can express your freedom of not speaking by being a douche. theres no problem and the state should not be sued

[Dante]

yea matt and nick u dont have the attacl the guy because he doesnt agree with you.

But as for the pledge thing, I think it is so stupid. It has been like that for God knows how long, and he wants to remove it...Then you might as well take off "In God we Trust" in our US currency

[nwshc]

Dante, move this to debate please.

[Dante]

damn, Im trying and its givin me this invalid-session crap like it usually does....Ill try again in a few

[nwshc]

ok...

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya i hate fucking radicals who think the answer to their bitching is to sue the state and make everyone else unhappy

[kolte]

Did you know that originally, the people who worte the constituiton ment that you could worship the "christain" god any way you wanted to. Its funny how things get mixed around. Yo

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya, they happened to be christian. so what

[Rowan1011]

I could care less about the government and politics and shit.. It's not like I can do anything about it even if I did care.. Christianity's overated, the modern government is retarded, but I'm not trying to destroy either..... Frankly, I figure I'll be dead in another 60-70years, as long as they can hold this shitbag up until then-I'm fine.

Don't much care, but I don't think it'd hurt for them to remove it if not to just shutup whinners :\..... It's not like it's going to hurt anybody...

Edit:By the way, it's not like Jazbo could be doing anything to stop the terrorists if he's still going to school.. In fact, if he stands in honor of his country it's not like 3 terrorists are suddenly going to get unmotivated.. :roll:

[Anonymous]

I really could care less, because I don't pledge my alleginance to this country at all. I am not very nationalistic and refuse to do the pledge at school so bah. Let them leave it in, let them take it out... doesn't much matter.

I like this guy! :D
I think it should be removed. "God" is NOT really universal. That is like making americans say "one nation under buddha." Its the same thing! Really? not really. sure it started out that way. but religions are trying to get away from being united by this "God". Religions are NOT the same at all. It should be removed. Anyways, I have no respect for this shit hole society! we are foolish,disgusting, and un-informed. America should be more like europe. Our education sucks and we need more science in america. All you people came from monkies! notice your dick looks like a monkies dick! monkies can get diseases from humans..and *shock* global warming is caused by pollution (that george bush could really care less about!) George bush has 7 DUIs! and was a cocaine addict. He represents are country. I have america! I hate you! I hate me! We are all cowards! the end.

[kevin]

Well, the only religion it doesn't apply to are either other nationality religions that really aren't practiced in the US, or no religion at all. It doesn't have to be universal, it's just a phrase.

[Anonymous]

hinduism isnt practiced in the us?

[Rowan1011]

Besides that, I thought the US you could practice whatever religion you pleased and get equal treatment..

Maybe I'm wrong.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya like most religions are

[nwshc]

.]I really could care less, because I don't pledge my alleginance to this country at all. I am not very nationalistic and refuse to do the pledge at school so bah. Let them leave it in, let them take it out... doesn't much matter.

I like this guy! :D
I think it should be removed. "God" is NOT really universal. That is like making americans say "one nation under buddha." Its the same thing! Really? not really. sure it started out that way. but religions are trying to get away from being united by this "God". Religions are NOT the same at all. It should be removed. Anyways, I have no respect for this shit hole society! we are foolish,disgusting, and un-informed. America should be more like europe. Our education sucks and we need more science in america. All you people came from monkies! notice your dick looks like a monkies dick! monkies can get diseases from humans..and *shock* global warming is caused by pollution (that george bush could really care less about!) George bush has 7 DUIs! and was a cocaine addict. He represents are country. I have america! I hate you! I hate me! We are all cowards! the end.
But you know what austin, If they don't like it THEY DONT HAVE TO SAY IT!!
Im sorry austin, but on the issue of america i have no respect for you. Austin, all that you name is BULLSHIT.
BUSH HAD THIS, BUSH HAD THAT. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, GIVE IT A FUCKING BREAK. Do you know how many fucking people have been adicted to drugs or had DUIs? I WILL TELL YOU THIS, PLENTY OF FUCKING PEOPLE. Who the hell gives a rats ass about pollution?! We will most likey not survive another 1000 years so why the fuck should we care? To keep the presious trees and the presious air? Get a fucking clue.
Eurpoe this, europe that. Austin, if you want to go there so bad, be my fucking guest and go!! Europe is not the "perfect little place" you seem to think it is. It has problems too!!! Why the fuck can you not get that through your thick fuckng skull? Every fucking country has fucking problems, and you fucking blow americas up to make is seam like america is fucking disgusting. WAKE UP CALL. ITS NOT.
Austin, stay the fuck out of politics. You have no FUCKING idea what the fuck you are talking about. All you ever do is ramble on and on how america is so fucking bad. LEave and join all of those hatters out there.

Oh, and if you didnt notice the 3 main religions in America is Catholic, Muslim and Jewish. All of which pray to the same fucking god. Sure, lets fuck the 280 some odd citizens of America and cater to 5 fucking people!!!
You and Othello need to buy a fuckign clue.

[Anonymous]

If you dont care about the environment..then you should get a fucking clue on the role it plays. I have way more inteeligence than you when it comes to politics. I just rant more. Im not stupid, im glad that you think i am and decide to bust out on me. You have the slightest clue to what im capable of. If you were as smart as I am. you would she the fakeness all around you. I dont want a cocaine addict as the representitive of america. Just because plenty of people have that problem doesnt mean is fine. A president is suppose to be soemone extrordinare. oh and recent polls have shown that 38% people believe in what george bush is doing...how did it go from 65% to 38% so fast? Some people got smarter.

[Rowan1011]

.]I really could care less, because I don't pledge my alleginance to this country at all. I am not very nationalistic and refuse to do the pledge at school so bah. Let them leave it in, let them take it out... doesn't much matter.

I like this guy! :D
I think it should be removed. "God" is NOT really universal. That is like making americans say "one nation under buddha." Its the same thing! Really? not really. sure it started out that way. but religions are trying to get away from being united by this "God". Religions are NOT the same at all. It should be removed. Anyways, I have no respect for this shit hole society! we are foolish,disgusting, and un-informed. America should be more like europe. Our education sucks and we need more science in america. All you people came from monkies! notice your dick looks like a monkies dick! monkies can get diseases from humans..and *shock* global warming is caused by pollution (that george bush could really care less about!) George bush has 7 DUIs! and was a cocaine addict. He represents are country. I have america! I hate you! I hate me! We are all cowards! the end.
Im sorry austin, but on the issue of america i have no respect for you. Austin, all that you name is BULLSHIT.
BUSH HAD THIS, BUSH HAD THAT. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, GIVE IT A FUCKING BREAK. Do you know how many fucking people have been adicted to drugs or had DUIs?
How many were the President of the United States of America? :roll:

Also, you really need to stop caring so much about your country, it's great to be patriotic, but this is retarded.. If anyone says anything about America you flip out into a frenzy of curse words. WAKE UP CALL! America isn't so great, Bush isn't the best leader and you need to chill out.. Seriously man.. It's like you're personally attacking the guy because you think your country is THE country your leader is THE leader and that if anyone says otherwise they're retarded. Also, AMERICA ISN'T A COMUNIST COUNTRY IF YOU BELIEVE IN ANOTHER RELIGION OR NO RELIGION AT ALL YOU SHOULD BE SUPPORTED BY YOUR GOVERNMENT!!!! 'Nough said!

You're an idiot man, I'm sure you have a nice side like Cosmos.. But seriously from what I know of you so far, you're a freaking douche and a half...

I don't think it really matters what two words say in some stupid law, personally, but unless you're being forced to be either Christian Muslim or Jewish the law should be compatible with all religions, or no religion at all.. How would you like it if it said Budha in the place of God or Quezecoltl or something?

America is pretty corrupt, I wonder when they'll find the nuclear weapons in Iraq... Stop living a freaking dream man..

EDIT:Started writing while Austin was writing, so this was meant to be posted before hand.

[nwshc]

You're an idiot man, I'm sure you have a nice side like Cosmos.. But seriously from what I know of you so far, you're a freaking douche and a half...
You don't know me. You do not know what I am like. Ask anyone on this site and most of them will disagree that I am a "douche and a half".
Ignorant fool.

[Rowan1011]

I never said I knew you, "from what I know of you so far"... Reading's an awesome thing, huh? But, I DO know that you get overly offended if anyone says anything about your precious country..

And that's what I'm acting on, not who you are.. Like I said, you probably have a nice side, most people do... But what I've seen of you really bugs me.. I'm not the one being ignorant or foolish here... If you really wanna see something Ignorant and foolish, read this: JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, GIVE IT A FUCKING BREAK. Do you know how many fucking people have been adicted to drugs or had DUIs?

[kolte]

Please try not to drag me into any more of you conversations nwshc. I really don't like being offended for no reason. I do support many things you say, but you need to understand and accept other people's opionion's.

"You don't know me. You do not know what I am like. Ask anyone on this site and most of them will disagree that I am a "douche and a half".
Ignorant fool."

You sound like an arrogent fool there

[nwshc]

And that's what I'm acting on, not who you are.. Like I said, you probably have a nice side, most people do... But what I've seen of you really bugs me.. I'm not the one being ignorant or foolish here... If you really wanna see something Ignorant and foolish, read this: JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, GIVE IT A FUCKING BREAK. Do you know how many fucking people have been adicted to drugs or had DUIs?
Can I not debate pasionatly? Is it a crime to love and care for my country and defent it when people say otherwize? Yes, I did go far with some of my comments, but I'm so fucking sorry for loving my country.

You sound like an arrogent fool there
Yes, I am an arrogent person when I want to be. Why don't you make a poll and see?

[kolte]

You love fighting don't you? You just can not stand to see yourself proven worng. even when poeple tell you your right you still have somthing to say about it. I hope you get banned one day, for good.

[DouggyO.o]

i think it should stay in the pledge, just because some fucking douch bag doesnt want his so called "daughter" that isnt legaly his, not to say one nation undergod doesnmean he has to make the whole contry stop, i would say fuck him leave it in! o and im proud to say one nation under god, if u odnt like it dont say it!

[TheWizard]

How about we change the "In God We Trust" to "In Satan We Trust"

Get the point.

[Ravenous]

It shouldn't be there, What about the religions that dont worship god? Its lies for them. Lies which probably offend them. I side with Jazbo, Austin and Rowan here
This band logo shows my beliefs quiet well.
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3163/badreligion3cb.th.jpg

[kolte]

but they don't have to say it. But I'll be damed if I'm not going to enven If they take it out! and I don't even bleive in god!

[nwshc]

How about we change the "In God We Trust" to "In Satan We Trust"

Get the point.
No I don't

It shouldn't be there, What about the religions that don't worship god? Its lies for them. Lies which probably offend them. I side with Jazbo, Austin and Rowan here
This band logo shows my beliefs quiet well.
Why should we cater to the 5 people that want it out, when 280 million are probably religious, or aren't and don't care about it. We shouldn't. If the guy , or the kid doesnt want to say the pledge with the words "Under god" then they can leave.

Are we forgeting about the rights of the people that want it in there? Sure the atheists still get their rights, but do 280 million peoples rights no count? It is also their right to say it, as it also is not the atheits rights not to say it. If the majority want to say it they can leave.

And if this does stay, does that mean we have to take out "god" from our paper money and coins because they dont want to look at it when they pay for bread? Pft, no.

[DouggyO.o]

How about we change the "In God We Trust" to "In Satan We Trust"

Get the point.

No i dont get the fucking point! In satin we trust is an awful thing to say! i am a very religious person, and what u just said hurts! itss not so much what u said, it was wsas the fact that u said it! u Could have hurt alot of eople on this site of what u just said and if u asked me thats just fucking stupid!

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya in satan we trust? what on earth. thats such a horrible thing to say. thats like saying "IN HITLER WE TRUST"

omg




thats disgusting

[DouggyO.o]

exacly! i thouhgt this was a none discrimanation site, and what u did is discrimanation! But i guess u can do what u want cuz ur admin :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Rowan1011]

Yeah, this is exactly what he meant guys.. Some people believe in Satin, so god is like satin to them.. I mean, it's not the best example, but it's the most extreme. It's kind of like, when the other religions see god they get discouraged like when a christian sees "In Satin we trust..."..

Also, a wise man once said; "Sometimes the majority just means all the fools are all on the same side." There's way more than 5 people too :\.... Besides, there's so many athiests in America, ignoring them is retarded...

Am I the only one that got that...?

[kolte]

I, as well, understood that, you are not alone.

[Dante]

doug and matt u better not say anything u dont want to get "ya know" so next time shhhh

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

othelo, rowan, austin.

nick is a great guy. i know othelo and rowan have never talked to him and therefore cant possibly judge him. you get angry at him for supporting the country that he lives in? who are you to say hes misguided or blind? it doesnt matter. what matters is that hes carrying out his duties as a citizen by securing the sactity of the land, that sanctity you people wish to destroy.

i honestly dont understand why the words "under god" come of so much offense. i dont believe in god, but i believe in the pledge. i believe in EVERY single word of the pledge and ANYONE who thinks otherwise needs to reevaluate their position. its not so much what the words say, its what the pledge means at heart. the pledge is an oath to love and carry out the duties of ones country, and everyone should embrace it. it doesnt matter if your christian, jew, muslim, atheist or god hater. it doesnt matter.

what matters is that you stand up and show respect for your country by reciting a poem that was designated for just that. if you dont believe in god, theres nothing wrong with that. nothing wrong about that at all. if you dont want to utter two words in class, you dont have to. i understand that, i respect that, i support that. it doesnt offend me in the least. what does offend me though is when people think they have the right to sue the state of california over something that nooone has a problem with.

so many people embrace the pledge of allegience it's not fair for 1 man to take it away from 35 million people. its not fair and its not right. the word God should take no offense to you even if you dont believe in it. do you get offended when someone gives a date in B.C? what about if i said 500 A.D. does that piss you off? it shouldnt. i hate when people try to come up with bullshit like 500 b.c.e. (before common era) and 500 a.c.e. (after common era) so that they dont have to acknowledge christ.

let me ask you, what event in history designates the common era? jesus. dont believe in him? too bad, thats how the calender was created. thats how the standards have been for thousands of years, and changing it because of religious reasons is just utter bull. thats how the calender was invented, and thats how it will and should stay. the pledge of allegiance was written with the words "under god", and thats how it will and should stay. our beautiful currency also exemplifies the strong religious fervor that existed in 18th century colonial america.

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/5340/gold12pc.gif

if you dont believe in god, are you going to boycott money? of course not. are you going to boycott the calender that has been in use for thousands of years? of course not. so why the hell should you boycott the pledge of allegience? it makes people happy. when ever i say it i feel proud. whenever i sing the national anthem i feel proud. in canada they sing the anthem every day. theres a reference of god. does anyone care? no because it doesnt matter.

how can reading the Pledge of fucking Allegience be UNCONSTITUTIONAL????? it was written at like the same time!!! people think they can just get whatever they want with incessant bitching. well you what, its not right to reverse the wheels of history to prevent OTHER people from saying something that YOU object to.

in recap. be nice to nick. respect my country.
god bless :)

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

I think it should stay in. I'm not Christian. I'm agnostic. It's part of the United States' roots. It was a nation founded on religion, and even if I don't agree with that religion, I can still be proud to stand for what helped create our nation.

thank you.

[Ravenous]

Get rid of it, its discrimination against the minority, Would you want to say "In ganesh we trust" or something like that? No I dont think you would.
Rowan made a very good point on page two, his post near the bottom of the page, that exactly.
Oh and doug?


SATAN
SATAN
SATAN
SATAN
SATAN
SATAN
SATAN
SATAN
SATAN
:)

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

Get rid of it, its discrimination against the minority, Would you want to say "In ganesh we trust" or something like that? No I dont think you would.
Rowan made a very good point on page two, his post near the bottom of the page, that exactly.
Oh and doug?


SATAN
SATAN
SATAN
SATAN
SATAN
SATAN
SATAN
SATAN
SATAN
:)

you dont live in america, so anything you say regarding the issue means absolutely nothing. all you do in this post is point fingers and be hurtful... way to go :roll:

[Ravenous]

I have realised I don't live in america, but that dosn't mean my opinion isn't valid, I'm just showing my views, like I'm sure you have done in threads about other countrys.
Meh yeah that satan thing was a bit OTT but what ever.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

kk no probs

[kolte]

I have to say i fully agree with you cosmos. I don't think its nessesary to change the pledge to cater to the minority. We live in a democrocy. and in a democrocy the majority rules. Even if the supreame court rules it out, you will never see me not say it when the time comes. Even if my voice is the only echo in the room, UNDER GOD, whoever that may be, will be loud and clear.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

I have to say i fully agree with you cosmos. I don't think its nessesary to change the pledge to cater to the minority. We live in a democrocy. and in a democrocy the majority rules. Even if the supreame court rules it out, you will never see me not say it when the time comes. Even if my voice is the only echo in the room, UNDER GOD, whoever that may be, will be loud and clear.

thank you

[kolte]

Get rid of it, its discrimination against the minority, Would you want to say "In ganesh we trust" or something like that? No I dont think you would.


No, but just hypothetically, let's look at that the other way around. What if India was like the USA, and the USA was like India. If I moved to India to search for a better life, and there was an Indian pledge that had one of the Indian gods' names in it, I wouldn't start trying to change it. This may be a little cruel to say, but the immigrants aren't doing us a favor by moving here. We're doing them a favor by letting them stay here. The least they can do is respect our traditions.

here here

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i was watching the news and they showed an awesome clip from the tonight show. he was like like "a judge just ruled the pledge of allegiance unconstituional in public schools" --audiance starts booing-- "hold on now, imagine this. what happens if you go to an elementary school and say the pledge and get arrested? youll be taken to jail and then before the courts, at at court you will have to say 'i sware to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth SO HELP ME GOD. ahhh and now your back on square one!" --eveyrone laughs--

[kolte]

thats great!

ya know, then he would have to pay a fine, most likley, and the money would say IN GOD WE TRUST lol

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

yep funny how that works isnt it :D

[Cinimonwaffalz3]

i think they should just keep it, i mean, it was written that way, and why should they change it just cause people dont like it?

[nwshc]

Actualy it wasn't written that way, but ya.

[nwshc]

What does your name mean, nwshc?
Ah, If I had a nickle for everytime I have been asked that

Nick(My first name) William (my middle name) S***(my last name. No, its not *SHIT*) Home Computer

I just wanted something simple instead of what people have now with the "bubb3lisous154star" or complex name like that.

[TheWizard]

Ok I read somewhere that "In God We Trust" wasn't put on money until the 1940's. So it wasn't always been there like some of you think.

It should read "In Magik We Trust"

[kolte]

lol, in magik we trust....it should be in money we trust lol

[DouggyO.o]

this isnt funny, minipulating the plege, its in god we trust and thats the way it should stay! why do people have to be so stupid and say stuff like that

[Hi i am jon]

You are all disrespectfull as hell. Yeah this country has it's problesm just like the next. Yeah Bush made mistakes when he was younger, yeah he made a mistake with the huricane. I am suprised he was not impeached for that, but staying on topic.

People are going and fighting a war so we can say that. Anyway no one is forced to say the plege, but every one should. People are going out to war and dying so we can say what we want, how the hell do you think they feel when they see protesters and people with signs saying stop the war or what ever. So as people get sent out to die we complain about the littlest things like under god.... If you have a problem dont say it i guess, but they should not take it out! Thats just insane....

I don't belive in god because ever since i thought "Why warship someone who's existence is questionable" but i wont be a bitch about this... It is not teaching us anything about god so let it be... Sure if it was talking about god, but no its just a few simple meaningless words.....

[nwshc]

You are all disrespectfull as hell. Yeah this country has it's problesm just like the next. Yeah Bush made mistakes when he was younger, yeah he made a mistake with the huricane. I am suprised he was not impeached for that, but staying on topic.
How, he did not commit any crime of any sorts.

People are going and fighting a war so we can say that. Anyway no one is forced to say the plege, but every one should. People are going out to war and dying so we can say what we want, how the hell do you think they feel when they see protesters and people with signs saying stop the war or what ever. So as people get sent out to die we complain about the littlest things like under god.... If you have a problem dont say it i guess, but they should not take it out! Thats just insane....
Thank you!

I don't belive in god because ever since i thought "Why warship someone who's existence is questionable" but i wont be a bitch about this... It is not teaching us anything about god so let it be... Sure if it was talking about god, but no its just a few simple meaningless words.....
Again, Thank you!

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

In my opinion it is never good to mix relgion and politics, because it has nothing to do with each other. I hope nobody gehts angry but I think this pledge is a little strange, we learned it in Germyn in school. And why should you pledge allegiance to a country, thats doesn't give you any social assurance and let hundreds of poeple alone, like in New Orleans.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

social assurance? so we have to be communist before we cant stand up and be proud of our country? i dont think so

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

Not communist, but a state has to care about his people, but the US-Goverment prefers killing people in the Iraq.......ans with Patriotism the soldiers are so stupid to think they fight for something really good.......

[kolte]

People are going and fighting a war so we can say that. Anyway no one is forced to say the plege, but every one should. People are going out to war and dying so we can say what we want, how the hell do you think they feel when they see protesters and people with signs saying stop the war or what ever. So as people get sent out to die we complain about the littlest things like under god.... If you have a problem dont say it i guess, but they should not take it out! Thats just insane....

Let me clear this up for you. Even though I agree with you, what in the hell are you talking about. The UnitedStates is not killing Iraqis so WE can be free. Its a commen misperception. The UnitedStates is killing Iraqis so that THEY can be free. It really has nothing to do with us. Its just part of the War On Terror. We are freeing the world, so that it will be less likely another world war will happen. Thats why we attack everybody. Did it really affect us when Korea was happening, no, but we were fighting the war on communism, and what about Veitnam, no, communism again. Iraq is a dictatorship, and a terristic infested area, we are forcing the country to be a demmocrocy, so that the people don't have to suffer and die while we enjoy all the freedoms.

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

Yes Iraq was a dictoraship installeted by the USA.......

[kolte]

indeed

[nwshc]

In my opinion it is never good to mix relgion and politics, because it has nothing to do with each other. I hope nobody gehts angry but I think this pledge is a little strange, we learned it in Germyn in school. And why should you pledge allegiance to a country, thats doesn't give you any social assurance and let hundreds of poeple alone, like in New Orleans.
Are you thinking that we as people can just snap a finger and go *poof* and take everyone out of new orleans or any disastar for that matter within hours? If you do, you need a reality check.

[josh,]

hay nerds suck bush is a quear and god is a just a
dumbass word

[nwshc]

hay nerds suck bush is a quear and god is a just a
dumbass word
And you are a fucking inbread twat.

[kevin]

I'm not sure if I said this already. But why make such a big deal, you don't have to pledge if you don't want to. But if you really care about thsi country, you'll risk two words and say "under god".

[kolte]

here here, and yes, that guy is an imbread twat

[teencrazykid]

I think that each student should decide for his or herself. If they are not religious, then maybe they do not want to pledge their allegiance to God. I think that everyone is entitled to state their opinions. I would openly pledge allegiance to G-d, but not to the United States b/c George W. Bush is president, but if he weren't president, I'd have no problem pledging allegiance to America.

[Hi i am jon]

People are going and fighting a war so we can say that. Anyway no one is forced to say the plege, but every one should. People are going out to war and dying so we can say what we want, how the hell do you think they feel when they see protesters and people with signs saying stop the war or what ever. So as people get sent out to die we complain about the littlest things like under god.... If you have a problem dont say it i guess, but they should not take it out! Thats just insane....

Let me clear this up for you. Even though I agree with you, what in the hell are you talking about. The UnitedStates is not killing Iraqis so WE can be free. Its a commen misperception. The UnitedStates is killing Iraqis so that THEY can be free. It really has nothing to do with us. Its just part of the War On Terror. We are freeing the world, so that it will be less likely another world war will happen. Thats why we attack everybody. Did it really affect us when Korea was happening, no, but we were fighting the war on communism, and what about Veitnam, no, communism again. Iraq is a dictatorship, and a terristic infested area, we are forcing the country to be a demmocrocy, so that the people don't have to suffer and die while we enjoy all the freedoms.

sorry for being late on this i was away for the weekend...also i didnt look at this topic....

anyway also sorry for not clearing that up, i mean terrorists got us with 9/11, if we are not to fight that war to free them rebels will be like they are not like us they are bad and keep doing that, if we free them it insures us as being safe....well a little more safe it can happen but not as likley, same with all the rest of the communist countrys people belive their government is better......we think ours is better...we fight...innocent people get killed.....but the point being soldiors take place of the innocent people dying so we can live a more safe life, if the iraqis had no one to fight they could hit us citizens instead of soldiors, they are kinda like a meat sheild, have them die so we can live a better life :(........well i guess if the arent forced into war its ok....but so in reality all war is fought and that outcome one country is more safe

[nwshc]

I would openly pledge allegiance to G-d, but not to the United States b/c George W. Bush is president, but if he weren't president, I'd have no problem pledging allegiance to America.
Just because you do not like the president, doesn't mean you should give respect to America as a whole. If Kerry was president, I would still be pledging away.

[kolte]

bush vs kerry in a battle to the death that would make me happy

[teencrazykid]

That would be kinda cool, Kolte

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

I think that each student should decide for his or herself. If they are not religious, then maybe they do not want to pledge their allegiance to God. I think that everyone is entitled to state their opinions. I would openly pledge allegiance to G-d, but not to the United States b/c George W. Bush is president, but if he weren't president, I'd have no problem pledging allegiance to America.

I Pledge Allegiance.... to have your ass banned. spammer

[thatguy]

No "Under God" In the pledge...

First, we added "under god" because we were fighting the Godless communists...but in general the pledge was written specifically to make no mention of religion at all.

I don't have a problem with it being in there, but I do have a problem when kids are made to say it, or ridiculed for not saying it. It's just another way to make kids different, and make the minority "less" than the minority

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i disagree. if you dont want to say it you dont have to, but if you dont i wholeheartedly deserve their criticism. if someone in my class didnt say it, id probably make fun of them. those antipatriot biotches

[thatguy]

Where was the line between not swearing allegiance, and being an antipatriot?

[nwshc]

Where was the line between not swearing allegiance, and being an antipatriot?
The majority wants to say under god.
There ya go

[rAp iS MuSiC]

i think that our society is becomming more and more secular, not that its totally bad, but eventually people are going to try to erase EVERY slight reference to any kind of higher being

[redcar]

i dont think that is true at all jsut look at the middle east most these countries revolve around religion and people, unfortunatly as we have seen in recent months and years are willing to die for it.

[rAp iS MuSiC]

sorry, correction, i meant the american society

[redcar]

my appologies