Iran Deal:What is all the fuss about?

[Left Now]

Well the title says nearly everything.

Seriously I got really surprised to realize how heated discussions are about this matter in the world of media recently.Lots of news,lots of debates,lots of polls,lots of discussions and even lots of quarrels.

Actually the peak of my surprise was when I saw a movie of Hollywood actors and actresses trying to emphasize on the fact this deal must not go into waste.I just really cannot comprehend:What is all the fuss about?

[eric2001]

Well... it is overall okay. But Iran will have more money to do BAD things.

[Left Now]

Well... it is overall okay. But Iran will have more money to do BAD things.

It all depends what you have been taught as bad.

[Sir Suomi]

A lot of people here simply don't trust you Iranians, to put it bluntly.

Honestly, while I really don't trust you exactly, I'm willing to allow the deal to pass through, as long as it's monitored closely.

[Left Now]

A lot of people here simply don't trust you Iranians, to put it bluntly.

Honestly, while I really don't trust you exactly, I'm willing to allow the deal to pass through, as long as it's monitored closely.

I respect your opinion sincerely , but in my opinion it is not fair in that matter about "Trust".

[Porpoise101]

Well the title says nearly everything.

Seriously I got really surprised to realize how heated discussions are about this matter in the world of media recently.Lots of news,lots of debates,lots of polls,lots of discussions and even lots of quarrels.

Actually the peak of my surprise was when I saw a movie of Hollywood actors and actresses trying to emphasize on the fact this deal must not go into waste.I just really cannot comprehend:What is all the fuss about?
I don't know to be honest. To me it is because of AIPAC which is the pro-Israel lobby who are working hard (read: maybe bribery) to keep the Americans scared of Iran. Here are the 'issues':
- the Iranian government issues official statements telling of the destruction of the US and Israel
- Iran is not a democracy and religious affairs are mixed with the state.
- Iran is big, strong, and Muslim
- Has oil and doesn't like us
- Persecution of minorities like the Bahá'í (who are actually persecuted a lot), but more importantly the Jews and Christians. (sarcasm here)

Mostly the arguement is this: "Do you really want to give those tyrants nukes???"

[Sir Suomi]

I respect your opinion sincerely , but in my opinion it is not fair in that matter about "Trust".

Well, to be fair, both of our sides have mentioned destroying each other and their allies several times. It's not unfair to say that we're really not friends.

[Left Now]

I don't know to be honest. To me it is because of AIPAC which is the pro-Israel lobby who are working hard (read: maybe bribery) to keep the Americans scared of Iran. Here are the 'issues':
- the Iranian government issues official statements telling of the destruction of the US and Israel
- Iran is not a democracy and religious affairs are mixed with the state.
- Iran is big, strong, and Muslim
- Has oil and doesn't like us
- Persecution of minorities like the Bahá'í (who are actually persecuted a lot), but more importantly the Jews and Christians. (sarcasm here)

Mostly the arguement is this: "Do you really want to give those tyrants nukes???"


Yes.Propaganda like always (?).


Well, to be fair, both of our sides have mentioned destroying each other and their allies several times. It's not unfair to say that we're really not friends.

Well as I remember none of high-officials of Iran have ever mentioned destroying United States,there is just a very bitter animosity toward US Administrations (not people of America) here among most majority of people,but none of people in high-positions have ever said "United States must be destroyed!" or "The government of United States must be vanished!"

[Judean Zealot]

Israel- We clearly have much to be worried about from Iran, as they've been funding our bitter enemies for quite a while. We're worried about Iranian expansionism and proxy militias.

America- They consider this deal breaking the alliance with Israel. They are worried about American (read: Saudi) geopolitical interests which are threatened by Iranian expansion


And then there are all the people who are actually worried about Iran nuking Israel or America, as illogical as that fear may be.

[Left Now]

Israel- We clearly have much to be worried about from Iran, as they've been funding our bitter enemies for quite a while. We're worried about Iranian expansionism and proxy militias.

As always I respect your opinions.But Iran's aid to Israel's bitter enemies are primarily for being worried about Israel's expansionism to Syria,Lebanon and rest of Palestinian Territories,and among these bitter enemies,I can only disagree with HAMAS and Islamic Jihad of Palestine which even most Iranians loath them for their views and also their support for likes of Saddam and Bin Laden and also sending militants to fight Syrians among Salafit groups and FSA.


America- They consider this deal breaking the alliance with Israel. They are worried about American (read: Saudi) geopolitical interests which are threatened by Iranian expansion


I really am not sure if this term "Expansionism" is right for Iran's political views or not.




And then there are all the people who are actually worried about Iran nuking Israel or America, as illogical as that fear may be

As impossible as illogical.

[Judean Zealot]

As always I respect your opinions.But Iran's aid to Israel's bitter enemies are primarily for being worried about Israel's expansionism to Syria,Lebanon and rest of Palestinian Territories.

Perhaps, and although I disagree with the characterization of "expansionist" I will not contest it now, because it's irrelevant. Fact is, Israelis consider retention of those lands vital for our continued existence, and as such consider Iranian power a big threat. This is the concern of both many Israelis and American friends of Israel towards the deal. Whether they're right or not is irrelevant to this discussion.


I really am not sure if this term "Expansionism" is right for Iran's political views or not.
If the defensive deployment of proxy militias isn't expansionist, then neither is Israel.




As impossible as illogical.

I tend to agree with you that it won't happen, but these fine folks don't. Besides, what's impossible about a religious country going against their religion for political or military purpose? It's happened many times before.

[Left Now]

Perhaps, and although I disagree with the characterization of "expansionist" I will not contest it now, because it's irrelevant. Fact is, Israelis consider retention of those lands vital for our continued existence, and as such consider Iranian power a big threat. This is the concern of both many Israelis and American friends of Israel towards the deal. Whether they're right or not is irrelevant to this discussion.


Are you talking about retention of lands already under direct control of Israel or not under control of Israel at all?

Because I was talking about Israel's expansionist acts in Southern Lebanon and Syria's Territories and Gaza and West Bank which are not controlled by Israel already.



If the defensive deployment of proxy militias isn't expansionist, then neither is Israel.

As you say "Defensive Deployments".Israel's military forces have had "Offensive Deployments" most of the times during last 40 years.By the way,the only group that can be said is a type of Proxy for Iran is Hezbollah which has already begun becoming to become lesser dependent on Iran;others are independent groups which are only backed or aided by Iran while many of them are even Iran's enemies in mind,like HAMAS.


I tend to agree with you that it won't happen, but these fine folks don't. Besides, what's impossible about a religious country going against their religion for political or military purpose? It's happened many times before.


Well I can assure you that it will never happen in Iran under this government which claims to be Islamic Republic.If this,production and possession of WMDs,happens in Iran,it will collapse from inside.

This is not a matter of "Profit and Loss" for Iran,it is a matter or "Be or not to Be".

[Judean Zealot]

Are you talking about retention of lands already under direct control of Israel or not under control of Israel at all?

Because I was talking about Israel's expansionist acts in Southern Lebanon and Syria's Territories and Gaza and West Bank which are not controlled by Israel already.




As you say "Defensive Deployments".Israel's military forces have had "Offensive Deployments" most of the times during last 40 years.By the way,the only group that can be said is a type of Proxy for Iran is Hezbollah which has already begun becoming to become lesser dependent on Iran;others are independent groups which are only backed or aided by Iran while many of them are even Iran's enemies in mind,like HAMAS.

I will not get into this argument now. You're reacting with incredulity to a sentiment based in the fact that Iran has propped up enemies of Israel, and continues to do so. Do you truly not understand why they oppose this deal?



Well I can assure you that it will never happen in Iran under this government which claims to be Islamic Republic.If this,production and possession of WMDs,happens in Iran,it will collapse from inside.

This is not a matter of "Profit and Loss" for Iran,it is a matter or "Be or not to Be".

I'm glad you're so confident of your government's and people's incorruptible ideals, but if there's anything we learn from history, it's that the general masses can be easily manipulated by politicians. I would be more cautious in trusting anybody so resolutely.

[Left Now]

I will not get into this argument now. You're reacting with incredulity to a sentiment based in the fact that Iran has propped up enemies of Israel, and continues to do so. Do you truly not understand why they oppose this deal?


Alright my friend don't get angry,I got what you said.



I'm glad you're so confident of your government's and people's incorruptible ideals, but if there's anything we learn from history, it's that the general masses can be easily manipulated by politicians. I would be more cautious in trusting anybody so resolutely

It is not about being confident of anything my friend,you surely do not know Iranians in these matters.Only a mistake like this is enough to be made and then all "Ammame-o-Aba'" will be torn apart.

People will chew clerics with their teeth and tear them apart with bare hands if such a mistake like this be made and all religious and devotions will be put aside.

Islamic Republic will be destroyed itself without any foreign act of invasion or intervention by its own supporters if this happens.

[Judean Zealot]

Broken Pen

I don't know about this. I'm very skeptical.

[Left Now]

Judean Zealot

Many people are including myself;no problem my friend.:)

[Vlerchan]

People make too much of a big deal about Iran. The deal is basically good for everyone except them, Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Europe has cheaper and more secure gas.
The dividends of this can be funnelled across to the US through TTIP.
In the more medium-term the dividends can also be funnelled across the New Silk Road to East Asian economies.
It comes at the cost of empowering Iran who:
Have managed to tie them up in multiple expensive conflicts, Iraq, Syria, and Yemen.
Have a weak economic outlook considering the extent their economy is dependent on oil revenue and further chocked by the IRGC (http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/iran-the-high-cost-the-irgcs-economic-might-9495).
Have a declining fertility rate, towards if not at a level below that of replacement
So, I'm not seeing the problem.

[Porpoise101]

Israel- We clearly have much to be worried about from Iran, as they've been funding our bitter enemies for quite a while. We're worried about Iranian expansionism and proxy militias.

America- They consider this deal breaking the alliance with Israel. They are worried about American (read: Saudi) geopolitical interests which are threatened by Iranian expansion


And then there are all the people who are actually worried about Iran nuking Israel or America, as illogical as that fear may be.
Well as usual they mix in a little fact to give their claims legitimacy. To them, because event A happened, unrelated event B has or is going to happen.