Cops Point Firearms, Arrest 10-year-old For Making Noise

[robbiehay1]

The parents of a 10-year-old boy who was handcuffed and placed in the back seat of a police cruiser for being too noisy intend to file a complaint against Ottawa police today, alleging that at least one officer went too far in the way he treated their son.

Thomasz and Santana Gurzynski say police drew their firearms before entering their Norberry Crescent apartment and scratched the back of their son, Lucasz, while forcing him to sit down for questioning without an adult present.

Mrs. Gurzynski, 35, believes it was an overreaction by police, who were responding to a neighbour's complaint that the Grade 5 student and five friends were playing video games too loudly and play fighting with wooden sticks.



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[Mzor203]

That is absolutely ridiculous. They paid no attention to the neighbor who threw a beer can and shattered the window?

[Whisper]

they should all be fired immediately
the one who drew his weapon should be charged
and anyone who interrogated him like that aswell

[theOperaGhost]

That's like the story of the police who used a taser or something on a 9 year old girl in school, because she was being disruptive or something(don't remember). That happened like a year ago. WTF is up with cops nowadays? Do they just act like everyone they are arresting or questioning is a murderer or pedophile or something? They are just kids for fucks sake.

[Maverick]

the one who drew his weapon should be charged
Charged for pulling a weapon? The article says they drew their weapons before entering the apartment. You don't expect them to protect themselves before entering an apartment where they don't know what may be on the other side? I think there is slight justification there. Pulling a weapon is not a crime.

After entering they should have handled it a lot better. Common sense should have prevailed over police training of how to deal with a criminal. Sadly, poorly trained or incompetent officers who have poor problem solving skills act in extreme ways rather mediating in a more practical and sesnible matter.

Nothing is wrong with cops nowadays. Misuse of power and incompetence is something that has and will always exist. Another type is school administrators/teachers unfairly suspending kids for mild things. People in power, cops or not, don't always act in the right way sometimes.

[Whisper]

You don't do that shit here
in America cops pull there fire arms constantly in Canada that doesn't happen

Like in the states they pull you over for speeding its not uncommon for then to come up to the window gun at your head

In Canada that does NOT happen unless theres been a major speed chase etc... like there has to be a dam good reason

[Maverick]

You don't do that shit here
in America cops pull there fire arms constantly in Canada that doesn't happen

Like in the states they pull you over for speeding its not uncommon for then to come up to the window gun at your head

In Canada that does NOT happen unless theres been a major speed chase etc... like there has to be a dam good reason
I know lots of people who got pulled over for speeding and never once they got a gun pointed at them.

Cops protect themselves before making someone feel comfortable. If you don't like the hassle, don't speed in the first place.

The crime rate in Canada is much lower than the United States so really I find it an unfair comparison. If there was a rise in cops being shot when pulling over people I'm sure they'd take more protective measures.

[Whisper]

Thats exactly the point i was trying to make....honestly
Cops don't just pull there guns out
Not here

[Maverick]

Not even before entering a house?

[george]

As far as I see it, power is ALWAYS abused because thats just life, no ones perfect (which is a adjective which in my opinion all adjectives except for numbers are opinions)

But those cops should have handled it a hell of a lot better than knocking down the door, gun in hand, and start interrogating a freakin 10 year old. I mean wtf?

Oh and when cops pull you over they don't like knocking on your window with a gun :P silly Codie :D

[Whisper]

Not even before entering a house?

For a simple noise complaint there shouldn't be any "entering"
they'd wail on the door if nobody answered and door was unlocked i think they can enter but they have to be very vocal there coming in and they dont draw there weapons hand on it but still in the holster

If its a drug bust or there going after someone whos really dangerous ya
SWAT would be called in

But for noise complaints or domestic disturbances they wouldn't just fly in unless theres just cause (they hear a scream, gun shot, etc...)

Someone called the cops when my parents were having a huge fight I answered and it was two cops standing there they asked if they could come in I said yes they said merci and they walked upstairs
No guns
no throwing people down
No interrogating minors with no adults present

[Underground_Network]

Nowadays cops are never safe. Cops have been tricked a lot lately. Recently three cops were on their way to a domestic disturbance call when they were ambushed in killed. There are a lot of cop killers out here in the states now, and cops have to be prepared. You never know when you're entering a house what could be going on. In this case they probably didn't need to pull their guns considering they knew it was a 10-year old making the noise, but in some noise complaint cases, they don't know who's making the noise and/or what the noise is, so in order to protect themselves from the unknown they pull out their guns and enter the house. 99% of the time they have no intent of using the gun and a lot of the times they have guns that don't have real bullets in them, cops use all sorts of alternatives, like firing beanbags that hurt a little, but aren't anywhere near as bad as bullets. With crime rates as high as they are in some areas, and with the rate of homicides rising all over the states, cops need to be on their guard. And Cody, find me a case where a cop pulled his gun when pulling someone over that wasn't overly suspicious. I doubt you'll find one. If it's a high speed chase as you said, sometimes they will do that. They only rarely pull out a gun, sometimes they may do it because the car they just pulled over is registered to someone with a warrant out for their arrest, or someone who's been in jail before on something like weapons charges. They rarely just pull someone over [who willingly pulls over] and pull out a gun on them. In fact, most cops who are killed at traffic stops are those that don't pull out their guns. Cops often should pull out their gun when they don't. They have their guns for protection, they don't intend to use their guns for anything else [in most cases].

[Hyper]

There is a thin line between what is right and what is wrong. Methods can be wrong but the cause can be right, you don't use morally wrong methods for trivial things.

But the real issue really is at which point does power become abusive? Your phone calls can be listened, your IPs can be tracked, your identidy can be pulled up from camera footage etc.. Its the eternal issue of who will survey they surveyors? And so on..

I think the real problem everywhere is social just take the Canada & America comprasion

Canada has practically no crime at all compared to America and the main reason there is social, how life is pictured and how life is lived.