Did America lose the War on Terror?

[Stronk Serb]

Well, not lost militarily, but when you think about it, they started cowering in fear after 9/11, massive interventions which only brewed more radicalism, started spying on it's own citizens, kidnapping and shipping them to Guantanamo... they are fighting a war they cannot win, a war on an ideology that grows stronger with every strike thrown against it. The terrorists won the moment America went apeshit on surveillance, intervention, black ops, drone strikes, playing right into the terrorists' hands.

[Judean Zealot]

They lost in every sense of the word, primarily because their public doesn't have the stomach for war.

[Left Now]

Was there any War on Terror?

[Judean Zealot]

Was there any War on Terror?

That's what they call their actions in Afghanistan and Iraq from 2001 to the present.

[Left Now]

That's what they call their actions in Afghanistan and Iraq from 2001 to the present.

That was just a "Black Joke" my friend.

[Judean Zealot]

That was just a "Black Joke" my friend.

I wasn't sure. :P

Then again, I should've figured, considering the amount of time you've been here. :P

[phuckphace]

stated goals reached: no
actual goals reached: yes

win in which sense of the word?

[Stronk Serb]

stated goals reached: no
actual goals reached: yes

win in which sense of the word?

You can't take down a superpower by yourself, but you can fuck them up by making them do it themselves. It's not a military victory, it was never needed. The terrorists won by making the US fuck itself up.

[Miserabilia]

There's no such thing as "the terrorists" and there's no such thing as "the war on terror". It's a way against certain groups of people in certain areas (cough cough we all know where and who) which is simply a war. There are no winners and losers because that war is still happening.

[Porpoise101]

Well, not lost militarily, but when you think about it, they started cowering in fear after 9/11, massive interventions which only brewed more radicalism, started spying on it's own citizens, kidnapping and shipping them to Guantanamo... they are fighting a war they cannot win, a war on an ideology that grows stronger with every strike thrown against it. The terrorists won the moment America went apeshit on surveillance, intervention, black ops, drone strikes, playing right into the terrorists' hands.
War on terror is stupid because it is impossible. Just like the war on drugs or the war on poverty, the US thought itself to be stronger than a fundamental aspect of society. As long as fear can be used to change someone's aspects, then terrorism will exist. To limit terrorism, the US should have worked diplomatically instead of creating more instability. Maybe Afghanistan never really had stability because they aren't even really a country at this point.

[Stronk Serb]

There's no such thing as "the terrorists" and there's no such thing as "the war on terror". It's a way against certain groups of people in certain areas (cough cough we all know where and who) which is simply a war. There are no winners and losers because that war is still happening.

The war was lost the moment it started. What has it created? Armed bands of goatfuckers who rape, kill and pillage in the name of Allah. If you approach a hornet nest, they will attack, if you hit it with a stick, you will get attacked even more, if you shove your cock in it, trying to assert dominance, you are bound for a world of hurt, you will get stung either way. You can't take down an ideology that easily, especially in this way where it gains popular support.

War on terror is stupid because it is impossible. Just like the war on drugs or the war on poverty, the US thought itself to be stronger than a fundamental aspect of society. As long as fear can be used to change someone's aspects, then terrorism will exist. To limit terrorism, the US should have worked diplomatically instead of creating more instability. Maybe Afghanistan never really had stability because they aren't even really a country at this point.

The moment the Arabs and the US started funding the islamists to tke down the Afghan socialist government which was democratically elected in 1979 and the Soviets who were called in to help enforce government legitimacy, the fate of Afghanistan was sealed.

[Porpoise101]

The war was lost the moment it started. What has it created? Armed bands of goatfuckers who rape, kill and pillage in the name of Allah. If you approach a hornet nest, they will attack, if you hit it with a stick, you will get attacked even more, if you shove your cock in it, trying to assert dominance, you are bound for a world of hurt, you will get stung either way. You can't take down an ideology that easily, especially in this way where it gains popular support.



The moment the Arabs and the US started funding the islamists to tke down the Afghan socialist government which was democratically elected in 1979 and the Soviets who were called in to help enforce government legitimacy, the fate of Afghanistan was sealed.
Yeah it's a real tragedy. This happened in Latin America too and good countries like Brazil and Argentina were put into a mini Dark Age because of the US and the USSR. It's cool though because beautiful art still flourished in Brazil at least, because I still listen to the good bossa nova. But other countries in Central America weren't so lucky. Nicaragua is not a good country to be in even today.

[sqishy]

In my opinion, these 'terrorists' that the 'war on terror' was launched against, don't exist. Constructing these terrorist enemies places fear in the people, and makes a war much easier to explain when the majority of the public is behind it anyways.

[Sir Suomi]

Depends on what angles you wish to look at it from.

What we did accomplish


Removing the Taliban and Al-Qaeda from power
Removing Saddam from power
Implementing Western ideals and culture


What we did not accomplish

Stabilizing the region
Completely eradicating extremist groups in the region


Really, there was no "winning" this conflict. There really was no central power to "defeat", no battles to "win", and no way to get the extremist groups to surrender. From start to finish, it was a clusterfuck. We never should've gotten involved in the region from the beginning. And now after watching the actions of ISIS, all I can really say is let them all kill each other for all I care. Stay away from us, and we won't make it our issue.

[SethfromMI]

They lost in every sense of the word, primarily because their public doesn't have the stomach for war.

I hate to agree with you, but in this case, I have no choice. There are other reasons why we lost but our country (as a whole) never supported the war. Same thing happened in Vietnam, it became so unpopular, we pulled out (again, more factors went into pulling out then just lack of popularity, but you get the point).

[mattsmith48]

Your not fighting terrorism when you do it too

[Karkat]

Considering the fact that Americans are the terrorists, well...

[Stronk Serb]

Depends on what angles you wish to look at it from.

What we did accomplish


Removing the Taliban and Al-Qaeda from power
Removing Saddam from power
Implementing Western ideals and culture


What we did not accomplish

Stabilizing the region
Completely eradicating extremist groups in the region


Really, there was no "winning" this conflict. There really was no central power to "defeat", no battles to "win", and no way to get the extremist groups to surrender. From start to finish, it was a clusterfuck. We never should've gotten involved in the region from the beginning. And now after watching the actions of ISIS, all I can really say is let them all kill each other for all I care. Stay away from us, and we won't make it our issue.

Well, removing Saddam Hussein from power destabilized Iraq, funneling stinger missiles to the islamists destabilized Afghanistan. Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are still kicking but their influence has diminished because the US and Saudi Arabia armed ISIS. It's a crescent hydra, cut off it's heads and it will grow new ones. Also implementing western culture and ideals failed because, y'know... both Iraq and Afghanistan were in a state of civil war when you had your boots there, now it's worse after you left. Girs still get sprayed with acid for going to school, militants still try to force sharia law. You showed them western values and ideals but they never got implemented. Also Amurrica just took the oil and bolted out.

[Porpoise101]

Well, removing Saddam Hussein from power destabilized Iraq, funneling stinger missiles to the islamists destabilized Afghanistan. Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are still kicking but their influence has diminished because the US and Saudi Arabia armed ISIS. It's a crescent hydra, cut off it's heads and it will grow new ones. Also implementing western culture and ideals failed because, y'know... both Iraq and Afghanistan were in a state of civil war when you had your boots there, now it's worse after you left. Girs still get sprayed with acid for going to school, militants still try to force sharia law. You showed them western values and ideals but they never got implemented. Also Amurrica just took the oil and bolted out.
Eh at least the Kurds like us for now

[Stronk Serb]

Eh at least the Kurds like us for now

You do know that the Kurds are and oppressed minority in Turkey, an ally of the US? Or that they were targeted bythe US and Saudi funded ISIS?

[dxcxdzv]

Depends on what angles you wish to look at it from.

What we did accomplish


Removing the Taliban and Al-Qaeda from power
Removing Saddam from power
Implementing Western ideals and culture


What we did not accomplish

Stabilizing the region
Completely eradicating extremist groups in the region


Really, there was no "winning" this conflict. There really was no central power to "defeat", no battles to "win", and no way to get the extremist groups to surrender. From start to finish, it was a clusterfuck. We never should've gotten involved in the region from the beginning. And now after watching the actions of ISIS, all I can really say is let them all kill each other for all I care. Stay away from us, and we won't make it our issue.

"Accomplish". Hm.

[phuckphace]

I guess murricans forgot about the whole "Shah -> Ayatollah" thing.

[Left Now]

Eh at least the Kurds like us for now

These Kurds whom you are referring like all those who support them seriously.Such infidelity can also be seen from HAMAS and Islamic Jihad.

[mattsmith48]

Considering the fact that Americans are the terrorists, well...

Its like trying to lose weight by eating donuts

[Miserabilia]

The war was lost the moment it started. What has it created? Armed bands of goatfuckers who rape, kill and pillage in the name of Allah. If you approach a hornet nest, they will attack, if you hit it with a stick, you will get attacked even more, if you shove your cock in it, trying to assert dominance, you are bound for a world of hurt, you will get stung either way. You can't take down an ideology that easily, especially in this way where it gains popular support.


that's one of the best analogies of the problem i've heard :lol: :yes: