Who will/would u vote for?

[Collinsworthington]

Who did you pick and why?

[Bull]

I will be voting for first time. Too early to make choice. Not impressed by anyone yet.

[Cognizant]

I'm leaning towards Sanders

[thegreatgatz]

Sanders>Hillary
Sanders >Jeb
Sanders>Trump
Hillary<Trump
Hillary<Jeb
Trump>Jeb

[phuckphace]

if Sanders wasn't such an old wuss...

http://i.imgur.com/wrTRtZC.jpg

"B..but...I marched with MLK!"
"DAS RAYCIS!"

:lol3:

[Babs]

I'd vote for Sanders. The rest of the candidates seem slimy and dubious.

[DriveAlive]

Im going to vote for Hillary because she is a social liberal and fiscal moderate. She has the experience and the balls to run a country and she will foster bipartisan support. Sanders has no chance of winning, although I like him best. Like many, I am a little smitten by Trump, though.

[phuckphace]

Sanders could've swept this election like a Himalayan avalanche if he had combined his socialism with Trump-style populism for a "socialism for normal people" campaign.

he's going to need a miracle (or maybe just a wizardkin)

http://i.imgur.com/FOPdf6S.jpg

[ndrwmxwll]

a vote for non-socialist sanders is a vote for a warmongling imperialist and israeli apartheid

[Stronk Serb]

Why, I would vote for myself of course.

[Left Now]

Since I am not living in US,so I cannot say I have any right to even say that "I would vote for ...".

It is all up to United States citizens.

[Taryn98]

None of the above. Those are 4 terrible choices.

[thegreatgatz]

Why, I would vote for myself of course.

I would to, if I agreed with your platform.

[SethfromMI]

I think it is a shame Dr. Ben Carson is not getting more attention. The man will stand up for our country, is not afraid of actually dealing with hostile enemies towards America, is incredibly smart, does not want our country to be torn apart by race wars (his comments about skin color been completely trivial are amazing, if you haven't seen them look up Ben Carson and race on youtube). There are a lot of things I have been enjoying about Carson

out of the four listed though, probably Trump

[phuckphace]

lol at the idea that racial animosity is primarily rooted in "skin color", someone who apparently has no clue what's going on but wants to make deep and thoughtful statements about it anyway

[Seahawks15]

I'm voting for Sanders if I could,I'm not of age yet.I love his ideas of free tuition and a higher minumum wage because most families can't afford to send of their kids to college because of the high price and today's minimum wage can't even pay for the rent of a two bedroom apartment.He seems like a very kind,genuine politician.I was so disgusted when the Black Lives Matter movement disrupted his Seattle rally like that.It was so disgusting for them to push a nice elder out like that and start yelling and chanting.Such a great way to support for your organization by pushing elderly citizens away,good going.Although,I am a supporter of their movement,my two favorite activists are Rosa Parks and MLK Jr.I was so glad that nothing bad like that happened at his huge Portland rally,drawing 28,000 people to fill the Moda Center to max capacity while 9,000 waited outside to catch a glimpse of him and to listen to his speech on the speakers outside.The best part it was FREE! Hillary Clinton charged like $2,500 to attend her speech.Who's getting the votes for Democrat now? I'll give you a hint,it's not Clinton.

[phuckphace]

there's a conspiracy theory being bandied about that the BLM people were paid by Hillary to discredit Sanders' campaign. Sanders is running a left-populist campaign and is her only real threat. Clinton's lust for power is obvious, that much is certain.

then there's the other conspiracy theory that Donald Trumps campaign is also a Hillary-led sleight of hand to split the Republican vote and cement her own victory. I entertained the idea of supporting Trump for about 15 minutes, but then I remembered what country I'm in and snapped out of it. it's still rigged, folks.

[tonymontana99]

There are people here who unironically think Bernie "The Cuck" Sanders would be a good president... Dr. Ben Carson or Marco Rubio would be the greatest ones.

[DriveAlive]

there's a conspiracy theory being bandied about that the BLM people were paid by Hillary to discredit Sanders' campaign. Sanders is running a left-populist campaign and is her only real threat. Clinton's lust for power is obvious, that much is certain.

then there's the other conspiracy theory that Donald Trumps campaign is also a Hillary-led sleight of hand to split the Republican vote and cement her own victory. I entertained the idea of supporting Trump for about 15 minutes, but then I remembered what country I'm in and snapped out of it. it's still rigged, folks.

There is no Clinton conspiracy going on. She doesn't need one to beat the Republicans. Are there more poor people and immigrants than rich white people? Then the democrats will win.

[phuckphace]

There is no Clinton conspiracy going on. She doesn't need one to beat the Republicans. Are there more poor people and immigrants than rich white people? Then the democrats will win.

I agree, actually. I do think the one about Trump might have some merit though. Trump has a history of supporting the Dems, and would probably be Hillary's fuckbuddy if she weren't a dyke. the Democrats' worst fear is a right-populist movement gaining serious traction, so it does kind of make dirty political sense for Hillary to pwn it early before it gets 2big. the Republicans unwittingly took part in the Dem's rush to import a gorillion proles so they'd win elections for days (decades). rich people are generally soulless and apathetic (read: success-driven and shrewd) to the fate of the country they lord over. like I said in the other thread, it's theoretically possible for a guy to have billions of dollars and be a genuinely decent guy who cares about his country, but they're just so few and far between that I get suspicious.

you also can't deny that the Clintons are shifty fuckers who have broken your laws over 69 million times and gotten away with it because power and cash. if you can at least admit that then I think we're well on our way to finally agreeing on something for once lol

[DriveAlive]

you also can't deny that the Clintons are shifty fuckers who have broken your laws over 69 million times and gotten away with it because power and cash. if you can at least admit that then I think we're well on our way to finally agreeing on something for once lol
I will agree that there is a lot of shadiness surrounding the Clintons, perhaps moreso than any other candidate running. It is all very reminiscent of the Kennedys. With that said, I believe this level of political mobility will be might useful in navigating a partisan Congress.

[wolf g]

i don't leave in USA so i can't vote

[kylem1229]

I would say that there really isnt anyone good running. They all have their good and bad perks Ex some are better at economy, but suck at foreign relations. We dont really have any candidate who is good at everything. This is probably one of the worst election years in a long time.

[Sir Suomi]

Paul. Anyone else is fucking terrible.

[Uranus]

Deez Nuts :bigsmile:

[Drewboyy]

I agree, actually. I do think the one about Trump might have some merit though. Trump has a history of supporting the Dems, and would probably be Hillary's fuckbuddy if she weren't a dyke. the Democrats' worst fear is a right-populist movement gaining serious traction, so it does kind of make dirty political sense for Hillary to pwn it early before it gets 2big. the Republicans unwittingly took part in the Dem's rush to import a gorillion proles so they'd win elections for days (decades). rich people are generally soulless and apathetic (read: success-driven and shrewd) to the fate of the country they lord over. like I said in the other thread, it's theoretically possible for a guy to have billions of dollars and be a genuinely decent guy who cares about his country, but they're just so few and far between that I get suspicious.

you also can't deny that the Clintons are shifty fuckers who have broken your laws over 69 million times and gotten away with it because power and cash. if you can at least admit that then I think we're well on our way to finally agreeing on something for once lol

You used the correct number there. 69 million is a very appropriate number for the Clintons lol

[Porpoise101]

Sanders is who I'd optimally choose because left-wing populism is what we need. It's really sad that the US has such a sucky talent pool with regards for politics on the left though. If only we had as many interesting characters that the right does...

On the right the best candidates are probably Ben Carson or Rand Paul.

[chrisawesome]

Between a goofy Democrat who no one has even heard of, a criminal in foreign affairs, a man from a family who ran a crappy government, and a billionaire who can take care of the national debt with his checking account alone, tells the truth whether you like it or not, is disgusted by the way the government has been run for decades, relates to even the middle class's concerns, has tremendous motivation, and succeeds in everything he does but can't explain his plan. I'd vote Trump! Rand Paul sucks and Ben Carson I like, yet his speech speed may hurt him but that's Americas problem. Right now it takes motivation in congress not planning. Of all the planning going on not a damn worthwhile thing has been done for the past 8+ years, he'll the government even shut down!

[RunnerRunner]

I would vote for Bugs Bunny (terrible candidates, all of them)

[tonymontana99]

We all know the only candidate that should be elected is Dr. Ben Carson. Why are we even discussing this? A Trump/Carson duo would be the greatest thing that ever happened in the US.

[lyhom]

from these options if I weren't canadian and literally weeks away from being eligible to vote in 2016 anyways sanders is probably the least worst

from the other options, I feel that at least trump and clinton are counting less on their actual policies and more on the fact that they're known in the public eye already and bush just seems like a stereotypical republican

[DriveAlive]

We all know the only candidate that should be elected is Dr. Ben Carson. Why are we even discussing this? A Trump/Carson duo would be the greatest thing that ever happened in the US.
Would you like to elaborate on why Carson? Some of the conservatives on here (@SethfromMI) also support him. Not to mention, my physics teacher met hiim at a Republican party dinner and said that she will vote for him.

[Judean Zealot]

Would you like to elaborate on why Carson? Some of the conservatives on here (@SethfromMI) also support him. Not to mention, my physics teacher met hiim at a Republican party dinner and said that she will vote for him.

He's a nice friendly dude. In an emotion fuelled democracy that is more than enough.

[phuckphace]

the Drumpfenführer is owning in the polls goddamn

Ross Perot ain't got shit on this guy

[tonymontana99]

Would you like to elaborate on why Carson? Some of the conservatives on here (@SethfromMI) also support him. Not to mention, my physics teacher met hiim at a Republican party dinner and said that she will vote for him.

I like Carson's no-bullshit, common sense approach. And I loved the fact that he called out on Black Lives Matter hypocrisy and how the Democrats think people are useful idiots. He pretty much denounced the Alinsky model. My only fear is that he might not actually be fit to become president because he doesn't have experience in management or politics. That's why I said a Trump/Carson duo would be a match made in heaven.

[DriveAlive]

I like Carson's no-bullshit, common sense approach. And I loved the fact that he called out on Black Lives Matter hypocrisy and how the Democrats think people are useful idiots. He pretty much denounced the Alinsky model. My only fear is that he might not actually be fit to become president because he doesn't have experience in management or politics. That's why I said a Trump/Carson duo would be a match made in heaven.
Except he is strongly religious and doesn't believe in evolution...

[phuckphace]

I have nothing against Carson but if we're being honest he's only notable for being a black guy who doesn't make excuses for the poor behavior of other blacks. while I applaud his honesty, it doesn't make him electable.

[thegreatgatz]

I have nothing against Carson but if we're being honest he's only notable for being a black guy who doesn't make excuses for the poor behavior of other blacks. while I applaud his honesty, it doesn't make him electable.
I think the word you are looking for is a pandering Uncle Tom

[Judean Zealot]

Except he is strongly religious and doesn't believe in evolution...

What does it matter to the country if he doesn't believe in evolution?

I'm not challenging you, I'm just curious about your answer.

[phuckphace]

tonymontana99 wants a technocratic space-Rapture so it's rather surprising that he'd show support for a young-earth creationist.

[DriveAlive]

What does it matter to the country if he doesn't believe in evolution?

I'm not challenging you, I'm just curious about your answer.

I form my perceptions of people based on the opinions they hold (which we all do). If someone says something particularly heinous or ridiculous, I will not view their other opinions with the same respect that I would otherwise. For example, if a scientologist was trying to tell me some fact, I would have more doubt about the validity of his statement knowing that he is a scientologist. The same applies here. Carson said that he did not believe in evolution because only Gd could have created people. That is not a reasonable answer. He has no evidence to support this theory. To make a public statement against something as widely accepted and support by science as evolution, one must have a reasonable amount of evidence to do so. He does not, which shows me that he is a blind follower of religious teachings without any understanding of their meaning. This shades my whole perception of him and the rest of his views.

[Judean Zealot]

I form my perceptions of people based on the opinions they hold (which we all do). If someone says something particularly heinous or ridiculous, I will not view their other opinions with the same respect that I would otherwise. For example, if a scientologist was trying to tell me some fact, I would have more doubt about the validity of his statement knowing that he is a scientologist. The same applies here. Carson said that he did not believe in evolution because only Gd could have created people. That is not a reasonable answer. He has no evidence to support this theory. To make a public statement against something as widely accepted and support by science as evolution, one must have a reasonable amount of evidence to do so. He does not, which shows me that he is a blind follower of religious teachings without any understanding of their meaning. This shades my whole perception of him and the rest of his views.

But his articulated opinions on political matters are not that irrational (even if you disagree with them), are they?

[DriveAlive]

But his articulated opinions on political matters are not that irrational (even if you disagree with them), are they?
Some are reasonable, most I disagree with, but a fair number are based in blind religious ideals. This seems to be his thought process and I do not like it.

[Judean Zealot]

Some are reasonable, most I disagree with, but a fair number are based in blind religious ideals. This seems to be his thought process and I do not like it.

By the way, I don't know much about this fellow or his stances. I'm just asking.

[phuckphace]

so I've had my degenerate eye on this supah kawaii guy at work, but wasn't sure if he's on the downlow or not. but yesterday I asked "you gonna vote for THE DONALD??" and he's all like "UGH NO WAY EVIL RACIST SHITLORD!!!"

thank you, Mr. Trump, for helping me get laid

[tonymontana99]

Except he is strongly religious and doesn't believe in evolution...

I'd rather have a religious creationist as president who opposes degeneracy instead of someone who actually embraces it.

[maggs]

People are really voting for Trump? :|
From those four, Sanders probably.

[reginaphalange]

Are people actually voting for trump? The one who said he'd marry his daughter of it wasn't his daughter. The one who raped his first wife but his followers dismiss it as they were married and she dropped the case when they divorced. The one who is extremely racist and misogynistic. The one who is against immigration and his mother, parental grandparents, and wife are immigrants. Who's followers have said people should just shut up if they are offended by what he says. People are disgusting. He is the pinnacle of conservatives. Disgusting. A blog of cells should not be able to shut down women's health facilities because a low rate of it provides abortions, it should not have more rights than women.women should have the right to choose not men in the government that aren't affected by it. The same people voting for him are the type to be incredibly misogynistic and racist and doing things like calling Hillary Clinton a "d*ke." Sanders is the best candidate. If only people loose the mentality of he's never going to be able to win, he can sweep. People just need to vote. He by far has the best proposals, and he's been a civil rights activist since MLK. people are scared of his socialist title, but it's not like he's going to change the country to socialism. He's the most trustworthy of them all.

[phuckphace]

Are people actually voting for trump? The one who said he'd marry his daughter of it wasn't his daughter. The one who raped his first wife but his followers dismiss it as they were married and she dropped the case when they divorced. The one who is extremely racist and misogynistic. The one who is against immigration and his mother, parental grandparents, and wife are immigrants. Who's followers have said people should just shut up if they are offended by what he says. People are disgusting. He is the pinnacle of conservatives. Disgusting. A blog of cells should not be able to shut down women's health facilities because a low rate of it provides abortions, it should not have more rights than women.women should have the right to choose not men in the government that aren't affected by it. The same people voting for him are the type to be incredibly misogynistic and racist and doing things like calling Hillary Clinton a "d*ke." Sanders is the best candidate. If only people loose the mentality of he's never going to be able to win, he can sweep. People just need to vote. He by far has the best proposals, and he's been a civil rights activist since MLK. people are scared of his socialist title, but it's not like he's going to change the country to socialism. He's the most trustworthy of them all.

ugh, I agree, these disgusting racist misogynistic homophobe xenophobe transphobe bigot shitlords are literally, figuratively and metaphorically the most disgusting thing ever on so many disgusting levels, ugh. like, I actually and truly don't/can't even right now, like ugh, you have no idea. disgusting.

[Judean Zealot]

[...] disgusting.

Conservatives or the post you were responding to? :P

[everlong]

I'm voting for Deez Nuts

[reginaphalange]

Conservatives or the post you were responding to? [emoji14]
Simple elementary school level context clues answer your question.

[Judean Zealot]

Simple elementary school level context clues answer your question.

http://i.imgur.com/4Q9lTAt.jpg

[mattsmith48]

I would vote for Bernie Sanders is the best thing that could happen to that crazy stupid violent country.

Trump is acting like Hitler rightnow and there is actually people voting for him, anyone else is kinda scared by that?

[phuckphace]

Trump is acting like Hitler rightnow and there is actually people voting for him, anyone else is kinda scared by that?

http://i.imgur.com/Vsz6tl0.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MclEtyn.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/MclEtyn.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/MclEtyn.gif

where do I sign???

[mattsmith48]

image (http://i.imgur.com/Vsz6tl0.jpg)

image (http://i.imgur.com/MclEtyn.gif)image (http://i.imgur.com/MclEtyn.gif)image (http://i.imgur.com/MclEtyn.gif)

where do I sign???

thats how Hitler use to talk about the Jews

[phuckphace]

thats how Hitler use to talk about the Jews

http://www.timesofisrael.com/when-it-comes-to-jewish-ties-no-gop-candidate-trumps-trump/

there are two kinds of people in this world: people who support unlimited Turd-World mass immigration, and people who are literally Nazis. literally.

[tonymontana99]

ugh, I agree, these disgusting racist misogynistic homophobe xenophobe transphobe bigot shitlords are literally, figuratively and metaphorically the most disgusting thing ever on so many disgusting levels, ugh. like, I actually and truly don't/can't even right now, like ugh, you have no idea. disgusting.

You asshole! You forgot to include -kin people! Do you know how hard it is to go outside, embracing your inner lizard and not have people stare at you just because you have your tongue like a snake and a I dunno, like I really don't know smh tbh fam. I'd suggest you to go outside and take a look at the cisgender white male scum superiority because it's not gonna last long. Check your privilege!

[tonymontana99]

Trump will be the saviour of the white race. I promise you, by the time his 10th term ends, the US will have annexed the entire northern hemisphere and will be called the United Federation of America. He is the last saviour of the human race.

[mattsmith48]

http://www.timesofisrael.com/when-it-comes-to-jewish-ties-no-gop-candidate-trumps-trump/

there are two kinds of people in this world: people who support unlimited Turd-World mass immigration, and people who are literally Nazis. literally.

Just a reminder that Hitler wanted to deport all Jews out of Germany and revoke their citizenship, when he figured out it was impossible he put them in death camps

Trump will be the saviour of the white race. I promise you, by the time his 10th term ends, the US will have annexed the entire northern hemisphere and will be called the United Federation of America. He is the last saviour of the human race.

1. America is not that stupid (I Hope)
2. A president can't have more then 2 terms
3. He's trying to stay away from everyone else
4. If there is an anti-Christ Trump is the one

[phuckphace]

Just a reminder that Hitler wanted to deport all Jews out of Germany and revoke their citizenship, when he figured out it was impossible he put them in death camps

:lol3:

you really have a subconscious boner for Hitler, don't you? stop posting.

[tovaris]

If i were in the situation of the american voter i would wothe for that guy who promissed ponies, or the dog

[tonymontana99]

Just a reminder that Hitler wanted to deport all Jews out of Germany and revoke their citizenship, when he figured out it was impossible he put them in death camps



1. America is not that stupid (I Hope)
2. A president can't have more then 2 terms
3. He's trying to stay away from everyone else
4. If there is an anti-Christ Trump is the one

>Implying he won't tear the Constitution to shreads the moment he steps foot in the door.

But seriously, Ben Carson or Ted Cruz would be better candidates.

[phuckphace]

I'm pretty sure Cruz is a crypto-Mexican with dual loyalty. my mom likes him so my pseudocon spidey senses are tingling. not sure if want

[mattsmith48]

>Implying he won't tear the Constitution to shreads the moment he steps foot in the door.

But seriously, Ben Carson or Ted Cruz would be better candidates.

Is Ben Carson the black neurosurgeon who thinks he went to heaven and came back?

And Ted Cruz the crazy guy who wants to deport him self?

Thats better than Trump?

[phuckphace]

there's an Uncle Tom every election. it's the GOP's (unsuccessful) attempt to show how not racist they are (deal with it bigots). Carson is irrelevant.

meanwhile the Drumpfenkampf steamrolls ahead with a impressive amount of support from blacks, for a white racist. he's been mentioned by name in a ton of rap songs so I'm sure that helps too.

[Jean Poutine]

I'm pretty sure Cruz is a crypto-Mexican with dual loyalty. my mom likes him so my pseudocon spidey senses are tingling. not sure if want

He's actually a crypto-Canadian.

[Perfectly Flawed]

The only reasonable Republican candidate seems to be John Kasich, but even then he's too far right for my tastes. Hillary is a corporate shill and might as well be considered a conservative on economic issues. Sanders is the only solid vote for someone on the left who actually wants some change in this country.

[Collinsworthington]

you asshole! You forgot to include -kin people! Do you know how hard it is to go outside, embracing your inner lizard and not have people stare at you just because you have your tongue like a snake and a i dunno, like i really don't know smh tbh fam. I'd suggest you to go outside and take a look at the cisgender white male scum superiority because it's not gonna last long. Check your privilege!
fucking dead :d

[tonymontana99]

Is Ben Carson the black neurosurgeon who thinks he went to heaven and came back?

And Ted Cruz the crazy guy who wants to deport him self?

Thats better than Trump?

Ben Carson is the neurosurgeon who grew up poor and was able to free himself from poverty by reading and finding God, showing that black people shouldn't play the victim card and how the government and society is rigged.

Ted Cruz is the man who BTFO Ellen Page when she started pushing her shitty liberal agenda onto him in a BBQ event.

Yes, they are better than Trump.

[mattsmith48]

Ben Carson is the neurosurgeon who grew up poor and was able to free himself from poverty by reading and finding God, showing that black people shouldn't play the victim card and how the government and society is rigged.

Ted Cruz is the man who BTFO Ellen Page when she started pushing her shitty liberal agenda onto him in a BBQ event.

Yes, they are better than Trump.

Ben Carson also believe the earth is 6000 yrs old and gay marriage leads to bestiality and pedophilia

What shitty liberal agenda the only thing she did was asking him why he doesn't want gay people to have the same rights than straights

[Judean Zealot]

Ben Carson also believe the earth is 6000 yrs old and gay marriage leads to bestiality and pedophilia

What shitty liberal agenda the only thing she did was asking him why he doesn't want gay people to have the same rights than straights

I hope you realize how dishonest you are being about his views. It is not the first time I've seen you behave this way. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

[phuckphace]

what's funny is that the SCOTUS gay marriage decision is being used as a pretextual basis to legalize polygamy in a couple of states. "ugh why can't people love who they want to love" after all, can very conveniently apply to a lot of things. makes perfect, albeit twisted sense.

[mattsmith48]

I hope you realize how dishonest you are being about his views. It is not the first time I've seen you behave this way. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

What are you talking about that's exactly what he said

what's funny is that the SCOTUS gay marriage decision is being used as a pretextual basis to legalize polygamy in a couple of states. "ugh why can't people love who they want to love" after all, can very conveniently apply to a lot of things. makes perfect, albeit twisted sense.

Because Jesus doesn't like even though he never said anything about it in the bible

Double post merged. -HN

[Judean Zealot]

What are you talking about that's exactly what he said

No. He said that the same logic that legalizes same sex marriage can also be used to legalize polygamy and bestiality.

[eric2001]

Hilary would probably be the best at doing the job. The bad part is that she likes to hide things which is bad in a leader.

[tonymontana99]

Ben Carson also believe the earth is 6000 yrs old and gay marriage leads to bestiality and pedophilia

What shitty liberal agenda the only thing she did was asking him why he doesn't want gay people to have the same rights than straights

As I said, I'd rather have a creationist neurosurgeon who understands the struggles people have and has morals than a woman involved in scandals, believes you can't change people's hearts, only impose laws and responds "What, you mean like with a cloth?" when asked if she wiped a server. That or a socialist shill who wants to make America a cucked nation. Dr. Ben Carson is a man more worthy than Shillary or Bernie "One Man Holocaust" Sanders. I don't understand why you keep mocking his beliefs, this country was established under God and religion plays a big part in the unity of a nation as America. You should be a little more respectful for a man who was born into nothing and completely turned his life around, wrote many bestsellers, was a neurosurgeon and is now running for president of this nation. And he's right about the slippery slope on bestiality and pedophilia.

And Ted Cruz owned that stuckup "activist", did you even watch the video? She tried to outsmart a man who debates for a living with her rhetorics and got completely blown the fuck out by him.

[Microcosm]

As I said, I'd rather have a creationist neurosurgeon who understands the struggles people have and has morals than a woman involved in scandals, believes you can't change people's hearts, only impose laws and responds "What, you mean like with a cloth?" when asked if she wiped a server. That or a socialist shill who wants to make America a cucked nation. Dr. Ben Carson is a man more worthy than Shillary or Bernie "One Man Holocaust" Sanders. I don't understand why you keep mocking his beliefs, this country was established under God and religion plays a big part in the unity of a nation as America. You should be a little more respectful for a man who was born into nothing and completely turned his life around, wrote many bestsellers, was a neurosurgeon and is now running for president of this nation. And he's right about the slippery slope on bestiality and pedophilia.

And Ted Cruz owned that stuckup "activist", did you even watch the video? She tried to outsmart a man who debates for a living with her rhetorics and got completely blown the fuck out by him.

I think it's pretty easy to establish that religion and state should be separated, especially in the USA. We're founded on freedom of religion.

I don't think Carson would be good because he seems to want some sort of government based around religion, which is unnecessary and leaves out the 25% or so of Americans who don't have Judeo-Christian beliefs. This country just isn't made for that and doesn't need it.

Also, Carson isn't exactly the best leader. I respect the guy, but he doesn't have the spirit and enthusiasm of a president that can effectively lead the country and represent us effectively in foreign policy. That's at least something Trump has going for himself, though.

I'd also like to know: What specifically do you think is wrong with Sanders? His policies and his ideas seem like they'd be quite good and effective.

I agree with you on Hillary. She's been in too many scandals like you said and she doesn't really promise any real reform that would actually help us.

[Porpoise101]

I'd also like to know: What specifically do you think is wrong with Sanders? His policies and his ideas seem like they'd be quite good and effective.
The only thing I don't know about Sanders is what his foreign policy is. I'm guessing that he is pro Israel because that is pretty much a requirement to run for president. He doesn't seem very aggressive like Trump but you never know until a plan is released.

[tonymontana99]

I think it's pretty easy to establish that religion and state should be separated, especially in the USA. We're founded on freedom of religion.

I don't think Carson would be good because he seems to want some sort of government based around religion, which is unnecessary and leaves out the 25% or so of Americans who don't have Judeo-Christian beliefs. This country just isn't made for that and doesn't need it.

Also, Carson isn't exactly the best leader. I respect the guy, but he doesn't have the spirit and enthusiasm of a president that can effectively lead the country and represent us effectively in foreign policy. That's at least something Trump has going for himself, though.

I'd also like to know: What specifically do you think is wrong with Sanders? His policies and his ideas seem like they'd be quite good and effective.

I agree with you on Hillary. She's been in too many scandals like you said and she doesn't really promise any real reform that would actually help us.

" he doesn't have the spirit and enthusiasm of a president that can effectively lead the country and represent us effectively in foreign policy. That's at least something Trump has going for himself, though."

I've shilled before for a Trump/Carson ticket, and I wouldn't bother with it. In regards to Bernie Sanders, I pretty much disagree with him on everything that "matters" the most (economy, foreign policy, social, etc.). I did the ISideWith quiz (www.isidewith.com) and usually get Marco Rubio/Ted Cruz at ~86%, followed by Trump in the 80% range, Randlet the Manlet at ~78%, Ben Carson at ~73% and then it goes downhill from there. Bernie "Zyklon Bern" Sanders at 44% and Shillary at 39%. It's not surprising I get Republican party in the upper lower 90s/upper 80s %, followed by the Constitution Party, Libertarians, Demoncrats, and the commies' and the hippies' party.

Trump would undeniably make the best trade deals. It would be his way or the highway, pretty much.

"Should the government decrease military spending?"
Bernie Sanders: Yes
You: No, increase the military budget"

This man wants to defund our military... We need a strong military to develop our technology and weapons, and to assert America as the dominant and leading country in world police.

[Microcosm]

tonymontana99

Doesn't it seem more useful to put that money towards problems at home like education?

We don't need to police the world. Most of the world doesn't even like us anyways(and justly so). Also in regard to trade deals, I agree that trump would be good with that as well. His economic understanding and his leadership are his two big good things. Other than that, he's a racist and he supports political lobbying wholeheartedly(he even admitted to it on live television during the debate). Also, sanders is strongly against lobbying and even wants to make serious reforms towards destroying it.

Sanders would be awesome I think at dealing with the problems at home and even okay although maybe not great on foreign policy and such. However, trump would be good economically and in leadership, other than that his ideas are shit(see "Great wall of Mexico"). He called all Mexicans rapists and murderers and he has strongly insulted women. He even lives up to these claims and considers them just.

[Vlerchan]

Has Trump laid out any actual concrete economic policies at all?

I haven't been keeping up much with the elections at all but from what I gathered it's just lots of talk about being/getting tough on whatever.

(I would prefer quotations)

[Porpoise101]

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Trump would undeniably make the best trade deals. It would be his way or the highway, pretty much.

"Should the government decrease military spending?"
Bernie Sanders: Yes
You: No, increase the military budget"

This man wants to defund our military... We need a strong military to develop our technology and weapons, and to assert America as the dominant and leading country in world police.
Negotiating is a two way street.

I agree that we should have a strong military, but moving some money towards other things is not bad. For example instead of funding Space Command, we could fund NASA. I do believe that funding the military for scientific and technological reasons is noble, but doing so at the cost of education and other research venues seems like a bad trade off.

[tonymontana99]

tonymontana99

Doesn't it seem more useful to put that money towards problems at home like education?

We don't need to police the world. Most of the world doesn't even like us anyways(and justly so). Also in regard to trade deals, I agree that trump would be good with that as well. His economic understanding and his leadership are his two big good things. Other than that, he's a racist and he supports political lobbying wholeheartedly(he even admitted to it on live television during the debate). Also, sanders is strongly against lobbying and even wants to make serious reforms towards destroying it.

Sanders would be awesome I think at dealing with the problems at home and even okay although maybe not great on foreign policy and such. However, trump would be good economically and in leadership, other than that his ideas are shit(see "Great wall of Mexico"). He called all Mexicans rapists and murderers and he has strongly insulted women. He even lives up to these claims and considers them just.

As Trump said, we should be getting paid to patrol the world. Otherwise, we should redirect the current budget we have on the military towards building the biggest, best military we can. It's necessary and a lot of progress and new technology is usually researched by the military in the first place (think DARPA). Also, why do you still fall for the "Trump is a racist" meme? He keeps saying we have a damaged country, we need to have spirit and we need to heal racial relationships because we are too fragmented. Seriously, if CNN actually covered what he said and not just the "bad" parts (Jorge Ramos, those stupid piñatas), he'd be liked a lot more because he always focus on our economy, our military, our jobs, our education, and always throws jokes in there. It makes him likable.

Most people fail to realize that when he says those things like they're rapists and murderers, he's talking about the "eses" and the gangsters, not the illegals-who-clean-your-pool style. He isn't racist. Even if he is, I'm sure he'll realize there is a lot more profit to be made by getting everyone an education and to work. In one of his speeches he said we were the #1 country in the world who spends the most on education, but 26th on education quality (or something like that). He cares, the media is just afraid because it goes against their agenda.

Negotiating is a two way street.

I agree that we should have a strong military, but moving some money towards other things is not bad. For example instead of funding Space Command, we could fund NASA. I do believe that funding the military for scientific and technological reasons is noble, but doing so at the cost of education and other research venues seems like a bad trade off.

We can have both if we just focus on national defense and say "screw you" to the other countries if they don't pay us a fee. But I agree, I'd rather have DARPA have a $5bn annual budget. We'd have Metal Gears in 10 years.

Double post merged.

[phuckphace]

I can think of a lot of things 5 billion dollars would be better spent on. like a National Health Service. or a reformed welfare/workfare system wherein people who already have jobs get food vouchers. or or OR maybe a public transport system.

NASA :lol3: it's a "hey commies look how big our capitalist dick is" relic from the Cold War. we got shit that needs doing here on Earth and it doesn't involve burning palletloads of cash to send a few people into space

[mattsmith48]

No. id that the same logic that legalizes same sex marriage can also be used to legalize polygamy and bestiality.

Thats even more stupid
tonymontana99 you the US as the military with the highest budget in the world its almost double of the next 5 who are all allies of the US. I know your country likes to lauch terrorist attack on the middle east but they dont need that much money to do it. Am fine with someone religious being leader of a long they keep it for them self and his bible isn't the only reference he use for science like Carson and every other republican do. If you god is against abortion, Birth control, gay marriage fine don't do it but dont impose it on everyone else. If your a neurosurgeon like Carson but you deny science in everyway you possibly can think of i dont care if hes president but thats not the kind of guy i want to operate on my brain. If you dont believe in science fine but quit your job as a neurosurgeon and go rape kids as a priest.

Sanders is the only one with actual policies that make sense like health care, gun control, decrease spemding on the military, he wants to increase the taxes on the rich, and actually do something about climate change

[Judean Zealot]

Thats even more stupid
tonymontana99 you the US as the military with the highest budget in the world its almost double of the next 5 who are all allies of the US. I know your country likes to lauch terrorist attack on the middle east but they dont need that much money to do it. Am fine with someone religious being leader of a long they keep it for them self and his bible isn't the only reference he use for science like Carson and every other republican do. If you god is against abortion, Birth control, gay marriage fine don't do it but dont impose it on everyone else. If your a neurosurgeon like Carson but you deny science in everyway you possibly can think of i dont care if hes president but thats not the kind of guy i want to operate on my brain. If you dont believe in science fine but quit your job as a neurosurgeon and go rape kids as a priest.

Sanders is the only one with actual policies that make sense like health care, gun control, decrease spemding on the military, he wants to increase the taxes on the rich, and actually do something about climate change

Your stupidity is exceeded only by your desire for it.

[phuckphace]

"This message is hidden because mattsmith48 is on your ignore list"

a real shame, I'm sure it was a timeless kernel of wisdom unmatched since Aquinas himself

[DriveAlive]

Sanders is the only one with actual policies that make sense like health care, gun control, decrease spemding on the military, he wants to increase the taxes on the rich, and actually do something about climate change

You do know that Sanders was originally against firearms regulations or federal background checks of any kind, right. He only flipped his position when he decided to run for president...

[tonymontana99]

Thats even more stupid
tonymontana99 you the US as the military with the highest budget in the world its almost double of the next 5 who are all allies of the US. I know your country likes to lauch terrorist attack on the middle east but they dont need that much money to do it. Am fine with someone religious being leader of a long they keep it for them self and his bible isn't the only reference he use for science like Carson and every other republican do. If you god is against abortion, Birth control, gay marriage fine don't do it but dont impose it on everyone else. If your a neurosurgeon like Carson but you deny science in everyway you possibly can think of i dont care if hes president but thats not the kind of guy i want to operate on my brain. If you dont believe in science fine but quit your job as a neurosurgeon and go rape kids as a priest.

Sanders is the only one with actual policies that make sense like health care, gun control, decrease spemding on the military, he wants to increase the taxes on the rich, and actually do something about climate change

I don't believe in God, but I also certainly disagree with what the Democrats have to offer. Yes, we should restrict abortions and birth control, we have to make people accountable for their actions. If a dumb 16-year-old slut gets pregnant, she should be forced to have the kid and raise it, people need to be accountable for their actions. Gay marriage I can't judge as being right or wrong, but kids who grow up in gay households have always some sort of disadvantage or mental problem. "I know your country likes to lauch terrorist attack on the middle east but they dont need that much money to do it." I agree with this, they should either start paying us to patrol the world or we should leave them defenseless and use the funds for DARPA and helping the poor.

[mattsmith48]

You do know that Sanders was originally against firearms regulations or federal background checks of any kind, right. He only flipped his position when he decided to run for president...

Whats wrong with someone changing his mind on something when its for the better

I don't believe in God, but I also certainly disagree with what the Democrats have to offer. Yes, we should restrict abortions and birth control, we have to make people accountable for their actions. If a dumb 16-year-old slut gets pregnant, she should be forced to have the kid and raise it, people need to be accountable for their actions. Gay marriage I can't judge as being right or wrong, but kids who grow up in gay households have always some sort of disadvantage or mental problem. "I know your country likes to lauch terrorist attack on the middle east but they dont need that much money to do it." I agree with this, they should either start paying us to patrol the world or we should leave them defenseless and use the funds for DARPA and helping the poor.

Its your right to be against abortion i nothing against that but less birth control? are you aware the planet is dangerously getting over populated and banning birth conntrol is not gonna help. And "if a dumb 16-year-old slut gets pregnant she should be forced to have the kid and raise it" what if the condom broke is she still a dumb slut no she just horny and shes gonna do it anyway birth control or not

Double post merged.

[Vlerchan]

Has Trump laid out any actual concrete economic policies at all?

I haven't been keeping up much with the elections at all but from what I gathered it's just lots of talk about being/getting tough on whatever.
I'm just going to presume that Trump hasn't outlined a single one. That's expected.

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but kids who grow up in gay households have always some sort of disadvantage or mental problem.
Whilst I'm posting, the literature on the subject doesn't document differences in outcomes on this basis.

[tonymontana99]

Whats wrong with someone changing his mind on something when its for the better



Its your right to be against abortion i nothing against that but less birth control? are you aware the planet is dangerously getting over populated and banning birth conntrol is not gonna help. And "if a dumb 16-year-old slut gets pregnant she should be forced to have the kid and raise it" what if the condom broke is she still a dumb slut no she just horny and shes gonna do it anyway birth control or not

Double post merged.

Fuck, you're right. What the hell was I thinking? Yeah, yeah, birth control should be used. Let's just make sure only deformed/challenged fetuses get aborted, though. But we need to encourage our women to have more kids. Africa and the middle east are the sources for overpopulation right now, we need nations to start imposing birth thresholds for those countries and give incentives for European countries and America to reproduce more. I still think people should be held accountable for their actions, though.

[Porpoise101]

As Trump said, we should be getting paid to patrol the world. Otherwise, we should redirect the current budget we have on the military towards building the biggest, best military we can.
Why are we even patrolling the world? Maybe the US could show some leadership to make the UN an actual working organization. After that we can afford to stop policing so much.

[tonymontana99]

Why are we even patrolling the world? Maybe the US could show some leadership to make the UN an actual working organization. After that we can afford to stop policing so much.

The United Nations is nothing more than a micro New World Order. Who do you think will come to "save us" when shit hits the fan? The UN, of course, with their Agenda 2030 bullshit.

[Porpoise101]

The United Nations is nothing more than a micro New World Order. Who do you think will come to "save us" when shit hits the fan? The UN, of course, with their Agenda 2030 bullshit.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/05/b6efe53f550043abe6ed57ce9c1ce1d6.jpg
I'm fine with a lil Korean man owning the world, I don't get what the issue is [emoji14]

[tonymontana99]

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I'm fine with a lil Korean man owning the world, I don't get what the issue is [emoji14]

David Bowie tried to warn us...

[sqishy]

My hypothetical choice is Sanders, just like how all my choices future US elections will be hypothetical too, because I don't see myself living there ever.

[mattsmith48]

Fuck, you're right. What the hell was I thinking? Yeah, yeah, birth control should be used. Let's just make sure only deformed/challenged fetuses get aborted, though. But we need to encourage our women to have more kids. Africa and the middle east are the sources for overpopulation right now, we need nations to start imposing birth thresholds for those countries and give incentives for European countries and America to reproduce more. I still think people should be held accountable for their actions, though.

What about if the life of the mother is in danger or for rape are you ok with abortion in those case?

A average of 2 kids per couple would sllw down and eventually stop population growth were getting close to that number in Europe and North America

[tonymontana99]

What about if the life of the mother is in danger or for rape are you ok with abortion in those case?

A average of 2 kids per couple would sllw down and eventually stop population growth were getting close to that number in Europe and North America

Yes, I'm okay with abortion in all cases of rape, incest, danger to the mother's health or when it is known the child will be born with severe neurological/physiological impairments that would prevent it from ever becoming a productive member of society.

[phuckphace]

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I'm fine with a lil Korean man owning the world, I don't get what the issue is [emoji14]

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HOMEWORK DONE YET?! WHY NOT?! YOU ARE GROUNDED UNTIR YOU ARE EIGHTEEN

[impan1019]

if i could vote, id vote for trump because he cant be bought and he might be able to create jbs in this shitty excuse for a job market

[Vlerchan]

if i could vote, id vote for trump because he cant be bought and he might be able to create jbs in this shitty excuse for a job market
It looks like the market is tightening and US has hit the natural rate so he's going to be having a real tough time.

[Sugaree]

if Sanders wasn't such an old wuss...

image (http://i.imgur.com/wrTRtZC.jpg)

"B..but...I marched with MLK!"
"DAS RAYCIS!"

:lol3:

This is what we call getting cucked.

From how the race looks now, I'm behind Trump. The only other candidate I could see voting for is Ben Carson. I can't stand who the Democrats are putting out, and a lot of the Republican candidates might as well run as Democrats.

[phuckphace]

This is what we call getting cucked.

From how the race looks now, I'm behind Trump. The only other candidate I could see voting for is Ben Carson. I can't stand who the Democrats are putting out, and a lot of the Republican candidates might as well run as Democrats.

don't cuck-shame, bigot

if this were the 60s or 70s Trump wouldn't stand out from other Republicans at all, and Sanders would be your garden-variety Democrat. sometime between then and now there was a massive, systemic cuckening such as this world has never before seen. shame it only took us like 20 years to figure that out, with the exception of every cuckservative in power

[eric2001]

I'm liking Joe Biden more and more.

[Collinsworthington]

Hey guys! keep voting, im using the results for a govt. and politics project :)

[phuckphace]

Hey guys! keep voting, im using the results for a govt. and politics project :)

lol any sample of teens will show a huge lead for Sanders

[dxcxdzv]

Concerning the army, I really don't see the point in spending so much money. H bomb a godamn lasers aren't enough to show the alleged American "superiority"?
And what is the point in showing superiority? Don't talk about economic stuff etc, I'm just talking about a strict human point of view.

[Collinsworthington]

lol any sample of teens will show a huge lead for Sanders

im aware XD thats what i want to show!

[tonymontana99]

tonymontana99 wants a technocratic space-Rapture so it's rather surprising that he'd show support for a young-earth creationist.

"technocratic space-Rapture"

I came.

But seriously, right now we need a person who can unite this nation and the only candidates that I think could get the job done would be Donald Trump or Ben the Man. We'll leave the space part for the other half of the century.

Concerning the army, I really don't see the point in spending so much money. H bomb a godamn lasers aren't enough to show the alleged American "superiority"?
And what is the point in showing superiority? Don't talk about economic stuff etc, I'm just talking about a strict human point of view.

War is profitable. By having a strong military we gain leverage in diplomatic deals and name recognition all over the world as a force to be reckoned with. Also, new technology is usually designed first for the military and then optimized to the public. And let's face it: nothing's more beautiful than having a powerful army parading down the streets with jets flying over.

Double post merged. ~Microcosm

[Porpoise101]

Concerning the army, I really don't see the point in spending so much money. H bomb a godamn lasers aren't enough to show the alleged American "superiority"?
And what is the point in showing superiority? Don't talk about economic stuff etc, I'm just talking about a strict human point of view.
But but but... Economics is part of human society. But seriously, I think showing superiority is supposed to give the US some sort of legitimacy. And we need space lasers because the Chinese already have them [emoji14].

[phuckphace]

not to worry, the Chinese space lasers will stop working a month out of warranty

[dxcxdzv]

I don't recognize any organisation by its military force. 'think it's ridiculous, in a certain way.
Well a lot of things are funny with the USA haha.

[Katie96xox]

I'm not american but my observations are that most of the republicans are just populist neo-cons which doesn't impress me in the slightest. still that's better than another socialist from the democrats. Of the four candidates you've listed I'd go trump, even though I think he's all talk and no substance.

[Porpoise101]

Left wing populism is the final solution to the national problem.

[DriveAlive]

I don't recognize any organisation by its military force. 'think it's ridiculous, in a certain way.
Well a lot of things are funny with the USA haha.

You may not, but America's competitors China and Russia certainly do. It is necessary for these countries to perceive us as a strong military force or they will not respect us. Also, many of the middleastern countries begrudgingly work with us only because they know we have the military power to crush them if they do not. While I really do wish we could do all of our deplomacy through peaceful talks and good will, there are some countries that just have to be kept in line by threat of violence.

With that said, I think that the current military spending is absolutely ridiculous. We should be spending money on more advanced navy and airforce and reduce troop size by focusing on drone technology. Nothing is as intimidating as a drone. All other military spending should be cut. It is far too costly to maintain our outdated and bloated military.

The downside of cutting military spending is that it would be devestating on the economy. About half of all economic spending in the U.S. if from the government. A large portion of that spending, mostly in industry, is from the military. If we were to cut military spending, then we would be hurting all of the companies tied to the military, from steel companies to utilities manufacturers. It would be a huge blow to all areas of the economy.

So the only way to actually cut military spending without hurting the economy would be to actually help with the current economic transition from industry to service. Everyone is working so hard to fight this change but it is the necessary next step for our country. It might be painful, but it is just as natural and important to growth as the change from agricultre to industry was earlier. To do this, we need to invest in education, technology, and infrastructure. Only then can America make the necessary transition to the service economy so that we can actually cut the military budget.

The only problem here is that to actually invest in education, technology, and infrastructure, we would need a lot of money. The only way we can free up enough money in our country without cutting all government programs or forever indebting ourselves is to cut the military budget drastically. And so it seems we a trapped in an inescapable financial spiral...

[Porpoise101]

You may not, but America's competitors China and Russia certainly do. It is necessary for these countries to perceive us as a strong military force or they will not respect us. Also, many of the middleastern countries begrudgingly work with us only because they know we have the military power to crush them if they do not. While I really do wish we could do all of our deplomacy through peaceful talks and good will, there are some countries that just have to be kept in line by threat of violence.

With that said, I think that the current military spending is absolutely ridiculous. We should be spending money on more advanced navy and airforce and reduce troop size by focusing on drone technology. Nothing is as intimidating as a drone. All other military spending should be cut. It is far too costly to maintain our outdated and bloated military.

The downside of cutting military spending is that it would be devestating on the economy. About half of all economic spending in the U.S. if from the government. A large portion of that spending, mostly in industry, is from the military. If we were to cut military spending, then we would be hurting all of the companies tied to the military, from steel companies to utilities manufacturers. It would be a huge blow to all areas of the economy.

So the only way to actually cut military spending without hurting the economy would be to actually help with the current economic transition from industry to service. Everyone is working so hard to fight this change but it is the necessary next step for our country. It might be painful, but it is just as natural and important to growth as the change from agricultre to industry was earlier. To do this, we need to invest in education, technology, and infrastructure. Only then can America make the necessary transition to the service economy so that we can actually cut the military budget.

The only problem here is that to actually invest in education, technology, and infrastructure, we would need a lot of money. The only way we can free up enough money in our country without cutting all government programs or forever indebting ourselves is to cut the military budget drastically. And so it seems we a trapped in an inescapable financial spiral...
I am with you on this but the way you said it made it sound like the money would just disappear because of the lesser military spending. That is not the case as the government will just move the money into a different "entrance point" into the economy. For example, instead of entering the economy through a Northrop Grumman factory, the money will enter through a research lab.

Another thing we need to improve that no one is taking about is cyberwarfare as we keep on getting hacked by people.

[phuckphace]

I'm not american but my observations are that most of the republicans are just populist neo-cons which doesn't impress me in the slightest. still that's better than another socialist from the democrats. Of the four candidates you've listed I'd go trump, even though I think he's all talk and no substance.

the republicans aren't populist (except Trump) although they are renowned for their pseudo-populist "Middle America" rhetoric, it's just talk. defintely neocons though. also the dems aren't socialist, they're neocon lites

[hesaidhesaid]

This thread makes me grateful I'm not an American.....no lie. (Rich to us Australians. We just got our 5th Prime Minister in 5 years. Politicians just can't hold on to their jobs)

[phuckphace]

This thread makes me grateful I'm not an American.....no lie. (Rich to us Australians. We just got our 5th Prime Minister in 5 years. Politicians just can't hold on to their jobs)

"Getcha tits out, ya mugs" said PM recently as he addressed a crowd of bogans in Perth. When reporters rang the PM for comment, they were told "bugger off ya shitcunts"

[Dalton_Holt]

With those four options? Shoot me.

[phuckphace]

With those four options? Shoot me.

Trump will if you don't pay taxes

[Emerald Dream]

With those four options? Shoot me.

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