Are you actually serious? 2: Electric Boogaloo

[tonymontana99]

Okay, mods. Round two.

Upon browsing this specified board for quite a few time, I have realized that many of you "identify" with -- shall we say -- "odd" forms of sexual and gender expression...

I'd like to know how many of you support the ideia that there is anything other than Male or Female. Like -- do you actually believe that you can be a panromantic asexual genderfluid demigod -- or is it just a way to escape reality? I am genuinely curious as I have a feeling that most of the people who advocate for this type of stuff have already been diagnosed with some form of mental illness. But maybe I'm just a close minded bigot ;) Can anyone indulge me and kindly enlighten me on why myself and 99.8% of society is wrong, and you are right?

[ImCoolBeans]

Teen Sexuality :arrow: ROTW

This is not a help sections thread, and is more of a debate.

[phuckphace]

all of that gender bendy stuff just reeks of bullshit on its face. not even last Thursday, more like 15 minutes ago, somebody with a libarts degree pulled it out of their backside. the social justice train keeps right on chuggin and after they exhausted the 60s civil rights stuff they flogged gays for a while and now Brucey J. & co. at least black people are real, but they drained the mana pool and had to make something up to continue

[tonymontana99]

all of that gender bendy stuff just reeks of bullshit on its face. not even last Thursday, more like 15 minutes ago, somebody with a libarts degree pulled it out of their backside. the social justice train keeps right on chuggin and after they exhausted the 60s civil rights stuff they flogged gays for a while and now Brucey J. & co. at least black people are real, but they drained the mana pool and had to make something up to continue

I agree. But the worst part, Mein Phürer, is that this specific LGBTQJEWS+ (I'm sorry, I can't resist) group is always bashing normal people, especially if they're straight white males. Not only do they try to shove down our throats their identity politics, but they also ferociously attack anyone who slightly disagrees with them -- people are mocked off stage with buzzwords. Literally. They target comedians, musicians, the movie industry, everyone essentialy. Just look at Anita Sarkeesian and that absolutely not-batshit-insane trangender Zoe Quinn. They went to the UN last September and urged the UN to start demanding goverments that they watch over what's posted online, and to prevent ISPs from providing their services to individuals who disagree with them online. Now, I'm not a specialist in politics, but when Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn pretty much demand a 1984-esque Thought Police to 193 nations at a UN Summit, I can only conclude that our world is quite fucked, indeed.

The worst part is that many leftist websites -- this one even -- pander specifically to these unfortunate people and, as we can see in the Teen Sexuality/Gender board, many people make threads of discovering who they "are," -- most of the times some kind of never-heard-of gender that should now be enforced upon the 99.99% of society who are able to say "Yeah, that's complete bullshit." I'm considering making up an exclusive gender identity of my own so I can get free benefits from the government and good press, since my gender will be so underepresented and misunderstood by all those binary bigots that I'll have to get special treatment. And the worst part is that, thanks to the Internet, these people can now congregate and communicate with each other online, pretty much encouraging each others' mental illnesses and criticising society for not bowing to their non-binary fantasies. So, in essence, you have already mentally ill people encouraging other mentally ill people to rise up against society. That's how death cults start.

In all seriousness, though... How are we supposed to accept these people? I've never been to a pride parade, but Jesus Christ, it has stopped being about pride and is now about acting like a deviant in public -- you can see many photos and videos of these people, the same people who say they're completely normal, wearing latex and fur suits, leashes and chains, gags and other fetishist accessories at these so called "pride" parades. How can we accept them if everytime they congregate, they show the worst about themselves? I've never seen a straight pride parade, or even a parade celebrating fetishes in public. I guess it's only okay if there's a rainblow flag thrown in the middle of it?

And not to mention the already growing protests for pedophile rights, or "pedosexuals," as they call themselves (http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/ and http://www.salon.com/2015/09/30/im_a_pedophile_youre_the_monsters_my_week_inside_the_vile_right_wing_hate_machin e/). Even zoophiles are now saying that, since animals cannot consent to sexual intercourse, it is the human participator who gives consent. But, of course, the slippery slope isn't real!

I dare anyone to google "pride parade," look at the photos, and say "That is completely normal." Give me a break.
The ride never ends...

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[Kirina]

You have a dick, your sex is male. You have a pussy, your sex is female. That's a fact, we know that. However feeling feminine, feeling masculine. This is entierly possible because our mind has no boundaries. Is that really so hard for you to comprehend? These are feelings that humans regardless of biological sex is capable of having.

You can't really compare it to feeling like a demigod or feeling like a wolf. We are humans, we can't be demigods or a wolf, that's not possible. But a boy can behave like a girl, have feminine interests, feel like a girl and then later feel like a boy again. Just as today you may want pizza for dinner and tomorrow you may want something else.

[tonymontana99]

But a boy can behave like a girl, have feminine interests, feel like a girl and then later feel like a boy again. Just as today you may want pizza for dinner and tomorrow you may want something else.

Top tier logic, my friend.

[everlong]

There is male and female. That's it. That's how the world works. The end.

[Kirina]

Top tier logic, my friend.

Nah. It isn't top tier logic, how the brain can work in this way is very.. weird. It doesn't seem logical, but that's the brain in a nutshell and we just have to deal with it.

I do agree with you tho that the parades look quite pathetic.
Their intent is of course awareness, to try and make people understand that other gender identities than male/female are real, but since these parades look so lame it just do more harm for the cause than good.

[Vlerchan]

My social constructs are right and yours are wrong, you utter degenerate.

Why am I even bothering to respond to this thread?

[Pat the Bunny]

There is male and female. That's it. That's how the world works. The end.

There is indeed male and female. There is also male who feels like female and female who feels like male. Those people can be attracted to different genders, in different ways. That´s how the world works the end.

EDIT: BTW Tony, what forms of sexual and gender identification do you think are bullshit?

[ImCoolBeans]

Let's keep this thread on topic and respectful. If you're going to be disrespectful or rude toward other members and their beliefs, further action will be taken.

[tonymontana99]

There is indeed male and female. There is also male who feels like female and female who feels like male. Those people can be attracted to different genders, in different ways. That´s how the world works the end.

EDIT: BTW Tony, what forms of sexual and gender identification do you think are bullshit?

First of all, regarding the "There is also male who feels like female and female who feels like male" part, just because they say they're a different gender from who they are doesn't make it real. Most of these Tumblr-tier lunatics don't even suffer from gender dysphoria -- it's one of those buzzwords they read off a post and have an "epiphany" and say "Wow, this is who I am!".

Now, what forms of gender are bullshit? Anything other than Male or Female. Being genderqueer, transgender, trigender, tetragender, bigender or whatever is either attention-whoring or mental illness. I don't really understand how you can actually be defending people who believe they can be other species, other genders, other-whatever -- it's an incredible amount of lunacy and the fact that we have websites providing "safe spaces" to these people instead of smacking them to their senses is worrying. 35 years from now everyone will be walking on eggshells in public trying not to offend the new oppressed sexual minority by being forced to use whatever pronouns they want.

[tonymontana99]

You can't really compare it to feeling like a demigod or feeling like a wolf. We are humans, we can't be demigods or a wolf, that's not possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y1GbBhu9hA

http://static4.fjcdn.com/comments/Sure+would+you+with+_1632349e80f70ae60164599a06064e38.jpg

[Kirina]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y1GbBhu9hA

I said already that otherkin is bullshit. Because we can't be something other than human. We can't be or even identify as a God. If they were a God they be able to prove it, if they don't have powers but just identify as a God that means they know how a God thinks. That is of course impossible, we can't understand/relate to a God's mindset (or even that of a wolf). So otherkin is bullshit, doesn't make sense. We are not capable of having these feelings so anyone who says they feel like a wolf are only pretending because they don't REALLY know how it feels to be a wolf.

BUT humans ARE capable of relating to and feeling like another gender, that IS something we understand, so transgender makes sense.

35 years from now everyone will be walking on eggshells in public trying not to offend the new oppressed sexual minority by being forced to use whatever pronouns they want.Of course people will be offended, but this is even the case now for like anything in life and it doesn't really matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceS_jkKjIgo

[tonymontana99]

I said already that otherkin is bullshit. Because we can't be something other than human. We can't be or even identify as a God. If they were a God they be able to prove it, if they don't have powers but just identify as a God that means they know how a God thinks. That is of course impossible, we can't understand/relate to a God's mindset (or even that of a wolf). So otherkin is bullshit, doesn't make sense. We are not capable of having these feelings so anyone who says they feel like a wolf are only pretending because they don't REALLY know how it feels to be a wolf.

BUT humans ARE capable of relating to and feeling like another gender, that IS something we understand, so transgender makes sense.

Who are you to say we can't be wolves or pigeons or staplers? You know how oppresive and triggering it is to create online accounts and having to solve a racist riddle to "prove" you're human? Society itself is rigged to discriminate -kin people. We need to have identity politics and extend the law to guarantee the freedom of every individual by forcing them to behave in public and not to trigger others!

"Seriously, BUT humans ARE capable of relating to and feeling like another SPECIES, that IS something we understand, so otherkin makes sense. We live surrounded by animals and Nature all the time, we keep pets and depend on animals, who are YOU to say we cannot be mongolian death worms if that is our true identity?"

(You see the pattern here? You apply the rule once, you apply it to everything.)

We are not capable of having these feelings so anyone who says they feel like another gender are only pretending because they don't REALLY know how it feels to be another gender.

https://i.imgur.com/o11SZev.jpg

[Vlerchan]

We are not capable of having these feelings so anyone who says they feel like another gender are only pretending because they don't REALLY know how it feels to be another gender.
People that are transgender feel more aligned with the cultural expectations and roles of people of the opposite sex. No-one is claiming to feel like a woman in the sense it's used - not even cisgender woman - because woman are not some homogenous monolithic species. It's an association with an idea.

[tonymontana99]

People that are transgender feel more aligned with the cultural expectations and roles of people of the opposite sex. No-one is claiming to feel like a woman in the sense it's used - not even cisgender woman - because woman are not some homogenous monolithic species. It's an association with an idea.

How can they align with cultural expectations if women aren't some homogeneous monolithic species and gender and race are "social constructs"? I'd bet that if a supposed man with gender dysphoria woke up in a country that allows female genital mutilation, he'd immediately drop his bullshit and get in line with the other men. Hypothetically, if we were to live in a homogeneous, social construct-free society where everyone was equal, would they still insist they are the opposite sex?

[Vlerchan]

How can they align with cultural expectations if women aren't some homogeneous monolithic species and gender and race are "social constructs"?
Because even if woman aren't a monolithic block there's still general expectations as to how woman should act.

Gender and race being social constructs doesn't inhibit this argument at all. I have no idea why you think it does.

I'd bet that if a supposed man with gender dysphoria woke up in a country that allows female genital mutilation, he'd immediately drop his bullshit and get in line with the other men.
Ok. It doesn't make a difference to me what you think about Trans-people.

Hypothetically, if we were to live in a homogeneous, social construct-free society where everyone was equal, would they still insist they are the opposite sex?

Transgender people identify with the gender associated with the opposite sex. Not their sex. Transexuals are people that associate with the gender associated with the opposite sex and then feel sex re-alignment is required in order to fit the mould. I don't agree with the latter.

In a world without social construction of gender people wouldn't feel inclined to identify with the opposite gender, no. That's because these conceptions wouldn't exist.

[tonymontana99]

Because even if woman aren't a monolithic block there's still general expectations as to how woman should act.

Gender and race being social constructs doesn't inhibit this argument at all. I have no idea why you think it does.


Ok. It doesn't make a difference to me what you think about Trans-people.


Transgender people identify with the gender associated with the opposite sex. Not their sex. Transexuals are people that associate with the gender associated with the opposite sex and then feel sex re-alignment is required in order to fit the mould. I don't agree with the latter.

In a world without social construction of gender people wouldn't feel inclined to identify with the opposite gender, no. That's because these conceptions wouldn't exist.

Do you advocate for a world without "social construction"?

[Vlerchan]

Do you advocate for a world without "social construction"?
No. Lots of social construction is useful.

I don't see the need for the construction of specific gender roles though.

[Miserabilia]

There's something I want to explain here but it's kinda difficult so I'll try to keep it simple.

SO biologicaly there are two sexes. There's also a very very small amount of people with for example a different number of X and Y chromosomes that don't apply as either, or people born without genetalia, etc.

I think it's acceptable for a man to feel a woman and a woman a man, I don't think that's a choice I think it's just something that's different in their brain. It's incredibly damaging to those people to ridicule that because it's such a huge part of them, because sex/gender is a large part of our culture.

I wish culure was a little less binary; I know I'm going to sound incredibly sjw/tumblr but hear me out.
The thing about pink being girly certain toys being girly and clothes being either masculine or feminine, etc, bothers me slightly. I wish it would be more acceptable to dress in a combination of clothing for example, because why not? The way it is now theres a decent amount of pressure especialy for teenagers to dres and act as what is thought appropriate for your gender.

But, that is just a wish. I know it isn't actualy achievable.
What really bothers me, is the people claiming to be demi something, or basicly make up something that is close to being trans but is not it;
basicly there's people don't experience gender dysmorphia but just want to be part girl or part boy.
What they're really doing though is just being more feminine or more masculine; I wish it would be accetable to say that, but thanks to tumblr it's not, you are magicaly a gender bender when you dress/act femininly as a guy or the other way around.

These demigender people etc are basicly making fun of actal trans people.

This is kind of shittily written post but I"m kind of tired and stoned so bye

[tonymontana99]

There's something I want to explain here but it's kinda difficult so I'll try to keep it simple.

SO biologicaly there are two sexes. There's also a very very small amount of people with for example a different number of X and Y chromosomes that don't apply as either, or people born without genetalia, etc.

I think it's acceptable for a man to feel a woman and a woman a man, I don't think that's a choice I think it's just something that's different in their brain. It's incredibly damaging to those people to ridicule that because it's such a huge part of them, because sex/gender is a large part of our culture.

I wish culure was a little less binary; I know I'm going to sound incredibly sjw/tumblr but hear me out.
The thing about pink being girly certain toys being girly and clothes being either masculine or feminine, etc, bothers me slightly. I wish it would be more acceptable to dress in a combination of clothing for example, because why not? The way it is now theres a decent amount of pressure especialy for teenagers to dres and act as what is thought appropriate for your gender.

But, that is just a wish. I know it isn't actualy achievable.
What really bothers me, is the people claiming to be demi something, or basicly make up something that is close to being trans but is not it;
basicly there's people don't experience gender dysmorphia but just want to be part girl or part boy.
What they're really doing though is just being more feminine or more masculine; I wish it would be accetable to say that, but thanks to tumblr it's not, you are magicaly a gender bender when you dress/act femininly as a guy or the other way around.

These demigender people etc are basicly making fun of actal trans people.

This is kind of shittily written post but I"m kind of tired and stoned so bye


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[Fractured Silhouette]

*Looks at thread*

*Raises eyebrow*

Apparently I don't actually exist.

Sweet.

I honestly can't tell if the OP is just trolling or if he legitimately believes that gender dysphoria doesn't actually exist. Or both.
Look dude, you've clearly done next to no research for your argument. Tumblr doesn't count as research btw. If you're not gonna put any effort into researching this before you state your argument then you shouldn't be here.

Here are some tips for debating:

1. Don't pull statistics out of your arse.

2. Back up your argument with research.

3. Consider both sides of the argument.

Like the minimum you could do before you start telling other people how they should or shouldn't feel is Google the topic.

[tonymontana99]

*Looks at thread*

*Raises eyebrow*

Apparently I don't actually exist.

Sweet.

I honestly can't tell if the OP is just trolling or if he legitimately believes that gender dysphoria doesn't actually exist. Or both.
Look dude, you've clearly done next to no research for your argument. Tumblr doesn't count as research btw. If you're not gonna put any effort into researching this before you state your argument then you shouldn't be here.

Here are some tips for debating:

1. Don't pull statistics out of your arse.

2. Back up your argument with research.

3. Consider both sides of the argument.

Like the minimum you could do before you start telling other people how they should or shouldn't feel is Google the topic.

Your gender dysphoria exists -- I absolutely agree with you. However, the gender you believe you are doesn't actually exist. I mean, transgender MtF, how is that even a thing? Not trying to be disrespectful, but come on... No matter how much surgery, makeup or hormones you take, you'll still be a man. Perhaps a really feminine and hot man, but still a man with XY chromosomes. Oh, and take a look at the picture I posted above -- be really, really honest with me -- do you actually believe ALL of those exist?

[Sir Suomi]

I disagree with the ideology completely. In my opinion, no one can "identify" as a male while being female and be treated as such, similar to how I can't "identify" as President Obama and walk into the White House. However, as long as they mind their own business, don't strut it around for the whole world to see, and don't demand that I make any changes to my lifestyle, I'm alright with someone who wishes to "identify" with the opposite gender.

[tonymontana99]

I disagree with the ideology completely. In my opinion, no one can "identify" as a male while being female and be treated as such, similar to how I can't "identify" as President Obama and walk into the White House. However, as long as they mind their own business, don't strut it around for the whole world to see, and don't demand that I make any changes to my lifestyle, I'm alright with someone who wishes to "identify" with the opposite gender.

The problem with these people is that want all of us to bow to them and be forced to accept them. They will not stop until there is a [insert made-up gender here] person in every office of every building of every state; and if there aren't, they're going to bitch and scream about sexism and patriarchy until we eventually say "Fine, here's your damn job. Now shut the fuck up." I also wouldn't mind them existing as long as they didn't try to push their demented agenda on me -- but they do. They push it to all of us. We'll soon have companies being brought to court for not accepting these people -- even if they just weren't genuinely suited for the job. There will have to be mandatory quotas in companies so we don't hurt dem feelz -- so even if I have an MBA from Harvard and am a successful employee, a company will still need to hire a transgender before me so they don't get mad at the patriarchy, even if "she"/"he" is an unproductive employee.

[Fractured Silhouette]

The problem with these people is that want all of us to bow to them and be forced to accept them. They will not stop until there is a [insert made-up gender here] person in every office of every building of every state; and if there aren't, they're going to bitch and scream about sexism and patriarchy until we eventually say "Fine, here's your damn job. Now shut the fuck up." I also wouldn't mind them existing as long as they didn't try to push their demented agenda on me -- but they do. They push it to all of us. We'll soon have companies being brought to court for not accepting these people -- even if they just weren't genuinely suited for the job. There will have to be mandatory quotas in companies so we don't hurt dem feelz -- so even if I have an MBA from Harvard and am a successful employee, a company will still need to hire a transgender before me so they don't get mad at the patriarchy, even if "she"/"he" is an unproductive employee.

Examples of this happening in the real world?
Links?
Proof?

Seriously stop browsing the trans blogs on Tumblr; it'll do you a lot of good.

[dxcxdzv]

I think there is a difference between the sexual (biological) gender and the identity gender.
And you seem to mix both of them, Tony.

[tonymontana99]

Examples of this happening in the real world?
Links?
Proof?

Seriously stop browsing the trans blogs on Tumblr; it'll do you a lot of good.

I don't browse trans blogs on Tumblr, even though I'm sure they're funnier than a headless chicken bouncing around. But I do read a lot of crazy trans/SJW articles on the media. I can't give you links for companies being sued for not hiring transwomen -- that's just speculation --, but with the way these people scream about the evil patriarchy and mysogyny in everything, I'll bet we'll see that in the coming months. How else will we achieve "equality" if there aren't mandatory placement quotas on every single company, so every person of every gender is equally represented? Mr. Bones' Wild Ride never ends.

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1444207378965.png

[Fractured Silhouette]

I absolutely agree with you. However, the gender you believe you are doesn't actually exist. I mean, transgender MtF, how is that even a thing? Not trying to be disrespectful, but come on... No matter how much surgery, makeup or hormones you take, you'll still be a man. Perhaps a really feminine and hot man, but still a man with XY chromosomes. Oh, and take a look at the picture I posted above -- be really, really honest with me -- do you actually believe ALL of those exist?

Actually no matter how much I change my physical appearance I'll always be me, and if I don't look like a man, how is anyone supposed to define me as such unless I tell them or pull down my pants? Gender doesn't exist outside of a way to label people by what they see or have been told. I chose to be labeled as MtF transgender on this site because my life finally made sense and allowed people on this site to make assumptions about me that I agree with because I trust them. That is literally the only reason. I don't care what gender I'm labelled as, I just want to feel comfortable in my own skin and I have confirmed I can only do that while appearing female. It's not like I can force anyone to call me a girl. ...and no I can't be a man, I've tried my whole life and I still suck at it.

I do indeed have a Y chromosome that determined by biological sex, and it took me forever to figure out why exactly I seemed to act and and look different from every guy I knew. Scientists (http://www.majickalproductions.biz/bekasite/resouces/In-Womb%20Development.htm) have (http://transascity.org/the-transgender-brain/) theorized (https://www.quora.com/What-causes-a-person-to-be-transgender) that during fetal development (between the 8-12 week mark) that a hormonal imbalance can cause a developing brain and body to not conform to the correct gender. Which is why a lot of people can figure out they're transgender from an early age. Hell, there are even people born with XXY chromosomes, imagine what they have to deal with.

I can't speak for all trans people, but I have literally acted feminine on instinct from birth and I could never understand why, only that I was wrong in behaving this way because of my sex.

I was a very "girly" child (for lack of a better word), with feminine features and feminine interests but because I was born with a dick, it was conform or be isolated. If I was just allowed to be myself (as apposed to what my sex defined me as), I might not be in a situation where I have endure constant mental anguish from myself and others and I might've been happy. ...but because of what I was labeled I had endure constant ridicule and pain. I imagine a lot of trans people had to endure something similar. Now tell me that transgender labels shouldn't exist for kids like that.

It is a fact that having Male and Female as the only gender labels in society does not account for everyone, therefore new ones are required in order for people to make assumptions based on situations where gender is important, like sex, childbirth and relationships.

As for that image, if they only exist inside the heads of those that believe they identify them, it doesn't matter. Up until a point were it has an impact outside of the internet nobody is going to care outside of a few individuals that exist on the web. No one is shoving anything down your throat. It's literally impossible to do on the internet, because ignoring people online is the easiest thing in the entire world to do. I'm only going to be able to label people as I perceive them, so up until that point they could identify as a demon walrus-eagle from the depths of Gh'arrghull for all I care.

But I do read a lot of crazy trans/SJW articles on the media.

Yet not a link in sight, huh.

I can't give you links for companies being sued for not hiring transwomen -- that's just speculation --, but with the way these people scream about the evil patriarchy and mysogyny in everything, I'll bet we'll see that in the coming months.

The reason you can't provide links is because it doesn't happen. You seem to think arguments on the internet exist in the real world. Nobody is going to chastise you for using the wrong pronouns in the real world. Nobody is going to sue unless the company is actually being transphobic. I literally googled searched this stuff and got nothing, and if that did happen you know for a fact it would've come straight up. I am literally doing your research for you in attempt to justify your argument in any way. All you've done is post images you probably found on Google images of random crap that may not even be real for all I know.

As far as I have seen, trans people just want to be treated like normal people of their gender and nothing more. Feel free to provide me with any links (not images) that show a trans person asking for special treatment in the workplace.

Here's what you need to do. Stop caring about what people want to identify as on the internet, because unless you want to have a relationship with them, it does not matter in the slightest. If you stop caring about these people, you'll find that they slowly start to vanish because they've stopped getting hate therefore there is no reason for them to exist anymore because they've stopped getting attention. It's ironic that you complain about these genders existing but the only reason they are so prominent is because of all the complaining and hate they receive.

[tonymontana99]

Actually no matter how much I change my physical appearance I'll always be me, and if I don't look like a man, how is anyone supposed to define me as such unless I tell them or pull down my pants? Gender doesn't exist outside of a way to label people by what they see or have been told. I chose to be labeled as MtF transgender on this site because my life finally made sense and allowed people on this site to make assumptions about me that I agree with because I trust them. That is literally the only reason. I don't care what gender I'm labelled as, I just want to feel comfortable in my own skin and I have confirmed I can only do that while appearing female. It's not like I can force anyone to call me a girl. ...and no I can't be a man, I've tried my whole life and I still suck at it.

I do indeed have a Y chromosome that determined by biological sex, and it took me forever to figure out why exactly I seemed to act and and look different from every guy I knew. Scientists (http://www.majickalproductions.biz/bekasite/resouces/In-Womb%20Development.htm) have (http://transascity.org/the-transgender-brain/) theorized (https://www.quora.com/What-causes-a-person-to-be-transgender) that during fetal development (between the 8-12 week mark) that a hormonal imbalance can cause a developing brain and body to not conform to the correct gender. Which is why a lot of people can figure out they're transgender from an early age. Hell, there are even people born with XXY chromosomes, imagine what they have to deal with.

I can't speak for all trans people, but I have literally acted feminine on instinct from birth and I could never understand why, only that I was wrong in behaving this way because of my sex.

I was a very "girly" child (for lack of a better word), with feminine features and feminine interests but because I was born with a dick, it was conform or be isolated. If I was just allowed to be myself (as apposed to what my sex defined me as), I might not be in a situation where I have endure constant mental anguish from myself and others and I might've been happy. ...but because of what I was labeled I had endure constant ridicule and pain. I imagine a lot of trans people had to endure something similar. Now tell me that transgender labels shouldn't exist for kids like that.

It is a face that having Male and Female as the only gender labels in society does not account for everyone, therefore new ones are required in order for people to make assumptions based on situations where gender is important, like sex, childbirth and relationships.

As for that image, if they only exist inside the heads of those that believe they identify them, it doesn't matter. Up until a point were it has an impact outside of the internet nobody is going to care outside of a few individuals that exist on the web. No one is shoving anything down your throat. It's literally impossible to do on the internet, because ignoring people online is the easiest thing in the entire world to do. I'm only going to be able to label people as I perceive them, so up until that point they could identify as a demon walrus-eagle from the depths of Gh'arrghull for all I care.



Yet not a link in sight, huh.



The reason you can't provide links is because it doesn't happen. You seem to think arguments on the internet exist in the real world. Nobody is going to chastise you for using the wrong pronouns in the real world. Nobody is going to sue unless the company is actually being transphobic. I literally googled searched this stuff and got nothing, and if that did happen you know for a fact it would've come straight up. I am literally doing your research for you in attempt to justify your argument in any way. All you've done is post images you probably found on Google images of random crap that may not even be real for all I know.

As far as I have seen, trans people just want to be treated like normal people of their gender and nothing more. Feel free to provide me with any links (not images) that show a trans person asking for special treatment in the workplace.

Here's what you need to do. Stop caring about what people want to identify as on the internet, because unless you want to have a relationship with them, it does not matter in the slightest. If you stop caring about these people, you'll find that they slowly start to vanish because they've stopped getting hate therefore there is no reason for them to exist anymore because they've stopped getting attention. It's ironic that you complain about these genders existing but the only reason they are so prominent is because of all the complaining and hate they receive.

Speak for yourself that all you want is to be left alone. The Tumblr-tier feminists/transgenders want to force us to use their pronouns ('xir' and all that crap). And some of them post those digusting "cis male tears" pictures of them drinking water from mugs. Does that sound reasonable to you? I don't care if they identify with a man or an attack helicopter, but the moment they start pushing their "acceptance" to the corporate environment and demand us to refer to them by 'xir' and all that shit is when you stop listening to them and just dimiss them as lunatics. But you should be proud of yourself, you'll win this time.

[Sugaree]

TRIGGER WARNING: OPINIONS

I have no problem with transgender individuals. If I know they are transgender and want me to use specific pronouns, then that's fine. If you're nice to me, I'm nice to you. But it seems like there's a new gender coming out every other day, and it's ridiculous. The mental gymnastics required to be "tolerant" and "accepting" of such genders is ridiculous and fucking stupid. Forcing people to do something isn't the way of gaining equal standing in society. Have you ever noticed that people who talk shit and force their wills on others never really go far, while people who are respectful and want to talk through differences of opinion become successful and admired? This is why this third wave/Tumblr feminism is - to use a term they like - toxic. The word "feminist" is no longer the same word it was over one hundred years ago during suffrage. If these new feminists were to talk to Susan B. Anthony or the suffragettes of yore, they would be astounded that their predecessors were agents of the supposed patriarchy and proclaim them to be shitlords. Second wavers, like Christina Hoff Summers, actually look for equality of all genders, but they don't want it to be forced down the throats of everyone. They stand for equality of opportunity, not outcome. That's the difference between modern day/third wave feminists and true feminists.

When it comes to gender roles, I don't think they really exist in the modern world. There's plenty of single dads and moms who have to take on the roles of two parents. Men can cook, clean, and do laundry just like women can work a full time career, be home at 5 and drink beer. Gender roles aren't so much societal as they are personal. If you have the expectation, as a man, to be the breadwinner, then that's your personal expectation of yourself. If you have the expectation, as a woman, to be a caretaker of home and child, that's your personal expectation of yourself. But looking deeper, do genders, as they exist on the biological level, really have predetermined roles?

[Sir Suomi]

But looking deeper, do genders, as they exist on the biological level, really have predetermined roles?

Here's where I'd disagree, at least from an objective point of view. Basic biology has hardwired the average male to be able to do more physically demanding activities, have better sense of direction/location, and are even wired to be able to tune out things we deem not needing to be heard. Females, on the other hand, are more wired for flexibility, are more verbally fluent, and tend to have better memories.

It's not hard to say that biologically males and females do technically have different aspects of life that they do better at than the opposite sex. This isn't saying that one sex can't do what the other sex can do (outside of childbirth, duh), it just means that evolution has made us fit into very general positions.

Also, this has been bugging me Fractured Silhouette, but is your avatar the one character from Assassination Classroom?