Serbian police to ban planned anti-migrant rallies

[tovaris]

unike germany Serbia is a civilized country

The Serbian Ministry of Interior (MUP) will ban anti-migrant gatherings planned for August 31 "by organizations such are Dveri, Nasi and Obraz."


"We will not allow outbursts of hate and intolerance to be characteristics of the Republic of Serbia. The MUP will not authorize any kind of gatherings to be held against the migrants and others who are forced to pass through Serbia because of war or unfavorable living conditions in their own countries."

He told the press that the MUP "will not support any fascist gatherings, especially because Serbia has had a long-lasting anti-fascist tradition. "

As Stefanovic puts it, Serbia wishes to convey the message that everyone who is passing through is always whole-heartedly welcome.

Source: http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=95228

[Exocet]

Can't the people show that they are fed up of these so called migrants ?
Just accept migrants,fanatics into Europe and shut the fck up,it seems to be the message.

[Stronk Serb]

I also heard cases that they breach hulls of their boats on purpose in territorial waters of France and Italy so the navy has to pick them up. Also our government bans every protest that is against EU agendas. Fuck off.

[thegreatgatz]

Radical Islam is not conducive with the construction of socialism, neither is Islam. It is less conducive to it than Christianity

[Exocet]

I also heard cases that they breach hulls of their boats on purpose in territorial waters of France and Italy so the navy has to pick them up. Also our government bans every protest that is against EU agendas. Fuck off.

The problem is Italy. They pick up everyone off libyan coasts. But dont send them back. Until EU will take radical decisions,the boats will continue to flood us.

[wolf g]

Radical Islam is not conducive with the construction of socialism, neither is Islam. It is less conducive to it than Christianity
what do you mean?

[Left Now]

Radical Islam is not conducive with the construction of socialism, neither is Islam. It is less conducive to it than Christianity

A wrong statement made by a man who may have good intentions but lacks enough knowledge.

[Judean Zealot]

Islam not compatible with Socialism? What were Assad and Nasser's Ba'ath Parties?

[Left Now]

Islam not compatible with Socialism? What were Assad and Nasser's Ba'ath Parties?

Would not be because of foolish acts of Caliphates (from first to last) in thinking about becoming an empire like others and expand their land through military acts and once again become filled with pre-Muhammad Arabia's traditions which made their ways to a new form of royalty ,The territory under Muslim rule would be the second place completely ready for ideologies similar to today's Socialism,after Fars region of Sassanid Empire which was being heated by the ideologies of Mani which was also in some ways similar to it.

Unfortunately,it seems that even Muhammad himself predicted what would happen to his cause after his death,as did Ali Ibn Abi Talib.

[Judean Zealot]

Broken Pen

I would be really interested to have a discussion with you comparing the Jewish and Muslim systems of government (as both religions have a thorough system of governance). I would classify the Jewish system as being moderately socialist.

[Left Now]

Broken Pen

I would be really interested to have a discussion with you comparing the Jewish and Muslim systems of government (as both religions have a thorough system of governance). I would classify the Jewish system as being moderately socialist.

With pleasure my friend.Anytime you see fine to start.

[Judean Zealot]

Idk, but not now. :P

I don't have the head for it at the moment.

[Left Now]

Judean Zealot,alright anytime you see appropriate.

[Judean Zealot]

I'll probably create a thread on Saturday night.

[Stronk Serb]

The problem is Italy. They pick up everyone off libyan coasts. But dont send them back. Until EU will take radical decisions,the boats will continue to flood us.

Italy is like a child bringing in rabid stray dogs into the house. Also the minister of interior allowed the gay pride parade despite it needed every riot trooper in the country but will not allow this. Filthy traitorous snot.

[Judean Zealot]

Italy is like a child bringing in rabid stray dogs into the house. Also the minister of interior allowed the gay pride parade despite it needed every riot trooper in the country but will not allow this. Filthy traitorous snot.

Is that because of malice or because the far right demonstrators actually end up hurting people?

[Vlerchan]

More or less what Judean Zealot says right above.

Islam not compatible with Socialism? What were Assad and Nasser's Ba'ath Parties?
Pointedly Secularist from my understanding. Though I don't believe he's referring to Socialism in the same non-Marxian sense.

[Exocet]

Italy is like a child bringing in rabid stray dogs into the house. Also the minister of interior allowed the gay pride parade despite it needed every riot trooper in the country but will not allow this. Filthy traitorous snot.

Instead of sending all riot police protecting gays doing their provocating shits,they should have been deployed on borders to stop migrants. Protecting gays is more important than protecting Europe... no wonder we are fcked up.

[Judean Zealot]

Pointedly Secularist from my understanding. Though I don't believe he's referring to Socialism in the same non-Marxian sense.

Pan-Arabic socialism has had much support from the clerical class- Al-Husseini comes to mind.

[Vlerchan]

Pan-Arabic socialism has had much support from the clerical class- Al-Husseini comes to mind.
Sure. Political realities in the ME more or less demands that successful regimes have support from the clerical class in some manner. But that doesn't make Islam conductive to socialism - Or Ba'athist socialism Islamic in outlook.

Ba'athist states have also still had clerical-reactionaries rise up against them whenever the chance arose: Ba'athism's emergence in Syria was preceded a decade or armed struggle from Islamists - and clerical forces jumped to revolt post-gulf war in Iraq. Looking an the most recent histories of Libya, Iraq, and Syria just demonstrates to me how eager Islamists are to dismantle non-Islamic-centric nationalism when the chance arises.

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I'm almost not sure if I class Al-Husseini as a Ba'athist. Did he ever refer to himself as one?

I would imagine you would be more aware of his political biography than me.

[Stronk Serb]

Instead of sending all riot police protecting gays doing their provocating shits,they should have been deployed on borders to stop migrants. Protecting gays is more important than protecting Europe... no wonder we are fcked up.

Yeah, whenever another far right party protested in well, two to three time smaller numbers than the gays, there needed to be only a hundred policemen and even that was too much.

Is that because of malice or because the far right demonstrators actually end up hurting people?

Let's see, the far righters made a counter-demonstration to some "genocide" apologetic NGO, there was no violence. Also they had several protests that weren't violent, those that weren't banned at least. The government does that because of malice and to prevent the spreading of the truth and making the EU look bad, because it's all sell our asses and souls to the EU these days.

[wolf g]

the war wich is in middle east it's not normal mohammed never said to the muslims fight with any one you find him in your way he nevere said kill babies like in suria and irak
most of persons think that jihad is just kill no did mohammed sai that no
in badr and every war he did it with the enemies he told his army don't kill old mans don'i kill children don't hurt wemmens either the vegitebals the islem is desagree with that the war wich is now in the world between muslims and the Infidels must have rules
if mohammed will see that of curs he will be said because all what he told his friends now it's come true
even in quoran allah never said kill with any reason ,am i wrong muslims?

[phuckphace]

EU membership is like a forbidden fruit that turns out to be poisonous. it looks tasty but after you eat it you have to deal with the consequences (which in this case means watching your paid-off politicians throwing your borders wide open for migrants to pilfer).

look at all that garbage strewn about below the platform (pic in the other thread). not my country so who gives a shit, says the migrant as he takes a piss on a old monument.

[Dalcourt]

unike germany Serbia is a civilized country

The Serbian Ministry of Interior (MUP) will ban anti-migrant gatherings planned for August 31 "by organizations such are Dveri, Nasi and Obraz."


"We will not allow outbursts of hate and intolerance to be characteristics of the Republic of Serbia. The MUP will not authorize any kind of gatherings to be held against the migrants and others who are forced to pass through Serbia because of war or unfavorable living conditions in their own countries."

He told the press that the MUP "will not support any fascist gatherings, especially because Serbia has had a long-lasting anti-fascist tradition. "

As Stefanovic puts it, Serbia wishes to convey the message that everyone who is passing through is always whole-heartedly welcome.

Source: http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=95228

When I read this correctly those people are just passing through your country to reach another destination? So then consider yourselves lucky that they don't want to stay, take your money and jobs and make Serbia a Muslim country.
Why stop them at you borders or within your country with protesting and or rioting against them? To make them stay longer in you place instead of just moving on?

[Stronk Serb]

When I read this correctly those people are just passing through your country to reach another destination? So then consider yourselves lucky that they don't want to stay, take your money and jobs and make Serbia a Muslim country.
Why stop them at you borders or within your country with protesting and or rioting against them? To make them stay longer in you place instead of just moving on?

They stopped letting them at the Hungarian border so they stay here all the time. Also, the traitorous government signed a deal that very rejected migrant that entered the EU through Serbia gets deported here and well, they started rejecting, also we do nothing to ship them back to Syria or wherever they came from and they keep draining our budget.

[Dalcourt]

They stopped letting them at the Hungarian border so they stay here all the time. Also, the traitorous government signed a deal that very rejected migrant that entered the EU through Serbia gets deported here and well, they started rejecting, also we do nothing to ship them back to Syria or wherever they came from and they keep draining our budget.

ah, okay...I was just wondering cuz our news here aren't really stating anything about European countries and their problems with the refugees/ migrants. I mainly read bits and pieces of it on this forum.

why do they stopping them from reaching the Hungarian border...is it a EU deal, too? I mean in order to stop them reaching countries like Germany or France? Cuz I guess that's where most of them want to go, right?

my opinion on this whole problem is a bit mixed. I mean it's okay to feel overwhelmed by this whole thing as it also costs a lot of money. but on the other hand, I mean if you life in a place where there's war and poverty and whatever...it's understandable that you try to get to a better place.

still, not allowing protests is wrong....everyone had the right to their own opinion freedom of speech and such...
but from what I gather I feel that most Europeans have a problem with that. They proclaim being free countries but you are only free to speak if its the opinion of the majority and its something nice and positive you have to say and sadly enough the USA become more and more like that, too...just think about the racism discussion there at the moment.

anyway I'm sorry if I as any stupid questions about European politics and stuff but where I live people aren't interested in other countries not even in northern USA states so I can only gather some info on the internet and you never know what's reliable and/ or true.

[Stronk Serb]

ah, okay...I was just wondering cuz our news here aren't really stating anything about European countries and their problems with the refugees/ migrants. I mainly read bits and pieces of it on this forum.

why do they stopping them from reaching the Hungarian border...is it a EU deal, too? I mean in order to stop them reaching countries like Germany or France? Cuz I guess that's where most of them want to go, right?

my opinion on this whole problem is a bit mixed. I mean it's okay to feel overwhelmed by this whole thing as it also costs a lot of money. but on the other hand, I mean if you life in a place where there's war and poverty and whatever...it's understandable that you try to get to a better place.

still, not allowing protests is wrong....everyone had the right to their own opinion freedom of speech and such...
but from what I gather I feel that most Europeans have a problem with that. They proclaim being free countries but you are only free to speak if its the opinion of the majority and its something nice and positive you have to say and sadly enough the USA become more and more like that, too...just think about the racism discussion there at the moment.

anyway I'm sorry if I as any stupid questions about European politics and stuff but where I live people aren't interested in other countries not even in northern USA states so I can only gather some info on the internet and you never know what's reliable and/ or true.

Europe is full, everyone wants to go to France and Germany because they are rich but the Germans stopped taking and they built a fence across the Serb-Hungarian border so they wouldn't reach the EU. In Germany you have nationalist grouos attacking them so they would move out. Also in Italy some migrants destroyed a statue of the Virgin Mary and urinated on it. Also they have about 10 countries at peace in their vicinity but they go to the EU because it gives them free shit. On the Balkan route, 90% of them are masculine men in theur late twenties and early thirties, military capable. Isn't that a tad bit suspicious? Also they disrespect the laws and customs of the countries they are in. Ship them all back where they came from.

[Dalcourt]

Europe is full, everyone wants to go to France and Germany because they are rich but the Germans stopped taking and they built a fence across the Serb-Hungarian border so they wouldn't reach the EU. In Germany you have nationalist grouos attacking them so they would move out. Also in Italy some migrants destroyed a statue of the Virgin Mary and urinated on it. Also they have about 10 countries at peace in their vicinity but they go to the EU because it gives them free shit. On the Balkan route, 90% of them are masculine men in theur late twenties and early thirties, military capable. Isn't that a tad bit suspicious? Also they disrespect the laws and customs of the countries they are in. Ship them all back where they came from.

Well, it's always easier to just go away to a place where you get stff for free instead of taking a gun and defend your family and belongings. It's always easier to sit and cry for help than get up and work to improve your situation. I really hate this mentality. Yesterday I have been to a 10 year hurricane Katrina memorial...and listened to hours of the American version of this whining shit, sorry I'm rambling.

Anyway the whole thing sounds appalling and seems to get more and more out of hand...politicians should rather work on a solution to this whole shit than cutting their own people's right to free speech.
I also feel that the USA is also somehow responsible for the terrible situation in Europe. if our so called attempt at a war on terrorism hadn't destabilized the whole middle east and northern Africa radicals wouldn't have it so easy to get so popular there...and then the situation wouldn't have escalated as it has now.

[Stronk Serb]

Well, it's always easier to just go away to a place where you get stff for free instead of taking a gun and defend your family and belongings. It's always easier to sit and cry for help than get up and work to improve your situation. I really hate this mentality. Yesterday I have been to a 10 year hurricane Katrina memorial...and listened to hours of the American version of this whining shit, sorry I'm rambling.

Anyway the whole thing sounds appalling and seems to get more and more out of hand...politicians should rather work on a solution to this whole shit than cutting their own people's right to free speech.
I also feel that the USA is also somehow responsible for the terrible situation in Europe. if our so called attempt at a war on terrorism hadn't destabilized the whole middle east and northern Africa radicals wouldn't have it so easy to get so popular there...and then the situation wouldn't have escalated as it has now.

They interviewed some guy from Damascus here and he said something alo g the lines "why would I fayt for Ass-ad when Germoney can gib me good euromonies? When i get residency i bring mama, grandma, brothersnd sister!". Also he kept rubbing it how he lived better in ore-war Syria and how it was better than here. If it was so fucking better, GTFO!

[Apassionato]

As much as I disagree with the opinions of the people in these rallies(there are valid points against the recent immigration wave, but you're not going to hear them at these rallies)...it's a basic democratic right to have them. If opinions we disagree with, even opinions we find repulsive, aren't allowed to exist, why even bother pretending we live in a free society?

[Stronk Serb]

As much as I disagree with the opinions of the people in these rallies(there are valid points against the recent immigration wave, but you're not going to hear them at these rallies)...it's a basic democratic right to have them. If opinions we disagree with, even opinions we find repulsive, aren't allowed to exist, why even bother pretending we live in a free society?

Well, I do agree that further immigration will destroy European economies and will push out the native cultures which will be replaced by agressive cultures that the migrants brought in so instead of the humanist society we grew uo in, we will grow up in an eurooean caliphate.

[Apassionato]

I don't think we're quite heading for that extreme yet, but yes, I do believe that is a future possibility. We already see European economies struggling under the added weight.

And I absolutely do think Islam in particular is problematic in itself, its teachings are not compatible with a modern society. Neither are Christianity and Judaism, btw, before people start calling me an "Islamophobe" or racist - but the reality of the situation is neither of those are typically interpreted as close to the text nowadays.

As is the sad fact that culture is less civilized in a lot of the countries people currently come from. One look at violent crime statistics is all the evidence needed to understand that. An influx of people more likely to have extremist ideas and more likely to resort to violence is dangerous.

[Stronk Serb]

I don't think we're quite heading for that extreme yet, but yes, I do believe that is a future possibility. We already see European economies struggling under the added weight.

And I absolutely do think Islam in particular is problematic in itself, its teachings are not compatible with a modern society. Neither are Christianity and Judaism, btw, before people start calling me an "Islamophobe" or racist - but the reality of the situation is neither of those are typically interpreted as close to the text nowadays.

As is the sad fact that culture is less civilized in a lot of the countries people currently come from. One look at violent crime statistics is all the evidence needed to understand that. An influx of people more likely to have extremist ideas and more likely to resort to violence is dangerous.

Both Judaism and all Christianity's sects in Europe have reached a tolerant standpoint and have been separated from the state by humanist ideas being implemented. Muslims mostly trump those rules and make their own, and despite having a small percent of extremists, the rest would rather support them than the tolerant government.

[Apassionato]

Exactly what I was saying. Christians and Jews in Europe don't typically interpret their text as closely to the written word anymore and are therefore more tolerant. Islam is still frequently interpreted in a "word of god/the prophet, 100% literal, kill the unbelievers" fashion while similarly messed up passages in Christian and Jewish teachings are usually flat out ignored now.

[Stronk Serb]

Exactly what I was saying. Christians and Jews in Europe don't typically interpret their text as closely to the written word anymore and are therefore more tolerant. Islam is still frequently interpreted in a "word of god/the prophet, 100% literal, kill the unbelievers" fashion while similarly messed up passages in Christian and Jewish teachings are usually flat out ignored now.

Yeah, I mean the only countries in Europe where Muslims wouldn't gain a foothold is Slavic Eastern Eurooe because the local religious is stronger than the Muslim immigrants. I think in Russia the Muslim immigrants would also be disliked by several local Muslim ethnicities simply because those ethnicities identify more as members of the whole family of the Russian Federation than they identify as Muslims.

[Exocet]

The most funniest thing is that they want to choose the countries they want to be in... if i remember on a documentary,some erithrean or somalian migrants have been told thzt they could end up in Estonia,or Poland or Romania,and they replied... no no we want Sweden,Uk,Germany.... Sure better go to the countried that give the best welfare ! Poor Sweden being destroyed in the name of multiculturalism or whatsoever... Beggars cant and shouldnt choose.

[Stronk Serb]

The most funniest thing is that they want to choose the countries they want to be in... if i remember on a documentary,some erithrean or somalian migrants have been told thzt they could end up in Estonia,or Poland or Romania,and they replied... no no we want Sweden,Uk,Germany.... Sure better go to the countried that give the best welfare ! Poor Sweden being destroyed in the name of multiculturalism or whatsoever... Beggars cant and shouldnt choose.

Literally every country around Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan is at peace, but the lazy migrant wants welfare. Did all of the refugees from Srpska Krajina march up to Germany for free euromonies? No, they went here and worked for money. Germany should institute a law where welfare for migrants has to be repaid with 50% interest minimum (I would put another zero so that is 500% just in case) because, you know, the state is not a mommy to the locals, nor it should be to the migrants.

[Vlerchan]

Illegal immigrants can't access welfare.

Immigrants choose Western European states because these have more favourable economic climates and more important are more tolerant of immigrants and immigrant labour.

Whether people want to believe it or not Muslims also aren't scheeming to eliminate glorious Western culture.

[Exocet]

Illegal immigrants can't access welfare.

Immigrants choose Western European states because these have more favourable economic climates and more important are more tolerant of immigrants and immigrant labour.

Whether people want to believe it or not Muslims also aren't scheeming to eliminate glorious Western culture.


They came in peace. Thats why they are enforcing Sharia in some places in UK and thats why there are sharia controlled zone. They cant integrate to Europe. We are so different.

[phuckphace]

Neither are Christianity and Judaism

I agree with the rest of your post but not this bit. Christianity and Judaism have not impeded the development of "modern" societies, if anything high civilization in the West was predominately Christian for a long time. you'll also note that Israel more than meets the definition of "modern" as well, despite the fact that it's secretly controlled by the Jews (shhh!).

fundamentalist Islam, otoh, not so much. these people are the definition of primitive.

[Apassionato]

They're different flavours of the same religion, Christianity and Judaism have just evolved further. They all have creepily similar fundamentalist groups within them.
It doesn't matter. In the end, all religion is holding humanity back. The degree to which they do it is just different.

[Left Now]

They're different flavours of the same religion, Christianity and Judaism have just evolved further.

Well I would rather get into history in these matters,as nearly every old member of this site knows I usually do,and say that it is absolutely without sense to say Christianity and Judaism have both evolved (in both good ways and bad ways) and Islam has not.

If you just take a little look at history,you will realize that early Muslim governments in 8th-11th centuries were in more ways similar to what people in general these days so-call "evolved" or "secular" than other governments in Europe and other areas in 14th-17th.

Unfortunately,little by little Caliphates adopted new bad ways and methods among good ones from European and other societies which without any doubt caused the downfall of Muslims during early 17th till present.But it is completely certain that saying that today Christianity and Judaism or any other religion is more evolved than Islam is more than nonsense.Only because so-called followers of a cause are doing bad,it does not mean itself is surely bad too.

[Apassionato]

Good job shooting right past the point and attacking semantics instead!

And of course religion is objectively bad in itself, it has nothing to do with what its followers are doing or if they are good or bad people. Any irrational belief is, because it stops us from looking at the world as it is.

[Left Now]

Good job shooting right past the point and attacking semantics instead!

And of course religion is objectively bad in itself, it has nothing to do with what its followers are doing or if they are good or bad people. Any irrational belief is, because it stops us from looking at the world as it is.

I believe every cause is flawless at first,those who so-call themselves their followers and bring new bad methods to them are not,and these are they who pave the road for its downfall.Also,many philosophers of each Judaism and Islam and Buddhism and Christianity and Shamanism and Zoroastrianism and etc. who took their people's thoughts ahead of the time were religious people,so it completely shows that being religious does not mean having irrational beliefs.

[Judean Zealot]

Good job shooting right past the point and attacking semantics instead!

And of course religion is objectively bad in itself, it has nothing to do with what its followers are doing or if they are good or bad people. Any irrational belief is, because it stops us from looking at the world as it is.

Of course, you're begging the question over here. Why is Ibn Sinnah, Aquinas, or Maimonides's model of religion irrational?

[phuckphace]

Good job shooting right past the point and attacking semantics instead!

And of course religion is objectively bad in itself, it has nothing to do with what its followers are doing or if they are good or bad people. Any irrational belief is, because it stops us from looking at the world as it is.

*tips fedora*

ugh I really want my own flying car and sex robot but those ugh christians are holding us back

[Exocet]

*tips fedora*

ugh I really want my own flying car and sex robot but those ugh christians are holding us back

Man,i love you.

[Vlerchan]

They came in peace. Thats why they are enforcing Sharia in some places in UK[.]
Muslims can't enforce sharia because Muslims aren't the legal sovereign.

Just like Jews in the UK can't impose the rulings of their Beth Din.

and thats why there are sharia controlled zone.
You'll need to be more specific. Is this a reference to the so-called no-go zones that seem more a product of socio-economic disadvantage and alienation than high Muslim densities?

They cant integrate to Europe. We are so different.
Feel free to source a single claim made whenever you feel like it.

[Exocet]

Muslims can't enforce sharia because Muslims aren't the legal sovereign.

Just like Jews in the UK can't impose the rulings of their Beth Din.


You'll need to be more specific. Is this a reference to the so-called no-go zones that seem more a product of socio-economic disadvantage and alienation than high Muslim densities?


Feel free to source a single claim made whenever you feel like it.

Oh please. Just search that video where muslims were enforcing their sharia or whatever in a British street,i wont talk about all these signs sharia for uk,police go to hell etc..
And when you guys will realize they are a threat and cant coexist with us. They cannot coexist with anyone. Should there be more lee rigby cases and charlie hebdo type attacks to force the European to accept the truth ? You are living on an island,far from any of these so called refugees,come here and see reality..... refusing help because there is red cross on boxes... throwing away water given by the Hungarian police... shouting allah akbar everywhere...
Im waiting to the day theyll backstabb you,ill be here,laughing.... thinking they came in peace...

[Vlerchan]

Oh please. Just search that video where muslims were enforcing their sharia or whatever in a British street,i wont talk about all these signs sharia for uk,police go to hell etc..
You don't seem to be eager to talk about a single thing relating to Muslims in detail at all. Please produce some sort of report documenting the systematic issues in place here. I don't want videos - I don't want pictures: because these can be misleading. I want actual concrete evidence.

And when you guys will realize they are a threat and cant coexist with us. They cannot coexist with anyone. Should there be more lee rigby cases and charlie hebdo type attacks to force the European to accept the truth ?
Highlighting the actions of radical minorities within the Muslim community isn't the sort of evidence I was looking for. I shouldn't need to mention it's fallacious.

You in particular have picked the wrong political ideology to play that card at any rate.

You are living on an island,far from any of these so called refugees,come here and see reality
This is an ad hominem.

Im waiting to the day theyll backstabb you,ill be here,laughing.... thinking they came in peace...
Lol. Ok.

Tell me when you have that verifiable evidence I requested.

[Exocet]

You don't seem to be eager to talk about a single thing relating to Muslims at all. Please produce some sort of report documenting the systematic issues in place here. I don't want videos - I don't want pictures: because these can be misleading. I want actual concrete evidence.


Highlighting the actions of radical minorities within the Muslim community isn't the sort of evidence I wasn't looking for. I shouldn't need to mention it's fallacious.

You in particular have picked the wrong political ideology to play that card at any rate.


This is an ad hominem.


Lol. Ok.

Tell me when you have that verifiable evidence I requested.

So you will only open ur eyes if i only i quote or give an evidence of the situation? Lmfao. Dont forget that these guys consider all of us as KUFFARS,infidels.

[Vlerchan]

So you will only open ur eyes if i only i quote or give an evidence of the situation? Lmfao.
Yes. I like to see evidence before I form opinions.

Dont forget that these guys consider all of us as KUFFARS,infidels.
I'm going to hell already according to the Christians anyways.

You're repeated attempts to drag the thread off the topic of issuing proof are noted though.

[Exocet]

Yes. I like to see evidence before I form opinions.


I'm going to hell already according to the Christians anyways.

You're repeated attempts to drag the thread off the topic of issuing proof are noted though.

You want me to quote BBC maybe ?

[Judean Zealot]

Lol @ this thread.

[Vlerchan]

You want me to quote BBC maybe ?
I want something beyond your own prejudices at least.

[phuckphace]

You'll need to be more specific. Is this a reference to the so-called no-go zones that seem more a product of socio-economic disadvantage and alienation than high Muslim densities?

I take it you don't believe these two phenomena might be correlated, at all?

[Vlerchan]

I take it you don't believe these two phenomena might be correlated, at all?
Sure - the literature suggests that groups that suffer greater socio-economic disadvantage and civic alienation tend to be more patriotic. [i.e in opposition to assimilation] The point I'm making though is that socio-economic arrangements prompts this - and not Muslims at some inherent level.

This holds regardless of the culture involved.

In France 'sensitive zone' refers to more than just neighbourhoods with high Muslim densities. It's just that Muslims tend to make up a disproportionate amount of the French underclass.

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It took a lot of goodness on my side to not misread that an head on a tangent about Muslims as a disprivledged group.