Adult Incest Discussion

[Sasha M]

Incest as a child is a touchy subject, but what about this scenario:
Sibling roommates, lets say 20 and 24 or something.
Could they have regular casual sex for fun?
It would be incest, it would be illegal, but wouldn't it be perfectly morally fine?

Discuss.

[Stronk Serb]

No. Incest is considered immoral for a reason. What if they accidentally have offspring? And that offspring decides it's fun to screw around with their siblings/cousins too? Besides, there are more than three billion persons of the oposite sex, sure you will find somebody.

[THJKIGB]

Having sex with your siblings no matter what age you are is wrong and immoral in my book. There are so many people on this earth of the opposite sex or same sex other than someone's siblings to have sex with so there should be no reason for it.

[drhalsey1]

It's also not like you can pick who you like all the time, so I'm not sure why the offense, as long as they're cautious and both consenting to it, let them be happy and do what they want

[everlong]

I don't think you should be having sex with your siblings no matter what the scenario is

[Gwen]

Love is love, as long as they don't mess up the gene pool they could go for gold for all I care.

[THJKIGB]

It's also not like you can pick who you like all the time, so I'm not sure why the offense, as long as they're cautious and both consenting to it, let them be happy and do what they wantI agree with you somewhat here, but there has to be a line drawn at some point with morality. At first many many people were not morally acceptable of homosexual behavior now that is acceptable which I personally feel is the correct thing to do. I do however feel if we keep on accepting things like sleeping with siblings this could lead to accepting Polygamy and then also even crazier shit like having sex with animals just because people seem attracted to them. I am all for people being happy, but it does have to stop somewhere.

[drhalsey1]

There does have to be limits somewhere, yes, but I'm not sure if that limit has to be set on family attraction though, I like a couple of my cousins

[Abhorrence]

"Could they"? Yes, of course they could. Do I agree with it? Nope.
Morally? To me, it's morally wrong. To others, well it may not be. I've said my views on incest plenty of times on this forum so I'm not going to go too much into it because I realise that other people have different views. I, personally, don't understand why anyone would ever want to have sex with a sibling but then I guess in a way we don't understand what we don't experience.

[Sasha M]

No. Incest is considered immoral for a reason. What if they accidentally have offspring? And that offspring decides it's fun to screw around with their siblings/cousins too? Besides, there are more than three billion persons of the oposite sex, sure you will find somebody.


1) This story has nothing to do with me.

2) What about same-sex? No offspring.

3) There are plenty of fish in the ocean, but sometimes its hard to catch one

[WaffleSingSong]

Scientifically, your not supposed to have an attraction to your family members. Your (supposed to) be actually turned off by things of their body, like there smell for example. Also, having an incestual baby (I think) increases the chance for genetic and chromosomal mutations.

That being said, the government really shouldn't have nothing to do with it, and I really don't care if two siblings, for example, are in a consensual relationship. I mean, I don't really understand it IMO, but it's not my business.

[Jean Poutine]

No. Hell no. Do you want the family to be even more destroyed than it already is?

Incest is the one (nigh-)universal taboo and it's there for a reason. Legitimizing incest would lead to attempts to legitimize incestuous offspring which obviously is very bad for our gene pool. I don't know if you've noticed but give one inch to the ultra-individualists and they'll take a mile. After all, how does something going on between adults behind closed doors concern you? Why do you have the right to tell people what to do? It's a powerful argument at first glance and it is one that has led to numerous boundaries being broken, some for good, some for bad. However, individual actions have collective repercussions and then it is 100% our business to put our foot down as a society and say "that's completely unacceptable". It's hard enough dealing with family, imagine if you're dealing with family fucking each other or sexual tension or jealousy or an accidental pregnancy resulting in fucked-up offspring or what have you. I don't see how such a model could be functional in any way, shape or form. It would ruin it.

Incest would be one of the very bad lines and at some point the foot has to be put down. Right after the SCUS decision on same-sex marriage there were articles published about how "it's time to legalize polygamy". Some people out there are like teenagers : they will push and push the boundaries until they find one that doesn't give in.

Incest is a much more widespread fetish that you might think. Sex with in-laws is the "polite" version of it, but it still revolves around having sex with a family member, and there are so many videos of that shit that it's actually almost mainstream. There are lots of videos dropping the pretense too and showing siblings banging each other. If we make it okay for brother and sister to have sex then why bother going outside the family to do so? I think most siblings like each other and it's only the ingrained psychological revulsion at fucking a sibling that stops most of them. What happens if we get rid of that? How many threads do we have on here about fantasizing about siblings or masturbating with them even?

Human free will is a blessing and a curse. We can do beautiful things with it, but it has to be limited somehow else we are also capable of incredibly disgusting shit. Some would see it pushed to the extreme even if individual pleasure meant collective chaos. Fuck that, it's enough. Our civilization is more important than a sick fuck's masturbatory fantasy about nailing his sister bent over the family dinner table.

[Stronk Serb]

1) This story has nothing to do with me.

2) What about same-sex? No offspring.

3) There are plenty of fish in the ocean, but sometimes its hard to catch one

I wasn't refering to you. Sorry if you understood it that way. And sexual intercourse can have a slight chance of pregnancy, each time it is a dice roll and if a bad dice roll is achieved...
Also, if a guy can't find a girl, he shouldn't go and bang his sister. Also fooling around as you put it is also bad.

[Hindsight]

I may be having an unpopular opinion here, but I personally view that incest is not inherently "immoral" or a sin. You may argue that it's "not natural in this modern society", but what is "natural"? Natural =/= good, unnatural =/= bad. After all, what's natural is decided by us. So is morality. Hell, in the old times homosexuality was immoral. Morals change. Many rules and practices in today's society is arbitrary. Incest should not be considered a crime, nor should people who practice it be considered as immoral or insane.

To be clear, I am not advocating or promoting the act of incest. In fact, I would strongly advise against it. Offsprings resulted from incest tend to carry genetic problems much more often. But incest is not something you should criminalize. The limits of who you should be sexually attracted to is arbitrary and artificial.

[Uniquemind]

I couldn't relate to wanting to be with a sibling, the attraction just isn't there.

But I will be fair to say the practice of incest (depending on which generational pairing) increases the CHANCES of a genetic disease or other health complication due to similar genes.

However there are documented cases where children from an incest union were perfectly normal too.

Morally I don't agree with it, but morals in the way I see the word are arbitrary. If my real standard of morals was enforced the world would be a lot less messed up than it is now. HA morals.

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To an extent though all of the human race is already interbred that's why we remain the same species.

It's just the severity of relational distance from one another.


For instance if for some reason a small percentage of humanity got cut off from the rest of humanity and thus had their own gene pool, it would force that small percentage of people over time to adapt to their new limited gene pool, and over time after generations might evolve into a totally new species once the veil of separation was lifted.

Those with unfavorable mutations due to inbreeding will die, those with successful mutations for the environment will survive.


Nature is cruel, but a certain degree of inbreeding IS natural.



The problem arises when cultural traditions mix with these types of practices.

The historical example of royal bloodlines is a good example (everyone kept marrying among royalty to keep "pure blood" along with family wealth within specific social circles that it eroded their health. Over time everybody was marrying someone's cousin.)

[Left Now]

Love is A matter,Sexual Intercourse is Another.Only if people would understand this many of our problems could be solved.Naturally and Biologically the last purpose of Sexual Intercourse is to transfere one's alleles to the next generation,not to have fun.Seriously what do you mean by saying that it is "Making Love"?

The porpuse of Love is to have people who can complete your personalities dearly.This love can be between every two people,every and will be gained through knowing during a long period of time.This one is very different from Sexual Relations.When two people say they love each others,while it is only three hours since they have met,they are misunderstanding Like with Love.Love is all logic,it does not follow the stereotype that "Love is with heart and it differs from logic which is with brain".

As I said the main and last porpuse of Sexual Intercourse is to transfere your good alleles to the next generation and have a share in the gene bank of it.Family Incest is something that can never satisfy the above statement.At least here Biology can easily make its way through anything.

Also, having an incestual baby (I think) increases the chance for genetic and chromosomal mutations.

It is not about mutations.It is about two weak alleles of the gene or genes of a type of disorder would have more chance to be in one person,that would actually cause the disorder in the individual.

[Miserabilia]

Since morals usualy have a primitive/instinctive source, there's a few ways to think about it.

Basicly the natural aversion to incest is that genetic family is not suitable to create offspring with. So a brother/sister, son/mother, daughter/father relationship is usualy the least favourable.
By this logic it's *only* morally (and even that depends on where you are/when you are) wrong to have inest with a more distant relative (genetic cousins are fairly common) and usualy only socialy unaccaptable to have sex with a non-genetic family member like stepfamily.

The other side to this logic though is that since two people of the same sex can't create offspring it would be acceptable to see sex between two brothers, two sisters, sister and mother, and brother and father.

[thegreatgatz]

It's considered wrong for good reasons. Incest is not for the good of the human species, in fact, its a negative. It goes against natural selection, where animals such as humans select mates which will allow for a natural selection of genes. If this gene pool is very small, it is much more likely that the children will inherit screwed up genes. So, overall, our society's opposition to incest will stay, because it is dangerous to the species. The moral taboo against homosexuality used to have a similar purpose: To encourage the continuation of the species. However now that we have huge overpopulation, the taboo is slowly disappearing.

[maggs]

Love is love, as long as they don't mess up the gene pool they could go for gold for all I care.

I agree with this.

If it's for love or for fun, IMO it's ok.
If it's for procreating, then no.

[Kirina]

The purpose of sexual intercourse being reproduction and "The human race will die out because of homosexuals and abortions" is bullshit and no longer an argument, because overpopulation is a real issue.

Like homosexuals find other ways to have children, incest couples will as well.

It won't lead to accepting beastiality or pedophilia because those can't be rationalized. Kittens and kids can't consent and intelectually they are not on the same level as a adult human. Any kind of love the cat and child express will not be the same as the adult express.

[Sasha M]

I agree with this.

If it's for love or for fun, IMO it's ok.
If it's for procreating, then no.

Exactly! All people are talking about here are the babies! All I ment was just some fun!

[Left Now]

Exactly! All people are talking about here are the babies! All I ment was just some fun!

Not everything is a TOY to have fun with,and not everyone is baby to TOY with everything.

The purpose of sexual intercourse being reproduction and "The human race will die out because of homosexuals and abortions" is bullshit and no longer an argument, because overpopulation is a real issue.

Like homosexuals find other ways to have children, incest couples will as well.


It is not about having children,it is about adding a new composition of 46 chromosomes human to the population of the World.Homosexual couples just adopt an already created child because it is IMPOSSIBLE for themselves to create it.Incest has a great chance of creating an individual with a pair of weak alleles belonging to a gene which is involved in appearance of a disorder.



It won't lead to accepting beastiality or pedophilia because those can't be rationalized. Kittens and kids can't consent and intelectually they are not on the same level as a adult human. Any kind of love the cat and child express will not be the same as the adult express.


I only hope Harry Smith was here,he could easily define Sex from Love.Love has noting to do with having Sex,understand this.There is a reason that these Sexual Subjects are not to appear normal in public,because they ruin anything which is related to Love and other important thing.

Incest is the ultimate way to express these subjects and give them an importance more than any other thing.Just think about it:Coming home from University or Work and see one of your close family members,then suddenly it will pop in your mind that "Yes,they are someone whom I can have fun with"?Is it seriously about fun?Aren't specialists of Sexology screaming all days and nights that Sexual Relations are not for FUN?

The way you express love is exactly the same thing that heavy religiously-minded people think.Love is Sexual Relationship.Ones simply would call someones who are having sexual relations with others Lovers!This is not LOVE at all.Love has nothing to do with Sex.They are two really different matters.Sexual Intercourse is Naturally,Biologically,Logically,Mathematically,Philosophically and ... for Reproduction at the end,Genitals are meant for this,nearly every Biologist agrees with this.These types of expressions are UNNATURAL.

Plus+Putting any of these things aside,just for Heterosexual people,I personally believe there are just two reasons for having sex for man.One:Satisfying the female whom he loves' desires.Two:Making a Child.

[Uniquemind]

I want to add that I guess it would be OK if you knew you were 100% sterile.

Then children have no chance of being in the picture and then all sex becomes for that person is something fun to do, or experience to have with a partner.

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I also want to and that a lot of same-sex couples now have a biological children via in vitro fertilization and sperm donors.

So they like have children, kind of, and they do, with modern science, reproduce and pass on genes to the next generation.

[Left Now]

I want to add that I guess it would be OK if you knew you were 100% sterile.

Then children have no chance of being in the picture and then all sex becomes for that person is something fun to do, or experience to have with a partner.

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I also want to and that a lot of same-sex couples now have a biological children via in vitro fertilization and sperm donors.

So they like have children, kind of, and they do, with modern science, reproduce and pass on genes to the next generation.


You understand that this type of Reproduction is not available all the times and they cost usually very much?Not just money,but also Biological and Chemical Materials which are not always available neither and many of them are particularly rare.This type of Production is not recommended by Sociologists and Biologists in comparing with natural reproductions,because of the costs and wasting of resources which they cause and the General effects which they can have on Society.

[StoppingTom]

Why do I care who other people like to get it on with? As long as they aren't hurting anyone and legitimately care about the other person then I'm neutral on the subject and believe they should do what they want as responsible adults.

[Left Now]

Why do I care who other people like to get it on with? As long as they aren't hurting anyone and legitimately care about the other person then I'm neutral on the subject and believe they should do what they want as responsible adults.

^This.

Do anything you like to do in your own private in this matter.Do not Shout it in the Public.

[Stronk Serb]

If you are looking for pros and cons of an incestous relationship, please look at the Targeryen dynasty and the Lannister twins in A Song of Ice and Fire novels. Also said examples could be found throughout history.

[phuckphace]

just poppin in to say I've got a cousin that I'd totally do if he was down

but generally all examples of incest I see irl are always dysfunctional in some way or another, it really can't be healthy 99% of the time

[Uniquemind]

You understand that this type of Reproduction is not available all the times and they cost usually very much?Not just money,but also Biological and Chemical Materials which are not always available neither and many of them are particularly rare.This type of Production is not recommended by Sociologists and Biologists in comparing with natural reproductions,because of the costs and wasting of resources which they cause and the General effects which they can have on Society.

I am aware but I brought it up just because I wasn't sure people were at least acknowledging that this does happen because tech and science allows for this now.

Regardless of who endorses or opposes this tool of reproduction it happens anyway because people choose the technology.


Same with the extraction and freezing of egg cells from young women who want to use young eggs but be older when they start a family.

Expensive yes but this is the present time now it needs to be discussed.

[AutumnWinds]

i don't think it's wrong. it's certainly not normal, but sometimes it pays to be different.

that being said, i have no siblings and would never do anything with my parents. but the fct that i wouldn't do it doesn't mean you can't

[underwateruber]

I believe the incest laws in most places are as they should be, not allowing, siblings, parents and aunts/uncles, etc. to engage in sexual intercourse but allowing cousins, etc. to engage in sexual intercourse as there is only a minimal risk. I believe that those prohibited to have sexual intercourse should be allowed to engage in other sexual activity though.

[tonymontana99]

It's immoral. But it's not surprising that some liberals may be trying to make it mainstream.

[Miserabilia]

It's immoral. But it's not surprising that some liberals may be trying to make it mainstream.

those darn liberals :rolleyes:
with their different opinions how dare they

[DerBear]

Quite frankly, disgusting on all levels and morally wrong. Even child incest is wrong in every way imaginable. The only excuse is at a child level is they aren't mature enough to know better, when young, once you're over the age of say 8 or 10 then you should know that its wrong.

[Phoenix718]

I think that people can not help who/what they are attracted to. I am sensing some hypocrisy here as many people are against the idea, but don't many people say to homophobes that it doesn't matter what someone else does in their own homes?