Ageism

[ObliviousCat]

It bothers me to no end when I see the godawful amount of "adults" making hasty generalizations based on one child or a handful of children they knew. They generalize all young children as misbehaved imbeciles, while they generalize all teenagers as hormonal little kids who have no idea what they're talking about. Our arguments are deemed invalid, more so in discussions about sex, love, and everyday problems we all face in life. And, oh, God FORBID if we claim to have a mental disorder! Apparently, the depression we've been diagnosed with is nothing more than something "all teenagers go through." Seriously, what's up with the ignorance in these adults? Last time I heard, adults are supposed to be mature and rational about things. How is literally bullying a depressed teenager in any way mature and rational? I don't know if I should laugh at them or if I should just be sad at how ignorant they are...and how much they seem to embrace it. They seem proud of their ignorance, and also believe they can't be proven wrong. They will stand by their statements even though they should realize how faulty it is. Not every single teenager is ignorant in regards to sex and love. Some of us know what genuine love is, while some of us have experienced more sexual things than some of the adults playing ageism have. Where did this age discrimination originate from, anyway, and where are they getting this idea that we're all idiots?

[Jean Poutine]

Ageism doesn't exist.

[sqishy]

Ageism doesn't exist.

I'm not being necessairily specific to the topic in this thread, but why do you think ageism does not exist?

[Kirina]

Ageism doesn't exist.

Call it whatever you want. Can't be denied that a lot of adults don't value childrens/teenagers opinions, just because their young.

[Jean Poutine]

Call it whatever you want. Can't be denied that a lot of adults don't value childrens/teenagers opinions, just because their young.

I'm not talking about the term, I'm saying "ageism" (in the case described in this thread) doesn't exist because it isn't based on a stereotype but a generally valid assessment. If it's any consolation to you, there are many adults I don't take seriously either.

Look, I get it. I was a teen too not so long ago. I was on this very site and feeling much the way you do. Teenagers think they know everything about everything and they're frustrated that they're not taken seriously. That's true of me, you, and every single other teen. I think that is the single thing (aside from physical changes) that every teen goes through. I think OP's post is a perfect example really, writing about how adults are "ignorant". I would never "bully" a teen who thinks he/she has a mental disorder. Hell, I'm an aspie myself. But there has been a trend lately with teens self-diagnosing mental conditions to be unique or to fit in, as deranged as that might seem, and I've been known from time to time to jump in the appropriate subforum and to put a stop to this bullshit when I see it happen. There is nothing that jams an individual's progress through life more thoroughly than a failsafe that he/she can bring up at will to excuse any misbehaving. My own condition is often used for this because ASDs are not things that can be described well on paper. Teens read the Wiki article, think it sounds just like them and then proclaim they have it too. They especially like to lay claim to the supposed superior intelligence that comes with being a sperg, despite that being just a myth and a false one to boot, which I find deliciously ironic because intelligent people don't self-diagnose over the Internet to begin with. I take that as a personal insult but I try not to be too hard on them here - in other forums I am much more vicious.

However, today, I refuse to go through my post history because I know I will facepalm so hard that I'll be facedesking and I don't need a concussion at the moment. I can guarantee you almost all adults feel exactly the same way. They look back to their teenage years, remember how they acted and what they said and shake their heads at the utter stupidity and lack of foresight of it all. Why else would we not take teenagers seriously? Because we know we were not to be taken seriously when we were teenagers ourselves. That's where we get the idea that teenagers are idiots. We were too. I know that if I had just listened to my parents and grandmother more as a teen, then my life might be very different. But what did they know, they were disconnected old farts who just didn't get it, you know? More so my father figure, he hadn't gone far in school and wasn't terribly smart, so it was easy to disregard everything he said completely, but one thing he did manage to do was to teach me the value of hard work (a lesson I took to very late as until recently I've never had to work to gain accolades), and for that, I thank him.

In fact, if you want to play that game, teenagers complaining about "ageism" is ageist itself because it insinuates that adults understand nothing about the teen condition simply because they're adults. It's just a slightly more complex form of that old teenage slogan : "you don't understand me/what I'm going through!" Never mind that we went through it all and that we possess the ability to look back at what we did and said conjugated with the life experiences we're accrued so far.

Like it or not, teens have mushy, undeveloped brains. Of course, children have the mushiest brains, which is why they are able to learn new languages so quickly. They're like sponges, absorbing everything around them, how people act, what people do and say and how they do and say it. However, they have brains that cannot yet filter all the relentless bullshit and propaganda in which we spend our lives submerged, which is why advertising targeted to children is illegal in civilized countries.

Teenage is simply the time this brain becomes hardened and finishes developing. The areas for decision-making are notoriously undeveloped compared to the adult brain, and aren't done developing in adults until their twenties. Teens are also still remarkably susceptible to advertising, peer pressure, that sort of crowd psychology bullshit I wish didn't exist, which makes them easy to manipulate. This feeling of knowing everything is due to all the hormones swarming the brain while it changes into a less pliable, adult form. This is also part of why I don't generally take teenagers seriously. My goal on this board is to educate and to do my part (as little as it may be) in ensuring today's teens become great, well-rounded adults. I like to think I've made a difference a few times, that sometime, somewhere, a person had one of my posts flash in their heads when they were about to do something stupid and realized I was right - I've been here so long.

Now are there adults who fail at life and teenagers who should be taken seriously? Sure there are. I don't deal in absolutes, but rather in probabilities. Nevertheless, many adults fuck up their lives due to bad decisions they took as teenagers and in which they became stuck, or due to plain awful circumstances, through little fault of their own.

As for teenagers, those who are to be taken seriously are much rarer than teens think (of course). There are a few on this board that have earned this distinction from me, but "earn" is the operative word, and it is always on an individual basis. To scream "ageism" is to demand this recognition for every teenager, no matter how ill-suited. It's also very easy to do. It's just a word composed of 6 letters, 2 syllables, and further it puts the onus on me to change, while all you have to do is sit back and scream the word as loud as you can once in a while. Earning it is something else entirely, but it's also much more rewarding and worth more.

Physiological differences aren't all, however. There's also a question involving society as a grater whole. Consider these youth today demanding the right to vote at 16. Maybe those requesting it, deserve it (fat chance), maybe they don't. What do we do about that majority we are very sure shouldn't be let anywhere near a ballot box? Now you're going to tell me "yes, but there are adults that shouldn't be let anywhere near a ballot box either!" I agree, which is why I want the voting age to be elevated. To lower the voting age because some adults can't exercise it properly is the textbook definition of dumbing down. 18 or 21 perhaps was enough in a world where people started working (and I mean really working) at 10 or 12, did most or all household chores, where school curricula were much harsher than they are now and where most people had many younger siblings they had to help their parents with. Hardship and challenge makes one mature faster.

Today's world is very different, for better or for worse, and some adults never grow up because they are never challenged, always coddled, by the State and by their parents. However, there are still many more adults that do grow up and should be taken seriously than there are teens to be taken seriously.

Now here's a very adult lesson than some adults haven't taken to yet : people should not demand things with words, they should earn them with deeds. To give more recognition and responsibilities to people who are not ready for them simply because they request them would be to confirm the downward slope we are in right now, the push towards equality in mediocrity, and the general disregard towards the wisdom people older than us possess. You want respect? Earn it, just as some here have done.

[tonymontana99]

It bothers me to no end when I see the godawful amount of "adults" making hasty generalizations based on one child or a handful of children they knew. They generalize all young children as misbehaved imbeciles, while they generalize all teenagers as hormonal little kids who have no idea what they're talking about. Our arguments are deemed invalid, more so in discussions about sex, love, and everyday problems we all face in life. And, oh, God FORBID if we claim to have a mental disorder! Apparently, the depression we've been diagnosed with is nothing more than something "all teenagers go through." Seriously, what's up with the ignorance in these adults? Last time I heard, adults are supposed to be mature and rational about things. How is literally bullying a depressed teenager in any way mature and rational? I don't know if I should laugh at them or if I should just be sad at how ignorant they are...and how much they seem to embrace it. They seem proud of their ignorance, and also believe they can't be proven wrong. They will stand by their statements even though they should realize how faulty it is. Not every single teenager is ignorant in regards to sex and love. Some of us know what genuine love is, while some of us have experienced more sexual things than some of the adults playing ageism have. Where did this age discrimination originate from, anyway, and where are they getting this idea that we're all idiots?

And? Aren't they correct? We're the most pussified generation that ever existed. Worse than the Boomers. We never had to fight a war, never had real hardships, were born in the middle of the internet boom. With all the shit that passes on TV even myself am surprised with how much shit we get away with. They probably get the ideia that we're all idiots by watching how shamefully our supposed "rolemodels" on TV behave, that's why (You live in North Hollywood, if what you say is true, you know this more than anyone). Times have changed, I'll give you that -- and some teenagers, including you, I suppose, aren't completely braindead like 85% of the rest. Props to you and those like you, but they're still right about how much bullshit "hard" lives we go through these days.

And maybe our arguments are deemed invalid because we don't communicate them in a rational, calm and logical way. If you present facts, statistics and backed up data there is NO one who will not listen to you carefully. Trust me, I have to talk with many adults every day and I get along with them better than I do with people our age. And thank God my three best friends -- two dudes and a girl -- think exactly like that. It's like a group where we can all laugh our asses off at this generation's utter stupidity, it's wonderful. And yes, most of teens go through "depressions" and end up laughing it off when they're older -- Hell, even me, when I went through my "depression" phase when I was 12/13 I was so, so sad, and today I look at it and ask "Holy shit, were you fucking stupid ahahah". Y'know? That's just how it is.

I'm sure you'll embrace your "ignorance" when you grow up, have kids, don't have mommy and daddy providing you with warm clothes, a roof over your head and something to eat, and actually have to work a shitty 9-5 job in your 20s to save enough money to live a decent life in the future. We all embrace it. It's just a matter of time.

Having that said, if it's your alcoholic deadbeat uncle who you listen to in order to judge adults, you don't really have much of a saying. Only listen to accomplished people's opinions.

[Sailor Mars]

And? Aren't they correct? We're the most pussified generation that ever existed. Worse than the Boomers. We never had to fight a war, never had real hardships, were born in the middle of the internet boom. With all the shit that passes on TV even myself am surprised with how much shit we get away with. They probably get the ideia that we're all idiots by watching how shamefully our supposed "rolemodels" on TV behave, that's why (You live in North Hollywood, if what you say is true, you know this more than anyone). Times have changed, I'll give you that -- and some teenagers, including you, I suppose, aren't completely braindead like 85% of the rest. Props to you and those like you, but they're still right about how much bullshit "hard" lives we go through these days.

Eh just because this generation has internet and TV with color doesn't mean that teens/young adults don't go through hardship. About 34% of homeless people are under 24, and about 80% of homeless youth under 21 use drugs and alcohol (for obvious reasons.) About 22% of children live in families with incomes under federal poverty level, and about 45% of children live in low income families. 45% of children. That's more than 32 million children. Not only are they living in poverty, with the chance of becoming homeless, but it's also a debate in which they should continue their education. It costs more than $15,000 to attend a public college for two years. Two years. That's not even a fucking bachelor's degree (which isn't even worth that much because fucking everyone has bachelor degrees (and this isn't even including student loans and student debt.)) So yeah, our generation might not have grew up during a war (Unless you count the Iraq war, which we're still dealing with), and we don't talk to each other with cups and strings, but we're still going through hardship.

I'm sure you'll embrace your "ignorance" when you grow up, have kids, don't have mommy and daddy providing you with warm clothes, a roof over your head and something to eat, and actually have to work a shitty 9-5 job in your 20s to save enough money to live a decent life in the future. We all embrace it. It's just a matter of time.
What?

[Babs]

I think ageism applies more to the elderly than to children. Though you do make a few valid points.

[tonymontana99]

Eh just because this generation has internet and TV with color doesn't mean that teens/young adults don't go through hardship. About 34% of homeless people are under 24, and about 80% of homeless youth under 21 use drugs and alcohol (for obvious reasons.) About 22% of children live in families with incomes under federal poverty level, and about 45% of children live in low income families. 45% of children. That's more than 32 million children. Not only are they living in poverty, with the chance of becoming homeless, but it's also a debate in which they should continue their education. It costs more than $15,000 to attend a public college for two years. Two years. That's not even a fucking bachelor's degree (which isn't even worth that much because fucking everyone has bachelor degrees (and this isn't even including student loans and student debt.)) So yeah, our generation might not have grew up during a war (Unless you count the Iraq war, which we're still dealing with), and we don't talk to each other with cups and strings, but we're still going through hardship.


What?

What are the "obvious reasons" that 80% of homeless kids under 21 do drugs? Because they're losers who just gave up and went full retard? I agree with the college issue, though -- too many degrees and too much money to give away for them. I wanted to study Film Production at USC, and then I saw it was $80k a year and I almost died. So that I absolutely agree with (and I'd probably regret spending $80k a year for a Liberal Arts degree). I don't think the Iraq War counts, I'm talking post-1990s generation (Generation Y and Millenials, I think those are the names). You gotta admit that we have too many celebrities these days that only rub salt in the wound (Kardashians, Miley Cyrus, Wiz Khalifa, Justin Bieber, etc.) who certainly had a cultural impact in the mid-2000s and still today -- mostly negative, let's face it. I think most adults talk shit about those of us who are entitled -- those little brats you see on TV who only know how to communicate with emojis and can't hold a face-to-face conversation without constantly texting other people or checking their Twitter feed.

[Sailor Mars]

What are the "obvious reasons" that 80% of homeless kids under 21 do drugs? Because they're losers who just gave up and went full retard? I agree with the college issue, though -- too many degrees and too much money to give away for them. I wanted to study Film Production at USC, and then I saw it was $80k a year and I almost died. So that I absolutely agree with (and I'd probably regret spending $80k a year for a Liberal Arts degree). I don't think the Iraq War counts, I'm talking post-1990s generation (Generation Y and Millenials, I think those are the names). You gotta admit that we have too many celebrities these days that only rub salt in the wound (Kardashians, Miley Cyrus, Wiz Khalifa, Justin Bieber, etc.) who certainly had a cultural impact in the mid-2000s and still today -- mostly negative, let's face it. I think most adults talk shit about those of us who are entitled -- those little brats you see on TV who only know how to communicate with emojis and can't hold a face-to-face conversation without constantly texting other people or checking their Twitter feed.
The obvious reasons being that they want to forget that they're homeless?... And yes, I obviously know that there are a shit ton of dumb ass celebrities exposed to the younger generation through the internet and TV, but there's also a shit ton of celebrities/personalities that teach or inform the younger generation, (Rachel Maddow and all those msnbc reporters, Ellen Degeneres, tons of youtube channels and shit.) Imho, I think that our generation is very intelligent and informed. Tons of things are happening during this time, such as the legalization of gay marriage in the 50 states, the first time that a lot of kids are going to be voting (which is going to cause them to look into politics, running candidates, modern day issues/problems, etc.), tons of gun control propositions that are talked about everywhere. There's so much going on and now, thanks to TV and the internet, (along with libraries and shit), we're able to connect more with this information. So it's not a bad thing that this generation is "pussified" with new technology, it just introduces so much more shit to us.

[sqishy]

And? Aren't they correct? We're the most pussified generation that ever existed. Worse than the Boomers. We never had to fight a war, never had real hardships, were born in the middle of the internet boom. With all the shit that passes on TV even myself am surprised with how much shit we get away with. They probably get the ideia that we're all idiots by watching how shamefully our supposed "rolemodels" on TV behave, that's why (You live in North Hollywood, if what you say is true, you know this more than anyone). Times have changed, I'll give you that -- and some teenagers, including you, I suppose, aren't completely braindead like 85% of the rest. Props to you and those like you, but they're still right about how much bullshit "hard" lives we go through these days.

And maybe our arguments are deemed invalid because we don't communicate them in a rational, calm and logical way. If you present facts, statistics and backed up data there is NO one who will not listen to you carefully. Trust me, I have to talk with many adults every day and I get along with them better than I do with people our age. And thank God my three best friends -- two dudes and a girl -- think exactly like that. It's like a group where we can all laugh our assIes off at this generation's utter stupidity, it's wonderful. And yes, most of teens go through "depressions" and end up laughing it off when they're older -- Hell, even me, when I went through my "depression" phase when I was 12/13 I was so, so sad, and today I look at it and ask "Holy shit, were you fucking stupid ahahah". Y'know? That's just how it is.

I'm sure you'll embrace your "ignorance" when you grow up, have kids, don't have mommy and daddy providing you with warm clothes, a roof over your head and something to eat, and actually have to work a shitty 9-5 job in your 20s to save enough money to live a decent life in the future. We all embrace it. It's just a matter of time.

Having that said, if it's your alcoholic deadbeat uncle who you listen to in order to judge adults, you don't really have much of a saying. Only listen to accomplished people's opinions.

I see that you've got a strong and unforgiving view on this, not implying anything about me, just saying. I could reply to all of it, but I'm intentionally avoiding that, least for now.

I just want to say two things. Firstly, the new generation cannot be held ultimately accountable for its negative aspects or whatever term you want to use. There are many indeed, and many new ones, but it's not simply the generation being at their own fault. Teenagers today, collectively, do not control the media, news, celebrity culture, etc. Indeed there is a huge complex interconnectedness going on, but I don't see how blasting the teenagers in themselves answers everything. It's about the world around us as much as it is about ourselves.

Secondly, dismissing (or doing something similar) past depression in one's life as stupid, trivial or whatever, is effectively disregarding part of one's life, and personally, I see that as not learning anything out of it. Everything in the past leads to now. I'm not talking about destiny or whatever, that is irrelevant. I don't want to chuck months/years of life into the bin while laughing at it. I for sure know more of life as things go on, but it's not some matter of accomplished transcending away from a shitty past self. I don't get it if some people see it as that way. Seeing it as 'it's just how it is, you get past it' is at least very hard, if not impossible for someone with depression, to do. Depression is one perspective, and not being depressed is another.
Neither does anything useful by thinking it can have the last word against the other.


I don't mean any offence honest, just saying my view, and part of my view is that we all have different ideas. We all also think others are wrong, in some way or another. I just have questions of why some think they are right, and therefore better, than others, in some way. I'm not aiming this reply at you directly, with some of what I said.

For the record, I do see many ways which this world is a horrible, crappy one. I hate it in many ways. It does not mean I have an absolute right to be unforgiving in return. Just making sure I avoid some stereotypes, if it looked like I was fitting into any.


[on phone, sorry for the weird line form]

[West Coast Sheriff]

I think the world is adapting and older people do not understand the change.

A handful of teenagers are immature which leads to a misrepresentation that all are. Many teenagers are mature, but in like fashion to other stereotypes, the negative perceptions seem to stick around.

I believe depression is something many people go through and previously has been dismissed as "everyone goes through it". We now look more for answers as to why are adults and teenagers are unhappy. In this study therapists have concluded many people suffer depression. In these adults younger days they were never informed of their depression and therefore believe it to be common.

Perhaps 30 years ago sexual culture was not embraced at a young age. Sexual relations lead to higher maturity levels but if current adults did not experience these relations at a young age, the they may have taken longer to mature and therefore expect current mature teenagers to be less mature than they truly are.

These changes in understanding depressionand maturing at earlier ages afe difficult for adults to rationalize and accept.

[Babs]

Sexual relations lead to higher maturity levels but if current adults did not experience these relations at a young age, the they may have taken longer to mature and therefore expect current mature teenagers to be less mature than they truly are.


that's not always true dog

Sex doesn't make people more or less mature, and you're not gonna have an enlightened perspective after banging a couple times.

While I do think a lot of teenagers aren't given enough credit, I think most think they're a lot more mature than they really are. It's easier to think you know everything, but it's okay to admit you still have a lot to learn.

[Sir Suomi]

Poutine pretty much hit it right on the nail.

Shit I think that's the first time I've even said that

Anyways, to reiterate, adults generally have more experience, because, well, they've kind of been there, done that already (duh). Teenagers are literally a complete clusterfuck of hormones with brains not capable of mature thought process generally. It's no surprise that an adult won't take you seriously on something as silly as saying that you're in love, because more often than not, your "love" tends to die out faster than the Nebraska defense did this last Saturday, which I'm still pissed as hell about mind you.

While I'm not telling you to follow everything adults say and neither am I saying that adults should dismiss you on everything you do say, I think it'd be wise to step back and seriously think about what your elders are trying to convey to you, because normally they're pretty right about what they're talking about.

[tonymontana99]

The obvious reasons being that they want to forget that they're homeless?... And yes, I obviously know that there are a shit ton of dumb ass celebrities exposed to the younger generation through the internet and TV, but there's also a shit ton of celebrities/personalities that teach or inform the younger generation, (Rachel Maddow and all those msnbc reporters, Ellen Degeneres, tons of youtube channels and shit.) Imho, I think that our generation is very intelligent and informed. Tons of things are happening during this time, such as the legalization of gay marriage in the 50 states, the first time that a lot of kids are going to be voting (which is going to cause them to look into politics, running candidates, modern day issues/problems, etc.), tons of gun control propositions that are talked about everywhere. There's so much going on and now, thanks to TV and the internet, (along with libraries and shit), we're able to connect more with this information. So it's not a bad thing that this generation is "pussified" with new technology, it just introduces so much more shit to us.

I agree that with the Internet we can be more updated on current news and events. It can be a good thing and a bad thing at the same time, because there will always be stupid movements created by stupid people (Cut For Bieber, Piss For Equality, Black Lives Matter, etc.). And it can be good because information is power and I'm sure most of us are fed up with the way things are being ruled, especially regarding the elite and banking industry. I hope that as the older Rothschilds and Rockefellers of the world start dying off and our generation takes over, we will see many improvements in quality of life -- maybe we can even get that shithole called Africa to get on its feet. We'll have greater spread of technology, medicine, gun education, science and hopefully an education overhaul that replaces useless disciplines with the disciplines of "tomorrow". I also have the feel that will be more fragmented than ever because of identity politics and general SJW leftist ideology -- and we'll certainly see a lot of crazy shit becoming mainstream (pedophilia, zoophilia, bondage, fetishism, etc.) --, but that's for the other thread.

As for homeless kids doing drugs because they want to forget they're homeless, that's absolutely no excuse and not worthy of defending. It's people shooting themselves up with death. Whether they're homeless or not it's still wrong.



I see that you've got a strong and unforgiving view on this, not implying anything about me, just saying. I could reply to all of it, but I'm intentionally avoiding that, least for now.

I just want to say two things. Firstly, the new generation cannot be held ultimately accountable for its negative aspects or whatever term you want to use. There are many indeed, and many new ones, but
it's not simply the generation being at their own fault. Teenagers today, collectively, do not control the media, news, celebrity culture, etc. Indeed there is a huge complex interconnectedness going on,
but I don't see how blasting the teenagers in themselves answers everything. It's about the world
around us as much as it is about ourselves.

Secondly, dismissing (or doing something similar) past depression in one's life as stupid, trivial or
whatever, is effectively disregarding part of one's life, and personally, I see that as not learning
anything out of it. Everything in the past leads to now. I'm not talking about destiny or whatever, that is irrelevant. I don't want to chuck months/years of life into the bin while laughing at it. I for sure know more of life as things go on, but it's not some matter of accomplished transcending away from a shitty past self. I don't get it if some people see it as that way. Seeing it as 'it's just how it is, you get past it' is at least very hard, if not impossible for someone with depression, to do. Depression is one perspective, and not being depressed is another.
Neither does anything useful by thinking it can have the last word against the other.


I don't mean any offence honest, just saying my view, and part of my view is that we all have different ideas. We all also think others are wrong, in some way or another. I just have questions of why some think they are right, and therefore better, than others, in some way. I'm not aiming this reply at you directly, with some of what I said.

For the record, I do see many ways which this world is a horrible, crappy one. I hate it in many ways. It does not mean I have an absolute right to be unforgiving in return. Just making sure I avoid some stereotypes, if it looked like I was fitting into any.


[on phone, sorry for the weird line form]

I respect your view, but I don't think the world is a shitty place; not at all. We are the ultimate predators in this world and we're above all else, I have great pride in us. We're passing through these dark times but hopefully there's light at the end of the tunnel. Just read my thread about Transhumanism, I'm fucking psyched for the future.

[tonymontana99]

Poutine pretty much hit it right on the nail.

Shit I think that's the first time I've even said that

Anyways, to reiterate, adults generally have more experience, because, well, they've kind of been there, done that already (duh). Teenagers are literally a complete clusterfuck of hormones with brains not capable of mature thought process generally. It's no surprise that an adult won't take you seriously on something as silly as saying that you're in love, because more often than not, your "love" tends to die out faster than the Nebraska defense did this last Saturday, which I'm still pissed as hell about mind you.

While I'm not telling you to follow everything adults say and neither am I saying that adults should dismiss you on everything you do say, I think it'd be wise to step back and seriously think about what your elders are trying to convey to you, because normally they're pretty right about what they're talking about.

This guy gets it.

[sqishy]

I respect your view, but I don't think the world is a shitty place; not at all. We are the ultimate predators in this world and we're above all else, I have great pride in us. We're passing through these dark times but hopefully there's light at the end of the tunnel. Just read my thread about Transhumanism, I'm fucking psyched for the future.

When I mean that the world is a bad place, I mean it in some aspects. It's amazing in others, and in my opinion the world is of complexity beyond anything we can imagine, and so many aspects to it, if not infinitely many. Fundamentally I don't see it as bad at all, but not inherently good either. Again just my views.
Will read that thread again now.