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Discomposure
August 8th, 2015, 05:03 PM
Hey,
It's bin a while since i've posted on here. I was just wondering if some of you guys could give me some advice. My new sister has been undergoing assessments to be put on hormone blockers as she wishes to live life as a girl. Whilst this process is going on we are wanting to change her male name and title to her chosen female name.
When changing with deed poll in the U.K is it simply the declaration form that we need to fill out? She is a minor (under 16) and has parental consent however there are parts of the form that include solicitors/courts. Does this part NEED to be filled in if we are currently just wanting to change her name by deed poll?
Also, how do we go about changing her title? Do we need to or do we just do this when changing it with Dr's, dentists and school etc?
Sorry if this post seems kinda ignorant, it's all still quite new and I'm still learning, as we all are. I just want to get this right for her as it's a big thing and I want it done properly with no mistakes and things having to take too long. Assessments etc all take time I get that and I just think it would be nice for us to do something big for her that isn't going to take time and will be positive for her because I can only imagine how hard this is for her being in the wrong body and how frustrating it must be because of how long things take.
If any of you guys have any advice for me as her sister that will help keep her feeling positive about all this I'd really appreciate it because I want to help her and make sure she's happy.
Thanks everyone.
Desuetude
August 8th, 2015, 07:10 PM
The only reason you would need to go through court is if you didn't have the consent of EVERY person with parental responsibility for the minor (under 18) in question. So if both parents on the birth certificate are supportive, then you would only need to go through deed poll and you're set.
Source: https://www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll/change-a-childs-name
Children under the age of 16
For children under the age of 16, a person holding parental responsibility for the child must apply for the Deed Poll. In order for the document to be accepted by professional bodies such as the passport office, it is necessary for all those holding parental responsibility to give their consent to the name change.
The permission of children under 16 does not need to be obtained for a change of name. However, if a child objects to the change, it is possible for them to apply for a court order to prevent the change. The court will only accept if it is satisfied that the child has a full understanding of what is involved.
So yeah, theres the validity check and here (http://www.ukdp.co.uk/apply-now/how-it-works/) is how to apply.
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Right, the second is a bit more complicated. I'm not sure about this, it's just an assumption but I think that the title a person uses is subjective. For example if a woman is divorced she *should* use Ms. but some decide to use Miss and no one cares. So changing her title I think you go through each situation seperately (as you said), probably when asking the place to change the name they have in the system, it would make the most sense.
If, and I don't think it does, the title HAS to relate to the gender marker on a persons birth certificate then she will have to wait until she's 18 and these (https://www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recognition-certificate/changing-your-gender) are the mandatory guidelines for that:
You’ve changed your gender in the UK and have British medical evidence
You must:
-be 18 or over
-be diagnosed with gender dysphoria (unhappiness with your birth gender)
-have lived as your new gender for 2 years
-intend to live in your changed gender for the rest of your life
-apply to the Gender Recognition Panel
So by changing her name/pronouns/informing the school and other places of her transition you are already getting her on her way to be able to change her gender marker when she comes of age, IF she decides to.
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This post isn't ignorant at all, it's the exact opposite actually. I'm actually really amazed at how sensitive and supportive you're being, trying to help your sister and its amazing to see. Be there for her to talk to and just be involved with her transition. Obviously using the correct pronouns and name will be the first and foremost thing to keep her happy and after that it's just the little things like going shopping and picking out clothes. Anything that you may take for granted and not even think about being cisgender (I assume, correct me if I'm wrong) she will take to heart, so any small compliments regarding her being feminine (if that is how she wishes to express herself) will probably be elating for her to hear.
I just want to thank you, reading this has made me so happy just to hear that you're willing to help and striving to do your best as her sister. Also it's good to hear that she's getting into the system at an early age, the waiting list is so long for hormones and it takes a couple of years to go through the GIC assessments to even be considered so getting her into the system at an early age should speed up the process for getting her on oestrogen at 16, if she decides that it is still what she wants.
Discomposure
August 9th, 2015, 07:11 AM
First, thank you so much for your reply. It's nice to know me and the rest of my sisters family seems to be doing the right thing and heading in the right direction. I appreciate your kind words about being supportive, I can't take all the credit, our mum is amazing and it's probably where I get it from.
Thank you for your information about the deed poll. After reading through forms and guidance I was so confused! We do have both parents consent for the name change (although dad isn't as supportive as we'd like) but I get that it will take some time for him to adjust to this.
I'm actually really excited for her journey and to be on it with her if that makes sense. Seeing how much happier she is since she has came out and gotten things going is amazing and it's so obvious that she's happy and sure of what she wants. I can't wait as we progress to see her become more and more comfortable, I know there may be hard times ahead but just the difference I've seen already is amazing.
Thank you, I just wanted to make sure that along with the name change we would be able to sort the title out. We know it will take some time for hormones and the actual transition but it's all the little things like you say, the things we can do now that are going to mean a lot to her.
Thank you again!
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