The Quiverfull Movement

[Babs]

I'd like to discuss the quiverfull movement and see people's opinions on it.
For those who don't know, those in th quiverfull movement shun contraception, and believe that God will not give them more children than they can handle.
I think it's a load a bo'shit, and that comes from personal experience. I'll try not to get too far into detail but I'll explain.
I was raised in the quiverfull movement, having 8 siblings. It led to abuse and neglect. My mom (the main instigator in joining the movement) bit off more than she could chew because it was ~*God's will*~ and lost her damn mind. She couldn't handle it at all, and all her personal issues today stems from that. Also, we really could not afford so many kids, nor did we have the room in the house. I know several other quiverfull families who have the same experiece.
Other reasons I'm against it is because it could lead to ovet population. Fun fact: the earth only has enough resources to support 10mil people.
Now, that's not to say I'm against Christianity and whatnot. Just fuckin stupid Christianity.

tl;dr it can seriously fuck up the kids also there are too many kids already

[Gwen]

Stupid parents are the whole reason the Pope had to say: 'Catholics do not have to breed “like rabbits” and should instead practise responsible parenting'. It is kind of sad that this basic fucking knowledge needs to be explained in the first place.

[Microcosm]

LOL

this is no better than my mom saying "me and your dad asked God for a child and got you"

when I was like four years old and asked where babies come from. God probably doesn't directly control the baby-making process of everyone. If he did, then kids wouldn't be born with life-threatening disorders.

[Judean Zealot]

What gets me annoyed about the whole idea is that it's based on a very puerile conception of Divine Providence. Providence doesn't mean that a person can simply go about his life carelessly and rely on God to help him. God created this world with processes and natural laws, and requires us to conform with those laws.

[dxcxdzv]

I think for creating Mankind God just changed the texture pack of viruses.

[Stronk Serb]

What gets me annoyed about the whole idea is that it's based on a very puerile conception of Divine Providence. Providence doesn't mean that a person can simply go about his life carelessly and rely on God to help him. God created this world with processes and natural laws, and requires us to conform with those laws.

An old Serb saying:

Onaj koji sebe čuva, i Bog ga čuva

The one who looks out for himself has God looking out for him too.

You must start by looking out for yourself, after that the bricks will fall into their place.

[lliam]

Another proverb says: Hilf dir selbst und Gott ist mit dir.
means: help yourself and God is with you ... or so.

I always interpreted this like that you've to blame yourself if something goes wrong in your life. Obviously people tend to assign the own responsibility for their lives to higher beings or whatever.

Assuming that God has really created all humans, God's faithful people seem to be very blind when it comes to taking responsibility for themselves, but also for other lifes, e.g. their kids.

According to mankinds own faith through all religions, God gave us something called mind. Mostly strict believers ignore that. Probably because it's tiring to use their own mind.

Certainly, this mind is limited, but still be able to find it's own borders and able to make the right conclusions of it. Although much can be done, e.g. expanding existing limitations, results this in the conclusion that not all of it should be transposed or so. Because there is such a thing as a limit to growth.

And after a certain point expanding progress means nothing but retrogression. The principle can be applied universally. Also to this mother, who has brougt too many children to life in her, maybe unthinking trust in God.

[Judean Zealot]

According to mankinds own faith through all religions, God gave us something called mind. Mostly strict believers ignore that. Probably because it's tiring to use their own mind.

Certainly, this mind is limited, but still be able to find it's own borders and able to make the right conclusions of it. Although much can be done, e.g. expanding existing limitations, results this in the conclusion that not all of it should be transposed or so. Because there is such a thing as a limit to growth.

Thank you.

[Let Me Be a Pony]

LOL

this is no better than my mom saying "me and your dad asked God for a child and got you"

when I was like four years old and asked where babies come from. God probably doesn't directly control the baby-making process of everyone. If he did, then kids wouldn't be born with life-threatening disorders.

Oh, bro, you don't understand.
You see, the parents who ask the devil for a baby... they get a baby with life-threatening disorders.
The lesson this is teaching us is that you should blame your parents if something bad happens to you.

[lliam]

Oh, bro, you don't understand.
You see, the parents who ask the devil for a baby... they get a baby with life-threatening disorders.


But neither is it rare that [e.g.] Christians who ask God for a baby, get a very, very disturbed child.


The lesson this is teaching us is that you should blame your parents if something bad happens to you.

clever :D

[phuckphace]

America seems to be a breeding ground for all sorts of pathological religiosity. we've got a special knack for taking a poor innocent religion, mangling it beyond recognition and then slapping its desecrated corpse on our automobiles in sticker form.

you've got Mormonism, which was invented last Thursday by an American. Mormonism is a quintessentially American religion and you can tell by checking out their cosmology - Mormons believe that the faithful among them will be rewarded with their own private planet to rule over as CEO (i.e. the "American Dream" taken to its logical conclusion.) because every True American knows the whole point of living a righteous life is to get rewarded with PHAT LOOT.

then you've got the Jehovah's Witnesses, also founded last Thursday by another American. I'm not too familiar with their doctrines but if I'm not mistaken they've also retconned America into their eschatology. also, blood transfusions are literally Satanic, deal with it. *lets their child die of a curable disease*

then there's Scientology. you know the drill - last Thursday, Americans, etc. this one is a particularly obvious pseudoreligion that appeals to the wealthy for a good reason - pay us shitloads of cash to learn the esoteric secrets of Hubbard and crew.

Quiverfull is just yet another manifestation of this same broken American religiosity. I think it appeals to a certain type of Midwestern prole who takes the view of "God is my personal ATM, pray then make a withdrawal." it's also an easy way to level up your brownie points with JC, in lieu of actually trying to lead a righteous life (which, to these people means being a Hitlerian drill-sergeant helicopter parent to your 19 house-slaves).

[Uniquemind]

I think this movement sucks.

And it only seems to cater to those with a fetish for reproduction without a care for the quality of the children's upbringing.

It's not out of love of God, it's a type of sexual immorality.

[Judean Zealot]

phuckphace

Don't forget about the "Pastor Bob's Bible Emporium" type of Protestant fundamentalism that is so prevalent in Dixie. They're probably equally as ridiculous as the Mormons.

[phuckphace]

phuckphace

Don't forget about the "Pastor Bob's Bible Emporium" type of Protestant fundamentalism that is so prevalent in Dixie. They're probably equally as ridiculous as the Mormons.

yeah. I think if Pastor Bob and Quiverfull were plotted on a Venn diagram you'd only see one circle