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phuckphace
July 13th, 2015, 08:37 AM
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great harlot, who sits by many waters. With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her fornications."

Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her fornications. The name written on her forehead was a mystery:

BABYLON THE GREAT

MOTHER OF HARLOTS

AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

a Biblical prophecy predicting the fall of the Roman Empire, written when Rome was still very much alive and believed itself to be invincible. of course even then you didn't need to be a prophet or even good at making predictions to know that the Empire was due for a collapse - the warning signs were all around you. widespread social decay and unrest, sexual degeneracy given free reign, and near-abandonment of ancient mores & traditions all pointed to a critically weakened society that was left in a vulnerable state.

uh oh...

After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. With a mighty voice he shouted:

“ ‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’
She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her fornications.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”

Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

“ ‘Come out of her, my people,’
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes.
Give back to her as she has given;
pay her back double for what she has done.
Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
Give her as much torment and grief
as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts,
‘I sit enthroned as queen.
I am not a widow;
I will never mourn.’
Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.

double uh-oh. it's almost like I live in a modern-day moribund empire that likes to beat its chest in a eerily similar manner while polluting the entire world with its trash culture.

“When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:

“ ‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,

you mighty city of Babylon!

In one hour your doom has come!’

“The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore— cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves.

“They will say, ‘The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your luxury and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.’ The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn and cry out:

“ ‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,

dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet,

and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls!

In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!’

not even the free market could fix that one

Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said:

“With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again. The music of harpists and musicians, pipers and trumpeters, will never be heard in you again. No worker of any trade will ever be found in you again. The sound of a millstone will never be heard in you again. The light of a lamp will never shine in you again. The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again. Your merchants were the world’s important people. By your magic spell all the nations were led astray. In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”

aaaaand I think that one pretty much speaks for itself.

we all know what happened to Rome. civil wars, famines, and as usually happens when things get out of hand, the Germans showed up. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_%28410%29) notably however, by that point the Decline had already advanced so far that Rome was no longer the capital of...well, Rome.

tl;dr - best start believing in societal declines, you're in one

Sir Suomi
July 13th, 2015, 12:30 PM
America in my opinion is a modern day Roman Empire. And just like with the Romans we've reached the end of our Pax Romana and the Dark Ages are soon to follow.

Just IMO.

Vlerchan
July 13th, 2015, 12:42 PM
This seems somewhat unscientific.

Hudor
July 13th, 2015, 01:06 PM
I agree with you to some extent. In many ways we are going back to our old ways of prehistoric times when we were still savages. Except we have much more lethal weapons now. The societal decline though, in my opinion, is a lesser evil compared to the environmental degradation we are causing. Awareness is one thing but if we try to, can we even stop it?

ndrwmxwll
July 13th, 2015, 01:12 PM
eh. more akin the breakup of yugoslavia. balkanization.

Stronk Serb
July 13th, 2015, 05:00 PM
It doesn't take a really smart guy to know an empire would fall. Just ask the rednecks in the sixties and they'd tell you the USSR was bound to collapse but couldn't specify why. So would the Serbs say about the Ottoman empire, even though it fell 459 years after they conquered us, and we got free from them 430 years after their conquest. Empires fall and rise. When they reach their height, the only possible direction to go is down.

DoodleSnap
July 13th, 2015, 08:19 PM
Meh. Everything changes, entrepy dictates that.
Being happy is not altering everything around you to stay constant, as that will never work.
Happiness is being able to be comfortable in the impermanence of your surroundings, and accepting the change, whether for one man's good, or the other's bad.
For we are all a transient phase of the endless sustenance of everything, and to something on a greater scale of time, are a blink of life - imperceptible.
Basically, everything falls and breaks down eventually.