Racial terror profiling.

[Just...Will]

Should racial profiling be used in identifying terrorists? One person's view is that all the september eleventh hijackers were arab, all of the london attackers were arab, and it would be wrong not to use that information. My view is that you can't be politically correct about everything, and that racial profiling should be used but not abused.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

well ill tell ya what its not like were gunna get canadian alquaeda members and were not gunna get brazil terrorists.... were gunna get fucking arab terrorists

[Ravenous]

Its true that most of the terrorists are arabian, but you can't discriminate against all arabian people just because some are bad.

[kolte]

True twicherz, I think that it is wrong to discriminate aginst them, I have met good arabs.

[nwshc]

You have met good Arabs. Woopdy fucking Doo. Right now, it is people of middle eastern desent trying to attack us, harm us etc. And if you have to single out that group to protect me, then go ahead. Yes, there are many people of middle eastern descent that have no ill intentions towards us, but right now, they are the group that wants to kill us.
Eventually it will go away.
In WW2 we singled out the Japanese to protect our country. Now keeping them in camps was a little extreme, but if you have to "unfairly" single them out when they go in airports, or train stations, go right ahead.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

definately. all the hate in the world comes from the middle east anyways. its not like a lie to say that most terrorists

i dunno what im saying. lol i feel stupid. lalalaal ignore me.



ok im gathered. the middle eastern region of planet earth is horrible and dispicable and thats where most evil spawns from

[Ravenous]

What so if you were born into a middle eastern family and you were taking a holiday to america with your family, you wouldn't mind being searched just because of your race? Because I would find that extreemly offensive.

[redcar]

but the fact of the matter is that a mojority of terrorists who want to attack the west are from the middle east and the surrounding region.

[nwshc]

What so if you were born into a middle eastern family and you were taking a holiday to america with your family, you wouldn't mind being searched just because of your race? Because I would find that extreemly offensive.
Thats why I am proud to be an American. Who cares what they feel. Ifd its to protect a country, then do it.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

What so if you were born into a middle eastern family and you were taking a holiday to america with your family, you wouldn't mind being searched just because of your race? Because I would find that extreemly offensive.

well thats too fucking bad because i value my LIFE above someone elses INCONVENIENCE

[redcar]

i have to say when i was in the states i felt re-assured wit all the security measure like i was checked for my passprt at 4 different stages before i got on the plane and i was still in dublin.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya security should be tighter and any means to make it so should be undertaken. fuck other peoples hardships, fuck their feelings for being discriminated. fuck them my life is way more important than their bitching

[toogilwell2006]

ok i am sure this topic is dead but what the hell...i wanna build my post count up a bit anyway.

Hypothetical

Police get a report that a woman was raped. she reports that the man was a native-american, 6'3" and about 240 pounds.

ok cops happen to find a native american man who is about 6 feet tall and weighs about 220 to 240lbs. Is it then racial profiling to question this man who matches the description?

Nay good sirs and ladies, it's called POLICE WORK

By the way, just to prove how bad this PC shit is getting...the ACLU recently filed suet against the border patrol saying that it is racial profiling to target mexicans in arizona when looking for illegel MEXICANS

Chris

[nwshc]

I hate the ACLU. They should burn in hell. And all the illegal mexicans should take their crappy language and get back into mexico.

[kolte]

definately. all the hate in the world comes from the middle east anyways. its not like a lie to say that most terrorists

i dunno what im saying. lol i feel stupid. lalalaal ignore me.



ok im gathered. the middle eastern region of planet earth is horrible and dispicable and thats where most evil spawns from

My family is from the middle east how dare you!

[Dante]

racial profiling is wrong period....Yes there is alot of terrorist that are from the arab world, are all terrorists muslim, ahhhh no.....So I dont think its fair that if someone of arab descent is an airport u should search them, more thouroughly than u would say someone white.

If the hijackers of 9/11 were white, I know that you wouldn't be happy about that fact that u were racially profiled....*not like it would happen anyway...but you wouldnt be happy about the fact.

So when the arab community complains about racial profiling, all you can do is *shrug* because you think they deserve it.

[toogilwell2006]

umm hate to burst yon bubble but it aint profiling when the people you are focusing on are the culprits.

FACT arabs did attack us
FACT arabs are more likely to attack us then say russians

Knowing that certain arabs were wanting to kill you and you didn't know who they were...just arabs, would you want the russian stopped and searched or the man of middle eastern heritage. Easy one for me

[kolte]

well i'm sorry your racist aginst arabs, hope you get over yourself

[Dante]

umm hate to burst yon bubble but it aint profiling when the people you are focusing on are the culprits.

FACT arabs did attack us
FACT arabs are more likely to attack us then say russians

Knowing that certain arabs were wanting to kill you and you didn't know who they were...just arabs, would you want the russian stopped and searched or the man of middle eastern heritage. Easy one for me

hate to bust ur bubble, but u sound like an idiot...so u see a middle eastern man goin on a plane, u automatically assume hes planning to hijack a plane and crash it into a building....I could be wrong but u seem like the type of person, who if seated next to a muslim on a plane, u would ask to change ur seat.

[toogilwell2006]

you liberal dolts, i am not racist towards anyone. you can call me what you want if it makes you feel any better about yourselves, i don't really care either way. So, i wouldn't ask to change my seat, but i can't deny that in my mind there would be some sort of minor suspicion. Am i prejeduce. ypu bet your sweet little ass i am...Against people who may want to kill me. Recent history has shown that a group ( a small group of the overall total) of middle eastern people want to kill me! You can't deny that. i defy you to say that some of these people don't want to harm me or my fellow americans.

If i am sitting next to an Irish person i am not going to be scared. why?

BECAUSE A GROUP OF IRISH PEOPLE DIDN'T CRASH INTO A BUILDING KILLING THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS.

Is it wrong for me to want to protect my country from those trying to harm it? hell no! If someone is trying to kill me or my people you bet your ass i am going to be somewhat defensive against those people DOING THE KILLING.

Jesus, you people need to stop living your lifes according to such strict PC standerds. Hate to burst more bubbles but living in such a diversified country you are going to offend someone at somepoint. You can't make everyone happy. Welcome to the real world, candy apple kiddies

Respectfully
Chris

[Whisper]

you liberal dolts, i am not racist towards anyone. you can call me what you want if it makes you feel any better about yourselves, i don't really care either way. So, i wouldn't ask to change my seat, but i can't deny that in my mind there would be some sort of minor suspicion. Am i prejeduce. ypu bet your sweet little ass i am...Against people who may want to kill me. Recent history has shown that a group ( a small group of the overall total) of middle eastern people want to kill me! You can't deny that. i defy you to say that some of these people don't want to harm me or my fellow americans.

If i am sitting next to an Irish person i am not going to be scared. why?

BECAUSE A GROUP OF IRISH PEOPLE DIDN'T CRASH INTO A BUILDING KILLING THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS.

Is it wrong for me to want to protect my country from those trying to harm it? hell no! If someone is trying to kill me or my people you bet your ass i am going to be somewhat defensive against those people DOING THE KILLING.

Jesus, you people need to stop living your lifes according to such strict PC standerds. Hate to burst more bubbles but living in such a diversified country you are going to offend someone at somepoint. You can't make everyone happy. Welcome to the real world, candy apple kiddies

Respectfully
Chris

Coward

[toogilwell2006]

Lol exactly what am i afraid off?

Lets see middle eastern people? Umm not scared of them.
Muslims? hmm nope. not them either. have a few muslim friends in fact.
Black people? again nope
Indians? nope lot of their blood in me.
Hights? umm yeah actualy i am scared of hights
Spiders? you bet your booty i am a sissy around spiders. Coward there.
Middle easter Muslims? Nope. Wait, i am scared of the few that have tried to kill me. Why am i scared? umm cause they hit us hard and have said repeatedly they want to do it again. Cowardly, no way. If i see a middle eastern man with a bomb trying to blow up a bus full of babies you bet i am going to try to kick his ass. Of course panzy ass dolts like your self would probaly label me a racist for assuming the nice middle eastern man with the bomb was trying to kill people.

Again i ask you. what am i afraid off?
I don't really know why i am argueing this. It's futile. idiots like you will never get it. and idiots like me will never get it according to you. So why don't we just talk about the weather or something.

To lazy to make a sig
Chris

[Dante]

I hope you do realize that terrorists make up a REALLY REALLY small group, in the islamic community....So why be prejuydice against everyone, and for you to sit there and say ur prejudice, proves you are AN IGNORANT ASSHOLE

[toogilwell2006]

and i hope YOU do realize that you are seeing the the parts in my posts that give you justification for calling me an asswhile WITHOUT reading the tiny little words before and after those key words.

Why are you not listening to what i am saying?

READ MY POST i have said a couple of times that terrorists represent a small number of people. Dolts

READ MY POST when i said i was prejeduce i was proving a point. Did you read the tiny words after the phrase "sure i am prejeduce." I don't think so. i mocking said that if being scared of a small representation of a group want to kill me then YES I AM going to be somehwat prejeduce towards that group.

Jesus, get off your high horse, stop acting like the damn liberal media.

AND ACTUALY READ WHAT I POST

you people are sad, and i pitty you. to be so young and so wrong.

Regretfuly
Chris

[kolte]

So if you sat by me in a plane you would move. FUCK!!!YOU!!! I might look like a islamic person, but i was born and raised in AMERICA. So shove a dildo in your ass and leave vt you racist hipicrate.

[toogilwell2006]

So if you sat by me in a plane you would move. FUCK!!!YOU!!! I might look like a islamic person, but i was born and raised in AMERICA. So shove a dildo in your ass and leave vt you racist hipicrate.

OK this just proves my last post. you quote any of my posts where i said i hate islamic or middle eastern people please. One place. What i said was i hate islamic people that are trying to kill my people. just like i would hate a white person trying to kill my people.

You people just don't get it do you? And please show me where i am a hipocrate? Oh wait i guess according to your standerds, since i don't like arab terrorists, i don't like arabs at all. So according to your judgment i am a hipocrate because i am not racist.

You know you say you are look islamic? Maybe you are the racist person. how much self esteem do you have? You have to accuse people of being racist when they admit to hating only the killing portion that is a smaller sampling of the race.

Since youi "look islamic" you automaticaly assume that since i am a white american i must hate "those people like you" (offensive phrasing thrown in for effect)

Stop trying to read the non existent messege between the lines...and read the message. Oh by the way i happen to find arab women incredibly sexy.

"SEXIST!!!"

lol kids, so argumentitive

Chris

[toogilwell2006]

You know this is pointles, you people have glossed over my intial point because you don't agree with it and can't argue it in any way. This is the same thing i see the liberal left do in debates all the way from local gubment all the way up to ole bushy boy. You can't reasonably argue an opposing point, so you begin to belittle and insult the person making the point. Kind of the same mentality of if "i can't with my toys no one can"

My being a flaming racist (in your eyes) aside. I wish to reiterate my point

Islamic exremists crashed planes into the world trade center and the pentegon

RICH Islamic extremists santioned the poorer extremists to crash the plane.

So you see however insulting it is to you...the people who killed thousands of americans(which i find offensive) where in fact Islamic Arabs. The same RICH Islamic Extremists are still to this day publicaly anouncing they still wish to kill us.

Ergo, it makes no sense to assume that an old irish woman is a member of the gorup that wants to kill us? Are all islamic Arabs extremists terrorists and want to kill us? Absolutly not. But the fact remains that the terrorists are in fact islamic which is an easy way to disinguish them from the 80 year old irish lady. Knowing that the terrorists are islamic, gives the authorities a means of narrowing the search. Please tell what is wrong with that and how it is evil. I call it detective work.

Seriously i am not trying to incite anger...my points just make sense.

[redcar]

Ergo, it makes no sense to assume that an old irish woman is a member of the gorup that wants to kill us? .

ah thats what u think!!! ever heard of the ira?? u see no one suspects the irish, we will take over the world and none of you will see it coming!!!! *evil laugh*. oopps shouldnt have gave away the plan..........but be beware the irish we are more than leprauchauns and guinness!!!!!

[toogilwell2006]

lol right and i understand that. but they didn't commit the largest terrorist attack in US history did they? Far as i know, the only people they bother are the english and other rish people. Don't know to much about the IRA and it's policies.

[nwshc]

For the most part, i agree with toogilwell.
Right now those are the people that want to hurt us. We should do everything we can to protect our selves. If that includes pulling every middle eastern looking person, then so be it. Plus, you could say that there are not that many middle eastern people in our country. Granted Didn't say there were none.
Now, if caucation men were the ones that hit the WTCs, then we are out of luck. America is basicly made out of caucation looking people. And it would be just too many to single out. If there were more arab people here, then maybe it would be different.

[kolte]

Whatever your views on this toogilwell, you still hurt my feeling's when you said you would move to a different seat if you sat by an arab. I find that racist. why? because you automatically judge that the arab was racist. dismising the fact that the chances of that person is a terrerist is 5000 in 7 billion. have a heart. Yes I call you a coward, sombody who judges an intire race, because of a small groupe of people is not the kinda person I want to know. you should be ashamed of yourself.

[nwshc]

Yes, i wouldn't go as far as to change my seat.

[toogilwell2006]

Whatever your views on this toogilwell, you still hurt my feeling's when you said you would move to a different seat if you sat by an arab. I find that racist. why? because you automatically judge that the arab was racist. dismising the fact that the chances of that person is a terrerist is 5000 in 7 billion. have a heart. Yes I call you a coward, sombody who judges an intire race, because of a small groupe of people is not the kinda person I want to know. you should be ashamed of yourself.

And i call you ingorrent and self delusioned, because if you read my posts you will see that nowhere did i say i would move. read that again please.

I WOULD NOT MOVE...I AM NOT RACIST got that. read my bloody posts please before you judge me please. thank you.

What i said was that thanks to historical actions and the hype from the gubment and media i would ashamedly be inclined to have a brief thought of weather this was a terrorist. But i would get over it pretty damn fast and probaly end up having a good conversation with this person.

Are you even reading my posts or are you just calling me names? And i am the one labeled as an asswhole. amazing

[kolte]

Look, you little noob. STFU you smart ass. You will find that I am a very passive person, and usually don't blow up on new people, because i understand there arrogence. but if you don't take your fucking head out of your ass. Thank you, we now understand that you are and I quote:

Am i prejeduce. ypu bet your sweet little ass i am

I AM NOT RACIST

Yes I'm confused about your true colors, but I can understand your fear. afterall the american meida has made middle east out to be an evil terrerist orginization. But Let me tell you somthing, were not. Yeah we have our bad guys, but I'm not afried of americans because of the people that did the oklahoma city bombings or the government that killed millions of people. Oh and hold on a sec. Was it not america that trained Osama Bin Ladin, my god, it was. But wait a sec. Osama Bin Ladin, though from saudi arabia is now afgan. not part of the middle east. now, lets recount, who is more evil.

America vs, Osama Bin ladin

America's evil acts of....evilness include:

1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran
U.s. Installs Shah as dictator


1954: U.S. overthrows democratically elected prsident Arbenz of Guatemala.
200000 civilians killed


1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.
1963-1975: American military kills 4 million people in South East Asia.


September 11, 1973: U.S stages coup in Chile
Eemorcatically elected President Salvador Allende assassinated
Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed.
5000 Chileans murdered


1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador.
70000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.


1980's: U.S. trains Osama Bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets.
CIA gives them 3 billion dollars.


1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras."
30000 Nicaraquans die


1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.



1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.


1989: CIA agen Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington.
U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega.
3000 Panamanian civilian casualties.


1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons bought from U.S.


1991: U.S. enters Iraq
Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.


1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan.
Factory turns out to be making aspirin.


1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis.
U.N. estimates 500000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.


2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan 254 million dollars in "aid."

Sept. 11, 2001: Osama bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3000 people.



Thats right, Osama bin Laden, what a bad guy. wrong. If you little noobs would do a little research, you would find that your perfect little america was somthing to fear, not the middle east.

[toogilwell2006]

ok first off...i am not a noob. well here i am, but...ah screw it call me a noob if you want.

Secondly your time line does not impress me because that all is very documented history and doesn't make you smart. it means you can google and cut and paste. not very impresive.

Thirdly you also have a tendency to to leave out facts and information to suite your own purpose. when i said i was a racist did you read the words imediatly following? nope other wise you would have caught my meaning. I said i was prejuduce to people who kill my people. If a group forms for the sole purpose of killing my countrmen, you bet i am going to hold a prejudice towards them. they tried to kill my people (the extremists) and want to again, therefore they (the extremists) deserve to die first.

Am i prejudice towards Al-qhieda? yes CAUSE THEY WANT TO KILL US!
am i going to sit change seats because they sit me next to a suidi on a plane? NO BECAUSE HE IS NOT TRYING TO KILL ME! now if he tells me he is going to take over the plane i am going to kick him in the nuts.

"NO YOU RACIST YOU CAN'T DO THAT. YOU CAN'T ASSUME HE IS GOING TO KILL PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE HE IS A SUIDI AND SAYS HE IS AGOIN TO HIJACK THE PLANE...THAT'S PROFILING"

I was going to try to be civil and make amends, i was going to try to be nice and stop calling names, and explain what believes are. Instead you people assume since i differ i am the freakin devil. how dare you presume that i am a biggot with no good cause. the gloves are off!

The root problem of this is simple, and the same reason why minors can't vote. Your problem, my dear, that you are simply incapable of rational thought. My views have been layed out in narry a confusing way, only to be disected by you, and the snippets used BY YOU to label me evil to make it easier for you not to accept what i am saying as a possible rational point of view. Is that to complecatic to grasp? let me rephrase...You hear what you want to in order to justify your not accepting my view point. Kids like you going through puberty think with you emotions. Which is why you can't vote. you judge irationaly on the basis of "Feelings".

This is not an emotional matter, sweety. This is an objective subject tangible and physical. If it involves hurting people feelings in order to make me and my family safe from hostile people so be it. No one not guilty is being inturned, persecuted, and no racial crimes are being commited by OUR country.

What we are doing does not even come close to things done in the past. We are not recreating Nazi detention camps, or conducting medical experiments on the order of the jappanese Unit 731, nor are we arresting ALL american members of the arab race, simply for being arab like we did we the japanese during ww2. All that has happened is some feelings have been hurt. big friggin deal. my feelings where hurt when the WTC was attacked, and you know what some people lost their lives, and others lost what mattered most to them in THEIR lives...Their families. Do you think i give a shit about the feelings of people being inconvienced at the airport?

nope not a damn bit...not one tiny bit.

i'm sure that last line is enough to justify your emotional self i am a racist. I don't care, label me as you see fit. Just know i find nothing about you are what you say that belittles me or makes me feel unworthy of you. you are nothing but a silly little girl going boo-hoo-hoo.

That is all.

[kolte]

I might take you more seriosy if you were not so arrogent. You act like a smart ass here and people will hate you. to be more accepted, say your opionion and be on your way, otherwise, an argument, like this will arise, and words will be said. i'm sorry for drawing out such an immature argument with you. I hope you accept my apoligy and hede my words.

[toogilwell2006]

Sorry if i came off as a smart ass...i kinda get defensive when accused of being a biggot. Just hate to be misunderstoon.

i accept your appology only if will accept mine. And with that nice to meet you! :)

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

Look, you little noob. STFU you smart ass. You will find that I am a very passive person, and usually don't blow up on new people, because i understand there arrogence. but if you don't take your fucking head out of your ass. Thank you, we now understand that you are and I quote:

Am i prejeduce. ypu bet your sweet little ass i am

I AM NOT RACIST

Yes I'm confused about your true colors, but I can understand your fear. afterall the american meida has made middle east out to be an evil terrerist orginization. But Let me tell you somthing, were not. Yeah we have our bad guys, but I'm not afried of americans because of the people that did the oklahoma city bombings or the government that killed millions of people. Oh and hold on a sec. Was it not america that trained Osama Bin Ladin, my god, it was. But wait a sec. Osama Bin Ladin, though from saudi arabia is now afgan. not part of the middle east. now, lets recount, who is more evil.

America vs, Osama Bin ladin

America's evil acts of....evilness include:

1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran
U.s. Installs Shah as dictator


1954: U.S. overthrows democratically elected prsident Arbenz of Guatemala.
200000 civilians killed


1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.
1963-1975: American military kills 4 million people in South East Asia.


September 11, 1973: U.S stages coup in Chile
Eemorcatically elected President Salvador Allende assassinated
Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed.
5000 Chileans murdered


1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador.
70000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.


1980's: U.S. trains Osama Bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets.
CIA gives them 3 billion dollars.


1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras."
30000 Nicaraquans die


1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.



1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.


1989: CIA agen Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington.
U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega.
3000 Panamanian civilian casualties.


1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons bought from U.S.


1991: U.S. enters Iraq
Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.


1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan.
Factory turns out to be making aspirin.


1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis.
U.N. estimates 500000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.


2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan 254 million dollars in "aid."

Sept. 11, 2001: Osama bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3000 people.



Thats right, Osama bin Laden, what a bad guy. wrong. If you little noobs would do a little research, you would find that your perfect little america was somthing to fear, not the middle east.

id like all of your sources. and then id like the dirty details to every other country on earth so we can see how much longer their lists are. try russia china korea syria africa iran... uk. europe. everyone is bad. everyone has good. in the end its the net force that really matters. we have done way more good things than bad things, and you know it. im going to have to assume that every single gap on your timeline is filled with outstanding efforts of our country doing good things. i see the balence in the positive direction

[nwshc]

I love it when I read biased information :)

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

obviously came from some hate site

[kolte]

All I was saying is that to fear islamic people is as ridiculas as fearing americans.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

except for the fact that theres a higher probability (subSTANTIALLY) that an islamic would want to kill me

[Whisper]

Over 11,000 people are shot in america by other americans every year

I'd be more worried bout that

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

11,000 out of 300 million? meh ill take my chances ;)

[Whisper]

EXACTLY!

and how many were killed by terrorists YEARS AGO?

exactly
u americans -shakes head- so paranoid

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

pft its not like im afraid. i dont walk outside my house in fear every morning. im not paranoid. but unlike gun murders, terrorists can be identified more easily just by their religious background

[Whisper]

But thats like me pointing at you and screaming "Witch!" in a catholic church

only one or two people would want to burn you out of a church where theres hundreds, thousands of people {....its a big church aight!}

My point is theres only an EXTREMLY small % that want americans dead....That aint bad! (Y)

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

oh haha cody using religion as an example? lol

the fact of the matter is that the percentage of religious extremists who want the western world to die is higher than the percentage of caucasian people. which means i have to fear the middle east more than lets say, italy.

[Whisper]

oh haha cody using religion as an example? lol

the fact of the matter is that the percentage of religious extremists who want the western world to die is higher than the percentage of caucasian people. which means i have to fear the middle east more than lets say, italy.

Not the western world just america

an EXTREMLY small amount of islamics want you dead

Like i said more whitties are killing other whitties in america with guns every year then terrorists have in years.

I don't care what color someones skin is or what there religion is, i hate them all equally :)
what can I say
i'm an ass at heart

Theres a much higher chance of u dying in ur car then because of a terrorist

So stop freakin out about them

I mean honestly how could you let 3 planes (not including the one brave enough to fight back) cripple the most powerful country on the planet and for so long i mean its 2005 ur still terrified...they've already won {yes i realise ur iradicating them as we speak, i mean emotionally}

Just because someone is or looks like there from the middle east dosent mean they want to hurt you
and dosent give u the right to treat them like crap

I mean dont get me wrong on my last trip to victoria they took me aside and swabed my back pack for explosives
I was so touched that they though i was ambitious enough or gave a piss about them to do that
it was sooo sweet

But not everybody likes that

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i dont think u will find anyone here who will agree with you that we were crippled. the terror attacks brought our country closer togeather in ways not possible by any other means. the only way we will lose the war on terror is if people insist we are losing; if people hope we are losing; and if people support us losing. everyone who wants to pull out of iraq fits all 3 categories. the only way terrorists win is when people let them. people in the middle east hate the western civilized world, its not just us. people burn british flags and french flags too ya know. its not like america is the center of all hate in the world, but all the hate it attracks seams to come from the middle east? why is that? i dunno but its definately accurate so i feel no mercy when discriminating against them. they are dirtbags. u said yourself that whole region is just "piss poor" and it doesnt matter if they get nuked or nothin.

[Whisper]

I realise that London was struck to
and I know you wont lose I never said you would
I mean....seriously duh

Its not weither you'll win or not its do you have the right to treat people from the middle east worse then everyone else at checks?

I dont think you do

Inocent untill proven guilty
Not the other way around
They should be treated no diffrently then you or I


I dont know allot about the IRA i'll admit that right now

But arent most of its members white?
Arent they terrorists?
Does that mean every white irishmen should be treated diffrently? of course not!!

What i'm trying to say is the color of there skin
the language they speak
the religion they follow
does not dictate weither there terrorists or not
Very few people from the middle east are terrorists


They've done nothing to you
there as inocent as you or me or you -points at person reading-
they dont deserve to be treated like second class
like they've done something wrong when they havent

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

very little middle easterners are terrorists, but MOST terrorists are middle eastern. sorry hun thats just how it works. in recent history the only people whove shown agression and hate towards me are people who follow the religion of islam. the only people whove shown agression and hate towards me are people who live in the middle eastern region. im sorry u dont think its right that i steryotype them, but i hope you understand where my discrimination comes from. i think its valid and based on real events that ive witnessed on my own.

now its 12 min past my bedtime and i told you i was goin to bed so... night cody :)

[kolte]

i dunno but its definately accurate so i feel no mercy when discriminating against them. they are dirtbags. u said yourself that whole region is just "piss poor" and it doesnt matter if they get nuked or nothin.

*sobs* Why do you hate the middle east so much *sobs* It wasn't even the middle east that attacked you *sobs* it you remember, it was afghanistan, which is not part of the middle east. *sobs* The middle east is my home land, I have loads of family their, and you write about it like its dirt *sobs* it's because of people like you that my family has to suffer and die. *sobs* *runs away crying*

[toogilwell2006]

here we go again. shit i should have left this thread dead

[nwshc]

Innocent until proven guilty
Not the other way around

If I recall, you automatically said Micheal Jackson was guilty, when he was proven innocent. But I also did to so I can't use that. :P
But you get my point.

[Whisper]

Innocent until proven guilty
Not the other way around

If I recall, you automatically said Micheal Jackson was guilty, when he was proven innocent. But I also did to so I can't use that. :P
But you get my point.

Nick how about you have someone molest and beat you
then tell me that this isnt a soft spot for you

I said he's guilty cause as far as i'm concerned that piece of shit is!

The man that did that to me was white, do i hate all white guys? No
The man that murderd a girl i cared a great deal about was white, does that mean I should treat all white guys like shit? No

[redcar]

i knew mj was innocent all along

[nwshc]

Innocent until proven guilty
Not the other way around

If I recall, you automatically said Micheal Jackson was guilty, when he was proven innocent. But I also did to so I can't use that. :P
But you get my point.

Nick how about you have someone molest and beat you for four years
then tell me that this isnt a soft spot for you

I said he's guilty cause as far as i'm concerned that piece of shit is!

The man that did that to me was white, do i hate all white guys? No
The man that murderd a girl i cared a great deal about was white, does that mean I should treat all white guys like shit? No
O ya? How about haveing middle eastern people hell bent on destroying america, and they kill all of your family members. Would you have a soft spot there? YES. And thus you would most likely hate the middle eastern people becasuse of that loss.

[nwshc]

O, and cody. You have no fucking idea if MJ did molest those kids. He was proven innocent, but you still insist that he did do it. In yet, you say Inosent untill proven guilty, not the other way around.
Funny

[Whisper]

I DONT HATE ALL WhITE GUYS
shit happens
it does NOT give you the right to do that
and if your arogant enough to think it does then nowonder a SMALL portion of them despise you

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

cody u make it really hard to argue against whenever u use your past to back yourself up... cuz noone really wants to argue against that :?

its diff between terrorists and the guy that abused you. just because he's white doesnt mean that hes more prone to molest someone. theres no correlation between race and abuse (im sure there might be something but its negligable compared to islam and terror). with the middle east, its not like your lying when you make the gerneralization that they hate the west and america. its not a lie. plz acknoledge the point nick made... i mean hes not at fault and he really didnt try to hurt your feelings or anything :/. he wouldnt want to hurt you like that

[nwshc]

3000+ people die in the worst attack on america since Pearl Harbor. It happens. You got molested. It happens :roll:

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

nick dont you fucking. no. thats mean. no grrrrrrr cant belive u said that

[rEpReSsIoN.?]

definately. all the hate in the world comes from the middle east anyways. its not like a lie to say that most terrorists

i dunno what im saying. lol i feel stupid. lalalaal ignore me.



ok im gathered. the middle eastern region of planet earth is horrible and dispicable and thats where most evil spawns from

You obviously have only looked at what they have done, but not WHY they have done it?
I know what they have done is evil.
But the terrorists did not start killing people for the fun of it there is always a reason.
Also it is my opinion America forms alot of the problems we see today.
Sorry if this has caused offence just putting forward an opinion.
Also I like to add there where USA charities that gave money to the IRA so funded terrorist acts in Ireland.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

it doesnt matter WHAT their reason is, nothing could justify what they are doing. WHY did hitler kill 10 million jews? beacuse he wanted to. does that justify anything? no. why do terrorists kill people? because they think allah wants them to. does that justify it? no.

[Whisper]

You obviously have only looked at what they have done, but not WHY they have done it?
I know what they have done is evil.
But the terrorists did not start killing people for the fun of it there is always a reason.
Also it is my opinion America forms most of the problems we see today.
Sorry if this has caused offence just putting forward an opinion.
Agreed

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

cody why are you on vt but not on msn?

[Whisper]

3000+ people die in the worst attack on america since Pearl Harbor. It happens. You got molested. It happens :roll:

Your absolutly right Nick I had to have done something wrong for him to select me out of all the other kids. For me to be his "special boy" for all that time.

Just like america got what it deserved, people dont attack like that for no reason
theres always a reason
always

[toogilwell2006]

3000+ people die in the worst attack on america since Pearl Harbor. It happens. You got molested. It happens :roll:

Your absolutly right Nick I had to have done something wrong for him to select me out of all the other kids. For me to be his "special boy" for all that time.

Just like america got what it deserved, people dont attack like that for no reason
theres always a reason
always

Can you give me one good reason that several thousand americans who are probaly to ignorent to even offend muslim extremists deserved to die?

[kolte]

There is a law in my religion. Karma. What goes around comes around. cause and affect. treat other people like you want to be treated. no matter what you religious affiliation, most of us believe in karma. And the people of the World Trade centers paied a penalty for america that day. though they themselves may have not caused harm. the country they represent did. And I know you will say, well all countries have bad deeds. yes, and they pay for it, and its well know. Germany paied for its bad deeds. france, the uk, russia, iraq. all countires have either paid, or will pay for what they have done. And it just so happens that on september 11, 2001, a day burned into the minds of america. that the united states payed for the crimes that it had commited. and wether or not those who lost their lives deserved it or not, america did. cause and affect, what goes around comes around. the hundreds of thousends of people who lost their lives in the past because of american action. wether good intent or bad. payed america back. and we just have to deal with that. But the sudden hatred twards the middle eastern people is just not right. The united states did not fight for years for equal rights to have people mistreated. Gays, Arabs, blacks, whites, hispanics. they all have the right to be happy, in their own way. and when america refuses to allow them to be happy, then that is breaking the most important and famous american right. The right to presue happiness.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

and you will pay in the depths of hell for saying that countries who have had terror attacks against them CAUSED THEM THEMSELVES. thats preposterous. i dare you to walk up to somone whose family member was blown up by a suicide bomber and shout "what goes around comes around BITCH!!!!"

youre a meanie

[toogilwell2006]

I think there is something that you hippies don't understand. That is just the nature of forign policy. Countries get screwed all the time by every other country. tis the name of the game. War happens, which is "polotics by other means" and civilians die. Granted that is wrong, but they where not the target in the first place. therefore, there is no justification for killing thousands of us.

ok same situation. othelo you say you are middle eastern? Well what if i said i think you should die simply because middle eastern people were responsible for the world trade center attack? Karma you say? "but i wasn't even involved!" well guess what, neither were the people in the world trade center involved in killing thousands of middle eastern people on a daily basis. See the relationship?

America was involved in bad forign policy therefore inoccent americans should die.

Middle eastern people carried out the attacjs therefore innocent middle eastern people should die.

Note, i am not saying we should kill middle eastern people. i am just saying that according to your karma theory, we have just as much right as blowing you up as the terrorists did in blowing up the WTC

[kolte]

indeed you do, and such is karma

[rEpReSsIoN.?]

it doesnt matter WHAT their reason is, nothing could justify what they are doing. WHY did hitler kill 10 million jews? beacuse he wanted to. does that justify anything? no. why do terrorists kill people? because they think allah wants them to. does that justify it? no.

Also I like to add there where USA charities that gave money to the IRA so funded terrorist acts in Ireland (I have nothing against the Irish). Is that not the same as a Muslim funding Islamic terrorist acts around the world?
Also there are many different opinions about why the Muslims are killing people (the twin towers). But I agree that nothing should justify what they do.

[toogilwell2006]

indeed you do, and such is karma

Hmm very interesting. not that i am going to blow you up. you see i happen to think it is wrong to kill random people who had nothing do with someone elses strife. Apparently you don't have those inhibitions.

Just the same as a black person blaming ME for slavery. I never owned slaves, so is it revenge if he (who was never a slave) kills me? nope tis murder.

By the way i m not saying that the US government does is always right, or always good. But please do try to understand it is the nature of the game, and that we are NOT, in fact, the only white devils of western civilization in the world.

Thank you.
Chris

[Dante]

Look i realize that some people here, likes the fact that muslim people are victims to racial terror profiling....but its still wrong......get it in your heads, theres 1 billion muslims in the world, a small group make up terrorists.

So when u see someone who is islamic is walking down the street, do u automatically assume they're a terrorist, I dont, but I know some people do.

[Whisper]

1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran
U.s. Installs Shah as dictator


1954: U.S. overthrows democratically elected prsident Arbenz of Guatemala.
200000 civilians killed


1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.
1963-1975: American military kills 4 million people in South East Asia.


September 11, 1973: U.S stages coup in Chile
Demorcatically elected President Salvador Allende assassinated
Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed.
5000 Chileans murdered


1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador.
70000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.


1980's: U.S. trains Osama Bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets.
CIA gives them 3 billion dollars.


1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras."
30000 Nicaraquans die


1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.



1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.


1989: CIA agen Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington.
U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega.
3000 Panamanian civilian casualties.


1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons bought from U.S.


1991: U.S. enters Iraq
Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.


1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan.
Factory turns out to be making aspirin.


1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis.
U.N. estimates 500000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.


2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan 254 million dollars in "aid."

Sept. 11, 2001: Osama bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3000 people.

Othello posted that a few pages back I figured i'd add a lil bold and post it again

3,000 americans dying in retaliation for what america has done
Did the people that died have anything to do with what happened? no but there country did
How many innocent civillians has america murdered? hmmm
exactly

[toogilwell2006]

1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran
U.s. Installs Shah as dictator


1954: U.S. overthrows democratically elected prsident Arbenz of Guatemala.
200000 civilians killed


1963: U.S. backs assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem.
1963-1975: American military kills 4 million people in South East Asia.


September 11, 1973: U.S stages coup in Chile
Demorcatically elected President Salvador Allende assassinated
Dictator Augusto Pinochet installed.
5000 Chileans murdered


1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador.
70000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.


1980's: U.S. trains Osama Bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets.
CIA gives them 3 billion dollars.


1981: Reagan administration trains and funds "contras."
30000 Nicaraquans die


1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.



1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.


1989: CIA agen Manuel Noriega (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington.
U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega.
3000 Panamanian civilian casualties.


1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons bought from U.S.


1991: U.S. enters Iraq
Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.


1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan.
Factory turns out to be making aspirin.


1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis.
U.N. estimates 500000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.


2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan 254 million dollars in "aid."

Sept. 11, 2001: Osama bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3000 people.

Othello posted that a few pages back I figured i'd add a lil bold and post it again

3,000 americans dying in retaliation for what america has done
Did the people that died have anything to do with what happened? no but there country did
How many innocent civillians has america murdered? hmmm
exactly

How many people in the wtc knew about ALL those events, or really any of them at all. Most where just innocent people going about their daily lives in order to put food on the table.

punishing the blameless is just stupid, surely you are rational enough to see that. now if the terrorists could show proof that everyone who died on 9-11 was in responsible for deaths abroad tehn you may have soemthing.

But i doubt you can come up with that can you?

[Whisper]

If you could actually read :roll:
you'd realise that I already said everyone the died was innocent
They paid for what there country had done, the people in NY that died that day might have been innocent but there country wasen't.

I highly dout the pentagon was innocent...far from it probly but i'm not sure how many if any died there...meh I dont care

[toogilwell2006]

you know what? i quit. I don't really know why people bother with debate anyway. no one knows how to do it anymore. Facts are rebuted with crap slinging. Screw that. in my short time here i have seen several valid points made by people representing facts, only to be attacked for presenting those facts. and what do we get in way of opinion from you? missquoted figures and half truths. I'll tell you what, i will make a few of your lives a lot easier. Last post.

Laters
Chris

[nwshc]

Thats basicly all the debate is my friend. Don't get into a tizzy. You just learn to live with it.

[nwshc]

If you could actually read :roll:
you'd realise that I already said everyone the died was innocent
They paid for what there country had done, the people in NY that died that day might have been innocent but there country wasen't.

I highly dout the pentagon was innocent...far from it probly but i'm not sure how many if any died there...meh I dont care
Ah, so because we killed countless civilian lives when we dropped the atomic bombs, we should also have our civilians die in return? Absolutly not. You are out of your fucking mind Cody.

[Whisper]

no
Americas gotten arogant and complacent
Am I happy it happened? no
But do I overly care? not really
Compared to what americas done, all the enemys it has if i was you i'd be extremly thankful that only 3000 people died.

Every single american thinks that war always happens waaaaaaay over there on the other side of the planet and that your perfectly fine here so you dont give a dam what happens there, most of you don't even pay attention, it dosent effect you, you can't make any money by paying attention so you don't care
well time for a reality check
amarica has murdered millions of inocenent people men, women and children.

Hell this new war you've got going on has murdered an estimated 500,000 children alone thats not including the inocent women and men.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

to all you fuckers who have anti american timelines, ill give you something new to bitch about.

Russia____

1924--1953 20 million people die under stalin

Germany___

1941--1945 13 million people die under hitler





all countries have bad records, you just have to decide which ones are worse. of course innocent people have died because of america, but comparatively thats NO reason and NO justification for terorrist attacks. nothing can justify that ever.

in americas entire history, NO amount of civilian deaths caused by us even comes close to rivaling the atrocities of other nations. comparatively, we are an angel

[rEpReSsIoN.?]

to all you fuckers who have anti american timelines, ill give you something new to bitch about.

Russia____

1924--1953 20 million people die under stalin

Germany___

1941--1945 13 million people die under hitler


all countries have bad records, you just have to decide which ones are worse. of course innocent people have died because of america, but comparatively thats NO reason and NO justification for terorrist attacks. nothing can justify that ever.

in americas entire history, NO amount of civilian deaths caused by us even comes close to rivaling the atrocities of other nations. comparatively, we are an angel

Are you comparing President Bush with Hitler and Stalin? lol A quote from the almighty book of Bushism "I'm honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein."
Also OF course the terrorists have a reason for killing people, that is right in there opinion. AND it is not because Allah says so.
America needs to pick up its act and realize the conflict in the middle east It has created. And America is no angle.