Shane Dawson

[Karkat]

Recently, as some of you may know, Shane Dawson came out as bisexual. This stirred up a lot of controversy- mostly jabs along the lines of "I didn't know he was attracted to girls", claims that he only did it for publicity, etc.

However, in the video, he discusses a lot of the background as to what lead him to realize he was bisexual, as well as why he felt coming out to the YouTube community was important.

-Have you seen the video? What are your thoughts on it?
-Do you believe this is a publicity stunt?
-Do we really still need to come out?
-Did you relate to the video in any way?
-What do you feel the general reaction to this video says about the acceptance and integration of LGBT into society?

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-Have you seen the video? What are your thoughts on it? Yes, I have (obviously). I honestly thought it was a really touching video. I wanted to hug him the entire time tbh.
-Do you believe this is a publicity stunt? Not at all. He seemed very genuine and open.
-Do we really still need to come out? Yes and no. I feel like those who feel the need should, and those who don't shouldn't. It's wonderful to be out as a measure of solidarity, among things, but a lot of people feel like it will define them, when they are not their sexuality, and that's perfectly understandable as well.
-Did you relate to the video in any way? Absolutely. Hell, I even cried during part of it because it was so fucking close to home.
-What do you feel the general reaction to this video says about the acceptance and integration of LGBT into society? We've still got a long ways to go...

[Abhorrence]

I saw the video immediately after he uploaded it because I watch most of his content and I've gotta say it was a surprise. A lot of people have said that it's not shocking at all but I was genuinely surprised because I've been watching him for around six years and obviously he kept making it very clear he was in no way gay, despite his jokes about it. I think that it was a nice, honest, open video and I like when he does videos like that because I think you can see his genuine side rather than the fake character he portrays on most of his other videos.

[Desuetude]

-Have you seen the video? What are your thoughts on it?
Yup. I think that anyone in the spotlight that shares a lot of their life with us needs to announce big things they want us to know about. Otherwise it just becomes shitty rumours that fangirls argue and cry over. He did well, explained his thoughts and feelings thoroughly and took into account that being bi can be harder than being attracted to only one sex, which was good.
-Do you believe this is a publicity stunt?
Nah, Shane does big, stupid things on his channel and when he makes serious videos, they're serious. Hes talked about his depression, suicide ideation and eating disorder. This is just another serious topic he wants people to know and raise awareness about.
-Do we really still need to come out?
I went over this in the first question but yes, I do think it's necessary still. If only to the people we're closest to and I believe it always will be necessary. It's just informing people about your preferences, like if you were religious you might tell people what religion you follow. It shouldnt be made a big deal but yeah, coming out is necessary.
-Did you relate to the video in any way?
Ehh, I can relate with him being scared about the responses and not knowing whether he'd be accepted. I don't really relate to any LGB things, I don't regard my sexuality as being important. I've defined it but I don't care to tell people, I'm attracted to whoever I'm attracted to. (Which I guess contradicts with what I said about needing to come out but eh, I don't date people so it doesn't come up).
-What do you feel the general reaction to this video says about the acceptance and integration of LGBT into society?
I don't think you can include the 'T', there's such a big difference between the acceptance of peoples sexuality (where homosexuality has been somewhat normalisedbin society and as it comes up a lot people are more accepting and understanding about it) and their gender, which is widely unaccepted and even people in LGB communities misunderstand the trans* part of LGBT and I know people in the LBG community who are very transphobic which is kind of disgusting. Just because you have acceptance, you shouldnt shove the hate onto another group. People don't understand and they don't try to understand. It's normal to see LGB people in society and really, only the older generation and extremely religious people have a problem still yet trans* people are still shunned and abused as a whole.

Sorry, that was long.

[SethfromMI]

I think it was a lot like Connor Franta (Spelling?) He was trying to wrestle with the issue with himself, except Connor finally admitted he was gay and not bi. When you make videos as much as they do on youtube, you do share the big things in your life and coming out is a pretty big thing.

[jessie3]

I have not seen the video of him "Coming Out" nor have i watched him in a couple years but i seriously hate the fact that YouTubers like Joey Graceffa and shane Dawson are now literally "Coming Out". The reason why i am using quotation marks over the word is because it really should not be a total surprise, nor shock. I mean if you have seen both Joey and Shane's videos before they both came out you can clearly tell that these so called "Straight guys " aren't actually as straight as they appear to be.

I'm sorry but i just think it's disgraceful of them to lie about being "straight". If they would of been straight forward from the beginning then i wouldn't have a problem with it.


Now Connor, i have only seen 1 video of his, i don't like him because he isn't my cup of tea but from what i saw in that one video he did not seem like nor did he act gay, so when he came out i was kinda surprised.

[Abhorrence]

I have not seen the video of him "Coming Out" nor have i watched him in a couple years but i seriously hate the fact that YouTubers like Joey Graceffa and shane Dawson are now literally "Coming Out". The reason why i am using quotation marks over the word is because it really should not be a total surprise, nor shock. I mean if you have seen both Joey and Shane's videos before they both came out you can clearly tell that these so called "Straight guys " aren't actually as straight as they appear to be.

I'm sorry but i just think it's disgraceful of them to lie about being "straight". If they would of been straight forward from the beginning then i wouldn't have a problem with it.


Now Connor, i have only seen 1 video of his, i don't like him because he isn't my cup of tea but from what i saw in that one video he did not seem like nor did he act gay, so when he came out i was kinda surprised.
Uhhhhhh did you know that not every feminine male is gay and not every masculine female is lesbian? Just because someone acts feminine does not mean they are acting "gay". And if you actually watched Shane's video you would find that he battled with his bisexuality for years because of his religious upbringing. Also, Joey didn't tell people because he hadn't accepted it within himself yet. Neither of them needed to come out to their audiences, it's their personal life.

[Rayquaza]

I have not seen the video of him "Coming Out" nor have i watched him in a couple years but i seriously hate the fact that YouTubers like Joey Graceffa and shane Dawson are now literally "Coming Out". The reason why i am using quotation marks over the word is because it really should not be a total surprise, nor shock. I mean if you have seen both Joey and Shane's videos before they both came out you can clearly tell that these so called "Straight guys " aren't actually as straight as they appear to be.

I'm sorry but i just think it's disgraceful of them to lie about being "straight". If they would of been straight forward from the beginning then i wouldn't have a problem with it.


Now Connor, i have only seen 1 video of his, i don't like him because he isn't my cup of tea but from what i saw in that one video he did not seem like nor did he act gay, so when he came out i was kinda surprised.

This is a pretty ignorant response tbh. Seriously consider the implications of the assumptions you are making and the winder ramifications originating from your view.

YouTubers are people too. Regular people have to come out to their friends and family, YouTubers are no different. They come out to their friends and family the use of video and social networking. Coming out is still fundamental to accepting who you are to this day. If your ideology of what gay and straight is, is based entirely on profiling and stereotyping then that close-mindedness of yours isn't going to get you very far. People change, develop and reveal more about themselves. There was probably no way Shane Dawson knew he was bisexual 5 years ago, given the fact that he said in his video he was only sexually confused for the past 1 year. People were surprised when David Walliams, the man that plays a variety of women actually had a wife and was in a happy marriage. Pigeon-holing people is dangerous.

[James Dean]

I think of Shane Dawson coming out for the same reasons another popular internet celebrity, Fred (Lucas Cruikshank) came out. People kept leaving comments on his videos "are you gay", so he got tired of it and just came out.

I always knew Shane Dawson was gay ever since I first started seeing his videos years ago. I'm happy that he now came out and I don't think it's that big of a deal. Most of his fans were gay guys like myself.

[Karkat]

I have not seen the video of him "Coming Out" nor have i watched him in a couple years but i seriously hate the fact that YouTubers like Joey Graceffa and shane Dawson are now literally "Coming Out". The reason why i am using quotation marks over the word is because it really should not be a total surprise, nor shock. I mean if you have seen both Joey and Shane's videos before they both came out you can clearly tell that these so called "Straight guys " aren't actually as straight as they appear to be.

I'm sorry but i just think it's disgraceful of them to lie about being "straight". If they would of been straight forward from the beginning then i wouldn't have a problem with it.


Now Connor, i have only seen 1 video of his, i don't like him because he isn't my cup of tea but from what i saw in that one video he did not seem like nor did he act gay, so when he came out i was kinda surprised.

Woah woah woah, hold it right there.

For one, Shane is bisexual. He's not gay, there is a difference, he still likes and even loves women, he enjoys heterosexual intercourse, he is not 'gay'.

Also, the reason he made the video? Partially because of PEOPLE LIKE YOU, all judgemental and uptight and shit. There was a lot of speculation that he was gay, and he wanted to set the record straight.

BUT he also went into his life experiences, and how religion affected how he acted/thought, how his family, etc.

He reached out to anyone struggling with their sexuality and said "you're not alone", basically.

Also, the fact that you haven't seen the video honestly just means your opinion is moot. Haven't seen it? No valid opinion can be held. NEXT.


I think of Shane Dawson coming out for the same reasons another popular internet celebrity, Fred (Lucas Cruikshank) came out. People kept leaving comments on his videos "are you gay", so he got tired of it and just came out.

I always knew Shane Dawson was gay ever since I first started seeing his videos years ago. I'm happy that he now came out and I don't think it's that big of a deal. Most of his fans were gay guys like myself.

Well he's not just gay

He identifies as bisexual. Yeah, he likes guys, but he also really likes women.

That's a little like saying I'm straight because I date guys, or I'm cisgender because I present myself femininely most of the time. I'm not trying to slap your wrist or anything, just wanted to point that out, as it may get under the skin of bisexual people- we get stereotyped as either or when we're neither a lot. I know you didn't mean any harm by it, but idk, it's always something that kinda bugs me.

[jessie3]

Woah woah woah, hold it right there.

For one, Shane is bisexual. He's not gay, there is a difference, he still likes and even loves women, he enjoys heterosexual intercourse, he is not 'gay'.

Also, the reason he made the video? Partially because of PEOPLE LIKE YOU, all judgemental and uptight and shit. There was a lot of speculation that he was gay, and he wanted to set the record straight.

BUT he also went into his life experiences, and how religion affected how he acted/thought, how his family, etc.

He reached out to anyone struggling with their sexuality and said "you're not alone", basically.

Also, the fact that you haven't seen the video honestly just means your opinion is moot. Haven't seen it? No valid opinion can be held. NEXT.




Well he's not just gay

He identifies as bisexual. Yeah, he likes guys, but he also really likes women.

That's a little like saying I'm straight because I date guys, or I'm cisgender because I present myself femininely most of the time. I'm not trying to slap your wrist or anything, just wanted to point that out, as it may get under the skin of bisexual people- we get stereotyped as either or when we're neither a lot. I know you didn't mean any harm by it, but idk, it's always something that kinda bugs me.


Excuse me but before you start putting people on blast and shit, GO BACK AND READ CAREFULLY! You see that i did not call Shane "Gay" as you speculate that i did. I said that i was merely surprised when Connor Franta came out as GAY because i would of never thought he was, i had always assumed he was straight like a lot of people thought he was as well.

So next time you blasting people up put on your glasses and read. NEXT!

[conniption]

Excuse me but before you start putting people on blast and shit, GO BACK AND READ CAREFULLY! You see that i did not call Shane "Gay" as you speculate that i did. I said that i was merely surprised when Connor Franta came out as GAY because i would of never thought he was, i had always assumed he was straight like a lot of people thought he was as well.

So next time you blasting people up put on your glasses and read. NEXT!

Actually, you implied that neither of Joey and Shane were straight because of the way they act, which is a pretty ignorant statement in itself. It's ridiculous to think you'd have a problem with people coming out just because you supposedly called it first. They certainly don't owe you or anybody a single thing, so they're free to come out when they're ready to come out.

[jessie3]

Actually, you implied that neither of Joey and Shane were straight because of the way they act, which is a pretty ignorant statement in itself. It's ridiculous to think you'd have a problem with people coming out just because you supposedly called it first. They certainly don't owe you or anybody a single thing, so they're free to come out when they're ready to come out.

Well it's not ignorant when it's a fact that neither Joey Or Shane were straight, i mean if you have seen any of there videos you can see that they don't act straight either, also i never said i called it "First" and you are right none of them owe me anything because i didn't ask for anything. I also don't have a problem with people coming out.

[Babs]

Well it's not ignorant when it's a fact that neither Joey Or Shane were straight, i mean if you have seen any of there videos you can see that they don't act straight either, also i never said i called it "First" and you are right none of them owe me anything because i didn't ask for anything. I also don't have a problem with people coming out.
The implication that sexual orientation affects behavior and outward appearance is what they were calling ignorant.

[jessie3]

The implication that sexual orientation affects behavior and outward appearance is what they were calling ignorant.


Well I'm not saying that sexual orientation affects behaviour and outward appearance because it goes both ways but what I'm trying to say is that how could one seriously be surprised when he came out as bisexual? I mean it shouldn't be that much of a shocker really. He has kissed guys very deeply and passionately before, including Joey.

[Dusk]

-Have you seen the video? What are your thoughts on it? Yes I have seen the video and after I watched it I felt happy for him.
-Do you believe this is a publicity stunt? Personally, no. But if this was a publicity stunt it's certainly a low blow.
-Do we really still need to come out? I really think it depends on the person. Someone like Shane may have felt like it was the right thing to do as he has such a large fan base and he wanted to express who he truly is after ignoring and bottling it up for so many years.
-Did you relate to the video in any way? Yup, very.
-What do you feel the general reaction to this video says about the acceptance and integration of LGBT into society? I think it was a great reaction. Yeah there were haters, but that was obviously going to happen. But form what I saw the majority were supportive and I think that's great.

[Karkat]

Excuse me but before you start putting people on blast and shit, GO BACK AND READ CAREFULLY! You see that i did not call Shane "Gay" as you speculate that i did. I said that i was merely surprised when Connor Franta came out as GAY because i would of never thought he was, i had always assumed he was straight like a lot of people thought he was as well.

So next time you blasting people up put on your glasses and read. NEXT!

"Oh look, I can nitpick!"

How about no. You defaulted my entire post over wording that can be interpreted as you saying he's gay.
If you didn't mean it, and it was just a poorly worded paragraph, that's one thing, but this just makes you look petty, and me look more right.

Don't join on the discussion unless you intend on adding something valuable, this was not meant to be a dick-measuring contest, it was meant to be a conversation about Shane Dawson's recent coming out, and how it is affecting the YouTube community, as well as the LGBT community.

And if you didn't watch the video yet continue to act like your already invalid opinion is superior to those who actually aren't immediately biased and have something WORTHWHILE to contribute, you just make yourself look like a joke.

Please don't respond unless you can contribute to the conversation, I'd really appreciate if my legitimate thread didn't get locked because one person decided to ruin it.

Well I'm not saying that sexual orientation affects behaviour and outward appearance because it goes both ways but what I'm trying to say is that how could one seriously be surprised when he came out as bisexual? I mean it shouldn't be that much of a shocker really. He has kissed guys very deeply and passionately before, including Joey.

Are you seriously implying that the way you act affects your sexuality?

Some people experiment and find they aren't gay/bisexual/straight. Some people kiss because they're actors and it's acting. Shane is an actor, and has also been confused about his sexuality in the past, therefore neither would be out of the question- you can't judge someone by one act.
And honestly it's just fucking rude to assume a person is or isn't something until they explicitly say they are.

[Babs]

Let's all cool it a bit. I don't want things go get out of hand.

[Typhlosion]

Boy, has it been a long time since I watched that guy. A loooong time...

I'm actually a bit surprised, given that I remember that he said about waiting till marriage or so, but good for him for coming out and facing the real world, hopefully in a better way. I didn't watch the video, nor will, but good for him :)

[jessie3]

"Oh look, I can nitpick!"

How about no. You defaulted my entire post over wording that can be interpreted as you saying he's gay.
If you didn't mean it, and it was just a poorly worded paragraph, that's one thing, but this just makes you look petty, and me look more right.

Don't join on the discussion unless you intend on adding something valuable, this was not meant to be a dick-measuring contest, it was meant to be a conversation about Shane Dawson's recent coming out, and how it is affecting the YouTube community, as well as the LGBT community.

And if you didn't watch the video yet continue to act like your already invalid opinion is superior to those who actually aren't immediately biased and have something WORTHWHILE to contribute, you just make yourself look like a joke.

Please don't respond unless you can contribute to the conversation, I'd really appreciate if my legitimate thread didn't get locked because one person decided to ruin it.



Are you seriously implying that the way you act affects your sexuality?

Some people experiment and find they aren't gay/bisexual/straight. Some people kiss because they're actors and it's acting. Shane is an actor, and has also been confused about his sexuality in the past, therefore neither would be out of the question- you can't judge someone by one act.
And honestly it's just fucking rude to assume a person is or isn't something until they explicitly say they are.


Well the whole point of having a discussion is to voice one's opinion good or bad, so whether you like it or not I'm going to keep voicing my opinion.

I don't think him coming out as bisexual has a great impact on the LGBT community on YouTube, simply because there already is a lot's of people on the website that are LGBTS and also because not everyone likes Shane. You keep saying that I'm calling Shane Dawson gay when in fact i haven't, so don't accuse someone of something they haven't done.

And no i did not imply that the way a person acts affects there sexuality, because what i think is that sexuality can affect one's behavior.

Just because i don't have the same opinion as you doesn't mean that I'm more right then you or that you are more right then me. The only person who can decide that is the viewer and Shane Dawson.

[Karkat]

Well the whole point of having a discussion is to voice one's opinion good or bad, so whether you like it or not I'm going to keep voicing my opinion.

I don't think him coming out as bisexual has a great impact on the LGBT community on YouTube, simply because there already is a lot's of people on the website that are LGBTS and also because not everyone likes Shane. You keep saying that I'm calling Shane Dawson gay when in fact i haven't, so don't accuse someone of something they haven't done.

And no i did not imply that the way a person acts affects there sexuality, because what i think is that sexuality can affect one's behavior.

Just because i don't have the same opinion as you doesn't mean that I'm more right then you or that you are more right then me. The only person who can decide that is the viewer and Shane Dawson.

You didn't even watch the video. THAT is why your opinion cannot be taken seriously.

[jessie3]

You didn't even watch the video. THAT is why your opinion cannot be taken seriously.

Okay well now you can't say i haven't seen the video before because i just watched it literally right now and yes i do understand that he struggled with accepting who he was for years, that he saw a therapist and I'm proud that he came out but to me my opinion still stands. I don't think him coming out has a profound impact on the LGBTS Community because everyday people come out on YouTube and on various social media so much that it's normal now and so he is just one of many who has struggled.

No matter how many times i watch this video it still wouldn't have a impact on me, I'm not going to have an epiphany over it. It's not going to happen.

You may not like what I'm saying but you aren't the only one with the an opinion. Some people might agree with me and what i have to say and others with you.

You said that i can't fucking judge someone based off of actions and expectations but i can and i will continue to do it because it's human nature to judge. You can think all the fucking shit about me, call me ignorant and shit go right ahead but the way you have responded to this discussion is in my opinion is ignorant in it self because you could of just left it alone and took it but instead you kept replying with false accusations even though you are the one who started the tread but you know what i could of done the same fucking thing too, i could of took it and left it alone.

If you want an apologies from me, then honey you are barking at the wrong tree. I stood for my opinion and I'ma take it as it is. NEXT!

[Babs]

You didn't even watch the video. THAT is why your opinion cannot be taken seriously.

Okay well now you can't say i haven't seen the video before because i just watched it literally right now and yes i do understand that he struggled with accepting who he was for years, that he saw a therapist and I'm proud that he came out but to me my opinion still stands. I don't think him coming out has a profound impact on the LGBTS Community because everyday people come out on YouTube and on various social media so much that it's normal now and so he is just one of many who has struggled.

No matter how many times i watch this video it still wouldn't have a impact on me, I'm not going to have an epiphany over it. It's not going to happen.

You may not like what I'm saying but you aren't the only one with the an opinion. Some people might agree with me and what i have to say and others with you.

You said that i can't fucking judge someone based off of actions and expectations but i can and i will continue to do it because it's human nature to judge. You can think all the fucking shit about me, call me ignorant and shit go right ahead but the way you have responded to this discussion is in my opinion is ignorant in it self because you could of just left it alone and took it but instead you kept replying with false accusations even though you are the one who started the tread but you know what i could of done the same fucking thing too, i could of took it and left it alone.

If you want an apologies from me, then honey you are barking at the wrong tree. I stood for my opinion and I'ma take it as it is. NEXT!

Seriously, cool it. If this turns into a fight, the thread will be closed.

[jessie3]

Seriously, cool it. If this turns into a fight, the thread will be closed.

Ain't no one fighting here.
I'm done with this bab.
I said what i have to said.

[Karkat]

Okay well now you can't say i haven't seen the video before because i just watched it literally right now and yes i do understand that he struggled with accepting who he was for years, that he saw a therapist and I'm proud that he came out but to me my opinion still stands. I don't think him coming out has a profound impact on the LGBTS Community because everyday people come out on YouTube and on various social media so much that it's normal now and so he is just one of many who has struggled.

No matter how many times i watch this video it still wouldn't have a impact on me, I'm not going to have an epiphany over it. It's not going to happen.

You may not like what I'm saying but you aren't the only one with the an opinion. Some people might agree with me and what i have to say and others with you.

You said that i can't fucking judge someone based off of actions and expectations but i can and i will continue to do it because it's human nature to judge. You can think all the fucking shit about me, call me ignorant and shit go right ahead but the way you have responded to this discussion is in my opinion is ignorant in it self because you could of just left it alone and took it but instead you kept replying with false accusations even though you are the one who started the tread but you know what i could of done the same fucking thing too, i could of took it and left it alone.

If you want an apologies from me, then honey you are barking at the wrong tree. I stood for my opinion and I'ma take it as it is. NEXT!

That is fine, but I don't appreciate your rudeness over it.

Not everyone will have an epiphany, and I respect your opinion there, and your opinion that you feel it doesn't have a big impact.

However, it's easier to respect someone and their opinion when you do not consistently talk smack on their thread. Just a heads up.

[Living For Love]

I don't get why people decide to make videos about coming out and saying their are gay or bisexual, I think it just widens the gap between the LGBT community and mainstream society. I don't understand all this fuss about someone's sexuality, whether we're talking about a famous person or not. People need to understand their sexuality is just one more characteristic that defines us, just like having black hair or green eyes, there's no need to emphasize it so much as many people do it nowadays because nobody simply cares, or at least shouldn't care. All these guys, Connor Franta, Troye Sivan, Shane Dawson, etc, need to understand people should like them for who they really are as people, not trying to move their fans with these emotional heart-breaking coming-out stories, because nobody cares about who they choose to have a relationship with. This is, among other things, what is wrong with the LGBT community, they give way too much importance to something so irrelevant as someone's sexuality, which will cause other people to wrongly think they are trying to seek attention or victimise themselves, when in fact they are just innocently sharing a fact about their lives which is not as important as, for instance, their careers or whatever they do that makes people like them so much. The only coming out video that I've seen in YouTube so far and that I think it's pretty reasonable and justifiable was Tom Daley's coming out video. He decided to make it after he was misquoted in an interview, and, feeling tired of people asking him about his relationships and so on, he decided to set things straight and make that video about the relationship he had been having with his partner. And I guess it's safe to say it worked.

[Karkat]

I don't get why people decide to make videos about coming out and saying their are gay or bisexual, I think it just widens the gap between the LGBT community and mainstream society. I don't understand all this fuss about someone's sexuality, whether we're talking about a famous person or not. People need to understand their sexuality is just one more characteristic that defines us, just like having black hair or green eyes, there's no need to emphasize it so much as many people do it nowadays because nobody simply cares, or at least shouldn't care. All these guys, Connor Franta, Troye Sivan, Shane Dawson, etc, need to understand people should like them for who they really are as people, not trying to move their fans with these emotional heart-breaking coming-out stories, because nobody cares about who they choose to have a relationship with. This is, among other things, what is wrong with the LGBT community, they give way too much importance to something so irrelevant as someone's sexuality, which will cause other people to wrongly think they are trying to seek attention or victimise themselves, when in fact they are just innocently sharing a fact about their lives which is not as important as, for instance, their careers or whatever they do that makes people like them so much. The only coming out video that I've seen in YouTube so far and that I think it's pretty reasonable and justifiable was Tom Daley's coming out video. He decided to make it after he was misquoted in an interview, and, feeling tired of people asking him about his relationships and so on, he decided to set things straight and make that video about the relationship he had been having with his partner. And I guess it's safe to say it worked.

Well, for one thing, it lets others know they aren't alone.
And without an out group of LGBT people, I for one, would feel hopelessly alone.