In response to Trump on Mexican Immigration to the U.S.

[Microcosm]

Donald Trump has been making some pretty large claims about the migrants coming in from Mexico.

When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

"And some, I assume, are good people."

So, how many exactly are good people? In order to stake a claim like "They're sending people that have lots of problems," you have to look at the effect that immigration from Mexico is actually having and what these people are doing once they get here. Now, here's a chart to put this in perspective(source provided below):

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/source_images/Spt-Mex2014-F4.png

(Source: http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/mexican-immigrants-united-states)

This image might project to you just how much of an impact our economy would take from strict reforms on immigration from Trump. Keeping all or most immigrants out wouldn't really help us. However, the claim that it seems to cause unemployment to rise in Americans seems pretty solid. Now, check out this story of Alabama's HB 56 law that you may have heard about which attempted to solve the problem:

Alabama’s harsh immigration law has stirred controversy since it went into effect in September. The statute, which among other things requires police to question people they suspect of being in the U.S. illegally, has prompted thousands of immigrants to flee the state. The law’s backers believed out-of-work Alabamians would snap up the jobs those immigrants once held.

It hasn’t turned out that way. A new study details the economic impact of harsh immigration laws such as those passed by Alabama and five other states. Published by the Center for Business & Economic Research at the University of Alabama, it’s the first economic cost-benefit analysis (PDF) of the state’s immigration statute. Dr. Samuel Addy, an economist and director of the Center, found that the law, known as HB 56, will annually shrink Alabama’s economy by at least $2.3 billion and will cost the state not less than 70,000 jobs.

(Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2012-02-14/alabamas-immigration-law-could-cost-billions-annually)

Here's the issue: When the law was passed and many immigrants left the state and their "hard, dirty, low-paying jobs" there, the jobs weren't getting filled by Alabamians because they didn't want those jobs.

As a result, Addy estimates, the state’s gross domestic product will decline by $2.3 billion to $10.8 billion for every year the law is in effect and will cost $56.7 million to $264.5 million in tax revenue.

So, huge economic strife occurred. What does this teach us? Well, to put it bluntly, it would seem that we need the immigrants. They've become integrated into our economy. Donald Trump and republicans with this same goal in their immigration reform plans could seriously harm the American economy.

Now, we need a solution. I think he's right to some degree when he says that there are criminals coming in from Mexico with bad intentions. At first, you may think the answer would be something like a less difficult or demanding immigration test protocol for them to get in legally, but some may not pass this test because of their past life, but they would be coming in hopes of a better, new life. So, it's hard to say something like that is a direct solution.

Never-the-less, it seems certain that the immigration laws that are currently in place need changing if we want to filter out the bad and let in the good. What do you think? Share your thoughts below.

[phuckphace]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Trump is attention whoring with these comments, because a) he knows he can get away with it because he's loaded and b) because he's loaded he can afford to live far away from any dirty immigrants, so far away that he won't even have to look at them from the window of his limo. in other words he couldn't care less about anything except his pallets of gold. reminder: Trump has "run for president" a few times. HEY, DID YOU GUYS HEAR DONALD TRUMP IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!?

anyway back to ye olde immigration topic, it's not that Americans don't want jobs, it's that they don't want jobs that pay chicken-shit wages with no benefits. immigrants accept poverty-level wages from greedy corporations & governments, thus keeping them suppressed for everybody and also contribute heavily to crime rates. poverty is strongly correlated with crime, so importing millions of additional future inmates and welfare recipients makes absolutely no sense from the "let's not fuck up our society" standpoint.

there's also no need to bother sorting through the immigrant pile to find the few half-decent ones when as a country our focus should be on our own populace and how to better its condition. there are plenty of reforms to labor we could make that would actually help fix the problem instead of serving the status quo. importing criminally inclined lumpenproles to patch up the shortfalls of a broken system is akin to trying to fix a broken toilet by eating spoiled burritos and then taking a massive shit. not only is it still broke, you've now made it even worse.

[Microcosm]

anyway back to ye olde immigration topic, it's not that Americans don't want jobs, it's that they don't want jobs that pay chicken-shit wages with no benefits. immigrants accept poverty-level wages from greedy corporations & governments, thus keeping them suppressed for everybody and also contribute heavily to crime rates. poverty is strongly correlated with crime, so importing millions of additional future inmates and welfare recipients makes absolutely no sense from the "let's not fuck up our society" standpoint.

there's also no need to bother sorting through the immigrant pile to find the few half-decent ones when as a country our focus should be on our own populace and how to better its condition. there are plenty of reforms to labor we could make that would actually help fix the problem instead of serving the status quo. importing criminally inclined lumpenproles to patch up the shortfalls of a broken system is akin to trying to fix a broken toilet by eating spoiled burritos and then taking a massive shit. not only is it still broke, you've now made it even worse.

You've made a great point here. Based on what you said, it seems that a really good solution would be to raise wages on these currently low-paying and undesirable positions that are filled by immigrants so that Americans will want to take these jobs, then send the immigrants back where they came from and strictly restrict immigration policies.

Is this what you're proposing? I'm not sure if I'm receiving your response properly.

It's not perfect from a moral standpoint because these people are looking for better lives when they come to America. If we're to uphold the law, though, then we should keep the illegal immigrants out(probably the best thing to do as long as you are prepared for the economic effects). Also, my response to something like that would be that it isn't our problem necessarily. We have to do what's in our best interest, I guess.

Also, it's not only Trump. I'm merely using Trump as an example for other Republicans that may think like that.

[Vlerchan]

I've come across no evidence that immigration has a significant impact on wage levels.

I also imagine that a portion of the tax revenue might be invested into crime prevention to offset the increase that the influx of immigrants might result in.

It's also going to be impossible to place a strict quota on Mexican immigration for given the border. It would just transfer towards increased levels of illegal immigration - which will suppress wages and cause a host of other issues.

The best move is to scrap farming subsidies in the US. This undermines agriculture in Mexico and prompts increased immigration [and declining manufacturing wages - which the US has to compete with].

[Microcosm]

I've come across no evidence that immigration has a significant impact on wage levels.

That wasn't what I meant. I mean we could increase the wages on the more dirty jobs that Americans typically don't want and perhaps put some money into making those jobs less dirty(if that's possible) so that if a law such as the law that Alabama introduced in my original post were introduced, then when the immigrants left those jobs more Americans would be willing to step up and take them.

Thus, unemployment is lowered.

But I guess that would be highly oppressive towards the Hispanic population. At that point, we're left with the decision of whether we want native-born Americans to have the jobs or immigrant Hispanics.
I also imagine that a portion of the tax revenue might be invested into crime prevention to offset the increase that the influx of immigrants might result in.

That seems like a pretty good idea to me.

It's also going to be impossible to place a strict quota on Mexican immigration for given the border. It would just transfer towards increased levels of illegal immigration - which will suppress wages and cause a host of other issues.

Perhaps if we just put some money towards increasing the security and law enforcement in areas where illegal immigration is common. That might be a less risky solution.

Also, I don't see how that would suppress wages, but perhaps that's something I don't know about economics.

The best move is to scrap farming subsidies in the US. This undermines agriculture in Mexico and prompts increased immigration [and declining manufacturing wages - which the US has to compete with].

Don't we not want increased immigration???? That just means there would be more Americans(not immigrants) left without jobs. I figured the whole point would be to lower the unemployment rate and bringing more people into the country to snatch up jobs from Americans doesn't seem to solve the issue, but only make it worse.

[Sir Suomi]

Things I'd like to see regarding immigration


Less drugs coming over the border, which fuels a lot of the problems facing Central/South America.
Less undocumented people coming over the border for pure health reasons. It's a well known fact that illegal immigrants bring over diseases into the United States that can effect the local population.
Indefinite denial of entry for those known to been involvement of serious crime involving drug trade, homicides, and serious assaults.
A more streamlined and simple approach to achieve citizenship, or at least permanent residency for those families who pay taxes.


Things I don't want to see regarding immigration


Open borders. Fuck that thought entirely.
Kicking out EVERY illegal immigrant.
Governmental Aid going to those who are undocumented.


Also, regarding the economic issue, while it's unethical for companies to do this, what an average worker receives here can be dramatically more than what he/she could earn in his/her home country, which is why they choose to stay and work at jobs that otherwise would be not wanted by a standard American citizen. While yes, it'd be nice for them to have better pay/benefits/working conditions, they're still doing better than they would back where they came from. That's kind of the price to pay if you're going to immigrate illegally.

And as a side note, I'd rather us solve our immigration issue sooner than later. We've got enough problems in our nation as it is already.

[Microcosm]

Things I'd like to see regarding immigration


Less drugs coming over the border, which fuels a lot of the problems facing Central/South America.
Less undocumented people coming over the border for pure health reasons. It's a well known fact that illegal immigrants bring over diseases into the United States that can effect the local population.
Indefinite denial of entry for those known to been involvement of serious crime involving drug trade, homicides, and serious assaults.
A more streamlined and simple approach to achieve citizenship, or at least permanent residency for those families who pay taxes.


Things I don't want to see regarding immigration


Open borders. Fuck that thought entirely.
Kicking out EVERY illegal immigrant.
Governmental Aid going to those who are undocumented.


Also, regarding the economic issue, while it's unethical for companies to do this, what an average worker receives here can be dramatically more than what he/she could earn in his/her home country, which is why they choose to stay and work at jobs that otherwise would be not wanted by a standard American citizen. While yes, it'd be nice for them to have better pay/benefits/working conditions, they're still doing better than they would back where they came from. That's kind of the price to pay if you're going to immigrate illegally.

And as a side note, I'd rather us solve our immigration issue sooner than later. We've got enough problems in our nation as it is already.

Open borders is an idea that is way too radical and wouldn't solve the problem so I agree there.

Kicking every single immigrant out of the country is also radical on the other side of the scale.

However, as is represented in the chart of my original jobs, immigrants take up many American jobs, and thus raise the unemployment level of native-born Americans. I'd suggest reading the first part of my response to Vlerchan above for more about my response to this.

[Vlerchan]

That wasn't what I meant.
I was directing that more at phuckphace.

[...] then when the immigrants left those jobs more Americans would be willing to step up and take them.

Thus, unemployment is lowered.
No. You're forgetting that removing the immigrants would reduce aggregate demand which would inhibit demand for labour. Immigration also has a insignificant impact on the proportion of people in jobs for that reason.

Also, I don't see how that would suppress wages, but perhaps that's something I don't know about economics.
Because illegals operate on illegal contracts outside the scope of mainstream economic relations their wages tend to be below the minimum mandated wage that might have occured otherwise and that undermines the wages of natives (and legal immigrants).

Don't we not want increased immigration????
I have no idea. Replacing Hispanics with Natives as suggested earlier in this post doesn't seem quite conductive to immigration. I'm making a generalised suggestion though regardless.

That just means there would be more Americans(not immigrants) left without jobs.
Lots of immigrants could return home.

I'm also quite confident that demand would reshuffle [towards industries the US has a comparative advantage in - though I still think certain crops would be retained]. But in the short-run I agree that some amount of natives would be put out of jobs.

[Microcosm]

I was directing that more at phuckphace.
Ah, okay.

No. You're forgetting that removing the immigrants would reduce aggregate demand which would inhibit demand for labour. Immigration also has a insignificant impact on the proportion of people in jobs for that reason.

When you say aggregate demand, do you mean aggregate demand for the products and services that are produced by the work that the immigrants do?

Because illegals operate on illegal contracts outside the scope of mainstream economic relations their wages tend to be below the minimum mandated wage that might have occured otherwise and that undermines the wages of natives (and legal immigrants).

Fair enough. That makes sense.

I have no idea. Replacing Hispanics with Natives as suggested earlier in this post doesn't seem quite conductive to immigration. I'm making a generalised suggestion though regardless.

My point in bringing that up was to say that once the illegal immigrants were taken out of the workforce by some sort of government protocol to crack down on them, then I don't see why replacing Hispanics with native-born Americans wouldn't be good for reducing the unemployment rate as it opens up new jobs for people to take that were previously occupied by immigrants. If the politicians are right, then people are desperate for jobs which provides an even greater argument towards why replacing Hispanics with native-born Americans would be practical and would help lower the unemployment rate.

Lots of immigrants could return home.

Yes, but we need to work on sending the illegal ones back home as it's against the law for them to be here in the first place.

I'm also quite confident that demand would reshuffle [towards industries the US has a comparative advantage in - though I still think certain crops would be retained]. But in the short-run I agree that some amount of natives would be put out of jobs.

Perhaps, but maybe not if the policy issued was not directed at general workers in the areas in which immigrants typically work, but rather was more directed towards just getting the illegal immigrants in particular out of those fields of work.

[Vlerchan]

When you say aggregate demand, do you mean aggregate demand for the products and services that are produced by the work that the immigrants do?
The term aggregate demand refers to the sum of consumption and investment and gvt. spending and exports less imports - but in this situation I'm more-so referring to just the consumption component

My point in bringing that up was to say that once the illegal immigrants were taken out of the workforce by some sort of government protocol to crack down on them, then I don't see why replacing Hispanics with native-born Americans wouldn't be good for reducing the unemployment rate as it opens up new jobs for people to take that were previously occupied by immigrants.
This sentence is quite long-winded and has left me somewhat confused.

I explained that removing the immigrants deflates aggregate demand and hampers job growth. That's the reason immigrants can't just be replaced 1-for-1.

Yes, but we need to work on sending the illegal ones back home as it's against the law for them to be here in the first place.
Lots of illegals work in agriculture if I remember correct.

It's also the case though that the illegals inflate the size - just like the legals do. So the argument offered in the OP also applies to people wanting to remove illegals.

Perhaps, but maybe not if the policy issued was not directed at general workers in the areas in which immigrants typically work, but rather was more directed towards just getting the illegal immigrants in particular out of those fields of work.
Well I don't believe that government should be directing which industries undergo growth.

It never ends well.

[Uniquemind]

I believe we need a compromise between all of these policies.


Build a wall across the entire border like the Berlin Wall, and also have extend down underground as well to prevent tunnels.


Create constant new national security jobs both on the Mexican border and on the northern Canadian border and have federal and state governments use eminent domain in the name of national security for this project.


The adopt a policy to welcome backround checked Mexican immigrants a special work Visa, with limited rights they need to fill the jobs Americans don't want.

If we need some government aid to help sponsor a program for both the building of a wall AND a friendly policy towards those that come here out of desperation and are good people with very small criminal records or out of desperation or are seeking exile from being a sex slave (actually very common for girls around the age of 9-10 to be working in brothels and pimped out even in the wilderness - reported by 60 minutes) they should have USA legal humanitarian protection.

It is an immigration problem, but it's also a humanitarian one and US politics is forgetting that.

The USA needs to realize it's in the best interest of national security to make sure Mexico and Canada do not become failed states, and the first step of that is seeing massive corruption in a government.

If you are a conspiracy theorist and you think the USA is a corrupt bureaucracy, you havent really taken a hard analytical look at Mexico.



As for those who are bad and illegally cross the border and have a criminal history, we should lock them up in USA jails, where their occupancy can fill jails and provide jobs for prison guards, and/or take a leaf out of dark history books and send them to hard labor til they break physically and mentally (Only for the worst of the worst characterized by Trump).

Stalin and Hitler did terrible things to innocent people, but I gotta admit they mastered an extremely efficient way of getting rid of undesirables. Immoral, but dark scientific genius nonetheless. It's why we know the correct temperature to incinerate biological hazards.


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Also I think Trump has been brash but some facts do back up his claims.

People have to be fair to that.


I am going to post a link with the crime reports and story (hope the mods don't mind delete it if it's a problem, thanks).

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/trump-under-fire-mexican-rapists-comments-he-isnt-wrong#.bafsq5:204Q

[phuckphace]

You've made a great point here. Based on what you said, it seems that a really good solution would be to raise wages on these currently low-paying and undesirable positions that are filled by immigrants so that Americans will want to take these jobs, then send the immigrants back where they came from and strictly restrict immigration policies.

Is this what you're proposing? I'm not sure if I'm receiving your response properly.

ding ding ding we have a winner

It's not perfect from a moral standpoint because these people are looking for better lives when they come to America.

it's actually just about the money. I can tell it is because of the typical immigrant's behavior following their arrival - Mexican immigrants in particular go straight to their own ethnic enclaves ("Mexico away from Mexico") and all areas with a significant Mexican population tend to be just as dumpy and tacky and run-down as things are back home. you've got the sweet old Abuelita who cooks and takes care of the youngest children while the older ones are out peddling drugs and going to jail. check your local police department's arrest records and make a tally every time you see a Gomez, Gonzalez, Hernandez, or Salamanca. as a general rule these people just want to keep living la vida loca as they always have, but on our wages.

you can take the prole out of the dump, but you can't take the dump out of the prole

cue shrieks of dispair from traitorous business owners: "Boo hoo now I'll have to hire an American and go broke paying him" :(

[Uniquemind]

Here's a question for a new debate.


How much of racism is really (new term here) culturalism?

It's not necessarily the color of skin in this case, it's the beliefs and tolerance of certain behaviors that culture A tolerates that culture B does not, to the point where insults fly and "tolerating each other in the American way" no longer work because the conflicting cultures are tied together by a public issue:

1. Property real estate land value (your house is nice, your neighbors is crap, therefore via proximity your home value suffers).

[Body odah Man]

Donald Trump has been making some pretty large claims about the migrants coming in from Mexico.



"And some, I assume, are good people."

So, how many exactly are good people? In order to stake a claim like "They're sending people that have lots of problems," you have to look at the effect that immigration from Mexico is actually having and what these people are doing once they get here. Now, here's a chart to put this in perspective(source provided below):

image (http://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/source_images/Spt-Mex2014-F4.png)

(Source: http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/mexican-immigrants-united-states)

This image might project to you just how much of an impact our economy would take from strict reforms on immigration from Trump. Keeping all or most immigrants out wouldn't really help us. However, the claim that it seems to cause unemployment to rise in Americans seems pretty solid. Now, check out this story of Alabama's HB 56 law that you may have heard about which attempted to solve the problem:



(Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2012-02-14/alabamas-immigration-law-could-cost-billions-annually)

Here's the issue: When the law was passed and many immigrants left the state and their "hard, dirty, low-paying jobs" there, the jobs weren't getting filled by Alabamians because they didn't want those jobs.



So, huge economic strife occurred. What does this teach us? Well, to put it bluntly, it would seem that we need the immigrants. They've become integrated into our economy. Donald Trump and republicans with this same goal in their immigration reform plans could seriously harm the American economy.

Now, we need a solution. I think he's right to some degree when he says that there are criminals coming in from Mexico with bad intentions. At first, you may think the answer would be something like a less difficult or demanding immigration test protocol for them to get in legally, but some may not pass this test because of their past life, but they would be coming in hopes of a better, new life. So, it's hard to say something like that is a direct solution.

Never-the-less, it seems certain that the immigration laws that are currently in place need changing if we want to filter out the bad and let in the good. What do you think? Share your thoughts below.

My longest ever friend and my best ever babysitter and nicest person I know are Mexican immigrants I believe. She's been super nice to me and I love her (the babysitter) and my friend went thru Europe with me and accepted my a social hiding in my room. How are those actions a 'menace to American society?' Trump is just the American version of Geert Wilders and it shows how fucked up our society is that people like him have a following.
Yeah, some immigrants are criminals, sure, but then again so are some Americans, Brits, Germans, Swedes, etc. etc. Every group has its criminal element. In general, Trump's a racist idiot who somehow can bluff his way through being called out for it.
As for the economic situation, yeah we need those immigrants. They do the jobs which no1 else wants to do, yet which really are necessary for the American life and society. (Sources: lived thirteen years in America)

[DoodleSnap]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Trump is attention whoring with these comments, because a) he knows he can get away with it because he's loaded and b) because he's loaded he can afford to live far away from any dirty immigrants, so far away that he won't even have to look at them from the window of his limo. in other words he couldn't care less about anything except his pallets of gold. reminder: Trump has "run for president" a few times. HEY, DID YOU GUYS HEAR DONALD TRUMP IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!?

anyway back to ye olde immigration topic, it's not that Americans don't want jobs, it's that they don't want jobs that pay chicken-shit wages with no benefits. immigrants accept poverty-level wages from greedy corporations & governments, thus keeping them suppressed for everybody and also contribute heavily to crime rates. poverty is strongly correlated with crime, so importing millions of additional future inmates and welfare recipients makes absolutely no sense from the "let's not fuck up our society" standpoint.

there's also no need to bother sorting through the immigrant pile to find the few half-decent ones when as a country our focus should be on our own populace and how to better its condition. there are plenty of reforms to labor we could make that would actually help fix the problem instead of serving the status quo. importing criminally inclined lumpenproles to patch up the shortfalls of a broken system is akin to trying to fix a broken toilet by eating spoiled burritos and then taking a massive shit. not only is it still broke, you've now made it even worse.
That analogy though :P
I think that short term, we shouldn't be deporting people, considering the ridiculous cost of it, but longer-term changes to economic policy, intervention into corporate business, and the criminalisation of drugs are what is needed.
*insert end to shitty copout answer here*

[phuckphace]

I'm guessing that deporting them would cost a lot less than it does to keep them here and expend extra to clean up their messes

the thing about corporate greed is that they save money in the short term by exploiting immigrant labor but socialize the high cost on the rest of society. CEOs live in gated communities & don't have to worry about the social effects of dumping millions of surly, criminally inclined proles into our neighborhoods.

[Karkat]

Tl;dr: Americans need to stop being lazy slackers and grow a pair

But this can be said for most American problems.

[phuckphace]

after coming across Trump's Twitter feed (lmao check it out) and following his "campaign" a bit I gotta say I've had a change of heart toward the guy. he's apparently not whoring for attention and really does mean what he's saying. not only is Trump trolling the shit out of the pseudocon contenders and making them squirm, the mainstream media is flipping the fuck out every time he says something which is a really promising sign.

he's not going to win, of course, and even if he did I doubt much would really change aside from maybe stricter immigration controls & whatnot. it's theoretically possible that he could be literally phuckphace IRL and is legitimately trying to use his influence for the greater good. a very rare trait, especially in someone so megalomaniacal, so I have my doubts. guess we'll see, at the very least he'll egg the faces of the GOP for the imbecilic traitors they are

[jessie3]

Si él quiere seguir hablando de nosotros los Mexicanos así, entonces el puede ocuparse de con El Chapo con eso puto boca. Nos quedamos aquí mucho antes de su pueblo llegaron a través del océano. América no sería América sin nosotros. Los Mexicanos no son todos los criminales al igual que no todas las personas de raza blanca son criminales también. No necesitamos un payaso a la presidencia

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If you can't understand what i said here it is in English-

If he wants to keep talking about us Mexicans like that then he can go deal with El Chapo ( A Powerful Mexican Drug Lord ) with that fucking mouth. We where here long before his people came across the ocean. America wouldn't be America if it wasn't for us. We Mexicans are not all criminals just like not all white people are criminals. We don't need a clown for president.

[Sir Suomi]

We where here long before his people came across the ocean.

Actually, what you would consider the standard "Mexican" is really a mix of Spaniards and the indigenous population. It's incorrect to say that an average Mexican has "been here way before" than Americans.


America wouldn't be America if it wasn't for us.

Yes, I do appreciate having more states thanks to that little fiasco in the 1840's ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) *

But no on a serious thought, while I can't deny that Central American influence has had impacts on what we see as America today, especially in our southern regions, it'd be hard to say that. Most of our greatest minds, inventors, and leaders happened to be those of European ancestry.

*sarcasm

[phuckphace]

Si él quiere seguir hablando de nosotros los Mexicanos así, entonces el puede ocuparse de con El Chapo con eso puto boca. Nos quedamos aquí mucho antes de su pueblo llegaron a través del océano. América no sería América sin nosotros. Los Mexicanos no son todos los criminales al igual que no todas las personas de raza blanca son criminales también. No necesitamos un payaso a la presidencia

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If you can't understand what i said here it is in English-

If he wants to keep talking about us Mexicans like that then he can go deal with El Chapo ( A Powerful Mexican Drug Lord ) with that fucking mouth. We where here long before his people came across the ocean. America wouldn't be America if it wasn't for us. We Mexicans are not all criminals just like not all white people are criminals. We don't need a clown for president.

HEY IF YOU GRINGOS DON'T LET US INVADE YOUR COUNTRY, OUR FAVORITE BLOODTHIRSTY GANGBANGER WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT IT

:lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

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[jessie3]

HEY IF YOU GRINGOS DON'T LET US INVADE YOUR COUNTRY, OUR FAVORITE BLOODTHIRSTY GANGBANGER WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT IT

:lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

youonlyhadtolisten.jpg

If this was your attempt at a joke you failed miserably tbh pinche idiota, but In response to that i'm not saying that we should all fucking go into America only the one's who will do good things for it.

[phuckphace]

Actually, what you would consider the standard "Mexican" is really a mix of Spaniards and the indigenous population. It's incorrect to say that an average Mexican has "been here way before" than Americans.

Yes, I do appreciate having more states thanks to that little fiasco in the 1840's ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) *

But no on a serious thought, while I can't deny that Central American influence has had impacts on what we see as America today, especially in our southern regions, it'd be hard to say that. Most of our greatest minds, inventors, and leaders happened to be those of European ancestry.

*sarcasm

Despite that extra-official sources estimate the modern white population of Mexico to be only 9-16%, in genetic studies Mexico consistently shows a European admixture comparable to countries that report white populations of 52% - 77% (in the case of Chile and Costa Rica, who average 51%[46] & 60%[47] European admixture respectively, while studies in the general Mexican population have found European ancestry ranging from 56%[48] going to 60%,[49] 64%[50] and up to 78%[51]).

so Mexicans are mostly conquistadors with a few Mayan girlfriends thrown into the mix like a spoonful of cocoa added to white cake batter. better luck next time

[Horatio Nelson]

Let's keep this thread on topic and avoid making this into a bash-fest. Posts have been deleted.