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phuckphace
September 21st, 2015, 08:36 PM
Are you only talking about the 2nd amendment? Or maybe something larger?
'Just want some examples of constitutional stuff that you think is archaic.

imagine if you took the French constitution and tried to apply it to Sumerian society in 2000 BCE. it's like that, but in reverse. or to put it another way, how about the Code of Hammurabi applied to France in 2015. in either scenario it would be next to useless.

the American constitution was workable in its day, to the extent that our society still reflected the conditions that were present when it was devised. here's what wasn't present: atomization, social decay, economy instability, sky-high violent crime rates, widespread drug use, and technology that keeps us hermetically sealed from our neighbors. Ben Franklin is said to have written "Those who sacrifice essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither," but he said that in the context of utopian 18th century America. if he were to step out of a time machine into 2015 Detroit, he'd rescind that statement in a hurry.

here's where it gets hairy: as The Decline picks up speed, there will come a day when the "democracy" pretense is finally dropped and replaced with autocratic rule, just like how the Roman Republic declined until it collapsed and emperors ruled as dictators with the Senate being a wealthy and affluent, but useless relic like the British monarchy. the kind of autocracy we'll be getting won't be the super-awesome, super-effective, nation-restoring kind that I envision, but the horrible, inept, unstable, mass-murdery, economy-destroying kind like you see in third-world shitholes.

dxcxdzv
September 22nd, 2015, 09:57 AM
The decline of Roman Republic is a bit different than that...
I personally still agree with Bennie, even if in fact, he was talking about "temporary safety" (I think he was meaning that any safety "law" or "norm" shall one day be obsolete).
Economy instability is not really related to constitution, as well as crime rates and drug use.
So USA constitution is fucked up, ok, so what?
I mean what concrete change do you think about?
It only describes how the government is organized, as a republic.

2nd Amendment is clearly archaic but what about the others?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Sir Suomi
September 22nd, 2015, 09:06 PM
2nd Amendment is clearly archaic but what about the others?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution

So by that logic we should remove the Fourth Amendment and allow government surveillance upon our cellular devices, since obviously our founding fathers never imagined that we'd have the technology that is our cellular devices.

No, the founding fathers put the Bill of Rights into effect because they knew these concepts would carry on throughout time.