Smoking bans, laws and tobacco prices?

[Stronk Serb]

Are they needed, effective and what's your opinion on them?

In my opinion:
Non-smoking areas should be hospitals, public and educational institutions and inside hotel rooms and public transport. Also I would like to add places frequented by minors.
Smoking areas: pubs, mostly if not all adult-frequented locales. Locales should be divided into smoker and non smoker areas by physical barrier like a thick curtain or a wall, but something that can absorb it or block it.
Prices: a certain low one-digit percent of the average wage with price differences depending on quality
Tax: 50% like it was here a few years back.

[DerBear]

In my opinion smoking should be banned in almost all places you said. Except Hotel Rooms, I think you should still get smoking/non smoking hotel rooms, you can still get them. As long as its clear.

I think smoking in pubs and restaurants should be okay as long as its in a separate room and its very well ventilated.

Price, I think the price is too high in the UK. I think something like 80% is tax and then you've got VAT on top. They should lower it to 50% + VAT and all 50% should go to something like the NHS.

In terms of tax/price it has helped people quit as some simply can't afford it.

[sweettayla]

Restrictions on where you can smoke and high tax rates have worked here in Australia there are less and less people smoking than in the past. The biggest change though has been cultural, once smoking was socially acceptable, now it isn't.

[Let Me Be a Pony]

You can't smoke here near schools, in hotels, in hospitals, and public transport, but I see people do it all the time, really.
There are spots in restaurants that are for non-smokers and an area designated specifically for smokers.
Meh, again, half of the people break this rule and no one cares.

[Miserabilia]

Fuck smoking, fuck something so cancerous and addictive and the only thing we do about it is warn people. Just goes to show that as long as we're making money off of it it won't be illegalized.

[Stronk Serb]

Fuck smoking, fuck something so cancerous and addictive and the only thing we do about it is warn people. Just goes to show that as long as we're making money off of it it won't be illegalized.

Heroine is more addictive than smoking, and far more dangerous to the user and community. Have you heard anywhere that smoking destroyed families?

[Judean Zealot]

Heroine is more addictive than smoking, and far more dangerous to the user and community. Have you heard anywhere that smoking destroyed families?

Well if dad dies that can destroy the family, no?

[Miserabilia]

Heroine is more addictive than smoking, and far more dangerous to the user and community.

And since the government isn't making bigbig tax dolla's on heroine it's still illegal. It's used by small specific amounts of people and not socialy accepted. I'm not sure there's an objective way to measure how "addictive" something is. It's true that heroine is more dangerous and gives greater physical effects when the body is left without it but that doesn't make it more addictive neccecairly.

Have you heard anywhere that smoking destroyed families?

Ever heard of lung cancer? And yes, nowadays that smoking is finaly becoming less socialy aceptable plenty of friendships and relationships are ruined by smoking the same way they can be ruined with alchohol and other legal drugs.

[Stronk Serb]

Well if dad dies that can destroy the family, no?

What I meant is during the life of a heroin junkie and a smoker. When the junkie dies, the family is destroyed too, especially if he had kids. While a heroin junkie lives, he doesn't think about food or sleep, only about the next fix, that kind of mentality destroys families while the junkie is still alive, because he starts stealing, whoring and asking for money.

And since the government isn't making bigbig tax dolla's on heroine it's still illegal. It's used by small specific amounts of people and not socialy accepted. I'm not sure there's an objective way to measure how "addictive" something is. It's true that heroine is more dangerous and gives greater physical effects when the body is left without it but that doesn't make it more addictive neccecairly.



Ever heard of lung cancer? And yes, nowadays that smoking is finaly becoming less socialy aceptable plenty of friendships and relationships are ruined by smoking the same way they can be ruined with alchohol and other legal drugs.

Lol, I love when people start demonizing us smokers for no reason. Know what? It's our choice, if we're not puffing smoke in your face, piss off. And smoking doesn't cause violent behaviour like alcoholism and some types of drugs. I could list countless other health issues that take less timecto manifest with alcohol or drugs. Majority of the smokers make it past their thirties, I haven't heard of a heroin junkie who made it past his thirties. Also overdosing on cigarettes with death as the final consequence is almost, if not impossible.

[lliam]

In my opinion, smoking should be strictly forbidden. And instead of non-smoking areas we set up restricted smoking areas. Uhmm, I guess that's already done.

And of course, smoking for children and young people generally prohibited.

[Uniquemind]

Until smokers can contain their exhale of toxins only to themselves , I will be for all policies that restrict smoking in public places or in buildings which have a open ventilation system.


Sorry, your choice, solely your consequences, or you pay me a fee to compensate consequences due to your (the smoker's) actions that affect me.

[Stronk Serb]

In my opinion, smoking should be strictly forbidden. And instead of non-smoking areas we set up restricted smoking areas. Uhmm, I guess that's already done.

And of course, smoking for children and young people generally prohibited.

Until smokers can contain their exhale of toxins only to themselves , I will be for all policies that restrict smoking in public places or in buildings which have a open ventilation system.


Sorry, your choice, solely your consequences, or you pay me a fee to compensate consequences due to your (the smoker's) actions that affect me.

I agree on no smoking in public buildings, but if you are sitting in an open cafe, you have greater chances of dying from city smog than from some guy's smoke who's sitting two tables next to you. At that distance the smoke disperses and poses no threat.

[lliam]

I agree on no smoking in public buildings, but if you are sitting in an open cafe, you have greater chances of dying from city smog than from some guy's smoke who's sitting two tables next to you. At that distance the smoke disperses and poses no threat.



Agreed. Therefore, the air-pollution must be banned strictly. It's best to begin with the cows' and pigs' farts and then expand the ban on the cars.

Ban all internal combustion engines ... only fuel celled and electric cars are allowed. And I don't say it, because my dad has invested in these technologies.

[Sir Suomi]

I disdain the act of smoking, however if you want to have your lungs shrivel up and turn black by all means go ahead.

[Uniquemind]

I agree on no smoking in public buildings, but if you are sitting in an open cafe, you have greater chances of dying from city smog than from some guy's smoke who's sitting two tables next to you. At that distance the smoke disperses and poses no threat.

I'm against that too and totally for air quality laws from cars and trucks.

Look the technology for Hydrogen fuel cell cars whose waste product would essentially be water, exists, the main reason nobody would adopt mass production of the car are:

1. There's no infrastructure for refueling stations.

2. The oil industry is resisting it.

[Miserabilia]

Lol, I love when people start demonizing us smokers for no reason. Know what? It's our choice, if we're not puffing smoke in your face, piss off. And smoking doesn't cause violent behaviour like alcoholism and some types of drugs. I could list countless other health issues that take less timecto manifest with alcohol or drugs. Majority of the smokers make it past their thirties, I haven't heard of a heroin junkie who made it past his thirties. Also overdosing on cigarettes with
death as the final consequence is almost, if not impossible.

Oh the hardships "us smokers" face nowadays. Oh, how life is terrible and everyone is always conspiring against you.

It's your choice. Well congratulations I"m sure that you're not addicted at all, it's all your choice and you'd stop any moment I'm sure sweetheart.

And yes, you are puffing fucking smoke in my face. Wether it's the lovely literaly cancerous second hand smoke in just about every public place or the fact that smokers literaly smell like smoke all day and breathe out cancer in my face when they talk to me.

Smoking doesn't cause violent behaviour? Most Harddrugs don't *cause* violent behaviour either. They cause problems which in turn cause violence. And in case you didn't know, most smokers are violent as fuck when they have to spend a day or more without their precious cigarettes.
"Muh withdrawel!" they crie before stuffing with food or reacting off their anger to innocent people.

You can't overdose on cigarettes that doesn't mean you don't die as a consequence of smoking them. It also takes a lot to OD on alchohol but more people die in accidents as a result of being intoxicated than actual alchohol OD's so do you just ignore those?
Smoking kills and sickens, not to mention it makes you look ugly as fuck with bad skin, lines around the mouth. An unhealthy appearence.

You may feel "demonized " and "muh choice', but guess what, OTHERS HAVE TO PAY. Either you don't get healthcare and you die from smoking hurting everyone around you and youreslf, or you do get the endless treatments needed for long cancer bronchitis etc etc, and people pay. Tax money wil be spended on treating people like you for knowingly and purposly destroying their bodies on an expensive useless addiction but atleast it's 'their choice'.

[Stronk Serb]

Oh the hardships "us smokers" face nowadays. Oh, how life is terrible and everyone is always conspiring against you.

It's your choice. Well congratulations I"m sure that you're not addicted at all, it's all your choice and you'd stop any moment I'm sure sweetheart.

And yes, you are puffing fucking smoke in my face. Wether it's the lovely literaly cancerous second hand smoke in just about every public place or the fact that smokers literaly smell like smoke all day and breathe out cancer in my face when they talk to me.

Smoking doesn't cause violent behaviour? Most Harddrugs don't *cause* violent behaviour either. They cause problems which in turn cause violence. And in case you didn't know, most smokers are violent as fuck when they have to spend a day or more without their precious cigarettes.
"Muh withdrawel!" they crie before stuffing with food or reacting off their anger to innocent people.

You can't overdose on cigarettes that doesn't mean you don't die as a consequence of smoking them. It also takes a lot to OD on alchohol but more people die in accidents as a result of being intoxicated than actual alchohol OD's so do you just ignore those?
Smoking kills and sickens, not to mention it makes you look ugly as fuck with bad skin, lines around the mouth. An unhealthy appearence.

You may feel "demonized " and "muh choice', but guess what, OTHERS HAVE TO PAY. Either you don't get healthcare and you die from smoking hurting everyone around you and youreslf, or you do get the endless treatments needed for long cancer bronchitis etc etc, and people pay. Tax money wil be spended on treating people like you for knowingly and purposly destroying their bodies on an expensive useless addiction but atleast it's 'their choice'.

Wow. I smoke responsibly, if you have a problem with that then ok. I ain't smoking around people. I take my distance. Also provide evidence that smoker's clothes and breath are ultra dangerous. Also if you have a problem with someone smoking in a park 20 feet away from you, get a gas mask.

[Miserabilia]

Wow. I smoke responsibly, if you have a problem with that then ok.

Please tell me what that even means.

I ain't smoking around people. I take my distance.

So you never smoke on a terrace or a trainstation or a subway station or a que or a crowded street? Because most smokers that say this simply move away a feet or two without realizing it's usualy sitll very bothersome to breath in and smell.

Also provide evidence that smoker's clothes and breath are ultra dangerous.

I'm not saying it's ultra dangerous. I'm saying it stinks. It reeks. It's a nasty smell to anyone that does not smoke.

Also if you have a problem with someone smoking in a park 20 feet away from you, get a gas mask.

I'm not saying I do, I definetely think they're pretty stupid though, especialy when they're illness caused by smoking costs other peope money, while companies that produce tobacco continue to make shit tons of money.