KKK and Black Panthers

[Vermilion]

So I watched a documentary that showed both sides of the extreme. So before I start this isn't a racist rant. I want a nice honest debate over people's views on both groups and if they should be allowed to continue. I strongly believe both sides preach hate to other races of people and to me that's not on. I believe people need to see past skin colour and see we are humans. I'm going to ask to keep this about skin colour and the groups I listed and not region as that's a another problem we as a generation we need to fix and work out.

so a white person shouting white power is wrong and we all agree with that ? so is it ok for people to shout black power ?
plus your thoughts on the groups above

I want honest replies and I don't want people saying each other is racist or I will have this taken down.

I know this won't change the world or anything but is we as a group on here can talk and respect each other we know that there is a chance in the future for a peaceful solution.

[Stronk Serb]

Both are freacking hilarious, here is how I break them down.

Panthers- preach hatred of whites in a language native to the white population while wearing clothes first worn by whites, using flags which were (I think, feel free to prove me otherwise) first used by whites etc.

KKK- preach of hatred to non-whites, non-protestants while disregarding the fact that Jesus looked more like an ancient Jew than an European and some chapters bash on Jews too. I mean, hate Jews and everything but to worship a heretic Jew while hating Jews causes my brain to overload because it encountered a fatal error.

[phuckphace]

I'm pretty sure the black panthers believe Jesus was literally a black Muslim from outer space or something

[Just JT]

I think both groups are all about hate, and have no purpose on earth, haters should any hate each other, and work towards eliminating their own hate.
Imagine how life would be if that was accurate...

[Porpoise101]

Both suck. Asian power instead!!! Revive the Red Guard!

[Stronk Serb]

Both suck. Asian power instead!!! Revive the Red Guard!

Red Guard as in the Chinese Communist Party Red Guards?

Honestly, the Black Panthers are the more hilarious group because they preach white hatred even though their everyday lives are full of things invented by white people. I'm in Europe so I don't know how it is exactly, Serbia is ethnically homogenous enough so we don't have problems like that.

[Porpoise101]

Red Guard as in the Chinese Communist Party Red Guards?

Honestly, the Black Panthers are the more hilarious group because they preach white hatred even though their everyday lives are full of things invented by white people. I'm in Europe so I don't know how it is exactly, Serbia is ethnically homogenous enough so we don't have problems like that.
Yes I was referring to them because they were an iconic Asian (Chinese) supremacy group with state sponsorship. Maybe the closest that Asia has had for an organised group that preaches supremacy is the Muslim Brotherhood, but that's only in a small region of Asia.

To me, the Nation of Islam is even more ridiculous than the black panthers. These pan-African groups seem really stupid to me as African ethnic divides are probably as significant (or more) than they are in Europe. But that is probably why a group like the KKK or black panthers never have shown up in Asia or abroad to the extent of these two groups, as Asia is a massive place with so many traditions. In a way it is stupid because in the US, the Hmong (the poorest ethnic group), the Indians (the richest), and Kazakhs (totally different) all tick the same box on the American census.

[James Dean]

This thread is so full of hate. To compare the black panthers to the KKK and some people saying the black panthers are worse? Smh.

The black panthers racist? Omg you guys need to do more research.

I do agree There are SOME certain black panther organizations that do say hateful things towards whites, but it's mostly in retaliation and defense.

The KKK wants to keep the white race pure.

The black panthers for the most part, just want equal opportunities for black youth so that they can go to college, graduate HS, get away from gangs and drug abuse, and that they aren't mis fairly treated by the government, such as police brutality that is unwarranted.

We don't have the power to be racist, the KKK do. There are KKK actors, politicians, CEOs and inventors, video game developers, religious clergy, doctors, lawyers, etc.

The black panthers are usually black veterans or black college students who have gone on to study African American culture and are disgusted by how blacks and more importantly black youth are treated.

[phuckphace]

the KKK has waned significantly over the years, and mainly exist in a few scattered rural areas. although they certainly no longer possess the amount of influence and numbers they once had, they're an indispensable part of the mainstream media narrative that has to present a white villain to foil the dreams of all those would-be physicists and doctors currently in gangs because of racism.

for all the influence supposedly still held by crypto-Klansmen at the top, 2015 America is vanishingly less white and far gayer than you'd expect. maybe they're just really good at hiding it or something.

[James Dean]

the KKK has waned significantly over the years, and mainly exist in a few scattered rural areas. although they certainly no longer possess the amount of influence and numbers they once had, they're an indispensable part of the mainstream media narrative that has to present a white villain to foil the dreams of all those would-be physicists and doctors currently in gangs because of racism.

for all the influence supposedly still held by crypto-Klansmen at the top, 2015 America is vanishingly less white and far gayer than you'd expect. maybe they're just really good at hiding it or something.

Smh, lord jesus.

KKK I know has at least ten thousand or so active members, maybe more and an endless amount of subgroup members or those who are nazi supremacist. What do you mean rural? America is America. It seems nowadays it's Country first, and states are just names for different areas. We no longer have separate state rules and usually Montgomery has the same laws and ethics as Los Angeles, and Chattanooga has the same laws as Boston. What the KKK does in Kentucky, has the same effect for those that live in Illinois. It doesn't matter.

I do agree there aren't that much of them, and there are strength in numbers, but the KKK is still very much active and they have a hell of a lot of control. The scary part is that the both of us don't' know when and how they will act upon their control, but they do have control and just because you don't see it, doesn't mean they don't have it.

I know that not all white people are villains, what do you take me for? I love everybody of all races and sexualities. I'm just saying the KKK is active and they run the media too so they will manipulate it and use reverse psychology to appease all. They make sure all news stories are equally covered. If ten white on black shootings are publicized, they make sure that they show a black on white shooting, but the person was a white cop, or a politician or a VIP person.

Gay marriage is legal yes, but there are also homosexual KKK members. :eek: Yes. So that's why there really isn't that much outrage over gay rights issues. And churches can still refuse to marry LGBT individuals. Me being gay I know about these things.. But I'm so black, and that comes first. There is still lots, if not more racial tension in America now. Companies can still have the legal right to refuse service to LGBT and Black, asian etc. individuals.

So yes they are good at hiding it, and I explained why.

[Porpoise101]

What do you mean rural? America is America. It seems nowadays it's Country first, and states are just names for different areas. We no longer have separate state rules and usually Montgomery has the same laws and ethics as Los Angeles, and Chattanooga has the same laws as Boston. What the KKK does in Kentucky, has the same effect for those that live in Illinois. It doesn't matter.


As long as places are separated by distance and time it will matter more or less on where you are.

Otherwise I will say that the feds disassembled black panthers and not KKK. But I guess they did do that in reconstruction times so yeah... They have pretty much received equal treatment except the panthers got messed up more recently.

[phuckphace]

oh jesus 10,000 people that's like 0.003% of our population, a hillbilly Illuminati that pulls the strings lol. yep I can totally see it - the justices of SCOTUS donned their white robes & pointy hoods, burned some crosses, lynched a few Negroes and then changed back into their black judicial garb and affirmed a constitutional right to gay marriage so nobody would find out. US public sector although being run by literal klansmen is also curiously the largest employer of African Americans in the country. I guess the KKK shadow government shares my appreciation of irony. if we pass affirmative action measures and hire a bunch of black people, nobody will find out that we run the show & are totally racist!

the KKK doesn't "run the media", that's a doofus conspiracy theory. the KKK members that do exist are proles from backwater shitholes that can only get dial-up in the trailer house. they have no serious influence. seriously you sound like tonymontana going on about the Jews running everything lol

[James Dean]

KKK members are not hillbilly rednecks with bad teeth and are always barefoot.

90% of them are politicians, government workers, religious clergy, news journalists, sports personalities, doctors, lawyers, television producers, teachers, cops, judges.

The other 10 percent are probably those who are middle class working individuals in the south, but still show power in other ways. By refusing to hire blacks to work for their companies and factories and eat at their restaurants.

This is the last time I'm going to mention this to you.

Affirmative action exists, but not many companies use it.

And the jewish community does run many things. How do you explain the kosher food section in every grocery store?

[phuckphace]

KKK members are not hillbilly rednecks with bad teeth and are always barefoot.

90% of them are politicians, government workers, religious clergy, news journalists, sports personalities, doctors, lawyers, television producers, teachers, cops, judges.

The other 10 percent are probably those who are middle class working individuals in the south, but still show power in other ways. By refusing to hire blacks to work for their companies and factories and eat at their restaurants.

This is the last time I'm going to mention this to you.

Affirmative action exists, but not many companies use it.

And the jewish community does run many things. How do you explain the kosher food section in every grocery store?

dude, come on. who are these people, do they have names? keep on droning about all these phantom Klansmen who totally influence everything but just ignore the fact that our society has been on a liberal, progressive trend for decades now. you try to claim that a tiny handful of KKK guys, whoever they are, run things but don't have an answer for our black president and his legions of black civil servants, or the mere existence of affirmative action, or the total lack of segregated facilities and other obvious things that you'd expect to see if your conspiracy was true. I guess it was a hectic day at Klan HQ and somebody just plumb forgot to rig the voting machines to defeat Obama. you don't have an answer for all the cash we send to Israel every year (totally something an antisemitic racist cabal would do). "well black people sometimes get discriminated against in hiring therefore Klansmen run everything" is your post in a nutshell.

as for the jew thing you'll have to ask tonymontana, he's covertly intercepting their plans as we speak

[Porpoise101]

KKK members are not hillbilly rednecks with bad teeth and are always barefoot.

90% of them are politicians, government workers, religious clergy, news journalists, sports personalities, doctors, lawyers, television producers, teachers, cops, judges.

The other 10 percent are probably those who are middle class working individuals in the south, but still show power in other ways. By refusing to hire blacks to work for their companies and factories and eat at their restaurants.

This is the last time I'm going to mention this to you.

Affirmative action exists, but not many companies use it.

And the jewish community does run many things. How do you explain the kosher food section in every grocery store?

Ok my friend I'm pretty sure the only government workers in KKK are undercover FBI agents who are there to make sure they don't mess with people. Vice News did a report on them and they found that the majority of the members are retired army vets who were rejected or refused by the military. The KKK is just a joke nowadays no one cares. The Jews have a kosher section because there is a demand for kosher foods. Just like how where I live there are vegetarian and halal foods for the immigrants in my local area. All of your arguement is pretty ridiculous and you don't even back up your claims with even anecdotal evidence.

[Jaffe]

I don't think it is a question of right and/or wrong.

I would like to be able to say that hate is "wrong". But I can't, because I don't believe it is wrong. It is an emotion, which creates an opinion. Nothing more.

I don't like that anyone hates on anyone else, white black yellow brown or red. Makes no difference. Or for that matter, gay or straight, or man or woman, or christian or islam or hindu, or green or blue! Geez, we are all different, but somehow humans -- or societies -- have decided that hating on another group makes them better, or safer, or ... something.

I have no right to tell someone they cannot hate. They have the right to be who they are and to think how they think and to speak how they wish. As long as they do not hurt anyone, they are entitled to that opinion, that emotion.

[phuckphace]

tbh I couldn't care less if the Black Pathers are in fact a racist/black-supremacist organization that despises whites, in our current sociopolitical climate I'd expect nothing less than lots of mutual loathing flying around. it's just really absurd to pretend that whites alone hold "the institutional power to be racist" as if you have to be wealthy and powerful to hold racist sentiments. I've noted before that many of the whites who do hold economic power tend to be quite on board with the idea of making money however they can - even if it includes breaking up white communities and laying off white workers to save their bonuses. they're deracinated opportunists with no racial or national allegiance to anything, only the pursuit of money. their amoral character is clearly reflected in the dreck they peddle to consumers.

it seems a lot of people still have a picture of the ruling elite in their minds as being ultra-WASP Orville Redenbacher shitlords who wear suspenders and bring their Bible to a board meeting. those dinosaurs went extinct a long time ago.

[Sir Suomi]

it seems a lot of people still have a picture of the ruling elite in their minds as being ultra-WASP Orville Redenbacher shitlords who wear suspenders and bring their Bible to a board meeting. those dinosaurs went extinct a long time ago.


You'd be surprised at how many suspender-wearing Bible-quoting people we have here in Nebraska...

[phuckphace]

again it's obvious from looking at our social conditions that white racists don't run things as they once did. if they did, we wouldn't be living in a Mad Max ruin and I wouldn't need to L.A.R.P. the 50's erryday

[James Dean]

again it's obvious from looking at our social conditions that white racists don't run things as they once did. if they did, we wouldn't be living in a Mad Max ruin and I wouldn't need to L.A.R.P. the 50's erryday

I blame technology and ignorant parents not teaching their kids right from wrong, teaching them discipline or ethics or values.

[Sir Suomi]

Surprised Montana hasn't come in blaming the Jews yet...

Or Phuck the Libertarians...

[phuckphace]

Surprised Montana hasn't come in blaming the Jews yet...

Or Phuck the Libertarians...

I can't actually blame lolbertarians for very much since they have no real influence (and fortunately will stay that way.) the Racism Industrial Complex is one of the culprits here. I seriously don't know how someone could take a look at this ultra-gay, ultra-emasculated clownworld of ours and somehow conclude that a bunch of big mean fundamentalist KKK racists hold ~all the cards~ as if the Civil War was last Thursday and Dixie won.

[Jaffe]

Everyone has a right to shout what they want, believe what they want. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. It is up to the listeners to decide if they will be offended by it or not, but that is not on the shouters.

When it escalates to hurting someone rather than just shouting opinions and beliefs, then it is 'wrong' no matter what side it is.