Jerusalem Gay Pride Parade Stabbing Victim Dies

[Gwen]

A 16-year old teen in who was stabbed during the Jerusalem Gay Pride Parade has died to her wounds. A radical who went on a stabbing spree during the last gay pride parade 10 years ago strikes again and attacks 6 people during the parade. My thoughts are out to her family and all the participants who were injured.
Link (http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/1.669161)

[Meh Guy]

I can't even go there.

Some places/people will never change

[dxcxdzv]

Israel is a very funny country.

[Judean Zealot]

Israel is a very funny country.

In what sense? :P

[Magus]

In what sense? :P

Their general populace are outraged by a Public Stabbing, but rally against their president for speaking against the Arsonist who killed a baby in its crib.

[Judean Zealot]

Their general populace are outraged by a Public Stabbing, but rally against their president for speaking against the Arsonist who killed a baby in its crib.

You're aware that the 'general populace' is enraged at the arsonist as well, right?

The people who are 'rallying against' the PM are rather marginal (just as there are marginal groups that are ambivalent about the stabbing).

[Magus]

You're aware that the 'general populace' is enraged at the arsonist as well, right?

I don't think so. General populace are happy at both of the incidents.

[Judean Zealot]

I don't think so. General populace are happy at both of the incidents.

Do you live here? Or do you just read a crappy article on the BBC and think that gives you a proper understanding of public opinion?

[Magus]

Do you live here? Or do you just read a crappy article on the BBC and think that gives you a proper understanding of public opinion?

I read a crappy BBC article. They are a legitimate news source after all. I don't need to go to America and live there to know they love guns.

[Judean Zealot]

I read a crappy BBC article. They are a legitimate news source after all. I don't need to go to America and live there to know they love guns.

Well, actually, I've lived in America for four years. That is another rather crude caricature of American public opinion. I think you've unwittingly proved my point.

News agencies report only what they consider 'newsworthy'. Generally, the result of this selective cognizance is that a loud minority seize the headlines while the brunt of the people are ignored or hand waved away. Ultimately, no news anchor is a trustworthy gauge of another countries complexities of public opinion.

[Magus]

Well, actually, I've lived in America for four years. That is another rather crude caricature of American public opinion. I think you've unwittingly proved my point.

Oh, shucks! But I know that they like Pies! I am pretty sure of that!


News agencies report only what they consider 'newsworthy'. Generally, the result of this selective cognizance is that a loud minority seize the headlines while the brunt of the people are ignored or hand waved away. Ultimately, no news anchor is a trustworthy gauge of another countries complexities of public opinion.

That is a very interesting. So no news source are capable of delivering accurate account of a certain country's of public opinion? Well, that is terrible.

I was looking for that Russell Peter video joke on that particular case, but there is no clip for that on youtube.

[Judean Zealot]

That is a very interesting. So no news source are capable of delivering accurate account of a certain country's of public opinion? Well, that is terrible.

They are capable, they just don't care to do it. And I don't see what's so terrible about that. Every one who thinks about it realizes it's just one of those things- sensationalism= profits> something silly like giving your readers accurate appraisals of what's going on.

The average reader wouldn't want it much either- the news would be pretty dull.

[Magus]

And I don't see what's so terrible about that.

Well, people will look at Israel as a trigger-happy nation, who don't mind stabbing girls at a parade and burning arab babies in their sleep, for starters.

Well, that is a really good news material after all.

[Judean Zealot]

Well, people will look at Israel as a trigger-happy nation, who don't mind stabbing girls at a parade and burning arab babies in their sleep, for starters.

Well, that is a really good news material after all.

All I mean is that this is nothing new and has been an unfortunate trait of newspapers ever since their creation.

And yes, many people want to read that about Israel. For example, in 2011 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_attack), Palestinians beheaded an infant and murdered most of the family. That got less international attention than the arson, for the simple reason that people just didn't care. It didn't fit with their silly David vs Goliath narrative so they didn't dwell on it.

[kev99]

Well, actually, I've lived in America for four years. That is another rather crude caricature of American public opinion. I think you've unwittingly proved my point.
So, the public opinion in America actually dislikes guns?

[Exocet]

Doing this shit in Jerusalem was a provocation.
What were they expecting ? Flowers?

[wolf g]

i really don't know it's so bad?

[Porpoise101]

i really don't know it's so bad?
It is bad because people can't just go killing people because of their beliefs. That is evil.

[Left Now]

It is an established fact they did not have to let such a thing happen in Jerusalem.Most of Jerusalem's population may consist of ultra religious,Jew,Muslim,Christian,who are not fine with such things like this in public.They should have respected their feelings.

Anyway,still it was too much to kill people for this I believe.

[wolf g]

It is bad because people can't just go killing people because of their beliefs. That is evil.

right you right

[maggs]

It was really risky to do it there. It's also a shame someone had to die :( There's some countries where the population is not ready for this kind of parades.

[phuckphace]

gay pride parades annoy me, but then again so does murder

a non-lethal flash-bang grenade would've been hilarious tho

[Exocet]

gay pride parades annoy me, but then again so does murder

a non-lethal flash-bang grenade would've been hilarious tho


Bringing a Merkava would have been better i think. :popcorn:

[Harry Smith]

christ when did VT become riddled with fascists and neo-nazis?

[Porpoise101]

gay pride parades annoy me, but then again so does murder

a non-lethal flash-bang grenade would've been hilarious tho
That's what I'm talking about! Stop nonviolence with nonviolence.

[Judean Zealot]

It was a provocation, straight up, and in a religious city like Jerusalem one must expect a backlash. For a number of reasons I disapprove of the actions taken, but I will say this up front.

Had I been in Jerusalem at the time (I was in the Galilee on that day) I would've been there with eggs and rocks. Nobody in our city wants them marching here, and their coming here specially to defile our city and undermine our religion (because ultimately, that's what the goal of marching in Jerusalem is: a demonstration of their triumph over religious law and their continuing contempt of its practice) is intolerable.

[Left Now]

Bringing a Merkava would have been better i think. :popcorn:

I only hope that was just a joke.

Of course they were wrong to let such parade being held in a city like Jerusalem,but they should have been calmly convinced that their act will provoke tensions and cause harsh reacts from Jerusalem's populace.

There was no need to murder a innocent teenager for such a thing anyway,maybe a peaceful counter protest by the ones who were against this parade being held in there would work better.

[Gwen]

I only hope that was just a joke.

Of course they were wrong to let such parade being held in a city like Jerusalem,but they should have been calmly convinced that their act will provoke tensions and cause harsh reacts from Jerusalem's populace.

There was no need to murder a innocent teenager for such a thing anyway,maybe a peaceful counter protest by the ones who were against this parade being held in there would work better.

To be fair the marchers knew exactly what the dangers would be. The exact last time they tried this same Pride Parade the same guy also went on a stabbing spree. They didn't need to be convinced since they would have been very aware that a gay pride parade in possibly the most conservative area in the world besides the Saudi Arabian throne room. It is very unfortunate and terrible that it couldn't of been resolved peacefully but running into Israel and proclaiming you are a Nazi and waving a Nazi flag around is asking for the same kind of backlash, just that you won't get media sympathy for it.

[Left Now]

To be fair the marchers knew exactly what the dangers would be. The exact last time they tried this same Pride Parade the same guy also went on a stabbing spree. They didn't need to be convinced since they would have been very aware that a gay pride parade in possibly the most conservative area in the world besides the Saudi Arabian throne room. It is very unfortunate and terrible that it couldn't of been resolved peacefully but running into Israel and proclaiming you are a Nazi and waving a Nazi flag around is asking for the same kind of backlash, just that you won't get media sympathy for it.

Why so persistent to do such a thing in Jerusalem?Seriously why while Tel Aviv is just a better place for this?

[phuckphace]

just going to say it, if I'm ever somewhere and there's a gay pride parade going down, I'll be there with the eggs and rocks as well.

b-but phuck I thought you were gay

yes I am, problem bigot?? I decided long ago that a hedonistic wasteland ruled by anarcho-libertarians from atop a pile of rubble isn't the kind of society I want to live in, but that's the logical conclusion that we'll arrive at by...er...tolerating this farcical shitshow. in general, these people are motivated by a puerile contempt for religious values and those who hold them, simple as that. 99.9999% of them absolutely would, if given the power, choose to ban/suppress/neutralize religious practice tomorrow, regardless of any claims to the contrary. think about how ironic that is: a group that comprises around ~2% of the US population would, to quote Varys from Game of Thrones, see this country burn if they could be king of the ashes. tradition, order, cohesion are not values that LGBT folks hold or care about. however, they do value the freedom to tongue-fuck strangers met via craigslist without judgement from bigots.

ironically, the LGBT-rights crowd are filled with a hatred that burns far hotter than any held by religious people for homosexuals. it's likelier that a religious person, say a Christian, feels something akin to pity when they see a broken homo shuffling down the street with a misspelled placard in one hand and a dildo in the other. a fair number of Christians might even say a prayer or two in earnest for the person in the hopes that they'll come to repent for their sins and end a life of hedonistic misery.

I really hope the Christians are praying as hard as they can, because we're going to need a literal miracle.

[Judean Zealot]

Why so persistent to do such a thing in Jerusalem?Seriously why while Tel Aviv is just a better place for this?

Simple. They want to disgrace religion and what it stands for, and what better way to do this than to come in masses and publicly fornicate in the streets of the world's most revered city?

I hope they try this in Mecca someday. Let's see how many of them come back.

[Left Now]

Simple. They want to disgrace religion and what it stands for, and what better way to do this than to come in masses and publicly fornicate in the streets of the world's most revered city?

I hope they try this in Mecca someday. Let's see how many of them come back.

Well,for this they have to bring people from out of the city,which I do not think to be even possible.

[Exocet]

Compared to Tel Aviv,Jerusalem is full of very religious people of many religions,that couldnt tolerate shits like this in the holy city. And yeah they are lucky.... do this in Makkah or in Karbala, and you wont survive even 10 sec. I hope they will take lessons from this and do their shits somewhere else.

[Left Now]

Simple. They want to disgrace religion and what it stands for, and what better way to do this than to come in masses and publicly fornicate in the streets of the world's most revered city?

I hope they try this in Mecca someday. Let's see how many of them come back.

Is this Parade something which officials were informed of?I mean did government support such a thing to happen in Jerusalem?

[Judean Zealot]

Is this Parade something which officials were informed of?I mean did government support such a thing to happen in Jerusalem?

I am ashamed to say that it was legal and protected by the police. The Israeli left despises religion as well, and all sorts of decadence are allowed and encouraged by them.

[Left Now]

I am ashamed to say that it was legal and protected by the police. The Israeli left despises religion as well, and all sorts of decadence are allowed and encouraged by them.

Well that is another thing.If this was going to for example happen in Iraq,the government would not approve it and then no Parade would be held and following it,no one would be harmed and no one's feelings would be hurt.If the majority of people of Jerusalem were against this Parade,then the government shouldn't have let it to happen under their approval.

[Judean Zealot]

Well that is another thing.If this was going to for example happen in Iraq,the government would not approve it and then no Parade would be held and following it,no one would be harmed and no one's feelings would be hurt.If the majority of people of Jerusalem were against this Parade,then the government shouldn't have let it to happen under their approval.

The majority of the city are staunchly opposed. I remember the riots and demonstrations against the first one. But the government went, against our wishes, and encouraged them.

[Left Now]

The majority of the city are staunchly opposed. I remember the riots and demonstrations against the first one. But the government went, against our wishes, and encouraged them.

Well,I cannot comment on this matter since I am not a citizen of Jerusalem,but if that is how you said,then it was a wrong thing act of your government.However,still I am not a position to comment on internal matters of Israel.

[phuckphace]

gay pride parades are an easy litmus test to determine the health of your society:

if they are flanked on both sides by riot police in full combat gear, it's likely that your society isn't entirely a lost cause just yet (glorious East Europe, the Balkans, etc.) on the other hand, if cops aren't "needed" and few/no rocks are thrown, it's time to move the fuck out of there because your country is run by nihilistic progressives with their priorities a galaxy or two over from where they should be. that is all

[Stronk Serb]

gay pride parades are an easy litmus test to determine the health of your society:

if they are flanked on both sides by riot police in full combat gear, it's likely that your society isn't entirely a lost cause just yet (glorious East Europe, the Balkans, etc.) on the other hand, if cops aren't "needed" and few/no rocks are thrown, it's time to move the fuck out of there because your country is run by nihilistic progressives with their priorities a galaxy or two over from where they should be. that is all

Fun fact, to protect the gay pride parade (which 90% of the nation despises), 8000 riot police had to be assembled, most pulled out of other cities. Then those riot troopers pritected a mere 2000 gays (I think, but the number was drastically lower). Also it's fucking hilarious that they want rights, they are less than 6% of the population. Besides, nobody will know if you are gay unless you go around with a dildo up your ass and dress extremely feminine. Also the sad thing is, the current traitor government doesn't allow protests about serious matters. They banned the protest against our stupid apologetic policies, probably now the protest against allowing entry to migrants.

[Vlerchan]

Also it's fucking hilarious that they want rights, they are less than 6% of the population.
Lol. This sort.of summed up my reading of the thread.

[Left Now]

Also it's fucking hilarious that they want rights, they are less than 6% of the population.

Well that is a matter related to Rights of Majority and Rights of Minority.They must not interfere with each others if they want to coexist and they must not overwhelm each others neither.I personally believe when the majority are against something like this to be shouted in the public (attention:be shouted,not mentioned and spoken of regularly among people),then the minority have to respect their urge and do what is not going to make tensions and brings hostility.Let it flow not flood.

[Stronk Serb]

Well that is a matter related to Rights of Majority and Rights of Minority.They must not interfere with each others if they want to coexist and they must not overwhelm each others neither.I personally believe when the majority are against something like this to be shouted in the public (attention:be shouted,not mentioned and spoken of regularly among people),then the minority have to respect their urge and do what is not going to make tensions and brings hostility.Let it flow not flood.

They aren't institutionally opressed, yet they complain. Not to mention the gay lobby here get's tons of euromonies from abroad, also I suspect because of that that there are straight people claiming to be gay just for the monies.