pr0n is bad for you (deal w/it)

[phuckphace]

personally I'm very fortunate to have never developed a serious pr0n habit. by the time I got my own personal PC that wasn't in the kitchen where my entire family could see what I was looking at, pr0n was already over the top fucked up. my personal tastes are pretty subdued, so when I watched a video of some guy gaping his butt open for the first time, I was...rather thrown, you could say. it's also really annoying to spend an hour sifting through 500,000,000 vids to find something half decent (being generous). the last straw was probably when I stumbled on some articles and studies that exposed the porn industry for the fucked up, exploitative cartel that it is. finding out that the scrawny "actors" that I just spanked it to were probably homeless teens doing videos for drug money, I felt even worse.

I don't think it's necessarily the end of the world if 13 year old boys have a peek at some bewbs every now and then. I'd say we should definitely be concerned about all these kiddos with 150-gigabyte pr0n libraries catalogued by actresses' names (seen this irl).

porn: not even once

[Stronk Serb]

Yeah it's bad. I can't remember the last time I watched.

[Left Now]

Definitely it is a even worse than bad.I would rather suggest people to go and study Sexology and Biology to improve their sexual progress than wasting their time watching "Pop-Corn".

The most thing which annoys me about this "Pop-Corn" industry is the fact that disrespecting females is all 99% of all of their products display.Seriously what good can they provide which cannot be achieved through less-costly ways?

[phuckphace]

the same dude I know with the 150GB pr0n stash hasn't yet had a gf but I already know how that's going to go based on the way he talks about women. he's got this picture in his mind that all women are prolific deepthroaters and love to get pounded in the ass & called names and other fucked up shit that normal people don't do. then again I suppose watching HAWT BARELY LEGAL SLUT LUVS TO FUKK XXX BIG TITS EDITION all day won't provide you with the best representation of normal bedroom adventures

I guess after his first gf breaks up with him for slapping her in the face during sex, he'll begin his career as a beautiful strong 4chan edgelord who don't need no monogamous relationship (ugh girls are such prudes)

[Stronk Serb]

the same dude I know with the 150GB pr0n stash hasn't yet had a gf but I already know how that's going to go based on the way he talks about women. he's got this picture in his mind that all women are prolific deepthroaters and love to get pounded in the ass & called names and other fucked up shit that normal people don't do. then again I suppose watching HAWT BARELY LEGAL SLUT LUVS TO FUKK XXX BIG TITS EDITION all day won't provide you with the best representation of normal bedroom adventures

I guess after his first gf breaks up with him for slapping her in the face during sex, he'll begin his career as a beautiful strong 4chan edgelord who don't need no monogamous relationship (ugh girls are such prudes)

Hahahah yeah. Tell him to come here, we have sluts who enjoy getting banged by foreigners in night clubs. Also he will have to pay a lot for their needs, but with a 'murrican pay he has that covered. It's a plague here that needs to be stopped too. Some girls realised that they can get that macho boyfriend by dressing like hookers and acting like whores. Now having a boyfriend is usually not for affection, but for prestige here. Kinda makes me wonder how did my girlfriend and I remain sane in this society.

[Sir Suomi]

Meh, it's something that is alright with moderation. If your tally-whacker has calluses on it, I think it might be time to stop watching.

[Uniquemind]

The really rough stuff is really bad and definitely has a negative impact on dating culture as well.

It probably has also contributed to rape statistics too, especially at the high school and college levels.

There has also been an upward trend of websites enabling young people (mainly girls) to be sugar babies to help pay for their college tuition too, especially since the 2008 Recession hit that generation's parents in the wallet pretty hard.

Perhaps this latter point needs it's own thread though.

[Miserabilia]

Porn industry is a bit fucked up but so is any industry and has probably been forever; atleast nowadays we can abuse helpless people sexualy without having to do them physical harm ourselves.

In all seriousness though, porn is addictive and sets strange trends and expectations in sex, increasing chance for things like erection problems during sex etc.
Also anal sex, nopenopenope.

[phuckphace]

Meh, it's something that is alright with moderation. If your tally-whacker has calluses on it, I think it might be time to stop watching.

but that's the thing, you don't need pr0n to spank it

[ndrwmxwll]

tfw natsoc on vteen has a better line on porn than 99% of the first world Left

srs tho i might have something real to add later,,,

[lliam]

Although I've watched porns as I was 13, I never downloaded a porn on my PC.

I can't say how much porn I watched exactly, but it was enough so that porn began boring me.

But for some friends watching porns now is a part of their everyday life.


Funny enough, a few of them mentioned once to become porn actors when they turn 18 or so.

May be it's probably a dream of my generation. While my granpa still dreamed of becoming an astronaut, policeman or firefighter, guys nowadays dream of a career as a porn star.


thanks, internet.^^

[Karkat]

It has its purpose, but it's unrealistic and imo neither sexy nor entertaining

Just cheesy and mildly uncomfortable. And I'm not even a prude. It's not to say I've never gotten aroused by pron gifs before, but hearing faked sex noises is not my idea of a good time

[Uniquemind]

Should we make this discussion more specific though to narrow and debate the pros and cons of each genre of porn?

Or are we going to stay generally vague and lump it call as one bad thing?

Some of it is more graphic and violent than other forms of it.

[phuckphace]

I think there's a huge difference between say, tasteful nudity and some chick with smeared mascara and fake tits getting spitroasted under harsh studio lights

part of the problem with 2015 pr0n is how easy it is to access and the sheer quantity of it. our grandfathers looked at/spanked it to playboy spreads and turned out okay, while the same can't be said for our generation which has 24/7 on demand access to ULTRA HD TOTAL ANAL WRECKAGE III from the day we're born.

ever go out and see 6 year old kids carrying around their own iPad mini? guess what's playing when rents aren't around (hint: it ain't Angry Birds)

[Uniquemind]

I think there's a huge difference between say, tasteful nudity and some chick with smeared mascara and fake tits getting spitroasted under harsh studio lights

part of the problem with 2015 pr0n is how easy it is to access and the sheer quantity of it. our grandfathers looked at/spanked it to playboy spreads and turned out okay, while the same can't be said for our generation which has 24/7 on demand access to ULTRA HD TOTAL ANAL WRECKAGE III from the day we're born.

ever go out and see 6 year old kids carrying around their own iPad mini? guess what's playing when rents aren't around (hint: it ain't Angry Birds)

The accessibility is a problem.

But in the same vein, I haven't seen 6 year olds getting a hold of that stuff deliberately.

I have seen those around the onset of puberty begin to seek adult sexual material out though (9 and up).


Let's not over sensationalize the stereotype, there are still plenty of kids who would rather spend time playing board games, tag, Pokemon, web interactive games and rpg's, shopkins figurine collectible sets, and Xbone and Ps4 or wii U games.


The videos you cite (the three ways, orgies, and violent stuff) are a problem and highly sexist in the depiction of how power is used in a sexual relationship. However so far nobody has mentioned the side of adult entertainment that are solo performances (nude photo shoots, webcams, professional solo masturbatory videos).

A really uptight conservative perspective could argue also that even this softer side of porn is a "gateway" to the harder stuff.


In some cases it's Tweens performing (sexting, video or still images) of themselves to send to their fling of the (week, month, semester, year etc.). The excuse has often been to keep "him" interested in a girl.



(P.S. I'm not arguing any one perspective over another, in fact I am aware I just presented two contradictory lines of argument in this post alone, and I'm hoping to expand the topic a bit more with OP's and moderator's permission).

[Emerald Dream]

I agree with a few points already brought out in this thread - primarily the accessibility of porn and the complete desensitization of people regarding it.

There's nothing really mysterious or exciting anymore when it concerns sexual discovery. Like others have already said....anyone can turn on a computer or a cellphone and look at (or watch) anything from a random person taking nude selfies to random porn girl getting gangbanged by six guys. So much of it is out there that people just don't react to it anymore. I can scroll down my own tumblr dashboard and find 50 porn images or gifs at any given time, and not even blink twice at it. Total desensitization in my eyes, and probably the eyes of most other people nowadays.

I wouldn't go so far to say that it can't be entertaining, because I understand that everyone has their own likes and dislikes - but the problem is the message and the expectation it sends. A lot of people just don't seem to understand that most porn is fantasy. It's presented as a perfect representation of sex and fetishes, and one that is very much false.

Real sex, and real experiences are nothing at all like porn.

I'm sorry, but if you're basing your sexual expectations (and your ridiculous storytelling, especially on an internet forum) off of what you see in a porn video...then you're only fooling yourself. I doubt most real couples are banging for three hours in nine positions (not to mention the perfectly smooth transitions between them lol). Granted, there are probably some people who like different things, but I would guess that most guys attempting to put their hands on their girlfriend throat during sex (and many more examples, which I won't get into here) would not go over well. I know if someone tried that with me, they would be swallowing some teeth. The violence and overly rough depictions of sex as being normal in porn are giving people the wrong idea of what real sex actually is. In reality, there's a lot of times where sex is probably rushed, uncomfortable, and embarrassing. Notice that there's no accidental farting or fumbling around trying to get into sexual positions in a porn video. That's because it's not real. Stop treating it as what to expect or what you want sex to be. Be "entertained" by it all you want, but realize it's a complete fantasy.

This also leads to such ridiculousness as to worrying about "omg how do guys/girls want my pubic hair to be?" Really?? If someone is concerned whether you have pubic hair, are trimmed, or shaved (and wouldn't have sex with you if they disapprove), then you probably don't need to even think about having sex with them. That's the epitome of wack-ass porn culture right there. Keep your body however is most comfortable for yourself - not for whatever dumbass porn expectations a possible partner has.

[SethfromMI]

I will confess I will watch it on a rare occasion but I really do agree with you about the things you said. There are a lot of things people do not realize about that industry or sadly do not even care. The fact I rarely use it now should make me seriously consider not using it anymore period

[phuckphace]

This also leads to such ridiculousness as to worrying about "omg how do guys/girls want my pubic hair to be?" Really?? If someone is concerned whether you have pubic hair, are trimmed, or shaved (and wouldn't have sex with you if they disapprove), then you probably don't need to even think about having sex with them. That's the epitome of wack-ass porn culture right there. Keep your body however is most comfortable for yourself - not for whatever dumbass porn expectations a possible partner has.

yeah one of the most fucked up things about porn is the way it warps normal sexuality. the porn generation thinks pubic hair is "gross" and a "turn-off" and ~must~ have their partners smooth like a little kid (the fuck?) and in the same vein there's also the "barely legal" category featuring 18 y.o. "actresses" who look 12. it actually makes me wonder how many of the "barely legal" pornographers are doubly involved in actual child porn on the side.

then you've also got guys, very young, who are obsessed with anal because of porn, and this leads to the guy pestering his girlfriend to try it even though she finds it degrading and painful. way too many girls put up with this shit because it's become so normalized they just think "it's a guy thing" or some shit.

[Uniquemind]

The most sobering thing I think sex ed can do to counter porn, is to actually have written, thorough interview read in-class regarding how they were treated and what it felt like doing the scene everybody witnessed as the final polished video product.

They'll tell you all the prep work that went into it, that sometimes the director yells cut and then pastes one shot with the next which was actually filmed 8 hrs later or even another day.

That sometimes the guys they film with are considerate, others are assholes, same goes with directors.

Sometimes the sexual position of a scene isn't stimulating to their clitoris or is actually painful but they admit to faking it, because that's what the director wants from them.


Reading those interviews from the actual women who film these scenes probably saved my mind when I see porn now.

The penises used in a lot of scenes are prosthetics pieces painted onto the male body with makeup to camouflage them in with the skin.

Girls go through a lot of foreplay prep time off camera before they take a penetration. (Aka: it doesn't happen in real life after 5-9 minutes of stripping off clothes).


Money and drugs are pervasive in Porn, but it doesn't necessarily mean everybody uses them.

You also learn that within the industry more female pornstars are becoming directors and talent agents in their own right as a counter to make (directors, agencies) abusing their positions of power to get certain shots (sex act) sequences done.


So a lot of change is happening, regardless if your neutral on the porn issue, or anti-porn.

Understand all the problems then we can figure out a solution.

The pubic hair issue is a good example, but I think the movement against it has been sustained by pragmatic reasons as well. For instance I don't like getting it between my teeth or in my mouth during oral.

However the demand for anal...that's a perfect example of where porn has provided a false sense of sex education to young people both around my age and those older than me by 15 years.

There was a new report I saw where a fraternity's chant across multiple colleges were "no means yes and yes means anal". < that's a huge problem right there in date-rape culture probably porn inspired.

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yeah one of the most fucked up things about porn is the way it warps normal sexuality. the porn generation thinks pubic hair is "gross" and a "turn-off" and ~must~ have their partners smooth like a little kid (the fuck?) and in the same vein there's also the "barely legal" category featuring 18 y.o. "actresses" who look 12. it actually makes me wonder how many of the "barely legal" pornographers are doubly involved in actual child porn on the side.

then you've also got guys, very young, who are obsessed with anal because of porn, and this leads to the guy pestering his girlfriend to try it even though she finds it degrading and painful. way too many girls put up with this shit because it's become so normalized they just think "it's a guy thing" or some shit.

In the U.S. it isn't so much of a problem of minors doing porn, nor are they doing jailbait porn on the side.


But rather the creepiest stuff is occurring within the regular modeling industry regarding fashion and child modeling, specifically in developing countries with struggling GDP.

Many times the models age 18, are not 18, but are rather 16-17, their countries don't have the same child labor protection laws the USA does, or if they do they're not enforced well.

A primary source (friend of mine) who left the modeling industry abroad, said "it was very common to hear of fellow girl models sleeping or carrying on a sexual relationship with their agent or/and their various photographers to insure they'll land steady work".

She specifically cited Romania as having both this problem and serious drug problems. But she did mention actresses are wary of a lot of drugs because they're aware of the damage it can have on beauty, which is their career too. So there are mental problems that develop, or sexual damaging relationships problem that primarily plague the industry.

[Babs]

The porn industry is real nasty. If there were ways to protect the actors from exploitation and abuse, I wouldn't have an issue but evidently we haven't found it.

[Uniquemind]

The porn industry is real nasty. If there were ways to protect the actors from exploitation and abuse, I wouldn't have an issue but evidently we haven't found it.

Based on what I saw on the news today (some New Hampsire High School) Senior boys had a contest going called a "Senior Salute" where the whole premise was a literal context to see how many Senior boys could have sexual relations with freshmen girls.

This is our peer group, how could we let this happen and how can we be the generation to end this.

[jessie3]

The Porn industry has it's ups and downs like a lot of industries but some of the things you hear, you can't blame the industry as a whole. The industry is in no way sexiest, the independent studios only film videos that appeal to the market place they are wanting to attract. A lot of research goes into producing new films. Studios have to gather demographics and statistics to see what kind of video they should be doing, they also have to see the amount of likes, dislikes, comments and up to date trends in order to produce a new movie.

A lot of safety goes into making the videos. Actors and actresses go through intensive check ups by highly appointed doctor's. If a problem occurs then the executive producers have to decide if the model can go on and perform depending of course on the severity.

Porn is an art work, it is a masterpiece of the imaginative and fantasy. Porn is only bad if the viewer itself decides to act out the performance for harmful purposes.

Like Emerald Dream said "Real sex and real experiences are nothing like porn". Real sex is much more romantic and very much less scripted.

Based on what I saw on the news today (some New Hampsire High School) Senior boys had a contest going called a "Senior Salute" where the whole premise was a literal context to see how many Senior boys could have sexual relations with freshmen girls.

This is our peer group, how could we let this happen and how can we be the generation to end this.

It happened because the school let it happened. The "Senior Salute" was a tradition there. Also there was no mention of porn being involved. Although it is around our peer group, this does in no way define who we are.

As to ending it, nothing could end the porn industry. It's a multi billion dollar power house. Sex sells.

Double post merged. -HN

[phuckphace]

The Porn industry has it's ups and downs like a lot of industries but some of the things you hear, you can't blame the industry as a whole. The industry is in no way sexiest, the independent studios only film videos that appeal to the market place they are wanting to attract. A lot of research goes into producing new films. Studios have to gather demographics and statistics to see what kind of video they should be doing, they also have to see the amount of likes, dislikes, comments and up to date trends in order to produce a new movie.

A lot of safety goes into making the videos. Actors and actresses go through intensive check ups by highly appointed doctor's. If a problem occurs then the executive producers have to decide if the model can go on and perform depending of course on the severity.

Porn is an art work, it is a masterpiece of the imaginative and fantasy. Porn is only bad if the viewer itself decides to act out the performance for harmful purposes.

As to ending it, nothing could end the porn industry. It's a multi billion dollar power house. Sex sells.

bleep bloop it's an art form
bleep bloop but condoms & safety regs
bleep bloop it's okay because profit

sounds more like shaky lolbertarian rationalization than an actual argument. um what's wrong with fucking a stranger on camera for money, bigot?! (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=219416)

[Uniquemind]

The Porn industry has it's ups and downs like a lot of industries but some of the things you hear, you can't blame the industry as a whole. The industry is in no way sexiest, the independent studios only film videos that appeal to the market place they are wanting to attract. A lot of research goes into producing new films. Studios have to gather demographics and statistics to see what kind of video they should be doing, they also have to see the amount of likes, dislikes, comments and up to date trends in order to produce a new movie.

A lot of safety goes into making the videos. Actors and actresses go through intensive check ups by highly appointed doctor's. If a problem occurs then the executive producers have to decide if the model can go on and perform depending of course on the severity.

Porn is an art work, it is a masterpiece of the imaginative and fantasy. Porn is only bad if the viewer itself decides to act out the performance for harmful purposes.

Like Emerald Dream said "Real sex and real experiences are nothing like porn". Real sex is much more romantic and very much less scripted.



It happened because the school let it happened. The "Senior Salute" was a tradition there. Also there was no mention of porn being involved. Although it is around our peer group, this does in no way define who we are.

As to ending it, nothing could end the porn industry. It's a multi billion dollar power house. Sex sells.

Double post merged. -HN

Actually the industry struggling a bit because of all the piracy.


I only brought the new Hampshire high school scandal up to illustrate a larger broad picture regarding our alluding to treating sex cheaply within the culture as if it were a game. One can argue women are objectified in porn not completely unlike how many treated their freshman counterpart students and they were "slaying "which was their word for having intimate experiences with them and keeping a tally of who could have the most.


This is now boils down to a pattern of life imitating art imitating life etc.

I will admit that technically the common citizen should be getting them selves checked for STDs in the same frequency at porn stars do.

[jessie3]

bleep bloop it's an art form
bleep bloop but condoms & safety regs
bleep bloop it's okay because profit

sounds more like shaky lolbertarian rationalization than an actual argument. um what's wrong with fucking a stranger on camera for money, bigot?! (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=219416)

Lol wow you are so funny, thanks for actually making me laugh. Also thanks for linking my thread :yes:. I wonder what happened in your life to hate porn so much.

All of your previous comments have been nothing but irrelevant statements.

[phuckphace]

Lol wow you are so funny, thanks for actually making me laugh. Also thanks for linking my thread :yes:. I wonder what happened in your life to hate porn so much.

well it was a dark and stormy night, and a horde of Mexicans jumped the border and took my porno job, now I'm an angry internet fascist.

[Uniquemind]

Since it came up men aren't paid a fair rate or treated well in porn either.

Their constantly on drugs too to stay hard. (Cialis or Viagra)

[phuckphace]

Since it came up men aren't paid a fair rate or treated well in porn either.

Their constantly on drugs too to stay hard. (Cialis or Viagra)

true enough but then again my point wasn't that porn is "sexist", it's equally degrading and exploitative to the performers and society itself whether or not it's consensual. it's a novelty drug that is having unfortunate consequences for our generation.

[Uniquemind]

true enough but then again my point wasn't that porn is "sexist", it's equally degrading and exploitative to the performers and society itself whether or not it's consensual. it's a novelty drug that is having unfortunate consequences for our generation.

Well when ya put it like that.

I'm not surprised The Abrahamic God decides to toss most of humanity into hell and later the "Lake of Fire".

We're (humanity) is broken as ****.


It's not just porn that's exploitative, it's almost everything else about how a human rationalizes their actions relative to their environment.

[Kirina]

Is cam-modelling considered porn?

You can actually make genuine friends there (it's easy to tell who is fake), without paying. However, if you have followed a certain model for some time and they have provided you entertainment, it be nice of you to support them. It's their job and the platform is basically not much different than something like Patreon. Just don't go overboard, I've witnessed people spending more than they can.

I'm hella biased tho.
The first model I supported, I've done so for soon 2 years and the first year I spent about 1k$. For Christmas, she gave me 2k$ as a thanks for my support. Since I also tried my best to promote her, she felt that I contributed to her success.
I don't even get horny by her anymore. The first week after discovering her, she got friendzoned and around the same time I was made mod and were busy muting toxic users in the chat, managing games etc.

It's not perfect but you can meet good people there, not only the model but the other viewers as well. Just don't spend more than you really want to. :p

[Uniquemind]

Is cam-modelling considered porn?

You can actually make genuine friends there (it's easy to tell who is fake), without paying. However, if you have followed a certain model for some time and they have provided you entertainment, it be nice of you to support them. It's their job and the platform is basically not much different than something like Patreon. Just don't go overboard, I've witnessed people spending more than they can.

I'm hella biased tho.
The first model I supported, I've done so for soon 2 years and the first year I spent about 1k$. For Christmas, she gave me 2k$ as a thanks for my support. Since I also tried my best to promote her, she felt that I contributed to her success.
I don't even get horny by her anymore. The first week after discovering her, she got friendzoned and around the same time I was made mod and were busy muting toxic users in the chat, managing games etc.

It's not perfect but you can meet good people there, not only the model but the other viewers as well. Just don't spend more than you really want to. :p

Nobody is saying you can't find people and befriend them and treat them like people just because they do porn.

In fact the humanization of interacting with people who do porn as well...people. Probably helps the issue of objectification of pornstars.

You can't really treat them selfishly or like toys, if you genuinely took time to catch a movie or eat a meal and enjoy each other's company.


But to answer your question, yes camming is porn.

It's just the industry has kinda shifted and it's all entrepreneurial now.

[Grey]

You hear a lot of stories about the porn industry being kind of similar to a crime syndicate in a way. There's a bunch of underage actors, there's even murders in some cases and many porn companies hire people who have criminal records or are on probation. It's a very odd world with very odd tastes and something that I agree is pretty bad for you, having a distorted view of real people and real sex is never healthy for virgins. They're only going to be imagining their first time to be around 30 minutes long with multiple orgasms all around. Porn can set you up to disappoint you, I'd say.