Utopia

[Left Now]

Well first of anything,hi!

As the title says I want to talk about this thing "Utopia",or as we call it "Arman-Shar" (Dream Land),but of course I do not mean Utopia itself,but literally somewhere that seems better than one's own place.

What is the point in it?I mean you surely have heard that many people usually complain about the conditions of their own countries or lands and when asked they usually say if they had any chance,they would surely abandon their country and live somewhere else,but seriously it does not make sense!

I mean you can never find a Utopia anywhere right?Just places where temporarily are better than your own places whicn might even have worse futures than one's own homeland despite their current "Platin Times".

Actually I do not mean people who just simply like to live somewhere else because of routine reasons,but people who disgust their own homes and think that it is a,I am very very very sorrh for using this word,"Shit Hole" and life is all difficult there and it is just the worst place in the world,so they can use it as an execuse to abandon their lands only because life conditions are DIFFICULT there.Why not just stay and try to make conditions better?Why such COWARDICE?

This is one of the reasons that I do not get along with many 1st G immigrants well.These people just literally think about themselves and not the life that they owe it to the air which they breath and the water that they drank and the firm soil that they stayed on in their own countries.I just see it as a Clear Sign of Irresponsibility.

[Microcosm]

I agree with you on the idea that things will not really get better forever if you move to a promising location.

People thought America was the great land of the free when they first migrated over, but did it really last forever? Will it continue? That's debatable, but I'm just using it as an example.

People have tried to come up with ideas for what a "Utopia" would look like and pretty much all of them have come to fall. Communism sounded pretty great in theory to a lot of people, but, in practice, it simply didn't work. That isn't to say we couldn't learn from these experiences and it is no justification to outright write away the idea just yet, but it's a good indication that a full-on Communist government wouldn't work in today's world. Again, just using this as an example. Whether you agree with me on this or not, the theory behind it seems pretty clear: people's ideas for Utopian governments don't last forever.

Eventually, unique problems will arise and there will no longer be any Utopia, but was it really a Utopia to begin with if it only came to fall?

[Left Now]

I agree with you on the idea that things will not really get better forever if you move to a promising location.

People thought America was the great land of the free when they first migrated over, but did it really last forever? Will it continue? That's debatable, but I'm just using it as an example.

People have tried to come up with ideas for what a "Utopia" would look like and pretty much all of them have come to fall. Communism sounded pretty great in theory to a lot of people, but, in practice, it simply didn't work. That isn't to say we couldn't learn from these experiences and it is no justification to outright write away the idea just yet, but it's a good indication that a full-on Communist government wouldn't work in today's world. Again, just using this as an example. Whether you agree with me on this or not, the theory behind it seems pretty clear: people's ideas for Utopian governments don't last forever.

Eventually, unique problems will arise and there will no longer be any Utopia, but was it really a Utopia to begin with if it only came to fall?

Yes,that exactly 45 percents of the thing which I wanted to say,but my main point was that why people always look for a completely already ready Utopia to get in it and not try to make one themselves?

[Hudor]

My main point was that why people always look for a completely already ready Utopia to get in it and not try to make one themselves?

In my opinion, people seek the easy way out generally. The people seeking a ready-made Utopia would probably not realize it for what it is even if they found it because the ideal state, i think, would be the one in which everyone uses their potential to the fullest and not a place where we get everything without effort. The simplest route seems to be to seek out an existing Utopia rather than make efforts to build one.

[Left Now]

In my opinion, people seek the easy way out generally. The people seeking a ready-made Utopia would probably not realize it for what it is even if they found it because the ideal state, i think, would be the one in which everyone uses their potential to the fullest and not a place where we get everything without effort. The simplest route seems to be to seek out an existing Utopia rather than make efforts to build one.

Exactly.

[DoodleSnap]

The concept of Utopia is an oxymoron. The introduction of sentient life that has spawned from different inputs and influences, and thus has different views and perspectives, immediately corrupts the concept of unified perfection.
But reduced to objective standards, what more is a Utopia than endless sustenance of harmony and unification on all fronts?

[Left Now]

The concept of Utopia is an oxymoron. The introduction of sentient life that has spawned from different inputs and influences, and thus has different views and perspectives, immediately corrupts the concept of unified perfection.
But reduced to objective standards, what more is a Utopia than endless sustenance of harmony and unification on all fronts?

For me no Utopia actually exists.It just is this world,make it better and better.

[DoodleSnap]

For me no Utopia actually exists.It just is this world,make it better and better.
I agree. Utopia can only be found from a state of mind: to be comfortable and content with the perceived flaws in this world. To see the beauty of our world, and to be comfortable in its impermanence: that is Utopia.

[Left Now]

I agree. Utopia can only be found from a state of mind: to be comfortable and content with the perceived flaws in this world. To see the beauty of our world, and to be comfortable in its impermanence: that is Utopia.

:yeah:

[Primenumber]

Well first of anything,hi!

As the title says I want to talk about this thing "Utopia",or as we call it "Arman-Shar" (Dream Land),but of course I do not mean Utopia itself,but literally somewhere that seems better than one's own place.

What is the point in it?I mean you surely have heard that many people usually complain about the conditions of their own countries or lands and when asked they usually say if they had any chance,they would surely abandon their country and live somewhere else,but seriously it does not make sense!

I mean you can never find a Utopia anywhere right?Just places where temporarily are better than your own places whicn might even have worse futures than one's own homeland despite their current "Platin Times".

Actually I do not mean people who just simply like to live somewhere else because of routine reasons,but people who disgust their own homes and think that it is a,I am very very very sorrh for using this word,"Shit Hole" and life is all difficult there and it is just the worst place in the world,so they can use it as an execuse to abandon their lands only because life conditions are DIFFICULT there.Why not just stay and try to make conditions better?Why such COWARDICE?

This is one of the reasons that I do not get along with many 1st G immigrants well.These people just literally think about themselves and not the life that they owe it to the air which they breath and the water that they drank and the firm soil that they stayed on in their own countries.I just see it as a Clear Sign of Irresponsibility.

I do agree that there is no utopia, however, there is no perfect balance and equality either, and the quality of life differs across the world. I am an immigrant, i immigrated for the reasons that people usually immigrate from reasonably rich countries to other, richer countries (more money, stability, job etc.) as well as for personal/emotional reasons. I do not consider seeking a better life for yourself and your family an act of cowardice or ignorance, as long as you live according to the established rules of that country.
I do not want to mix patriotism into this as i do not know my true place on the map. My home is where my family is.
I do agree that you should seek to make things better instead of giving up on them, but then again, sometimes immigrating is an act of making things better for your family.
We are all inhabitants of this world, and should be able to work together and contribute to making it a better place, wherever we are. But then again, that would be utopia :/.

[Left Now]

I do agree that there is no utopia, however, there is no perfect balance and equality either, and the quality of life differs across the world. I am an immigrant, i immigrated for the reasons that people usually immigrate from reasonably rich countries to other, richer countries (more money, stability, job etc.) as well as for personal/emotional reasons. I do not consider seeking a better life for yourself and your family an act of cowardice or ignorance, as long as you live according to the established rules of that country.
I do not want to mix patriotism into this as i do not know my true place on the map. My home is where my family is.
I do agree that you should seek to make things better instead of giving up on them, but then again, sometimes immigrating is an act of making things better for your family.
We are all inhabitants of this world, and should be able to work together and contribute to making it a better place, wherever we are. But then again, that would be utopia :/.

Actually you are not a 1st G immigrant,because your whole family have migrated where you are right now,so it makes you a 2st G immigrant.

Anyway I was not talking about migrants who have migrated from a rich country to another richer,I am talking about those who just think anywhere else is better than their own and give themselves this right to leave only because the trouble has hit their country.

I am not a patriot myself and to be honest,hate it!The least thing which I want is to be proud of the things which I myself have not done.I just am saying that we owe our life to the land that we have been raised in,everyone does.The least thing which we could do is to make it better,not leave it only because life has become difficult in that time or a trouble has hit.

I call this Cowardice.

[Stronk Serb]

Sometimes it's because it's controlled by factors those same people leaving have no control of. We have refugees here from the Middle East, mostly from Syria. I think they swapped one shithole (their wartorn country) for another (Serbia). They cannot work here even though they would work harder, that's nobody would hire them because most Serbs are xenophobes. Also they get conned in most places, be it a taxi driver, a guy at the exchange office or in a retail store. Their best bet is the EU, for those who can and are willing to work at least. I mean, they wouldn't swap shitholes if they didn't have to. Now for native Serbs, why we leave? Rigged elections, unconstitutional rule, hard living which is almost impossible to improve and the worst- our political consciousness is nonexistent.