Migrants in Calais and Migrant Boat Capsizing - Opinions

[tonymontana99]

What are your thoughts on the multiculturalism/refugee crisis that's taking over Europe? Do you think the UK should welcome and possibly give amnesty to the African refugees that are swarming in from Calais, or should they be sent home? And what about the fishing boat that capsized near Libya, with over 600 migrants on board?

In my opinion, I don't think we should be helping these people. They are endangering Europe's culture, further diluting the continent's homogeneous demographics and ultimately advancing the downfall of civilization. They will soon take away their jobs, have offspring with their women and probably make crime rates sky-rocket, contributing to the creation of more far-right movements, racial and ethical discrimination and the allocation of precious resources and tax money to help those who had no right to be there in the first place. There are 22 cities in the UK where British people are a minority, and it is expected that British people will be a minority as a whole by the late 2060s. What are your thoughts on this subject? Do you think it is okay to sacrifice a country's culture, history and heritage in favour of helping people who, unfortunately, lived in harsh conditions, but will ultimately spread the bad things that come with them to civilized nations? What's more alarming is that "the EU is deliberately bringing in as much immigration into Europe as possible in an effort to 'divide and conquer' the original inhabitants of Europe".

Feel free to add your opinion and input on the multicultural crisis that we are facing. Do you think it will bring us closer, or do you think it will only aggravate and antagonize people who do not like seeing their country and their ancestors hard work being demolished by other cultures?

Sources & Other alarming news:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10032296/White-Britons-will-be-minority-by-2066-says-professor.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/05/fears-for-hundreds-of-migrants-after-fishing-boat-capsizes-off-libya

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/04/opinion/roger-cohen-the-migrant-crisis-in-calais-exposes-a-europe-without-ideas.html?referrer=&_r=0

http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN0Q81WO20150803?irpc=932

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3151581/Twisted-minority-Muslims-Britain-risk-says-MI5-boss-Security-chief-says-bombings-brought-step-change-help-service-foil-plots.html

http://www.rt.com/uk/157012-britain-ethnic-minorities/

http://www.rt.com/op-edge/311647-migrants-eu-policy-uk/

[phuckphace]

sink 'em. bonus XP if the occupants are HIV positive.

pathological altruism is going to be our undoing one day. the sooner we learn to build a 700 foot wall with a shark-filled moat around the entire West and stop trying to turn our nations into free luxury hotels for the world, the better.

[Vermilion]

Im in the UK , London. I really think we can't take anymore people. I've seen the changes happen I don't like walking down the road and not understanding what people are saying and having to change the way I act to please others

[phuckphace]

the far-right likes to get up in arms about race-mixing but in reality it's one of our least concerns, mainly because it's not actually as common as the telescreen would have you believe. normal people tend to prefer marrying within their own race, as they always have (which is how we ended up with distinct races to begin with). we all know millennials with a racial fetish, like those anime nerds who lust for Asian chicks, or Frauen who lust for wealthy black rappers because the telescreen says it's cool and I'm like, so not racist! but they're a small percent of the total and losers anyway.

I'd say the interracial business we do need to worry about is the non-consensual kind. Sweden has imported thousands and thousands of Somalians who showed up and immediately began doing the jobs the natives wouldn't do, by which I mean rape. and yep, if you point out the issues with this arrangement, you're metaphorically Hitler. repeat ad nauseam everywhere that MC is being tried.

[tonymontana99]

sink 'em. bonus XP if the occupants are HIV positive.

pathological altruism is going to be our undoing one day. the sooner we learn to build a 700 foot wall with a shark-filled moat around the entire West and stop trying to turn our nations into free luxury hotels for the world, the better.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you when you say altruism will be our downfall. These people will not come to our countries to work - let's face it - they're coming because of desperation. They don't want to work, they want benefits and privileges. And they want us to pay for them. I don't understand how most people are okay with their country's culture and heritage being ransacked, as long as they bring them their exotic cuisine and degenerate culture. Big business will profit for a while. A fresh batch of workers willing to work for peanuts, but it will hurt the economy in the long run. It'll steal jobs, alienate people and ultimately slow technological and scientific progress. And you know what the worst part is? The man we were all taught to despise, Adolf Hitler, was humanity's last hope to prevent this type of downfall. I'm not a Nazi, I wouldn't mind immigrants if they actually brought useful knowledge and skills to the countries they immigrate to and behaved in a civilized fashion. But, unfortunately, the majority doesn't. They will destroy civilization. It hurts knowing that everything our ancestors fought for will be completely wiped out in the next decades, and our way of thinking that multiculturalism is wrong will seem as primitive as believing the Sun rotated around the Earth.

Im in the UK , London. I really think we can't take anymore people. I've seen the changes happen I don't like walking down the road and not understanding what people are saying and having to change the way I act to please others

I'm so sorry for you and your once great nation. You guys will be the first western nation to fall to multiculturalism. I hope everyone else looks at the UK as an example on how efforts for humanitarian causes and to "bring everyone closer" backfire in a dangerous way. 50 years from now there'll be Sharia law in there, you wait and see.
Also, is it true that the police is confiscating knifes and childrens toys considered to be weapons? I see pictures of tweets from law enforcement documenting the find of everyday household items, childrens toys and even blunt objects, and confiscating them, and also frisking and fining people who don't own "licences" to own them. And not to mention the billboards that warn citizens that they are being watched by Big Brother.

It saddens me that a bunch of people arriving in finishing boats will stop us from becoming a Type 1 civilization in our lifetimes.

[phuckphace]

bleep bloop cheap tacos / bleep bloop muh economic growth are the only justifications for MC that are ever offered, and if the problems are acknowledged at all, well, we don't need to worry because all we have to do is give them more welfare and a free ~university education~ and they'll start behaving themselves. the economic equivalent of nuking your country to save it from global warming.

[tonymontana99]

the far-right likes to get up in arms about race-mixing but in reality it's one of our least concerns, mainly because it's not actually as common as the telescreen would have you believe. normal people tend to prefer marrying within their own race, as they always have (which is how we ended up with distinct races to begin with). we all know millennials with a racial fetish, like those anime nerds who lust for Asian chicks, or Frauen who lust for wealthy black rappers because the telescreen says it's cool and I'm like, so not racist! but they're a small percent of the total and losers anyway.

I'd say the interracial business we do need to worry about is the non-consensual kind. Sweden has imported thousands and thousands of Somalians who showed up and immediately began doing the jobs the natives wouldn't do, by which I mean rape. and yep, if you point out the issues with this arrangement, you're metaphorically Hitler. repeat ad nauseam everywhere that MC is being tried.

I agree. Personally, I judge people based on their intelligence and knowledge. I'd rather have a kid with a smart Korean girl than a dumb white girl. Having said that, these immigrants are definitely not of the intelligence kind. They will literally bring nothing to our nations other than making us have to change our ways in order not to "offend" them. Everyone is offended these days. You can't say anything without offending some special snowflake who thinks laws and regulations should be bent to please them. And yes, you're right, we need more men. Not those anime nerds with "waifus" and jungle fever, we need strong, intelligent men - and women, for that matter - that have the intellectual and social skills to steer our world in the right direction. Unfortunately, things are so bad that the only way to end this problem once and for all would be to kill all these people. Genocide, unfortunately, would be the only solution. Sheltering these people, feeding them, giving them jobs and having to adapt our ways and bow to them won't solve the problem. Back when we didn't have technology or science, back in the cavemen era, only the strong would survive. The weak would be killed, either by Nature or animals. These days, unless there's a natural disaster, no one is threatened by Nature. And no one is threatened by other species, because we ARE the ultimate specie. So, if Nature can't do the job, someone has to. We do. We owe it to our ancestors and we owe it to our children to make sure we eliminate the weak and steer in the right path. It brings tears to my ways when I realize we will never see futuristic cities, humans united and guided by the seeking of knowledge and power, setting off for the distant stars and travelling to the farthest corners of our galaxy... All because a bunch of people in fishing boats made it all come crashing down.

[Vermilion]

The UK has A lot Of People That wont Let This Once Great County Be Taken over. I would rather die taking drastic actions than sit back

[phuckphace]

tonymontana99

note that I didn't say altruism was bad, I said pathological (misplaced) altruism. it's a normal, healthy trait to be altruistic to a point. it becomes pathological when it is put in the service of ideology over country.

genocide is truly heinous and I have to wonder what sort of demented logic makes this justifiable to you in any way. you're also mixing up symptoms and diseases. MC is a symptom of larger systemic problems, namely globalized, high-tech laissez-faire capitalism and the complexity that it added to the social order. if you want to eliminate the symptoms, treat the disease instead (which, by the way, doesn't involve murdering billions of people.)

the world itself has always been multicultural, as a patchwork of ethnically/culturally homogeneous nation-states. when allowed to freely associate with anyone of their own choosing, people have always gravitated toward their own groups and preferred to keep to themselves. MC is a novel arrangement that came about due to the conditions imposed by globalized capitalism. remove the malign influence of the latter, and the former will then fade away into obscurity.

you lost me there at the end by breaking out into Neil DeGrasse Tyson style pontificating about flying cars and the cosmos or whatever. both you and Tyson seem to share the view that, we'd already have flying cars and sex robots if it weren't for those damn [insert villain here]. as it turns out, we don't actually need any of that shit, nor do we have any business even entertaining the thought given our priorities here on Earth. stargazing seems to be a preoccupation amongst a certain type who venerate technology as a panacea while ignoring its complexities and the effect it might have on our society.

[Stronk Serb]

No, it breeds crime and causes a crap ton of problems. Accept only skilled labour immigrants. They understand the western society well and want to integrate.

[Jean Poutine]

You know, it's actually quite expensive to ship yourself to Europe illegally. These people didn't take a direct flight to Calais while jumping through all the hoops.

Chances are they travelled to Libya, then shipped themselves across to Italy then travelled all the way to Calais for a shot at England. At all three of these steps, people smugglers might have been involved. Crossing to Italy from Libya alone is between $4,000 to $8,000. (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30715001) You can bet getting your ass illegally to Libya is about as expensive. Truth is, most Westerners probably couldn't afford it. I know I couldn't.

The people who pay so much to get their ass Fed-Exed in Europe aren't crushingly poor, destitute people. Yeah, they're probably poorer than we are (and even then! I read about a Syrian family who paid $100k to have a boat to themselves), but on the scale of things, they're probably part of their countries' middle classes. When you think about these migrants, don't think of Africans clad with rags, living in a hut coping with literal rivers of sewage flowing through their dirt "streets" because that's not who they are. They had enough money to pay a people smuggler to get them to Europe. They have smartphones, electronics. They're nicking French electricity to charge them. They're not desperately poor.

The other side of the equation is that our doors are wide open. The Western world has never been so accepting of Third World immigration. As late as the late 60s, Canada and Australia still had white-only immigration policies. Nowadays, Canada accepts 250,000 new migrants per year, very few of whom are white. The UK is so welcoming that they don't even bother deporting failed asylum applicants - they only recently stopped paying them because of the Chunnel, so as to "make England less attractive". So what's up with the smugglers? Why would they need them?

We have to consider that these people had to have a reason to smuggle themselves in instead of using legal channels, which ends up more expensive in the end. Maybe they do not have any marketable skills that we would want. Immigrants without skills are the worst immigrants, for many reasons. No skills means no job. No job means government assistance. Reliance on government assistance and the lack of a job not only costs us money, but guarantees the immigrant will never integrate. This gives rise to the ethnic ghettos and racial tension we know of today in the West.

Maybe they are criminals. I've already written that these people probably aren't all that poor in Third World terms, so it is a possibility that money for travelling was raised by illicit means. Again, this is not a class of people we want and I think it's pretty obvious why.

Or maybe their own government have closed off travel. Maybe outbound flights and legal immigration are unavailable. This might be the case. But even then, the problem is not only legal immigration. It's all immigration.

I don't know if you have noticed, but the Western golden age is over. Our society is more technologically advanced, but today's average citizen is much poorer than the average Joe living in 1950. Taking into account inflation and productivity increases, the minimum wage in the 60s is equal to anywhere from $20 to $26 today. Many Western countries have unemployment stats in the double digits, and we all know the unemployment % is a famously unreliable statistic, with real numbers likely to be quite a bit higher. Youth unemployment is even worse, reaching 15% in Canada (18% in Toronto) and even higher numbers elsewhere (20% in the UK, 21% in the US in 2010). Competition for whatever jobs there are is fierce, with entry-level jobs such as cashier often requiring prior experience, and chances are you'll need two of them to pay the bills. Income inequality is through the roof, "feudalizing" our society. Everyone and their sisters and brothers have college degrees due to the lowering of standards for profit, and they also all have corresponding debt; higher education is often no longer a boon. More general degrees like English are the most affected : in the 1960s you could easily get a managerial job in a factory with any college degree, English included. You could show up, shake the guy's hand and look at him in the eye and say "I went to college and I want a job". Nowadays you're lucky if you can grab a barista job; besides, tons of English grads are competing with you for it.

Compare this to the Western golden years. A man fresh out of high school or college, after having his education completely paid by the Army for his service during WW2, could go ask a factory foreman for a job, and he'd get it. The factory would then train the man to do his job instead of shoving it all on the public education system, which meant that public education could focus on educating well-rounded, balanced individuals and the private sector would specialize them by teaching them the tools needed for their trade. The man would then earn a substantial and fair salary for his work, because a strong, upright union was implemented and negotiated a good salary and a good benefit on behalf of all workers. The union negotiated paid leave, regular and substantial raises and in most cases, a private pension system paid by both the employer and the employees. Once every few years, he would go to his manager and ask for substantial raises, which would be given to him. The man would then meet a woman and they would get married; they would move in together in a house the man bought, just by saving his money for a few years, without needing a bank loan. In fact, the man never saw any use for bank credit. The man could afford buying a brand new car every few years - not shitty Kias and Hyundais, but Made in North America, sturdy, well-built stuff, like Cadillacs - and all the fancy new electronics that made the wife's job much easier. They eventually had children, who had their mother close by during their whole childhood and were, in most cases, well-raised, happy and adjusted children. Then the man retired, cashing his private pension and a public old age pension. He had so much money that he bought a property in the American South and lived there with his wife 6 months out of the year to escape the cold, or maybe he travelled the world. He paid a housekeeper to maintain his house while he was away. Eventually he died, having never known financial hardship, as he occupied a single, stable job all his life. Before he did die he probably wondered why youth today was so lazy - after all, all it takes to get a job that can set you up for life is walking in like you own the place, a firm handshake and a honest request. It worked for him, why not for us?

There's a name for what I described. It's called the American dream. Today, it is just that, a dream. It was denied from us as soon as the Baby boomers, now elevated to high management and CEOs, who benefited so much from it, decided to give away all that made us great and powerful to the Third World to scrounge more money for his retirement, while raising his salary to insane levels compared to skilled workers. Industry is the backbone of a nation as it allows it to transform natural resources into finished goods, which always turn a much greater profit. Today, the American dream is mostly Chinese, but instead of using it to elevate their whole population as we did, they use it for the benefit of a corrupt, aristocratic minority. The CPC higher-ups benefit from our ex-industry, not their workers. Isn't it ironic? A "communist" government is less communist in thought than the Golden Capitalism-era West was. My grandfather lived exactly as a described (but he was a veteran's hospital director after the war - by the way, he didn't even have a college degree, he simply served in the front lines as a medic). My own mother, who had divorced early from an abusive husband, became a secretary and also bought houses, full amount paid in cash and changed cars every few years. Could a secretary today do this? No, no chance.

Here's the truth : there is nothing here, even for those of us who were born in the West. Our economy is in the shitter. We're floating around because we borrow, but as in real life, it's a bad idea to pay a credit card with a bank loan. Our generation will not retire at 60. With a few exceptions, our generation will not have generous private pension schemes to top off the basic old age pension. Maybe we won't even have that public pension. Our generation will not work at the same place for 40 years, will not buy a house without a hefty bank loan (and will probably lose it after missing a payment) and will not buy a new car every few years. We will survive from job to job, day to day, as even highly skilled professions such as the legal ones, where outside of Wall Street law, typical lawyers get paid less and less (entry level lawyer jobs often pay around $40k). Unpaid full-time internships are becoming the norm for young professionals to acquire the skillset needed to practice their profession, calcifying social mobility as people from low-income families cannot afford to work 6 months full-time for absolutely nothing. We will be straddled with all sorts of debt, mortgages, school loans, car loans, personal credit, and most of our income will go to service the money we borrowed to afford the basics of life our ancestors took for granted. Does this sound like El Dorado to you? Does this sound like a society which can afford to take in newcomers?

There's a reason why the younger people are so often virulently against immigration. Immigrants deflate and stagnate wages because they are willing to work for less than we are. That's if our jobs are not sent wholesale to overseas locations where people are willing to work for even less. In certain countries, the right of immigrants to undercut us is actually enshrined into law. In Canada, there is a "Temporary Foreign Worker" program. By law, these temporary foreign workers can be paid less than a Canadian is, even under minimum wage. How the fuck can you compete with that? In 2010 and 2011, 75% of new jobs created went to temporary foreign workers, legally entitled to undercut us. (https://www.biv.com/article/2013/5/foreign-workers-getting-most-of-canadas-new-jobs-s/) The insanity is staggering, as even unskilled positions are filled with these TFWs brought by the hundreds of thousands. You know Tim Hortons, that Canadian staple? It fills its positions with them instead of Canadians. There have been numerous scandals where banks have fired Canadian workers to bring in TFWs in their stead - pushing the insult to having them train their replacements before being shown the door. Why the Hell are we bringing in unskilled labour by the boatload with a ~8% overall unemployment rate and a ~15% youth unemployment rate? You say immigrants stealing our jobs for us is right-wing outlandish propaganda? But it's the truth! There is no reason to admit so many immigrants and TFWs. It's killing native Canadians. Of course, politicians harp on about the labour shortage - the Canadian budget watchdog says it's bullshit (http://www.thestar.com/business/2014/03/25/labour_skills_shortage_in_canada_budget_watchdog_says_no.html).

Further, many of those TFWs brought to fill unskilled service positions are women. What do you think happens? They're not dumb - they'll go out and seek a Canadian male to have a baby with. This way, they can stay permanently, occupying a job they have stolen from Canadians by undercutting them with the support of the government. It's harder for males to do but also possible. Not to mention that jobs given to immigrants stimulate our economy less than jobs given to Canadians because of remittances. Many Third World countries such as the Philippines have made a whole industry of sending their unskilled people abroad so they can send money to their home countries. All that money sent over there is money not spent here.

This does not even end here - even immigrants with money and skills are a detriment to our countries. Chinese immigrants in Canada, who have made their fortune with our exported industries, come into our cities and drive up the prices of housing so much that it becomes impossible for anybody else but the rich to live in our cities. Vancouver today is one of the most expensive places to live in the whole world, all because Chinese nouveaux riches have driven real estate prices to an unsustainable point. Affirmative action towards visible minorities, which in most countries are immigrants, secure them many jobs at the public and private level on the sole basis of their skin colour. Therefore, even skilled immigrants unfairly compete with white people for often lucrative jobs.

There is no economic reason to admit the migrants in Calais. Immigration costs dearly to our disenfranchised youth who are unable to even gain job experience with entry-level positions. The West is no longer the El Dorado these people think it is. Of course, we're hiding that from them. Certainly, with the migrants who have successfully crossed the Chunnel, the British are doing everything they can to hide that from them. They're lodging them in hotels, giving them 3 square hot meals a day and clothes, plus 35 pounds a week (~US$50) as spending money. But what then? These people often come without papers or anything that could prove they have skills. In fact, often they lie about even their age because the British have no way to verify it (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/523691/Migrants-lie-about-their-age-to-get-into-Brit-schools), and get sent to high school even if they're in their 20s. These migrants are even more economically damaging to Britain than legal immigration. They bring them absolutely no benefit.

Immigration is an economic disaster for us. Why then do we admit so many? First, because of the perennial white guilt. We think that we must atone for crimes our ancestors committed by opening the doors and letting nearly anyone who wants to come in, without thinking for one second if their values are compatible with ours or if they even want to make our values their own. To this end, we are endlessly held responsible for things we didn't even do and had no chance to correct. White people are devils, the spawn of Satan himself, and to pay for their evil ways, they must give all they have, their wealth, their very country, their identity, over to foreigners as some sort of twisted reparation. This is why we're not deporting the whole of the Jungle today. We feel some sort of guilt, a guilt that was, by and large, institutionally driven into our heads from the moment we were born.

Second, because of another thing our governments have driven in our heads and imposed on us. This thing is called multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is the promotion, acceptance and support of many cultures inside a single jurisdiction, often understood as to mean that different cultures may keep their ancestral traditions. This is a whole problem in itself as it is a powerful handbrake to the assimilation of newcomers. In Canada and Australia, it is constitutionally enshrined, but even in America, the famed melting pot has largely been replaced by multiculturalism at the local level. One thing that isn't often said about multiculturalism is that it is implied that this means no culture has any special right to their territory or way of life - even the host culture, because every culture is equal to every other culture inside the jurisdiction. We, who have built this land and made it great, are "just another kind of immigrant". You're already seeing a bit of that if you're North American, are you? "We're all immigrants". As if to equivocate the experience of a people who have been here for hundreds and hundreds of years and built this country from the ground up, starting with absolutely nothing, with the waves of immigrants coming to our shores. In the minds of such ideologues, we have no more right to the country our ancestors have built for us than someone who's been here for two weeks.

Stay with me for a second here. Let's assume current immigration levels are kept for a long time. Let's say decades. In most countries which accept high levels of immigration, like Canada, it is predicted that the white majority may become an overall minority in our lifetimes. What happens then? What happens if a country's population is made up of, say 55% of hitherto foreign cultures, and only 45% of the host, white culture? What happens to our institutions? What happens to us? As we are now a minority, why even pay lip service to integration? Wouldn't that result in Balkanization from within, a plethora of ethnic enclaves with all these enclaves not sharing the same values? How is that stable or governable?

In Canada, a fifth of all Canadians are foreign-born. One can already see the effects of this on the one specific issues which ties foreign-born Canadians together : immigration. There is no real anti-immigration party in Canada. Every party wants to either stay the course or actually increase immigration levels. If I said in public everything I wrote here, I would be called horrible names such as "racist" or "xenophobic" and summarily dismissed. Any federal politician campaigning on the basis of even lowered levels of immigration is committing political suicide. A 20% bloc might not seem like a lot, but it is actually a very substantial problem when 20% of all voters would summarily reject you on a single position. Thus, as long as white Canadians do not insist that this be made an issue, we will never have a frank discussion about immigration, and you better believe that powerful interests are doing all they can so the issue is never seriously considered. Europeans, used to radical political positions, a tradition of ethnic and cultural nationalism and with a clear tolerance of dissent and upheaval of the system, by violence if need be, are more successful - thus we see anti-immigration parties gaining steam. In Canada, with a more conciliatory, "nice and polite" political tradition, we're faring much worse. After all, it is neither nice nor polite to suggest foreigners might be a problem in the long-term.

Thing is, in Quebec where I live, my stance is not uncommon. Instead of being called names, many would agree with me. The difference between Anglo- and Franco-Canadians is that we have our own culture, our way of life. Our nationalism is not civic as it is in English Canada, it is ethnocultural as in Europe. We're okay with small amounts of immigrants, as long as they become Quebecers like us, not hyphenated-Quebecers. There are provincial parties which want to limit provincial levels of immigration (we have some control over the issue) and many political commentators are openly pushing the point with support from the population. Even our government, in some respects - a few years ago, the PQ wanted to implement a law where any public display of symbols of faith in public places, such as Muslims veils or Jewish kippas, would be made illegal. Our ethnocultural nationalism is the reason the same people refused to even consider removing the crucifix hanging in our National Assembly (the Parliament). The bill had support among the white Francophone population. For even suggesting this, something considered absolutely normal in France, we were murdered and butchered in the public arena, called racists and xenophobes, and eventually the government fell, replaced by the Liberal Party (spoilers : immigrants all vote Liberal).

We are already feeling the hurt here. The Liberal Party here has a stable, monolithic voting bloc composed of Anglophones and immigrants, a huge voter base the other parties can never draw away from it. This calcifies our institutions as one party is guaranteed massive support because of its support of multiculturalism and immigration (for example, cutting into "francisation" programs, which are supposed to teach French to newcomers), while everyone else has to fight for the white Franco voter base. Francophones in Montreal will become a minority in barely 20 years. (http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/societe/2011/09/09/001-recul-du-francais-ile-de-montreal-2031.shtml) That's mostly thanks to Federal propaganda implying it is perfectly acceptable and possible to come live in Quebec without speaking French. This is the equivalent of Paris becoming a minority Francophone city - for fuck's sake, Quebec's sole official language is French! Take a stroll through many areas of Montreal and you'll be lucky to even receive service in shops in French. I've repeatedly had to mine my order in fast food restaurants because nobody spoke a single word of French. There's the OQLF we can complain to for the moment, but keep it up and there will be no more OQLF (you know, the "language police", the thing endlessly lambasted by right-thinking Anglos). In Quebec City, the capital with a heavy 97% white Francophone majority, immigrants are heard complaining that the city is "too Francophone" and "too white". I don't know, is Beijing too Chinese? Anglophones aren't feeling the heat yet because almost everyone speaks a few words of English. But as immigration levels increase and the white Anglo population loses its assimilation capability, the same will happen to them. Trust me, it's no fun being unable to communicate with people you have graciously hosted in your own country, because they do not have the single common courtesy to learn your language. For a linguistic minority entrenched in a particular area such as Quebec, it's equal to denying our existence, spitting in our face, smearing shit all over the very basis of who we are. The UK recently passed a law mandating that public service providers should speak English. How is this even a law? Shouldn't it be natural fucking common sense?

Government is for the people, by the people. As long as a majority of voters share the same values, this is no problem. But what happens when they don't? What happens when the people with Canadian values become a minority within Canada? What reason will newcomers have to adopt these values? Why would they be judged by our laws, for example? We're already seeing shari'a courts become a thing in some Western countries. We'll lose the power to even decide what these values are, in our own ancestral lands. There will be no more common Canadian values, nothing to bind us together.

This is the true danger of rampant, free for all immigration, and this is why the Calais migrants should be not only denied access to the UK, but summarily deported. Every argument against immigration applies here, and what's more, should we tolerate them and allow them in, you can bet a bunch more will immediately try their luck. If illegal immigration is tolerated, what's the use of legal immigration systems? Why have a limit, a quota? With quotas at least we can select those we have uses for; these people will be unskilled migrants with no hope of assimilation who will drain resources from our youth, who are already embattled within their own countries.

[phuckphace]

BACK IN MY DAY, I WALKED INTO THE FACTORY, SHOOK HANDS WITH THE BOSS, STARTED WORKING THE NEXT DAY AND BOUGHT A HOUSE, CAR & BOAT WITH MY FIRST PAYCHECK

--- Every single old person ever

you can imagine how relieved I was when I learned that college is a racket and I shouldn't feel bad for not planning to go.

[tonymontana99]

tonymontana99

note that I didn't say altruism was bad, I said pathological (misplaced) altruism. it's a normal, healthy trait to be altruistic to a point. it becomes pathological when it is put in the service of ideology over country.

genocide is truly heinous and I have to wonder what sort of demented logic makes this justifiable to you in any way. you're also mixing up symptoms and diseases. MC is a symptom of larger systemic problems, namely globalized, high-tech laissez-faire capitalism and the complexity that it added to the social order. if you want to eliminate the symptoms, treat the disease instead (which, by the way, doesn't involve murdering billions of people.)

the world itself has always been multicultural, as a patchwork of ethnically/culturally homogeneous nation-states. when allowed to freely associate with anyone of their own choosing, people have always gravitated toward their own groups and preferred to keep to themselves. MC is a novel arrangement that came about due to the conditions imposed by globalized capitalism. remove the malign influence of the latter, and the former will then fade away into obscurity.

you lost me there at the end by breaking out into Neil DeGrasse Tyson style pontificating about flying cars and the cosmos or whatever. both you and Tyson seem to share the view that, we'd already have flying cars and sex robots if it weren't for those damn [insert villain here]. as it turns out, we don't actually need any of that shit, nor do we have any business even entertaining the thought given our priorities here on Earth. stargazing seems to be a preoccupation amongst a certain type who venerate technology as a panacea while ignoring its complexities and the effect it might have on our society.

You lost me at "we don't actually need any of that shit" and "remove the malign influence of [capitalism]". I am disappoint.

[Human]

Im in the UK , London. I really think we can't take anymore people. I've seen the changes happen I don't like walking down the road and not understanding what people are saying and having to change the way I act to please others

This, it sounds kind of racist or intolerant if you haven't lived here, but it's honestly possible to see the changes. People should at least adapt to our culture if they come here, but they segregate themselves.

[phuckphace]

You lost me at "we don't actually need any of that shit" and "remove the malign influence of [capitalism]". I am disappoint.

http://i.imgur.com/Ci6vdDb.png

please, tell us more about our pressing obligation to genocide foreigners so the free market can finally bring us flying cars and automated orbital dildo factories at some point in the distant future

[Harry Smith]

This, it sounds kind of racist or intolerant if you haven't lived here, but it's honestly possible to see the changes. People should at least adapt to our culture if they come here, but they segregate themselves.

Britain, as a nation is in absolutely no position to tell immigrants that they should adapt to our culture when we absolutely refuse to do the same. The amount of English people who live in spain, watching sky sports and refusing to speak spanish is pretty high.

Likewise our history of colonialism means we're hardly in any position to call people out for talking polish with their mates. I know this is a bleeding heart liberal position but the anti-immigrant feelings in Britain are really over hyped. As long as immigrants buy into the basic foundations of British society like equality and democracy then it should be fine in the long run

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03252/British_culture_on_3252187b.jpg


The UK has A lot Of People That wont Let This Once Great County Be Taken over. I would rather die taking drastic actions than sit back

You'll join many other infamous far right terrorists in this battle then. I don't know why you'd want to die just to stop a refugee getting a flat in London. The 'Greatness' of this country was build on immigration and movement. This country was taken over by the Normans in 1066, and then by the Dutch in 1688-you've missed the boat.


Im in the UK , London. I really think we can't take anymore people. I've seen the changes happen I don't like walking down the road and not understanding what people are saying and having to change the way I act to please others

I disagree-we've only got housing or buildings (Not sure which one) on something like 2% of our land. What changes? If you're referring to 'seeing' changes then I really don't know what's wrong with seeing more non-white people in london because again it's economic and cultural strength is based on immigration. There's always been this doomsday argument about population size-in the 1800's Malthus was claiming that we were all going to die if population increases.

Sure, in an ideal world everyone would speak English but that's not going to happen in the same way that not everyone in Spain is going to speak spanish. We live in a western, globalized nation and it's impossible to go back to this English speaking immigrant free london you imagine without massive social, economic and political changes

Adolf Hitler, was humanity's last hope to prevent this type of downfall.

No, Just no.

. They don't want to work, they want benefits and privileges. And they want us to pay for them.

No, they'll most likely contribute to them the moment they come over here and buy something because of Value Added Tax. The idea that immigrants take out more than they put in has been debunked several times, and the socialist in me says if we can spend £100 billion renewing our nuclear weapons then surely we can build some more houses, schools and hospitals that would benefit the current population


I don't understand how most people are okay with their country's culture and heritage being ransacked, as long as they bring them their exotic cuisine and degenerate culture.

What culture? Someone looking at me 50 years ago would be shocked to see that my British culture is based on binge drinking and poor TV programs. Literally our culture is just based on various forms of consumerism and I'm fine with that. I'm already a degenerative according to like 30% of the world so it's fine

Big business will profit for a while. A fresh batch of workers willing to work for peanuts, but it will hurt the economy in the long run. It'll steal jobs, alienate people and ultimately slow technological and scientific progress.

The increase the minimum wage, increase tax credits and give workers security. You can't attack immigrants for working in low paid work, and then attack them for securing welfare.

Again, from an economic argument... higher tax returns=Better investment in future industries, creating jobs etc

I wouldn't mind immigrants if they actually brought useful knowledge and skills to the countries they immigrate to and behaved in a civilized fashion. But, unfortunately, the majority doesn't. They will destroy civilization.

The socialist National Health Service in this country is based on immigration, and without it they'd be a massive shortfall for the next 10-20 years at least.

It hurts knowing that everything our ancestors fought for will be completely wiped out in the next decades, and our way of thinking that multiculturalism is wrong will seem as primitive as believing the Sun rotated around the Earth.

I think my ancestors probably fought and died trying to fight the British in Ireland.

I'm so sorry for you and your once great nation. You guys will be the first western nation to fall to multiculturalism. I hope everyone else looks at the UK as an example on how efforts for humanitarian causes and to "bring everyone closer" backfire in a dangerous way.

In all fairness we already 'fell' to multiculturalism, it's really not that bad

50 years from now there'll be Sharia law in there, you wait and see.

Yeah, Islamic Republic of London right? If Britain managed to survive turning red in the 1970's then I think a couple of hate preachers will be easy enough for MI5 to deal with


Also, is it true that the police is confiscating knifes and childrens toys considered to be weapons? I see pictures of tweets from law enforcement documenting the find of everyday household items, childrens toys and even blunt objects, and confiscating them, and also frisking and fining people who don't own "licences" to own them.

Yes, it's illegal to carry knives around on the street, and yes you need to have a license to own a firearm. It's a dangerous machine just like a car. VT always need to have a resident bleeding heart liberal, and it's good that the Neo-Nazis are still here.

[DriveAlive]

I always considered myself very pro-immigration and still sort of do, but recently I have changed a little. I was touring a college that had a 37% white population and 26% asian population. This was a a school in Texas. There was less than 5% black and less than 3% hispanic...in Texas. This isn't how I imagined colleges to be going, escpecially in the south. Not to mention, none of the Chinese people on the tour spoke any English. What kind of college experience or education can you have when 26% of the population doesn't speak English. Its not just Americans that aren't crazy about this. I was talking to some of my asian friends (none of them are Chinese) and they all say that they hate the Chinese because of how rude and invasive the Chinese are into other asian countries. If the GOP candidates weren't all so terribly racist against hispanics and completely wacko religious, I might look at voting republican. I know its terrible to say, but I think someone needs to work against China.

[Plane And Simple]

This is turning into a debate, so:

VTDC :arrow2: ROTW

:)

[Sir Suomi]

Multiculturalism is gross. Most homogeneous societies tend to work better together than a mixed society. It's also sad to see people in Sweden saying that Ramadan is a Swedish tradition. Swedish tradition is killing monks, burning villages, and overall just being an Alpha heathen.

I'm just glad good ol' Suomi is still keeping away the tide of refugees.

Also holy shit Harry is that you?

[Zenos]

the far-right likes to get up in arms about race-mixing but in reality it's one of our least concerns, mainly because it's not actually as common as the telescreen would have you believe. normal people tend to prefer marrying within their own race, as they always have (which is how we ended up with distinct races to begin with). we all know millennials with a racial fetish, like those anime nerds who lust for Asian chicks, or Frauen who lust for wealthy black rappers because the telescreen says it's cool and I'm like, so not racist! but they're a small percent of the total and losers anyway.

I'd say the interracial business we do need to worry about is the non-consensual kind. Sweden has imported thousands and thousands of Somalians who showed up and immediately began doing the jobs the natives wouldn't do, by which I mean rape. and yep, if you point out the issues with this arrangement, you're metaphorically Hitler. repeat ad nauseam everywhere that MC is being tried.


Sounds like America is not the only one sinking in the quagmire

[tonymontana99]

image (http://i.imgur.com/Ci6vdDb.png)

please, tell us more about our pressing obligation to genocide foreigners so the free market can finally bring us flying cars and automated orbital dildo factories at some point in the distant future

www.futuretimeline.org Start reading from 2020. The things that could be and the things that never will.... Also, didn't you say that we should bomb the ships they're coming in from? Why do you think the EU is so hellbent on getting jungle fever in there? Do you think they are genuinely trying to help or is this some sort of preparation for the NWO? *hand-rubbing intensifies* Good goy

[Human]

Britain, as a nation is in absolutely no position to tell immigrants that they should adapt to our culture when we absolutely refuse to do the same. The amount of English people who live in spain, watching sky sports and refusing to speak spanish is pretty high.

Likewise our history of colonialism means we're hardly in any position to call people out for talking polish with their mates. I know this is a bleeding heart liberal position but the anti-immigrant feelings in Britain are really over hyped. As long as immigrants buy into the basic foundations of British society like equality and democracy then it should be fine in the long run

image (http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03252/British_culture_on_3252187b.jpg)




You'll join many other infamous far right terrorists in this battle then. I don't know why you'd want to die just to stop a refugee getting a flat in London. The 'Greatness' of this country was build on immigration and movement. This country was taken over by the Normans in 1066, and then by the Dutch in 1688-you've missed the boat.




I disagree-we've only got housing or buildings (Not sure which one) on something like 2% of our land. What changes? If you're referring to 'seeing' changes then I really don't know what's wrong with seeing more non-white people in london because again it's economic and cultural strength is based on immigration. There's always been this doomsday argument about population size-in the 1800's Malthus was claiming that we were all going to die if population increases.

Sure, in an ideal world everyone would speak English but that's not going to happen in the same way that not everyone in Spain is going to speak spanish. We live in a western, globalized nation and it's impossible to go back to this English speaking immigrant free london you imagine without massive social, economic and political changes



No, Just no.



No, they'll most likely contribute to them the moment they come over here and buy something because of Value Added Tax. The idea that immigrants take out more than they put in has been debunked several times, and the socialist in me says if we can spend £100 billion renewing our nuclear weapons then surely we can build some more houses, schools and hospitals that would benefit the current population




What culture? Someone looking at me 50 years ago would be shocked to see that my British culture is based on binge drinking and poor TV programs. Literally our culture is just based on various forms of consumerism and I'm fine with that. I'm already a degenerative according to like 30% of the world so it's fine



The increase the minimum wage, increase tax credits and give workers security. You can't attack immigrants for working in low paid work, and then attack them for securing welfare.

Again, from an economic argument... higher tax returns=Better investment in future industries, creating jobs etc



The socialist National Health Service in this country is based on immigration, and without it they'd be a massive shortfall for the next 10-20 years at least.



I think my ancestors probably fought and died trying to fight the British in Ireland.



In all fairness we already 'fell' to multiculturalism, it's really not that bad



Yeah, Islamic Republic of London right? If Britain managed to survive turning red in the 1970's then I think a couple of hate preachers will be easy enough for MI5 to deal with




Yes, it's illegal to carry knives around on the street, and yes you need to have a license to own a firearm. It's a dangerous machine just like a car. VT always need to have a resident bleeding heart liberal, and it's good that the Neo-Nazis are still here.

It's not my fault other British people who go to other countries refuse to integrate, two wrongs don't make a right. Oh, and from personal experience whenever I've tried speaking the language of a country I've visited I've been met with 'We can speak English you know'. In Spain, and other countries like France I've visited.
Along with that point, usually the Brits moving to places like Spain are middle aged or retired and bring cash to spend, they usually work in Spain and the money stays there or they just spend their retirement money there, unlike the immigrants people don't want in England who are using the system and not contributing back. I have no problem with Polish people coming to be dentists, or Pakistani people coming over to be doctors.

[phuckphace]

they pay VAT guys, therefore demographic displacement is totally fine. nothing to see here

[Porpoise101]

Eh I don't really care too much because I'm not European but I will give you my American perspective. I think it will be fine if you assimilate them. By doing that they should become more inclined to the European way of life. Get rid of the slums where they congregate and destroy the "islands" because they won't assimilate if they are together. Lastly, give them hope that they can get themselves out of poverty so they can aspire and work their way to becoming French, English, or any other nationality. This has worked in the US with Italian, Lebanese, Syrian, and Albanian immigrants where I live. This will mostly be a "first-generation" issue because it will dissipate in time. The only way the problem will continue is if immigration does not stop from a country, as is the case with the US and Mexico. Also if you keep immigrants as second class citizens like you have in France, they won't assimilate.

As for boats I think they should set up a checkpoint like how the US had in Ellis island and Angel island. That way educated ones can get in and sick harmful ones stay out. Additionally, refugees should be spaced out across the country so the local community won't have such a burden when trying to integrate them.

That is just my opinion so go hate me now lol

[Stronk Serb]

Eh I don't really care too much because I'm not European but I will give you my American perspective. I think it will be fine if you assimilate them. By doing that they should become more inclined to the European way of life. Get rid of the slums where they congregate and destroy the "islands" because they won't assimilate if they are together. Lastly, give them hope that they can get themselves out of poverty so they can aspire and work their way to becoming French, English, or any other nationality. This has worked in the US with Italian, Lebanese, Syrian, and Albanian immigrants where I live. This will mostly be a "first-generation" issue because it will dissipate in time. The only way the problem will continue is if immigration does not stop from a country, as is the case with the US and Mexico. Also if you keep immigrants as second class citizens like you have in France, they won't assimilate.

As for boats I think they should set up a checkpoint like how the US had in Ellis island and Angel island. That way educated ones can get in and sick harmful ones stay out. Additionally, refugees should be spaced out across the country so the local community won't have such a burden when trying to integrate them.

That is just my opinion so go hate me now lol

First generation immigrants usually integrate, they know from what shithole they were fleeing, The third and fourth generations are critical. I mean there are cases of segregated first generationers, but they at least try to be a working member of society.

[Porpoise101]

Oh see I think it is the second generation that integrates faster because if they go to school with other communities they will choose to be of the main culture. In a town near me there are lots of immigrants from Japan, China, and India. The parents all stick to their own community but they make sure to teach them the native tongue and culture. In school and in social life these kids all mix together and act 'American.' The second generation is also more likely to intermarry so they also don't pass their culture down.

[Vlerchan]

What are your thoughts on the multiculturalism/refugee crisis that's taking over Europe?
Camps, are a short-term solution.

Sharing the immigrants across the space of Europe on short-term visas, with reference to unemployment rates and so on, is the medium term to solution. Letting them get visas begins the process of tracking them for:

Forming a buffer zone amongst North African states is the long-term solution, this will entail the reconstruction of their political-economies, and then exchanging aid and so on for promises to reintegrate afro-magrebi peoples back into their societies.

[...] Europe's culture [...]
No, minorities just don't do this, at all.

Mass immigration into Western countries and cultural-political sphere more-so results in the disintegration of the minorities culture.

[..] further diluting the continent's homogeneous demographics [..]
Interesting, you sound like a pan-Europeanist.

I also more or less agree here but then it's not as harmful in the political economy I envision.

ultimately advancing the downfall of civilization.
Lol, no.

[..] soon take away their jobs [..]
There's little to zero empirical evidence supporting this claim.

Because demand and supply, etc.

have offspring with their women
Y- you mean.. They have sex, just like white people?!

[..] probably make crime rates sky-rocket [..]
As far as I'm aware, the crime rate of immigrants is the same as nationals, at least in England.

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There might be an argument that peoples of the Arab descent - cultural Islamics - have a higher propensity towards sex crimes but I'm waiting for an analysis a bit more intensive than page 3 of the Daily Mail before I start endorsing action against this.

[..] contributing to the creation of more far-right movements, racial and ethical discrimination [..]
Doing what the Far-Right wants seems a counter-productive means of combating the Far-Right.

[..] and the allocation of precious resources and tax money to help those who had no right to be there in the first place.
You'll need to expand.

Do you think it is okay to sacrifice a country's culture, history and heritage in favour of helping people who, unfortunately, lived in harsh conditions, but will ultimately spread the bad things that come with them to civilized nations?
Implying that North Africans are 'uncivilised' really undermines the attempt at political correctness here.

It's also not.

What's more alarming is that "the EU is deliberately bringing in as much immigration into Europe as possible in an effort to 'divide and conquer' the original inhabitants of Europe".
That's an interesting argument. Can you link to the full source? Thank you.

These people will not come to our countries to work - let's face it - they're coming because of desperation. They don't want to work, they want benefits and privileges. And they want us to pay for them.
Instead of refuting this I'm just going to ask for sources. It saves time.

I don't understand how most people are okay with their country's culture and heritage being ransacked, as long as they bring them their exotic cuisine and degenerate culture.
Irish culture hasn't suffered because we have Poles and Muslims, it hasn't changed at all.

Big business will profit for a while. A fresh batch of workers willing to work for peanuts, but it will hurt the economy in the long run . It'll steal jobs , alienate people and ultimately slow technological and scientific progress . And you know what the worst part is? The man we were all taught to despise, Adolf Hitler, was humanity's last hope to prevent this type of downfall [Lol].
I appreciate sources for the claims I put the beside.

I wouldn't mind immigrants if they actually brought useful knowledge and skills to the countries they immigrate to and behaved in a civilized fashion. But, unfortunately, the majority doesn't.
It's really interesting that you call yourself a capitalist but don't seem to think like them at all. Just because immigrants might not always bring specialised or unique knowledge doesn't make their knowledge useless, otherwise their wouldn't be economic demand for their services.

I'm also not sure what 'civilised' means here.

Genocide, unfortunately, would be the only solution. Sheltering these people, feeding them, giving them jobs and having to adapt our ways and bow to them won't solve the problem. Back when we didn't have technology or science, back in the cavemen era, only the strong would survive. The weak would be killed, either by Nature or animals. These days, unless there's a natural disaster, no one is threatened by Nature. And no one is threatened by other species, because we ARE the ultimate specie. So, if Nature can't do the job, someone has to. We do. We owe it to our ancestors and we owe it to our children to make sure we eliminate the weak and steer in the right path.
Ignoring phuckphace's sense on the matter, have you ever heard of the term 'economic compliment'?

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At all three of these steps, people smugglers might have been involved. Crossing to Italy from Libya alone is between $4,000 to $8,000.
Police in Italy believe traffickers made some $3m (£1.9m; €2.5m) from the Ezadeen, with each traveller paying between $4,000 and $8,000 to board the ship.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30715001
Jean's wording is quite misleading here. In the article a single ship is specified.

Edit I mis-quoted:

A 2013 report for the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), by Altai consulting, estimates that the cost of getting to Libya varies from about $200 to $1,000 from west Africa, and from about $1,000 to $6,000 from the Horn of Africa. Subsequent transit by sea runs from a few hundred dollars to a couple of thousand. At the coast passengers are either loaded onto rigid inflatable boats with limited fuel and no captain or guide to help them or are herded onto rickety fishing boats which do have a skipper and crew.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/05/economist-explains-6
:)

Truth is, most Westerners probably couldn't afford it. I know I couldn't.
Even if we pretend that your estimate is accurate most Westerners have lots of assets.

They're not desperately poor.
But we can agree these people are desperate regardless, even if it isn't because they're poor.

Though, they are poor.

The Western world has never been so accepting of Third World immigration.
As current European legislation stands it's quite difficult to get a work Visa in the EU from North Africa.

Like, as far as I'm aware, only high-skilled immigrants have a chance through the blue card programme.

Nowadays, Canada accepts 250,000 new migrants per year, very few of whom are white.
Even if we pretend that's a massive problem, most of the non-Whites are Asians.

Whites also do make up a significant enough number, >15% or so.

I don't know if you have noticed, but the Western golden age is over [...] Does this sound like a society which can afford to take in newcomers?
Since newcomers tend to contribute more economically than take out, because of their demographic profile, yes.

We use a macro-econometric forecasting model to simulate the impact on the Canadian economy of a hypothetical increase in immigration. Our simulations generally yield positive impacts on such factors as real GDP and GDP per capita, aggregate demand, investment, productivity, and government expenditures, taxes and especially net government balances, with essentially no impact on unemployment. This is generally buttressed by conclusions reached in the existing literature. Our analysis suggests that concern should be with respect to immigrants themselves as they are having an increasingly difficult time assimilating into the Canadian labour market, and new immigrants are increasingly falling into poverty.

Dungan, Fang and Gunderson (2012) (http://ftp.iza.org/dp6743.pdf)

This is Canada, I can source other countries on request.

Immigrants deflate and stagnate wages because they are willing to work for less than we are.
I know you want to believe this, but it just doesn't.

Immigrants contribute towards demand for goods and services, and that increased labour demand in-turn.

That's if our jobs are not sent wholesale to overseas locations where people are willing to work for even less.
Protectionism costs consumers hundreds if not thousands and tends to kill more jobs than it saves.

I can source on request.

In certain countries, the right of immigrants to undercut us is actually enshrined into law. In Canada, there is a "Temporary Foreign Worker" program. By law, these temporary foreign workers can be paid less than a Canadian is, even under minimum wage. How the fuck can you compete with that? In 2010 and 2011, 75% of new jobs created went to temporary foreign workers, legally entitled to undercut us. The insanity is staggering, as even unskilled positions are filled with these TFWs brought by the hundreds of thousands. You know Tim Hortons, that Canadian staple? It fills its positions with them instead of Canadians. There have been numerous scandals where banks have fired Canadian workers to bring in TFWs in their stead - pushing the insult to having them train their replacements before being shown the door. Why the Hell are we bringing in unskilled labour by the boatload with a ~8% overall unemployment rate and a ~15% youth unemployment rate? You say immigrants stealing our jobs for us is right-wing outlandish propaganda? But it's the truth! There is no reason to admit so many immigrants and TFWs. It's killing native Canadians. Of course, politicians harp on about the labour shortage - the Canadian budget watchdog says it's bullshit.
I went searching for the legislation, but I gave up after a few minutes because I just not familiar with Canadian law at all.

Would you mind sourcing the key pieces of legislation and case law on the issue for me? Thanks.

This way, they can stay permanently, occupying a job they have stolen from Canadians by undercutting them with the support of the government.
I presume that once these people gain permanent residence the privileges acquired through not being permanent residents are abandoned.

In such a case, these woman could only keep their jobs if they were better workers.

Not to mention that jobs given to immigrants stimulate our economy less than jobs given to Canadians because of remittances. Many Third World countries such as the Philippines have made a whole industry of sending their unskilled people abroad so they can send money to their home countries. All that money sent over there is money not spent here.

Filipino sends hard earned Canadian dollars back to relatives in Philippines. Relatives cannot use Canadian dollars to purchase goods in Philippines and must purchase use them to purchase Pesos. Purchases pesos from individual who wants Canadian dollars to invest back into Canada which accepts the Canadian dollars.

Because the current and capital account must always be equal. Econ 101.

Chinese immigrants in Canada, who have made their fortune with our exported industries, come into our cities and drive up the prices of housing so much that it becomes impossible for anybody else but the rich to live in our cities.
If people really cared about this then the vast amounts of cash these people generate would be invested into subsidies and social housing.

These migrants are even more economically damaging to Britain than legal immigration.
Outside of weird US Libertarian cliques, no-one wants illegal immigration.

What happens if a country's population is made up of, say 55% of hitherto foreign cultures, and only 45% of the host, white culture? What happens to our institutions? What happens to us? As we are now a minority, why even pay lip service to integration? Wouldn't that result in Balkanization from within, a plethora of ethnic enclaves with all these enclaves not sharing the same values? How is that stable or governable?
Well, first, Capitalism ensures that we all end up with the same core values, liberal-capitalist values. This doesn't become dangerous unless you and phuckphace manage to (re-)nationalise the economic sphere. On a level intended more towards cultural politics it does involve a radical re-manoeuvring of political relations. In that case I would imagine we would either see a movement towards a polycentric legal order or the adoption of a more libertarian legal standard.

I tend more towards the former.

For a linguistic minority entrenched in a particular area such as Quebec, it's equal to denying our existence, spitting in our face, smearing shit all over the very basis of who we are.
I do more or less agree with this you'll be happy to know.

But perhaps that's because I'm Irish.


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[..] as they always have (which is how we ended up with distinct races to begin with).
I don't think races came about as a result of people preferring to mate with their own race. It more has to do with geographical and linguistic considerations I think.

But perhaps I'm wrong. I'm just guessing.

MC is a symptom of larger systemic problems, namely globalized, high-tech laissez-faire capitalism and the complexity that it added to the social order.
This is also completely correct and adding to what phuckphace didn't explicitly include.

MC exists because whilst economic necessities result in immigrants integrating to a certain extent, none of them are keen on losing their culture as a whole, so economic realities on the side of the producers necessitates that a cult of MC is created.

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I'll also do that Transgender post at some stage. Identity politics just sort of bores me to hell.

[tonymontana99]

Camps, are a short-term solution.

Sharing the immigrants across the space of Europe on short-term visas, with reference to unemployment rates and so on, is the medium term to solution. Letting them get visas begins the process of tracking them for:

Forming a buffer zone amongst North African states is the long-term solution, this will entail the reconstruction of their political-economies, and then exchanging aid and so on for promises to reintegrate afro-magrebi peoples back into their societies.


No, minorities just don't do this, at all.

Mass immigration into Western countries and cultural-political sphere more-so results in the disintegration of the minorities culture.


Interesting, you sound like a pan-Europeanist.

I also more or less agree here but then it's not as harmful in the political economy I envision.


Lol, no.


There's little to zero empirical evidence supporting this claim.

Because demand and supply, etc.


Y- you mean.. They have sex, just like white people?!


As far as I'm aware, the crime rate of immigrants is the same as nationals, at least in England.

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There might be an argument that peoples of the Arab descent - cultural Islamics - have a higher propensity towards sex crimes but I'm waiting for an analysis a bit more intensive than page 3 of the Daily Mail before I start endorsing action against this.


Doing what the Far-Right wants seems a counter-productive means of combating the Far-Right.


You'll need to expand.


Implying that North Africans are 'uncivilised' really undermines the attempt at political correctness here.

It's also not.


That's an interesting argument. Can you link to the full source? Thank you.


Instead of refuting this I'm just going to ask for sources. It saves time.


Irish culture hasn't suffered because we have Poles and Muslims, it hasn't changed at all.


I appreciate sources for the claims I put the beside.


It's really interesting that you call yourself a capitalist but don't seem to think like them at all. Just because immigrants might not always bring specialised or unique knowledge doesn't make their knowledge useless, otherwise their wouldn't be economic demand for their services.

I'm also not sure what 'civilised' means here.


Ignoring phuckphace's sense on the matter, have you ever heard of the term 'economic compliment'?

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Police in Italy believe traffickers made some $3m (£1.9m; €2.5m) from the Ezadeen, with each traveller paying between $4,000 and $8,000 to board the ship.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30715001
Jean's wording is quite misleading here. In the article a single ship is specified.

Edit I mis-quoted:

A 2013 report for the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), by Altai consulting, estimates that the cost of getting to Libya varies from about $200 to $1,000 from west Africa, and from about $1,000 to $6,000 from the Horn of Africa. Subsequent transit by sea runs from a few hundred dollars to a couple of thousand. At the coast passengers are either loaded onto rigid inflatable boats with limited fuel and no captain or guide to help them or are herded onto rickety fishing boats which do have a skipper and crew.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/05/economist-explains-6
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Even if we pretend that your estimate is accurate most Westerners have lots of assets.


But we can agree these people are desperate regardless, even if it isn't because they're poor.

Though, they are poor.


As current European legislation stands it's quite difficult to get a work Visa in the EU from North Africa.

Like, as far as I'm aware, only high-skilled immigrants have a chance through the blue card programme.


Even if we pretend that's a massive problem, most of the non-Whites are Asians.

Whites also do make up a significant enough number, >15% or so.


Since newcomers tend to contribute more economically than take out, because of their demographic profile, yes.

We use a macro-econometric forecasting model to simulate the impact on the Canadian economy of a hypothetical increase in immigration. Our simulations generally yield positive impacts on such factors as real GDP and GDP per capita, aggregate demand, investment, productivity, and government expenditures, taxes and especially net government balances, with essentially no impact on unemployment. This is generally buttressed by conclusions reached in the existing literature. Our analysis suggests that concern should be with respect to immigrants themselves as they are having an increasingly difficult time assimilating into the Canadian labour market, and new immigrants are increasingly falling into poverty.

Dungan, Fang and Gunderson (2012) (http://ftp.iza.org/dp6743.pdf)

This is Canada, I can source other countries on request.


I know you want to believe this, but it just doesn't.

Immigrants contribute towards demand for goods and services, and that increased labour demand in-turn.


Protectionism costs consumers hundreds if not thousands and tends to kill more jobs than it saves.

I can source on request.


I went searching for the legislation, but I gave up after a few minutes because I just not familiar with Canadian law at all.

Would you mind sourcing the key pieces of legislation and case law on the issue for me? Thanks.


I presume that once these people gain permanent residence the privileges acquired through not being permanent residents are abandoned.

In such a case, these woman could only keep their jobs if they were better workers.



Filipino sends hard earned Canadian dollars back to relatives in Philippines. Relatives cannot use Canadian dollars to purchase goods in Philippines and must purchase use them to purchase Pesos. Purchases pesos from individual who wants Canadian dollars to invest back into Canada which accepts the Canadian dollars.

Because the current and capital account must always be equal. Econ 101.


If people really cared about this then the vast amounts of cash these people generate would be invested into subsidies and social housing.


Outside of weird US Libertarian cliques, no-one wants illegal immigration.


Well, first, Capitalism ensures that we all end up with the same core values, liberal-capitalist values. This doesn't become dangerous unless you and phuckphace manage to (re-)nationalise the economic sphere. On a level intended more towards cultural politics it does involve a radical re-manoeuvring of political relations. In that case I would imagine we would either see a movement towards a polycentric legal order or the adoption of a more libertarian legal standard.

I tend more towards the former.


I do more or less agree with this you'll be happy to know.

But perhaps that's because I'm Irish.


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I don't think races came about as a result of people preferring to mate with their own race. It more has to do with geographical and linguistic considerations I think.

But perhaps I'm wrong. I'm just guessing.


This is also completely correct and adding to what phuckphace didn't explicitly include.

MC exists because whilst economic necessities result in immigrants integrating to a certain extent, none of them are keen on losing their culture as a whole, so economic realities on the side of the producers necessitates that a cult of MC is created.

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I'll also do that Transgender post at some stage. Identity politics just sort of bores me to hell.


Lol, that's the end of this thread

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I don't see how they'd create far right movements since the far right is the side generaly opposed to letting immigrants in.
Also the overused arguments of muh culture muh jobs.
If anything an influx of immigrants usualy proves to be beneficial to the economy especialy in socialist countries.
You see, what happens in a country where you pay for the guarantee of having the state take care of the sick and elderly, is that your taxes rise as the amount of old people increases.
Since people in these countries aren't creating enough children to couteract this it's actualy a neccesity to have new immigrants in order to support this welfare system.