Iran looks for peace with rivals

[Gwen]

Article from BBC (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33963231)
Iran supposedly is entering a new age after nuclear deal, looks for peace with its Middle Eastern neighbours and rivals. I was going to post about the Bangkok bombing but there is little to actually discuss that hasn't already been done so. I am skeptical but hopefully they are honest and this movement succeeds. Having some stability in that region would be a nice change.

[Porpoise101]

Nice I actually like Iran for some reason. Even though extremism is promoted but the government, I find most Persians kind open people. Iran has great history and I would have wished that Iran and the US were friends if there wasn't such a horrible government. Maybe this means the US can be nice to Lebanon too lol. It sure beats being friends with a musty, repressive monarchy.

[Gwen]

Nice I actually like Iran for some reason. Even though extremism is promoted but the government, I find most Persians kind open people. Iran has great history and I would have wished that Iran and the US were friends if there wasn't such a horrible government. Maybe this means the US can be nice to Lebanon too lol. It sure beats being friends with a musty, repressive monarchy.

Any news about peace in that turmoil is always new and it has been long enough, good to see Iran taking the first step I suppose. This is probably to help their move in improving US-Iran relations.

[Left Now]

US and Iran can be just neutral nations at the end not friendly.US has an ultra dark past in the memories of Iranians since 1953 Coup which once again put Mohammad Reza Pahlavi in charge and lit the first sparks of US Embassy Overtaking by revolutionist students.

I can assure you that there won't be any close friendly relation between Iran and United States,since most majority of Iranian would always see US as the nation that has caused deaths of Milions of Iranians since the beginning of 20th century which its claiming to be the most right has not ended yet.At the best conditions Iran would just cautiously have trade and educational relations with US,these two nations can never have friend-o-friend relations (by nations I do not mean peoples),not at least until the time US changes its overlord attitude toward Iran.


Plus+I have urged this hundreds of times not to use the phrase Persia for whole Iran and Persians for whole Iranians.Persia is just a region in Iran and Persians or Farsis only makes up to 60 percents of whole Iran's population.By using Persia and Persian phrases for whole Iran and Iranians,you are seriously insulting other ethnicities of Iran.Please notice this.


Nice I actually like Iran for some reason. Even though extremism is promoted but the government, I find most Persians kind open people. Iran has great history and I would have wished that Iran and the US were friends if there wasn't such a horrible government. Maybe this means the US can be nice to Lebanon too lol. It sure beats being friends with a musty, repressive monarchy.

Also,I do not remember any type of extremism be promoted by the government itself,I am not talking about administrations,since at least 20 years ago,let aside some ultra hostile acts which even are not near the extremism which is promoted in rest of Iran's neighbors and even US's propaganda war itself.Please speak with evidence.Let us also not forget that the current government is still supported by most majority of Iranians,although its popularity has reduced since 30 years ago.This type of government has surely tried more to improve Iran's conditions in these 30 years than the previous government which was something 300% more than friendly with US.

[Porpoise101]

US and Iran can be just neutral nations at the end not friendly.US has an ultra dark past in the memories of Iranians since 1953 Coup which once again put Mohammad Reza Pahlavi in charge and lit the first sparks of US Embassy Overtaking by revolutionist students.

I can assure you that there won't be any close friendly relation between Iran and United States,since most majority of Iranian would always see US as the nation that has caused deaths of Milions of Iranians since the beginning of 20th century which its claiming to be the most right has not ended yet.At the best conditions Iran would just cautiously have trade and educational relations with US,these two nations can never have friend-o-friend relations (by nations I do not mean peoples),not at least until the time US changes its overlord attitude toward Iran.


Plus+I have urged this hundreds of times not to use the phrase Persia for whole Iran and Persians for whole Iranians.Persia is just a region in Iran and Persians or Farsis only makes up to 60 percents of whole Iran's population.By using Persia and Persian phrases for whole Iran and Iranians,you are seriously insulting other ethnicities of Iran.Please notice this.




Also,I do not remember any type of extremism be promoted by the government itself,I am not talking about administrations,since at least 20 years ago,let aside some ultra hostile acts which even are not near the extremism which is promoted in rest of Iran's neighbors and even US's propaganda war itself.Please speak with evidence.Let us also not forget that the current government is still supported by most majority of Iranians,although its popularity has reduced since 30 years ago.This type of government has surely tried more to improve Iran's conditions in these 30 years than the previous government which was something 300% more than friendly with US.
Sorry I consider most theocracies to be inherently extreme

[Left Now]

Sorry I consider most theocracies to be inherently extreme

Well,prejudice? :D

[Stronk Serb]

Sorry I consider most theocracies to be inherently extreme

Well, after the western-oriented Israel, Iran is the de-facto freest country in the Middle East that has full control within it's borders. Also Iran was the first to put the boot on those goatfuckers called ISIS.

[SethfromMI]

Iran also say the only people who can inspect to see if they are keeping their agreement to the nuclear deal are people who0 they improve. AKA people who are not going to report when they are breaking the nuclear deal. It is a stupid deal to basically give our enemies who often have proclaimed their hatred for us, their hatred for Israel, the power to do what they want to do. people are kidding themselves if they think Iran is not going to continue to do what they always have been doing. of course our own government is as at fault, maybe even more so, for actually agreeing to this

[Left Now]

Here Goes Seth...

[SethfromMI]

Here Goes Seth...

I see you are from Iran. I have zero hatred for the people of Iran. What I hate is corrupt governments. Like I said, I am just as made that we (the United States) actually agreed to the deal. Why we did I don't know, but I don't like it or trust it

[Left Now]

I see you are from Iran. I have zero hatred for the people of Iran. What I hate is corrupt governments. Like I said, I am just as made that we (the United States) actually agreed to the deal. Why we did I don't know, but I don't like it or trust it

Well,still a considerable majority of Iranians back this government,despite seeking some reforms.It is a completely clear fact,and neither most majority of people nor the government do not have any hatred and hostility for American people or even government of United States,but hate US foreign policies toward themselves and others,are against them.

About the agreement,I really do not know if you have ever heard what a "Fatva" (Religious Order) means here specially when it is made by someone who is in a position like Supreme Leader of Islamic Republic of Iran.

Both Supreme Leaders of Islamic Republic have made it completely clear that possession and production of any type of WMDs is religiously-socially-politically prohibited according to Islamic Principles.You see,PROHIBITED.

So it is extraordinary impossible for any Iranian official to even bring up the idea of having a Nuclear Weapon Program for Iran.Otherwise,they will be fired and maybe arrested or being monitored for a very long time,maybe even accused of espionage and cooperating with foreign Intelligence Agencies or even Saudi-related groups like Al-Qaeda,Taliban and....

Following these conditions,it also impossible for this government to even think about possessing or producing any type of WMDs.Why?Because even if they are power-hungry tyrants who just think about themselves,then doing so will destroy them.


Let us just put it this way that any attempt to possess WMD by Iran,while the highest rank official of Islamic Republic of Iran is apparently against it and always mentions it as an Anti-Islamic in all his speeches and statements,means Iran will collapse from inside.

So even without this agreement which would just give Iran what it deserves,Iran would not and could not seek any types of WMDs.

[SethfromMI]

Well,still a considerable majority of Iranians back this government,despite seeking some reforms.It is a completely clear fact.

About the agreement,I really do not know if you have ever heard what a Religious Order means here specially when it is made by someone who is in a position like Supreme Leader of Islamic Republic of Iran.

Both Supreme Leaders of Islamic Republic have made it completely clear that possession and production of any type of WMDs is socially-politically prohibited according to Islamic Principles.You see,PROHIBITED.

So it is extraordinary impossible for any Iranian official to even bring up the idea of having a Nuclear Weapon Program for Iran.Otherwise,they will be fired and maybe arrested or being monitored for a very long time.Following these conditions,it also impossible for this government to even think about possessing or producing any type of WMDs.Why?Because even if they are power-hungry tyrants who just think about themselves,then doing so will destroy them.


Let us just put it this way that any attempt to possess WMD by Iran,while the highest rank official of Islamic Republic of Iran is apparently against it and always mentions it as an Anti-Islamic in all his speeches and statements,means Iran will collapse from inside.

So even without this agreement which would just give Iran what it deserves,Iran would not and could not seek any types of WMDs.

Look, you want to stick up for your country. I get it, I understand it and don't even blame you for it. Maybe you don't have access to the same news I do. Iran has never hidden the fact they are sworn enemies of Israel. Israel has been, historically at least, one of our biggest allies. now we give Iran a deal which allows them to keep developing nuclear weapons (the deal after all did not say they had to stop completely) and basically give Iran everything they want. Iran does have a nuclear weapons program. many countries do. even North Korea does and they don't have money for hardly anything else.

Like I said, you want to support your country and see no wrong in the government? that is your right. me, I am not buying it. Like I said though, I am not sure why my country basically gave them the right to keep doing what they are doing. only time well tell.

and hey if I am wrong, good. I don't want any nuclear war. nuclear war only ends very badly for all. I hope I am wrong, but I don't think I am

[Porpoise101]

Well, after the western-oriented Israel, Iran is the de-facto freest country in the Middle East that has full control within it's borders. Also Iran was the first to put the boot on those goatfuckers called ISIS.
Just because they are extreme doesn't necessarily mean they are totally evil or uneducated, they just have strong beliefs. The Iranians are better than Israel or Saudi Arabia to me.

I just wish there was a Nasserite Arabia but oh well the cold war and Israel had to mess that up lol. Then the Arabs, Persians, and Turks can be buds.

[Porpoise101]

Well,prejudice? :D
Not really it's just that forcing people to adopt a way of life and suppressing opposing ideas is pretty extreme. Theocracies are pretty stable until the 'sheeple' wake up or they are assaulted by outside forces.

Example: kingdoms during the Reformation or Tibet

[Left Now]

Look, you want to stick up for your country. I get it, I understand it and don't even blame you for it. Maybe you don't have access to the same news I do. Iran has never hidden the fact they are sworn enemies of Israel. Israel has been, historically at least, one of our biggest allies. now we give Iran a deal which allows them to keep developing nuclear weapons (the deal after all did not say they had to stop completely) and basically give Iran everything they want.

People like me are more into unbiased news.

Iran is an enemy of Israel's occupation of a land which through no logic belongs to it.Do you think if a referendum would be held in a nation that most majority of its population would agree with Israel to be located in their land,Iran would have any problem with it?Also,Iran's government has never threatened to directly attack Israel with anything,Israel's government has many times done.

I said having WMD intentions is all IMPOSSIBLE for this government.It will destroy it.


Iran does have a nuclear weapons program. many countries do. even North Korea does and they don't have money for hardly anything else.

Not any of them has ever said their principles are against having WMDs.

Like I said, you want to support your country and see no wrong in the government? that is your right. me, I am not buying it. Like I said though, I am not sure why my country basically gave them the right to keep doing what they are doing. only time well tell.

I do not support this government alright?I just back it when it is right,and complain when it is not.Right for example Iran's stance on Israel/Palestine matter is right,but its supporting of Al-Az'har-Saudi influenced groups like HAMAS is not.I back it in that matter but at the same time am against its special aids for such groups like this.I also disapprove many other elements of this government and I want to see lots of reforms to be made in the future and I am against current governmental corruptions which are 100 percents against Islamic principles while they are happening in a country which claims to be Islamic Republic and I hold current people in charge responsible for it,but still I approve the government in general as the legitimate government of this country which is backed by most majority of Iranians as the legitimate government of Iran.

In this certain matter,Iran's government is the one being the right,so I back it.In many other matter,I will be against its decisions and stances.



and hey if I am wrong, good. I don't want any nuclear war. nuclear war only ends very badly for all. I hope I am wrong, but I don't think I am

Be happy,you are wrong in this certain matter.


Not really it's just that forcing people to adopt a way of life and suppressing opposing ideas is pretty extreme. Theocracies are pretty stable until the 'sheeple' wake up or they are assaulted by outside forces.

Example: kingdoms during the Reformation or Tibet

Well,no one is forcing any special type of ideology here on others.They just must understand that most majority of people have an ideology in most ways differing from theirs and they must respect the majority's ideology and not insult them because of this by shouting it at their faces.Then the majority will come along with their ideology,even if they are 180 degree different.But if a minority tries to force its ideology on the majority and use extreme ways of insulting and disturbing the society and making tensions,then they must be stopped.

Until there is mutual respect,everything goes fine.Yes maybe some people here insult other thoughts and want to force them on others,but neither in government nor public,they are not the majority.

And about current stability in Iran,well people are awake enough but yet they prefer long-term stable reforms than radical-unstable changes.Also,this government has already experienced foreign aggression in an inflicted conflict for 8 years durring 1980-1988.It just made it firmer.

[SethfromMI]

lol first of all you are reading biased news. there is no news which does not have an agenda.

second of all, if you want to live in La La Land and believe your government has no interest in developing nuclear weapons, that is your choice. but I have to ask then what was the purpose of this treaty in the first place?

[Left Now]

lol first of all you are reading biased news. there is no news which does not have an agenda.

Hold on.You think I believe the news which these agencies provide?I am a person who gets news from BBC,but at the same time reads the news which FARS NEWS AGENCY provides.If there is an event which for example The Guardian or New York Times or HuffingtonPost or Yahoo have provided news about them,I will also read Aljazeera,PressTV,IRIB,MEHR NEWS AGENCY too if they also have reports about the same event.

None of these NEWS Agencies are unbiased,I just see what is common among all their NEWS and take that as the only fact about that news that they are sharing.Actually better to say that I read all of them,but I believe none of them completely.

You can never get a completely unbiased and reliable news,but at least find facts in all of them.




second of all, if you want to live in La La Land and believe your government has no interest in developing nuclear weapons, that is your choice. but I have to ask then what was the purpose of this treaty in the first place?


I am not living in La La Land my friend.I am just completely sure that seeking WMDs means this country's and its current government's demise.It doesn't make sense if a government tries its best to ruin itself while it is aware of this.People would tear it apart if it was real.

[Porpoise101]

Until there is mutual respect,everything goes fine.
That is true. People must respect each other. But the dominant group of people doesn't have consequences if they don't respect minorities. If it is the other way around then then the person might get hurt.

[SethfromMI]

Hold on.You think I believe the news which these agencies provide?I am a person who gets news from BBC,but at the same time reads the news which FARS NEWS AGENCY provides.If there is an event which for example The Guardian or New York Times or HuffingtonPost or Yahoo have provided news about them,I will also read Aljazeera,PressTV,IRIB,MEHR NEWS AGENCY too if they also have reports about the same event.

None of these NEWS Agencies are unbiased,I just see what is common among all their NEWS and take that as the only fact about that news that they are sharing.Actually better to say that I read all of them,but I believe none of them completely.

You can never get a completely unbiased and reliable news,but at least find facts in all of them.






I am not living in La La Land my friend.I am just completely sure that seeking WMDs means this country's and its current government's demise.It doesn't make sense if a government tries its best to ruin itself while it is aware of this.People would tear it apart if it was real.

Many of them contain elements of truth. here is the thing. you believe the news articles which say Iran has no real interest in nuclear weapons. I believe the ones which say they are interested. It is the times we are living in. the world powers all have nukes. whether right or wrong, that is how it is.

Like I said, I don't believe I Iran wants peace. you do. we could both show "evidence" to support our claim, but in the end it is not going to get us anywhere. so this convo is not going to go anywhere.

Like I said though, please do not think I have a bias towards the people of Iran because I do not. I do not trust your government no. I do not completely trust my own, but that is a different matter. hopefully you are right about Iran wanting to be peaceful with the rest of the world. sadly I do not think it is the case

[Left Now]

That is true. People must respect each other. But the dominant group of people doesn't have consequences if they don't respect minorities. If it is the other way around then then the person might get hurt.

Fortunately it is not like this here.Most people are fine with different ideologies as long as their holders do not try to force them down their throat and shouting at them that they are ALL WRONG,and they themselves are ALL RIGHT and everything must change as they demans.

Many of them contain elements of truth. here is the thing. you believe the news articles which say Iran has no real interest in nuclear weapons. I believe the ones which say they are interested. It is the times we are living in. the world powers all have nukes. whether right or wrong, that is how it is.

Like I said, I don't believe I Iran wants peace. you do. we could both show "evidence" to support our claim, but in the end it is not going to get us anywhere. so this convo is not going to go anywhere.

Like I said though, please do not think I have a bias towards the people of Iran because I do not. I do not trust your government no. I do not completely trust my own, but that is a different matter. hopefully you are right about Iran wanting to be peaceful with the rest of the world. sadly I do not think it is the case

Well you have your own logics,and I respect your beliefs.

[Gwen]

Wow, this post blew up since I read the one reply from yesterday :P I keep seeing similar replies so I was wondering if people would want me to find multiple articles from differing countries/perspectives rather than just one from BBC or NYT. I want people to be able to discuss news and events without having to argue about whether the soruce itself was valid on its own. I wouldn't mind searching for multiple articles and it wouldn't be much of a chore if it can create higher-quality Daily Chronicle threads. I might include multi-lingual articles but no promises :$

[phuckphace]

Iran has never hidden the fact they are sworn enemies of Israel. Israel has been, historically at least, one of our biggest allies. now we give Iran a deal which allows them to keep developing nuclear weapons (the deal after all did not say they had to stop completely) and basically give Iran everything they want. Iran does have a nuclear weapons program. many countries do. even North Korea does and they don't have money for hardly anything else.

so what, we shouldn't be meddling over there to begin with

all this preoccupation with who has nukes and who's our ally is pointless. pull out of there tomorrow and let the chips fall where they may

[Porpoise101]

so what, we shouldn't be meddling over there to begin with

all this preoccupation with who has nukes and who's our ally is pointless. pull out of there tomorrow and let the chips fall where they may
Sadly we live in a globalized world so we are all connected *yay* [emoji26]

[phuckphace]

Sadly we live in a globalized world so we are all connected *yay* [emoji26]

by choice. we could just, you know, stop (and then wonder why we didn't pull the plug sooner)

[Stronk Serb]

Many of them contain elements of truth. here is the thing. you believe the news articles which say Iran has no real interest in nuclear weapons. I believe the ones which say they are interested. It is the times we are living in. the world powers all have nukes. whether right or wrong, that is how it is.

Like I said, I don't believe I Iran wants peace. you do. we could both show "evidence" to support our claim, but in the end it is not going to get us anywhere. so this convo is not going to go anywhere.

Like I said though, please do not think I have a bias towards the people of Iran because I do not. I do not trust your government no. I do not completely trust my own, but that is a different matter. hopefully you are right about Iran wanting to be peaceful with the rest of the world. sadly I do not think it is the case

Wow, you got all pissy by suspicion that one of the rare stable governments in the Middle East wants nuclear weapons. Do I need to remind you that no one objected to the US having nukes, despite the US using two on large civilian populations? Also as phuckphace suggested, the US would have a lot less problems by simply not meddling in the worlds affairs.

[SethfromMI]

I am not going to even waste my time with the sheer stupidity of what is being said. while we are at it, let's give nukes to North Korea as well. after all, no one should tell them what they can have and cannot have, right?

[phuckphace]

I am not going to even waste my time with the sheer stupidity of what is being said. while we are at it, let's give nukes to North Korea as well. after all, no one should tell them what they can have and cannot have, right?

1. start minding our own business and stop antagonizing potential enemies
2. become respected again
3. nobody wants to nuke us
4. ?????
5. massive profit

it's not that difficult a concept, dude

[Left Now]

1. start minding our own business and stop antagonizing potential enemies
2. become respected again
3. nobody wants to nuke us
4. ?????
5. massive profit

it's not that difficult a concept, dude

Regualrism.Right?

[phuckphace]

non-interventionism.

murricans can't grasp the concept of living in a world where nobody wants to attack them, so this can be a hard sell. it's the "but I'll be riddled with bullets as soon as I take off my bulletproof vest!" mindset. it never occurs to them that perhaps maybe possibly perchance our turning the Middle East into a wartorn anarchy zone might have pissed off the locals just a wee bit (and made "blow yourself up for Allah" cool again)

[Stronk Serb]

I am not going to even waste my time with the sheer stupidity of what is being said. while we are at it, let's give nukes to North Korea as well. after all, no one should tell them what they can have and cannot have, right?

Well, North Korea won't nuke you, as much as you think. Yeah, they threaten you, but the leadership isn't so stupid because the US, UK and France would nuke back. If the US wasn't meddling everywhere, you wouldn't have 2/3 of the world hating you.

[SethfromMI]

Well, North Korea won't nuke you, as much as you think. Yeah, they threaten you, but the leadership isn't so stupid because the US, UK and France would nuke back. If the US wasn't meddling everywhere, you wouldn't have 2/3 of the world hating you.

I am not saying we have never stuck our nose where it doesn't belong, but are you trying to tell me Serbia would not be concerned if one of their enemies got a nuke (assuming they haven't had one) ? Iran has not been allies with us.

and I partly agree with you on North Korea. we would definitely nuke back. but there is a few things to consider. one Kim Jong whatever is pretty mentally unstable. It is hard telling what he may do. two, if North Korea ever developed nukes and used them on us, if we used them back on North Korea we got countries like Russia, IRAN, and other countries (possibly China) ready to go back. would things escalate that way? It is not a grantee, in fact, it may be on the extreme end, but in an age of nuclear weapons, it can happen and people should be aware of the possibilities.

Just because Iran claims they want peace means we should believe them? Hitler and Stalin thought they were doing good in their own eyes, should we assume they were trying to do good then?

[Stronk Serb]

I am not saying we have never stuck our nose where it doesn't belong, but are you trying to tell me Serbia would not be concerned if one of their enemies got a nuke (assuming they haven't had one) ? Iran has not been allies with us.

and I partly agree with you on North Korea. we would definitely nuke back. but there is a few things to consider. one Kim Jong whatever is pretty mentally unstable. It is hard telling what he may do. two, if North Korea ever developed nukes and used them on us, if we used them back on North Korea we got countries like Russia, IRAN, and other countries (possibly China) ready to go back. would things escalate that way? It is not a grantee, in fact, it may be on the extreme end, but in an age of nuclear weapons, it can happen and people should be aware of the possibilities.

Just because Iran claims they want peace means we should believe them? Hitler and Stalin thought they were doing good in their own eyes, should we assume they were trying to do good then?

Iran doesn't give two shits about North Korea , neither does Russia. China maybe, but it's not really in their economic interests to fight you because they produce most of the goods you buy. The age of 'who's got a bigger army or more nukes' has passed. Now it's 'who's got a bigger wallet'. No nuclear powers have clashed, ever. Also, Iran has many reasons to develop nukes. They are in the hornet's nest and you cooking up the instability doesn't help. Besides, they won't nuke you.

[Left Now]

Iran doesn't give two shits about North Korea , neither does Russia. China maybe, but it's not really in their economic interests to fight you because they produce most of the goods you buy. The age of 'who's got a bigger army or more nukes' has passed. Now it's 'who's got a bigger wallet'. No nuclear powers have clashed, ever. Also, Iran has many reasons to develop nukes. They are in the hornet's nest and you cooking up the instability doesn't help. Besides, they won't nuke you.

If by Nuke you mean weapons:

I saaaaid Iran does not and cannot want to have these types of weapons!

Even if you think being in a region instable as hell is an excuse for a stable nation to have that right to possess or produce WMDs,still Iran has no right to even think about it.If a day they decided to do such a thing like this,I will be the first one to go and slap each one of them in the face and rise against their stupidity in the name of Islamic Republic of IRAN!

Please do not defend the imaginary Nuclear Armed Iran anymore,because Iran has no legitimacy to have WMDs if it really claims to be an Islamic Republic.