Racist Singer who says that she hates America and its fat White people get a free pas [Archive]

Rayquaza

July 11th, 2015, 06:30 AM

I don't understand why everyone is so pissy at Ariana Grande. She released 2 apologies, the second of which was probably the most sincere in my opinion. But not even that, she's only 22. Of course she's going to do stupid shit like that. No one really gave two shits when Justin Bieber did even worse things and people justified it with his age, and Ariana Grande has done so much support-wise. She has done good things. She had no idea the video was being recorded. I think it's bullshit to start leaping on her over something so unbelievably stupid. She hasn't taken advantage of anyone, she hasn't put anyone in danger, and the behaviour she did could easily be rectified for paying for the donut. Why should people go out of their way to "Boycott Ariana Grande" when there are far bigger issues to deal with and wider issues to Boycott. You really want to boycott some 22 year old for licking a donut? Or saying "it's fat white people?" God bless y'all. People have said way more insulting words.

Abhorrence

July 11th, 2015, 06:57 AM

Wait Ariana Grande is black?

phuckphace

July 11th, 2015, 09:00 AM

It's almost sad to see how fast people are willing to forgive her though.

she doesn't actually need to be forgiven for anything. these comments are well within the scope of free speech and should be shrugged off

BUT

I do agree that the SJW-Left is inconsistent with the free speech thing. if I were famous irl (only forum-famous atm) and said something like "I'm sick of seeing all these fat beaners waddling around peddling drugs and taking our jobs" I'd be in deep shit, unable to make money and be shunned by many, including a fair number of white people who will jump at the opportunity to show how not-racist they are

tl;dr I don't give a fuck what some pop singer says or thinks about anything. I just want to heil Hitler and keep my job

DriveAlive

July 11th, 2015, 10:06 AM

she doesn't actually need to be forgiven for anything. these comments are well within the scope of free speech and should be shrugged off

BUT

I do agree that the SJW-Left is inconsistent with the free speech thing. if I were famous irl (only forum-famous atm) and said something like "I'm sick of seeing all these fat beaners waddling around peddling drugs and taking our jobs" I'd be in deep shit, unable to make money and be shunned by many, including a fair number of white people who will jump at the opportunity to show how not-racist they are

tl;dr I don't give a fuck what some pop singer says or thinks about anything. I just want to heil Hitler and keep my job

Unless of course you are Trump, in which case those comments would boost your popularity

Babs

July 11th, 2015, 10:45 AM

Since when was she black?

Horatio Nelson

July 11th, 2015, 11:07 AM

VTDC :arrow: ROTW

As this isn't a news article.

Microcosm

July 11th, 2015, 12:18 PM

tl;dr I don't give a fuck what some pop singer says or thinks about anything. I just want to heil Hitler and keep my job

Pretty much this. I'd rather idolize someone of actual importance that has some degree of wisdom than a pop singer with a great deal of charisma who can convince teens that her "fun" lifestyle is so wonderful.

I don't keep up with celebrities so I have no clue really what's going on, but I'd like to keep it that way.

Uniquemind

July 11th, 2015, 12:32 PM

lyhom

July 11th, 2015, 02:09 PM

Taylor Swift are pretty cool.

lmfaoooooo

anyways don't really give a shit about this tbh, the doughnut licking/spitting/whatever the hell it was was weird whether or not she bought them or not, but at the end of the day she's some random kid I don't know who happens to sing some songs or something

also lol at the op

Semi_IronMan

July 11th, 2015, 02:24 PM

Since when was she black?

I'd also like to know

Plane And Simple

July 11th, 2015, 03:27 PM

Let's keep this peaceful and not turn it into a "I hate her so much" thread please.

Uniquemind

July 11th, 2015, 05:02 PM

Also I don't hate her.

This issue is ridiculous as is.

#firstworldproblems

liptonlee

July 12th, 2015, 08:58 AM

she's italian yes but black...really?

and i never manage to hear her lyrics anyway

Uniquemind

July 13th, 2015, 05:24 AM

To be fair she's not getting off Scott-free because she's facing tons of PR backlash.

DoodleSnap

July 13th, 2015, 08:04 PM

Pretty much this. I'd rather idolize someone of actual importance that has some degree of wisdom than a pop singer with a great deal of charisma who can convince teens that her "fun" lifestyle is so wonderful.

I don't keep up with celebrities so I have no clue really what's going on, but I'd like to keep it that way.
^^^Pretty much this. I don't care too much for ignorant, but famous people.
If they say something of this sort they probably aren't worth listening to.
But for the record, I don't think that white people are necessarily unprotected, but I guess that they have more societal privileges than the other ethnic groups, and are often the perpetrators of racism. Statistically, white people are more likely to commit hate crimes than any other ethnic group in the United States:
Victims and Perpetrators

In 1996, the FBI received reports of 10,706 hate crimes from State and
local law enforcement agencies, involving 11,039 victims, and 10,021
known perpetrators. The crimes included 12 murders, 10 forcible rapes,
1,444 aggravated assaults, 1,762 simple assaults, and 4,130 acts of
intimidation.

Among the known perpetrators, 66 percent were white, and 20 percent
were black. Some perpetrators commit hate crimes with their peers as a
"thrill" or while under the influence of drugs or alcohol; some as a
reaction against a perceived threat or to preserve their "turf'; and some
who out of resentment over the growing economic power of a particular
racial or ethnic group engage in scapegoating.
- http://www.justice.gov/crs/hate-crime
Therefore, PoC, who are statistically more likely to have racially motivated hate crimes directed towards them, therefore need more protection in society.
And as Uniquemind said, she didn't get away completely free, as she has had a decent backlash.

Allbutanillusion

July 17th, 2015, 02:07 PM

I have not had the opportunity to read the responses but I will add this for consideration.

Here are a couple of news stories that I am willing to bet that you never heard of, yet if a white person propagated / disseminate these following ideas of thought /comments towards non white individuals ..that would be the end of their career, at the very least .

And what is equally disturbing and make you question who the true racist are is .

we have entertainer Jamie Foxx making racist comments at the NAACP Image Awards and a predominantly black audience applauding his statement. tell me, what’s worse? and once again just like Ariana Grande he get a free pass because he is non white/ a minority .

All I can say is I’m so humbled tonight. I was thinking about all the stuff that I was going to say personally about myself, and I was gonna be all about me and how I did it, and how me and me and I and I, and then you watch Harry Belafonte and Sidney Poitier come out, and you say to yourself it’s really not big of a deal of what you are doing just yet.

I have so many things I wanted to say, but after watching and listening to Harry Belafonte speak, sometimes I feel like somehow I failed a little bit in being caught up in what I do, or maybe that’s the young generation, and that’s what it is. But I guarantee you that I’m going to work a whole lot harder man.

Black people are the most talented people in the world. I, it’s, I can’t explain it. You can’t sit in this room and not watch Gladys Knight sing and go like, “Golly, what in the world?

The saddest part about this is that a double-standard exists. Jamie Foxx will not come under criticism for making such a remark. It’s even worse since this was said on the heels of his SNL performance in which he said of his role in Django, “I get free. I save my wife and I kill all the white people in the movie. How great is that?” But nobody, with the exception of people like me, who stands up for what is right, will take issue with it.

We all know would happen to the white person who took a role where they killed all the black people in a movie and then bragged about it later saying, “I save my wife and I kill all the black people in the movie. How great is that?” And then later saying, “White people are the most talented people in the world. I, it’s, I can’t explain it. You can’t sit in this room and not watch Adele sing and go like, “Golly, what in the world?” We all know that would be the end of that person’s career. But Jamie Foxx says it and not a peep.

Equality is either a two-way street, or it is not. Racism is either a two way street, or it is not. And sadly, America is turning into a one way street in which inequality and racism for one race( the white race) is not only tolerated, it is accepted and applauded.

White people really need to start growing a pair balls, a big pair and stop buying into this anti white propaganda that is being disseminated . Blaming the whites for everything that is wrong with society. Stop allowing yourself to be indocinated with anti white, bigoted guilt trips that are taught, pathetically so in our educational systems.

Stronk Serb

July 18th, 2015, 01:24 AM

Who the heck is she

Karkat

July 18th, 2015, 01:32 AM

Allbutanillusion

September 10th, 2015, 04:40 PM

"The unprotected class" excuse me while I laugh my ass off.

That's because white people don't NEED protection.

Simple as that. White people have made every 'protected class' their doormat and most don't really give a fuck about it. Cause they white. They don't need to care.

Generally I don't respond to LOL because by responding that way you have already have proven your intellectual inferiority/ ignorance. As in this case everything you say is lined with bias/ anti white bigotry / ignorance. I don't have time to address your nonsense but take freedom of speech for example. I know that most of you will say that the racist statement that Jamie Foxx made about killing white people was freedom of speech.

ell me then why is it then if a white person says anything short of praise of a non white person.. it isn't freedom of speech or just an opinion but people are screaming racism. I will tell you why because white people have lost the freedom of speech years ago...how hypocritical and pathetic is that. And you have just enough dumb white people.. to not contest it but rather buy into and promote the white guilt crap..,which is being taught in our schools.
Which is racist within of itself. To say that there is too many white people in the audience and a awards show is racist..how can I say that well put it to the racist test.....reverse the races to find out if something is racist or not. if it was applied to any other group that white people ...their would be an uproar of people screaming racism and looking to sue. But because the comment was direct toward white people..nothing but crickets.

I said it white people have got to start waking up..taking the blinders off......

Anti-white Racism in America: The Reality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtRXzjYp8rM)

I know that some of you won't bother to watch the video and I know some knucklehead will try to use straw man arguments to defend or justify the actions of non white people/black people in the video. But that is all it will be...a straw man argument and nothing more.

Karkat

September 10th, 2015, 04:46 PM

Generally I don't respond to LOL because by responding that way you have already have proven your intellectual inferiority/ ignorance. As in this case everything you say is lined with bias/ anti white bigotry / ignorance. I don't have time to address your nonsense but take freedom of speech for example. I know that most of you will say that the racist statement that Jamie Foxx made about killing white people was freedom of speech.

ell me then why is it then if a white person says anything short of praise of a non white person.. it isn't freedom of speech or just an opinion but people are screaming racism. I will tell you why because white people have lost the freedom of speech years ago...how hypocritical and pathetic is that. And you have just enough dumb white people.. to not contest it buy into and promote the white guilt crap..,which is being taught in our schools.
Which is racist with in of itself. To say that there is too many white people in the audience and a awards show is racist..how can I say that well put it to the racist test.....reverse the races to find out if something is racist or not. if it was applied to any other group that white people ...their would be an uproar of people screaming racism and looking to sue. But because the comment was direct toward white people..nothing but crickets.

I said it white people have got to start waking up..taking the blinders off......

Anti-white Racism in America: The Reality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtRXzjYp8rM)

I'm sorry, but you're delusional.

For one thing, I AM WHITE.

Yes, I'm mixed race, but I'm lightskinned, and people literally make stupid ass comments about it all the time.

I don't hate white people, I hate how entitled they can be sometimes- and this is exhibit A. Lmao.

Edit: Also this "intellectual inferiority" you accuse me of... THAT would be blatant racism. Not anyone who isn't white getting irritated at white people because they've got it easy. That's not even CLOSE to racism.

mattsmith48

September 10th, 2015, 05:14 PM

Boycott Ariana Grande!!! Don't buy her products/Music!!

I agree with that not because shes racist but because her music is terrible

Miserabilia

September 11th, 2015, 10:54 AM

lol?

Ariana grande is black? or hispanic?

tbh most american "black" people don't look black at all

beyonce looks like a tan white chick

Emerald Dream

September 11th, 2015, 02:08 PM

I agree with that not because shes racist but because her music is terrible

A "cause" I can finally get behind, thank you.

Allbutanillusion

September 16th, 2015, 12:29 PM

I'm sorry, but you're delusional.

For one thing, I AM WHITE.

Yes, I'm mixed race, but I'm lightskinned, and people literally make stupid ass comments about it all the time.

I don't hate white people, I hate how entitled they can be sometimes- and this is exhibit A. Lmao.

Edit: Also this "intellectual inferiority" you accuse me of... THAT would be blatant racism. Not anyone who isn't white getting irritated at white people because they've got it easy. That's not even CLOSE to racism.

I find it humorous that you keep proving your ignorance through your lack of intellectual arguments but rather you attempt to to attack me. I am delusional... are you really that stupid..so your saying that the comment that has been made at a couple of awards shows this year...that there are too many white people in the audience ..is not racist..or at the very least bigoted. How is it not bigoted...do tell! That proofs my point how society is being conditioned to accept bigoted toward white people or more specifically white males.( and everyone here knows I am correct...unless you have already subscribed to the white guilt crap ) Like I have stated before...Equality is either a two-way street, or it is not. Racism is either a two way street, or it is not. And sadly, America is turning into a one way street in which inequality and racism for one race( the white race) is not only tolerated, it is accepted and applauded.

If you are going to make the claim that you are fighting against racism...fight it all across the board ( so to speak rather) than just cherry picking/selectively who to fight against racism/bigotry for or you yourself must be a bigot/racist.

I have noticed how oddly silent everyone is about the video that I shared..that is because people fear critizing any non white person.. no one says what is portrayed in the video is wrong because of fear of fallout/ being called a racist despite what is portrayed is criminal activities...hate crimes against white people. yet it is open season to demonize white people... how truly pathetic and hypocritical is that?!

Red text is only to be used by Staff members. Edited it out :)
~Plane And Simple

Vlerchan

September 16th, 2015, 01:02 PM

I have noticed how oddly silent everyone is about the video that I shared..
I don't think that posting clippings of black people demonstrating anti-white sentiment - and in a lot of cases it's no full demonstration - is evidence that some systematic issue exists. Like sure - that's awful. But when I argue that racism against black people exists I point to issues where through forces economic, institutional or otherwise black people find themselves recurrently the victims of discrimination.

That's just not the case for white people in the US. Black people might say some mean things, sometimes inflict violence, and that's awful, but it no manner do white people find themselves systematically marginalised on even the most minute level. You produce verifiable evidence - and I would prefer a peer-reviewed study as opposed to some video -that demonstrates that this is the case and I might debate the issue at large.

But I'm not going to bother when the opposition argument consists of little more than handpicked examples.

Allbutanillusion

September 16th, 2015, 01:27 PM

I don't think that posting clippings of black people demonstrating anti-white sentiment - and in a lot of cases it's no full demonstration - is evidence that some systematic issue exists. Like sure - that's awful. But when I argue that racism against black people exists I point to issues where through forces economic, institutional or otherwise black people find themselves recurrently the victims of discrimination.

That's just not the case for white people in the US. Black people might say some mean things, sometimes inflict violence, and that's awful, but it no manner do white people find themselves systematically marginalised on even the most minute level. You produce verifiable evidence - and I would prefer a peer-reviewed study as opposed to some video -that demonstrates that this is the case and I might debate the issue at large.

But I'm not going to bother when the opposition argument consists of little more than handpicked examples.

Hmmmm, well let me inquire..why is it then that when someone makes claims against white people, no mater how distorted or ridiculous that claim is a video similar to the one that I shared seems significant and all of these liberal white guys( many who are in this forum) get their panties in a bunch as to compensate for their micro penises/endowment...as to make themselves feel better about themselves.

Also let me ask.. do you disagree with the statement...Equality is either a two-way street, or it is not. Racism is either a two way street, or it is not. If you cherry pick incidence of racism because it advances your agenda or doctrine ( demonizing white people)while intentionally ignore other incidents of racism perpetrated toward another race are you not bigoted yourself and can you really call your cause and cause to end racism.

If you're in America looking for racist non-white people and don't find them, it's because you are deliberately not seeing them.

A word of caution.......Be careful when
you blindly follow the Masses...
sometimes the 'M' is silent.

Vlerchan

September 16th, 2015, 01:45 PM

Hmmmm, well let me inquire..why is it then that when someone makes claims against white people, no mater how distorted or ridiculous that claim is a video similar to the one that I shared seems significant and all of these liberal white guys( many who are in this forum) get their panties in a bunch as to compensate for their micro penises/endowment...as to make themselves feel better about themselves.
I don't care if other people make use of fallacious reasoning too.

Equality is either a two-way street, or it is not.
Sure, that's a definitional aspect.

Racism is either a two way street, or it is not. If you cherry pick incidence of racism because it advances your agenda or doctrine ( demonizing white people)while intentionally ignore other incidents of racism perpetrated toward another race are you not bigoted yourself and can you really call your cause and cause to end racism.
I discussed my hierarchy of concerns in the last post I produced.

EDIT: tl;dr: it's awful but insubstantial.

phuckphace

September 16th, 2015, 04:04 PM

I suppose the masses of "disadvantaged" EBT-holding whites I deal with every day at work aren't a thing.

Vlerchan

September 16th, 2015, 04:10 PM

I suppose the masses of "disadvantaged" EBT-holding whites I deal with every day at work aren't a thing.
It's not an issue steeped in race - no.

phuckphace

September 16th, 2015, 04:20 PM

It's not an issue steeped in race - no.

it looked like you were claiming that whites being systematically disadvantaged in any great number simply doesn't happen.

Vlerchan

September 16th, 2015, 04:27 PM

it looked like you were claiming that whites being systematically disadvantaged in any great number simply doesn't happen.
Sorry. I thought it might be clear without elaboration because of the context.

It doesn't happen because white people are white is what I meant.

Karkat

September 17th, 2015, 01:06 AM

I find it humorous that you keep proving your ignorance through your lack of intellectual arguments but rather you attempt to to attack me. I am delusional... are you really that stupid..so your saying that the comment that has been made at a couple of awards shows this year...that there are too many white people in the audience ..is not racist..or at the very least bigoted. How is it not bigoted...do tell! That proofs my point how society is being conditioned to accept bigoted toward white people or more specifically white males.( and everyone here knows I am correct...unless you have already subscribed to the white guilt crap ) Like I have stated before...Equality is either a two-way street, or it is not. Racism is either a two way street, or it is not. And sadly, America is turning into a one way street in which inequality and racism for one race( the white race) is not only tolerated, it is accepted and applauded.

If you are going to make the claim that you are fighting against racism...fight it all across the board ( so to speak rather) than just cherry picking/selectively who to fight against racism/bigotry for or you yourself must be a bigot/racist.

I have noticed how oddly silent everyone is about the video that I shared..that is because people fear critizing any non white person.. no one says what is portrayed in the video is wrong because of fear of fallout/ being called a racist despite what is portrayed is criminal activities...hate crimes against white people. yet it is open season to demonize white people... how truly pathetic and hypocritical is that?!

Oh, bite me. :rolleyes:

You're not even trying to make a point, you're literally just attacking me, and anyone who disagrees with you. You're the one at fault here. Lmao.

phuckphace

September 17th, 2015, 02:52 AM

Sorry. I thought it might be clear without elaboration because of the context.

It doesn't happen because white people are white is what I meant.

gotcha. but what makes you so certain that discrimination is the only factor here? like could it be possible that a lot of poor blacks are simply disadvantaged as an expected byproduct of our current economic arrangement (i.e. not because of racism)? the rise of the white EBT underclass is evidence that many bourgeois whites are quite happy to callously screw over their fellow whites while grasping for cash - they'll screw anyone. white CEOs regularly lay off thousands of white workers with families. white business owners skip over their white neighbors and hire a van full of Mexican migrants for $20 a day. capitalism is an equal-opportunity shitshow these days, it seems.

Allbutanillusion

November 12th, 2015, 01:53 PM

Oh, bite me. :rolleyes:

You're not even trying to make a point, you're literally just attacking me, and anyone who disagrees with you. You're the one at fault here. Lmao.

Yes perhaps not a specific point but more of an revealing or pulling back of the curtain one might say and YES if you are a bigot , particularly an hypocritical one who thinks that hate crimes and hate speech perpetrated towards/against white people or more specifically white men is perfectly acceptable. Pathetic.

Hmmm.... so people disagree with the statement that all bigotry displayed/expressed to ALL races is wrong...interesting

I get it( not that I agree with it) but it has become an societal norm to berate, demonize white people uncontested. It has become the popluar thing to do. It is condoned rather than condemned ...look at the lack of condemnation of the actions of the black people in the video that I shared by the members here but rather the indifference( at best towards it)

Based on the exchange within this thread many of you are bigots.
actually the majority/most of you sound like this....

Anti-white Hatred (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLZJPreugM4)

rather than using being honest and truthful reasoning ( not buying into the misinformation...like this gentleman...

WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOT THE PROBLEM! Black People ARE!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjzLdTGNKkg)

or this gentleman..and I would not only apply what these gentlemen say to black people but every nonwhite person who plays this victimhood/race card perhaps partially out of delusion of partially out of financial incentive.....

angry black man stop blaming the white man and accept your own faults (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukF5fJPRQfY)

Jinglebottom

November 12th, 2015, 02:02 PM

Hyper

November 13th, 2015, 06:50 AM

Why does anyone even care about the shit this donut-licking skank likes to spew out all the time? She's nothing but a waste of talent. An extremely overrated waste of talent, that is. Maybe she should go back to Victorious.

Necro and all but I wanted to respond anyway so.

It's because she is a ''celebrity'' and yellow-page-shitmedia is big on grasping onto anything they say.

I'm not so sure there's a big institutional problem of racism against whites. But I think it's getting there.

There is a definite double standard regarding racism and possibly racist/bigoted comments. Just look at the retarded SJW who say they can't be racist because they are black/hispanic/asian/whatever.

I don't think these retards are a majority but their views are definitely spreading especially in colleges which is hilarious and sad at the same time.

phuckphace

November 13th, 2015, 09:35 AM

Based on the exchange within this thread many of you are bigots.

I hope I'm the bigotedest

Vlerchan

November 13th, 2015, 04:23 PM

Based on the exchange within this thread many of you are bigots.
I just feel so bad about colonialism.

Just look at the retarded SJW who say they can't be racist because they are black/hispanic/asian/whatever.
In academia the definition of racism used relates to institutionalised racial discrimination and considering that I find it agreeable that non-whites are not in a position to be racist in the white developed world. I agree that non-whites can engage in racial prejudice and racial discrimination but not on the required scale.

In the developing world there's been lots of cases of anti-white racism. Take the africanisation [or national derivative of] in post-colonial states for example.

but what makes you so certain that discrimination is the only factor here?
I'm not certain. I'm sure there's other factors. It's even the case I believe that the proletariat factor outweighs the racism factor.

If it's not been clear I believe that people exist within a matrix of domination. It's not just a single factor and all factors are not equal.

---

I also missed that before: apologies.

Allbutanillusion

January 2nd, 2016, 04:18 PM

Not really interested in an exchange/ dialog with anyone at this moment .

Just another video that reinforces what I have been stating all along. yet it just boggles my mind why people claim to fight against bigotry except when applied/directed towards white people.

I mean I understand that Anti-White racism is a worldwide phenomena. The adherents of Multiculturalism have allowed, and even encouraged, racism and hatred against Whites, as well as creating an atmosphere of double-standards against the interests of White people, often hinging upon the Multiculturalist-created psychosis of the White Guilt Complex/White Privilege.

BLACK MEN, Stop Blaming The WHITE MAN! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCqvw08AQuE)

And to those of you who foolishly (Particularly whites people) subscribe to the white privilege myth....which is factually incorrect, but if you tell the next generation one thing and keep your story strait eventually the most bald faced lie will be revered as truth.

I'm still waiting for my white privilege , my win fall to come but I guess until then extremely hard work/good work ethic, and education will have to suffice.

The Myth of White Privilege in America--Be The People TV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d224EzNLCw)

james wolf

January 2nd, 2016, 04:40 PM

northy

January 2nd, 2016, 06:28 PM

All racism is bad. No matter who says it and what race they are.

phuckphace

January 2nd, 2016, 06:39 PM

White privilege does not mean all white people are going to be rich and successful.

This is white privilege:
https://www.deanza.edu/faculty/lewisjulie/White%20Priviledge%20Unpacking%20the%20Invisible%20Knapsack.pdf

the knapsack never appealed to me, I digitized my privilege and uploaded it to Google Drive instead

Miserabilia

January 2nd, 2016, 06:44 PM

how is this thread still alive I don't even remember the original discussion :shrug:

Allbutanillusion

March 4th, 2016, 07:44 PM

White privilege does not mean all white people are going to be rich and successful.

This is white privilege:
https://www.deanza.edu/faculty/lewisjulie/White%20Priviledge%20Unpacking%20the%20Invisible%20Knapsack.pdf

LOL...wait let me respond...ha, ha, he, he LOL, LOL sorry I can't stop laughing at the ridiculous logic

how is this thread still alive I don't even remember the original discussion :shrug:

Well it may seem insignificant to you but once again this supports my argument completely....perhaps unintentionally. Once again I find it interesting that hate crimes/ hate speech perpetrated against whites being just shrugged off....( such as this...

Black Lives Matter Supporters Brutally Beat White Mother, Slams Baby’s Head (http://government.northcrane.com/2016-election/video-black-lives-matter-supporters-brutally-beat-white-mother-slams-babys-head/)

Where is the outrage??!! Where is the mainstream media?!! Nope, none ..just crickets if lucky and the story usually is quickly buried( because society has become unable to portray anyone other than whites in a bad light). And they say whites are racist..to me is seem blacks are equally racist...

Black Privilege: The Freedom to Be Racist and Get Away With It (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHmaPHm-Qxg)

And yet there is and increasing attitude of overall bigotry/demonization towards of white people that is becoming increasingly fashionable. ( pathetically hypocritical) and it is all propagated by the racist BLM and La Raza groups for social or financial gain.

Posts merged. Please use the "multi quote" button next time. ~Mars

Hyper

March 4th, 2016, 10:46 PM

I just feel so bad about colonialism.

In academia the definition of racism used relates to institutionalised racial discrimination and considering that I find it agreeable that non-whites are not in a position to be racist in the white developed world. I agree that non-whites can engage in racial prejudice and racial discrimination but not on the required scale.

In the developing world there's been lots of cases of anti-white racism. Take the africanisation [or national derivative of] in post-colonial states for example.

Never responded to this in time, but since this got necrod.

Let me just laugh at the academic definition of racism - a definition created by people who make a living off propagating that there is an ''invisible system'' of priviledge and racism... I mean come on.

lliam

March 5th, 2016, 12:08 AM

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vT27fHB0t6s/hqdefault.jpg

http://www.campusghanta.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Reverse-Racism.jpg

Exocet

March 5th, 2016, 04:19 AM

If blacks were insulted,be sure it would be like Ferguson x10000.

Vlerchan

March 5th, 2016, 06:51 AM

Let me just laugh at the academic definition of racism - a definition created by people who make a living off propagating that there is an ''invisible system'' of priviledge and racism... I mean come on.
I find it consistently bizarre that when it comes to racism 'social codes' suddenly become a controversial idea.

Hyper

March 5th, 2016, 07:49 AM

I find it consistently bizarre that when it comes to racism 'social codes' suddenly become a controversial idea.

And what do you mean by that?

Vlerchan

March 5th, 2016, 07:59 AM

And what do you mean by that?
The argument that sociologist make is that racism is built into the social infrastructure. It's inculcated in us to this - discuss: act towards - each other in manners broadly dependent on the social codes that exist in our lives.

When it comes to Black people commiting more crime - This is acceptable. When it comes to White people being racist (unconsciously or not) - This is not.

Hyper

March 5th, 2016, 10:31 AM

The argument that sociologist make is that racism is built into the social infrastructure. It's inculcated in us to this - discuss: act towards - each other in manners broadly dependent on the social codes that exist in our lives.

When it comes to Black people commiting more crime - This is acceptable. When it comes to White people being racist (unconsciously or not) - This is not.

I can't really perceive a point from all of that.

Vlerchan

March 5th, 2016, 10:34 AM

I can't really perceive a point from all of that.
People learn behaviour from people around them and then replicate this behaviour without meaning to.

Hyper

March 5th, 2016, 10:41 AM

People learn behaviour from people around them and then replicate this behaviour without meaning to.

Yes I understood that was the gist of it.

Now what was the point of saying it?

Vlerchan

March 5th, 2016, 10:49 AM

Yes I understood that was the gist of it.

Now what was the point of saying it?
The behaviour we learn benefits certain groups ahead of others.

Even controlling for previous record, income, area stopped, amongst others, there's still a disproportionate number of black people stopped. Disproportionate as-in out-of-tune with the chances of the randomly-selected black person having engaged in criminal activity. The likelihood is that this is at least in-part down to black being more associated with criminality and thus social codes benefit some groups ahead of others.

This presumes that the police aren't consciously racist. I don't think they are.

Hyper

March 5th, 2016, 10:56 AM

The behaviour we learn benefits certain groups ahead of others.

Even controlling for previous record, income, area stopped, amongst others, there's still a disproportionate number of black people stopped. Disproportionate as-in out-of-tune with the chances of the randomly-selected black person having engaged in criminal activity. The likelihood is that this is at least in-part down to black being more associated with criminality and thus social codes benefit some groups ahead of others.

This presumes that the police aren't consciously racist. I don't think they are.

I'm still having a hard time understanding how this at all pertains to the ''academic'' definition of racism.

Or even: ,, I find it consistently bizarre that when it comes to racism 'social codes' suddenly become a controversial idea. ''

Whatever I or you say at this point is basically sophistry since we haven't agreed on a definition for racism in the first place.

But if I am interperting your logic and last post correctly, which I have a hard time doing honestly, you are saying that a lot of that gets put down as racism is simply due to socal codes - but that it is still racism because it disadvantage/advantages certain groups...?

I would stick to the dictionary definition, heck even Oxfords dictionary has a, imo good basic description, I say this because they seem to have gone neo-progressive with some of their definitions.

Definition of racism in English:
noun

[MASS NOUN]
1Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior:
a programme to combat racism

Vlerchan

March 5th, 2016, 11:10 AM

I'm still having a hard time understanding how this at all pertains to the ''academic'' definition of racism.
I once wrote this.

Prejudice: preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience. In terms of race it can be dumbed-down to unwarranted dislike of people as a result of their race. It's a feeling.

Discrimination: the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex. In terms of race it can be dumbed-down to the unwarranted mistreatment of a person as a result of their race. It's an action or series of actions.

Racism: is a system of categorical privileged, as defined in sociology [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#Sociological). It can be be dumbed-down to the unwarranted and systematic mistreatment though social institutions, beliefs or otherwise of a people as a result of their race. It's a system.

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=213843

That's the manner in which professional sociologists approach the idea of racism - re: link. We can approach it terms of people discriminating or holding prejudice but I don't feel that discussion is as worthwhile. We can all condemn that.

[...] you are saying that a lot of that gets put down as racism is simply due to socal codes - but that it is still racism because it disadvantage/advantages certain groups...?
No. I'm saying that racism is a social code that systematically privileges one racial group ahead of another.

Hyper

March 5th, 2016, 11:21 AM

I once wrote this.

Prejudice: preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience. In terms of race it can be dumbed-down to unwarranted dislike of people as a result of their race. It's a feeling.

Discrimination: the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex. In terms of race it can be dumbed-down to the unwarranted mistreatment of a person as a result of their race. It's an action or series of actions.

Racism: is a system of categorical privileged, as defined in sociology [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#Sociological). It can be be dumbed-down to the unwarranted and systematic mistreatment though social institutions, beliefs or otherwise of a people as a result of their race. It's a system.

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=213843

I can't agree with the critical theory born neo-progressive dogma definition that includes the ridiculous notion that racism is and can only be a system and thus minorities in western society can't be racist on a communal identity or individual level.

Vlerchan

March 5th, 2016, 11:29 AM

I can't agree with the critical theory born neo-progressive dogma definition that includes the ridiculous notion that racism is and can only be a system and thus minorities in western society can't be racist on a communal identity or individual level.
It doesn't state that minorities can't be racist insofar as minorities are prejudiced or engage in discrimination. You can still have a racist black man in this respect.

It simply reserves the term racism for the special case of systematic mistreatment of racial groups. Minorities don't have the power to engage in this generally-speaking.

Hyper

March 5th, 2016, 12:17 PM

It doesn't state that minorities can't be racist insofar as minorities are prejudiced or engage in discrimination. You can still have a racist black man in this respect.

It simply reserves the term racism for the special case of systematic mistreatment of racial groups. Minorities don't have the power to engage in this generally-speaking.

I suppose on deeper thought it isn't the academic definition itself, in vacuum, that bothers me but the interpertations and arguments that neo-progressives and similar ilk form by it.

Still it should be billed as institutional racism imo.

This also touches into a much deeper subject regarding every day speech - how it affects thinking and takes part in forming societal norms - changing the academic deifnition of racism to be a system and propagating that is a pretty good way to affect how society talks and ulimately thinks about something.

This leads to the common neo-prog/feminist argument that:

Since racism is a system disadvantageing certain races - Xs (minority) can't be racist because they can't benefit from such a system.

Which in itself is correct, following the academic definition, but I've seen this argument used as a blanket of sorts when dealing with ''reverse-racism'' or accusations of racism - it's nifty winning an argument with someone using a dictionary term vs your academic term.

That aside the evil doers I've mentioned 300 times before use this definition of racism as a system to derive ridiculous statements like:

Sometimes groups and organisations can have rules that seem to be fair to everyone – but they actually make things more difficult for people from particular cultural or ethnic backgrounds.

This is also known as structural or systemic racism.

For example, a bank might ask everyone to fill out a lot of forms in English before you can open an account. That makes it hard for people who don't speak English as their first language.[1] (https://itstopswithme.humanrights.gov.au/resources/what-you-say-matters/what-racism)

How racism being a system constitues a bank asking for forms in English as being racist towards anyone not speaking English I don't know - it's crossing the border of stupid bullshit for me so I should probably take a breather from it :P

Vlerchan

March 5th, 2016, 01:07 PM

[w]hat bothers me but the interpertations and arguments that neo-progressives and similar ilk form by it.
Oh. I'm quite aware of the hideously convoluted arguments my ilk build off of these notions. If you ever want to lose faith in humanity read the opinions section in any Ivy League college newspaper.

I at the same time though still don't believe we should genericize [make generic] a phenomenon that I view as being quite different to simple prejudices or simple discrimination.

This leads to the common neo-prog/feminist argument that:

Since racism is a system disadvantageing certain races - Xs (minority) can't be racist because they can't benefit from such a system.
But there's no reason that follows from the former if we're defining 'racist' in the second segment to refer to localised prejudices or discrimination. You're touching on a different problem: that most people half-research things until their biases are confirmed. On this board I have chased people up on pulling arguments like that despite being an ultra-Frankfurtian neoprogressive cultural marxist.

How racism being a system constitues a bank asking for forms in English as being racist towards anyone not speaking English I don't know - it's crossing the border of stupid bullshit for me so I should probably take a breather from it.
The statement actually demonstrates more the lengths that modern progressives are willing to go in a fight against perceived racist structures: deconstruction of the cultures of the host-nation.

I agree that's ridiculous.

Allbutanillusion

April 29th, 2016, 05:15 PM

Don't like to accept the fact that other races can be bigots.., I am talking to the self hating, guilt ridden white people( most of who comprise/make up this online community)

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/exclusive-anti-white-assaults-brooklyn-week-article-1.2527899?utm_content=buffer644a2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

I suspect that the reaction( in our screwed up society) to this will be indifference at best as the victim is with and the assailant is black( black power, huh?) and yet if the victim was black and the assailant was white ..there would be a lot of knuckleheads condemning the attack( which I would agree should be condemned) and espousing anti white nonsense/demonizing whites.

After all is it not the bigoted "black lives Matter" group that espouses the "white lives don't matter" nonsense that far too many "suckers" are allowing themselves to be brainwashed with.

Oh, another thing..is it not bigoted/racist to demand that someone should feel guilty or ashamed simply because of the color of their skin?? As black lives matter group and other so called " civil rights: minority groups demand of white people!

Vlerchan

April 29th, 2016, 05:35 PM

I am talking to the self hating, guilt ridden white people( most of who comprise/make up this online community)
I have no culture.

“This is for Malcolm X, cracka,” the brute said before storming off.
http://www.authentichistory.com/diversity/african/4-brute/

:O

sqishy

April 29th, 2016, 05:59 PM

Xiao.Z

April 29th, 2016, 07:29 PM

I not believe she not admonish for word. I hear much backlash her. But America have free speech so even inappropriate word protect under constitution. If people not like her word stop purchase music this maybe best protest people make.

Doro15

April 30th, 2016, 03:46 AM

freedom of expression

Xiao.Z

April 30th, 2016, 10:48 AM

There so much race problem in USA do not understand why performer any different. She give everyone chance to know her view and decide them self. I not care her music I not buy that my protest.

Allbutanillusion

May 18th, 2016, 02:11 PM

Well for all of those who are unintellectual and still subscribe to the myth( a myth that is spewed out by bigoted minorities) that only white people are capable of being racist.., here is another wake-up call

Two White Men Doused With Gasoline And Set On Fire By Blacks Near Baltimore. Media Censored Story (VIDEO) (http://www.msfanpage.link/two-white-men-doused-with-gasoline-and-set-on-fire-by-blacks-near-baltimore-media-censored-story-video/)

What I found equally disturbing is society's attitude toward this brutal HATE CRIME. To cover it up. Heaven forbid if we demonize any other race other than white regardless of their criminal , despicable actions. Where are the white lives matter protests....no that somehow, in societies distorted, hypocritical attitudes/perceptions would be racist...despite that fact that in this case the victims were white and suffered acts of hate and intolerance.

That is because society has been conditioned/brainwashed to accept hate/bigotry against white people as as may I dare even say .. look at it as progress. I am sorry ...but that is fucked up. White people need to really star standing up , grow a pair and refuse to be doormats/exploited from the Protected races/class( minorities) Stop subscribing to their distortion /manipulation of the facts to fit their agenda or false negative spewed out by race baiters/hatemongers and race profiteers

Vlerchan

May 18th, 2016, 02:40 PM

From the article - there's no reason to believe that this was a Hate-crime. Incidents like this between Co-workers happen for all sorts of reasons.

The perpetrator was also charged with multiple felonies including attempted murder.

Flapjack

May 21st, 2016, 12:46 PM

Racist Singer who says that she hates America and its fat White people get a free pass.

Why is the question. If those who claim that the are fighting racism..turn a blind eye when anyone other than a white person says something racist. Hypocrisy abounds in the argument/battle against racism.

Ariana Grande get away with racism because she's black, as well as Hispanic, Asians and Native Americans do( as well as many others.) Boycott Ariana Grande!!! Don't buy her products/Music!!

Another example of racism against the unprotected class ( white People)

It's almost sad to see how fast people are willing to forgive her though.
Why are people mad at her? I done a quick google search but nothing came up??

Vlerchan

May 21st, 2016, 04:06 PM

Why are people mad at her? I done a quick google search but nothing came up??
She said, "I hate America" when offered donuts (http://pagesix.com/2015/09/15/ariana-grande-is-still-apologizing-for-saying-i-hate-america/), and later stated that she did so as a result of encountering unhealthy food (her statement that people need to be more careful about what they eat was interpreted as fat-shaming or something).

The title and OP are wildly misleading so google about Grande being racist and whatnot doesn't produce anything relevent.

Flapjack

May 21st, 2016, 04:15 PM

She said, "I hate America" when offered donuts (http://pagesix.com/2015/09/15/ariana-grande-is-still-apologizing-for-saying-i-hate-america/), and later stated that she did so as a result of encountering unhealthy food (her statement that people need to be more careful about what they eat was interpreted as fat-shaming or something).

The title and OP are wildly misleading so google about Grande being racist and whatnot doesn't produce anything relevent.

Thanks:) I did find that when I googled it but thought surelyy this can't be what they're so offended by but NOPE it is:p

CoolGuy108

May 24th, 2016, 03:15 PM

I had a feeling this thread was going to be about Ariana. I don't see how she's racist though. I don't recall her saying "fat white people".

That video of her licking those donuts and being rude to the employee is foolish and I honestly think that her apology is not sincere. If she cares about America and she's an advocate for healthy eating, then why the heck was she at a donut shop?

She needs to grow up and stop acting like a diva because she isn't.

People can have a doughnut once in a while. Jeez lol. Its not like she was living at the shop

Dalcourt

June 20th, 2016, 03:14 PM

I didn't get how a white American singer of Italian ancestry can be racist against other Whites but never mind.

I clearly understand the problem of white privilege vs. black privilege. I'm of mixed race and I clearly feel how my "black side" has it far more easier in life than my "white side".

Allbutanillusion

October 16th, 2016, 06:19 PM

White privilege does not mean all white people are going to be rich and successful.

This is white privilege:
https://www.deanza.edu/faculty/lewisjulie/White%20Priviledge%20Unpacking%20the%20Invisible%20Knapsack.pdf

Since the book of privileges has been open. By you lets take a look at the actual truth about privilege not this manufactured, distorted , most of the them ridiculous privileges that people image that white people have through the white privilege myth.

Lets take an truly honest look at so called privileges as opposed to imaged ones.... Black /minority privileges,

A report in the LA Times revealed that blacks and Hispanics get bonus SAT points at elite universities based on their race. The LA Times reported, Lee’s next slide shows three columns of numbers from a Princeton University study that tried to measure how race and ethnicity affect admissions by using SAT scores as a benchmark. It uses the term “bonus” to describe how many extra SAT points an applicant’s race is worth. She points to the first column. African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says. She points to the second column. “Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points

Sounds like privilege to me...don't think so, well lets put it to the test. Reverse the races, can you image the outrage if whites were reward bonus point simply for being white. Hmmm

Group of Racist Black Students are selling "ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACIST" Shirts (http://vidmax.com/embedvid/147318-Group-of-Racist-Black-Students-are-selling-ALL-WHITE-PEOPLE-ARE-RACIST-Shirts-)

It should be banned from campus due to its "hate speech" content! If you swap out the word "white" for "black" it WOULD be banned. Double standard to its entirety! Not one calling it out for what it is , hate speech!! More #Blackprivilage

If my skin color offends you, it is not I who am racist but rather you .( are the bigot/racist)

sqishy

October 17th, 2016, 04:17 PM

Flapjack

October 18th, 2016, 10:50 AM

Right... Jack is lost xD Who wants to be bae and explain the problem?

lyhom

October 18th, 2016, 11:33 AM

Right... Jack is lost xD Who wants to be bae and explain the problem?

some dude made a thread about that dumb story last year where ariana grande licked a doughnut or something and somehow made it about how white people are the real oppressed race (and somehow thought that ariana grande was black lmao wtf) and now he bumps this thread every two months despite no one caring anymore

Flapjack

October 18th, 2016, 11:40 AM

some dude made a thread about that dumb story last year where ariana grande licked a doughnut or something and somehow made it about how white people are the real oppressed race (and somehow thought that ariana grande was black lmao wtf) and now he bumps this thread every two months despite no one caring anymore
Oh okay I get it now thanks xD

Allbutanillusion

December 23rd, 2016, 01:39 PM

This thread is still struggling onto active existence I see...

If skin colour / race is being made by a group of people for reasons that are not relevant to skin colour / race, then it leaves wide open the risk/opportunity for racism to develop in that group.

I always find people like this pathetically hilarious. They foolishly subscribe to and /or allow themselves to be brainwashed into the rhetoric perpetrated by minorities for selfish/self centered gain while at the same time ignoring the hate crimes/hate speech/intolerance perpetrated by minorities toward their own group( I am assuming that this person is white) A little pathetically hyprocritcal..just to feel good about yourself. White people really have to get their heads out of the sand or out of their own asses( such as this individual) in which they have them so far shoved up they cant see the actual truth and see that they are being played for fools.

If you want to discuss intolerance..Muslims.. their rhetoric is "you don't look like us, don't think like us, don't speak like us, don't accommodate us. don't let us leech off of you...We kill you!! How intolerant is that...it is about time we start calling out true intolerance!!

Phosphene

December 23rd, 2016, 02:47 PM

I always find people like this pathetically hilarious. They foolishly subscribe to and /or allow themselves to be brainwashed into the rhetoric perpetrated by minorities for selfish/self centered gain while at the same time ignoring the hate crimes/hate speech/intolerance perpetrated by minorities toward their own group( I am assuming that this person is white) A little pathetically hyprocritcal..just to feel good about yourself. White people really have to get their heads out of the sand or out of their own asses( such as this individual) in which they have them so far shoved up they cant see the actual truth and see that they are being played for fools.

If you want to discuss intolerance..Muslims.. their rhetoric is "you don't look like us, don't think like us, don't speak like us, don't accommodate us. don't let us leech off of you...We kill you!! How intolerant is that...it is about time we start calling out true intolerance!!

Please don't post in threads with 2 or more months of inactivity. :locked: