Salvia

[zackF.]

My friends hve been talking about smoking some herb called salvia. What is the deal with it?

[Kaleidoscope Eyes]

Salvia is a powerful hallucinogen (almost as powerful as LSD), and has been used in many cultures to bring visions or to communicate with the gods, things like that. Some people see good things, amazing things. Other people see bad things, things that scare them. I've heard a (true) story, about a young man who did salvia, and killed himself. His suicide note said something about, "How can I live when I know the secrets of life?". Salvia is not a drug to be messed with.

My boyfriend has done salvia, and here is what he has to say about it, as well as what happened from the perspective of his dad, who witnessed more or less the whole thing:

"well, I finally tried salvia, got a new bong, new pipe, new torch lighter, for the occasion, and then I found that nothing happened...

but then I made a cockup. well, it's not a cockup because it was so incredibly amazing and has changed my life.. BUT anyways...here is the story of what happens when you get pissed off and empty a quater vial of salvia 40X into an improvised bong bowl...

ok, so I figured out that my pipe bowl could be screwed onto my bong instead of the bong bowl, which was smaller, so I decided that I would empty the vial into it and see if it finally worked. I held the jetflame over the bowl and ripped on it hard, my entire lung capacity, and held in for 25 seconds, then took one more of the same..then the fun began.

I remember thinking "oh fuck, I'm going to fall over", and managing to put the bong down, then falling onto my floor, I was immediately knowing this had worked, as you can imagine, just by the completely nonfeeling of everything I was in contact with (I have loads of cushions)

I looked down at my hands and they just drifted at incredible speed miles and miles into this black space that had taken over my vision, and I felt every part of my soul being pulled infront of me. At this point "I" was freakled out, but by somemiracle "I" managed to just let it take me, and as "I" moved forwards, it was like these two enourmous walls on either side of me that went on forever, consisting of thousands and thousands of lasers of new colours (think pink floyd times 50 million), but the walls were seethrough, and "I" could see that thay were like huge nets stretching on into infinity, "I" was moving faster and faster and as I began to catch up with my hands they had become what I percieved to be police cars.

NEW YORK:

"I" looked up again and the lasers warped and fluctuated into the structure of new york ( I have never been to new york so what the fuck?) and I went past these cars, and realised that "I" was in a huge chase with them, them ore and more and more of these hand/cars appeared untill it was like somthing out of Blues brothers, but the wierd most fucked up thing was that everytime my soul (getting bored of saying "I") went past them, they would phase out behind me and then go back into this MASSIVE formation of extremely complex circulartrisqaures, like some sick fucker had packed every single 3d shape into one infinite spectrum of perfectly enginnered and rehearsed chaos, then I would fly/drive/drift/ past them again and it would loop like that for ages...

then it got wierd.

the walls suddenly had this huge ripple and curved into my path, and begam what I can only desribe as a marble run, and I must have been the marble because I felt the rolling, and I was seeing from all the infinite sides of the circle, seeing this universal mass of lasers which were now bending around me...hmm, got to find a better way to explain that....

it was like every section of marble run I would go down would ripple as I went past, constantly flashing on every spextrum of light in every conceivable colour all at once.

I ("rolled"???????) out of this and rose into this incredible hyperspcacial network of lasers and lights, fluctuating in dense geometric/antigeometric circular tri-sqaures, and they told me in a soundless voice everything about everything about everything I have ever questioned or wondered about, but then the "voice" grew tense, and I could feel myself being pulled away, the cyberspace warping VERY voilently all around me. The voice became a cheeky laugh as I flew backwards, the sensation of which is onlt so incredibly fucked up because you feel like you are moving at impossible speed, but all the laserspace around me was moving really really really slowly in the same direction. The voice turned into the voice of my girlfriend, and I just remember her telling me to "be calm, let me take you back to where it all began" and I guess I must have been tripping very hard because I saw her blow a kiss to me, and I just felt this extreme calm and peace, like nothing I have ever felt before...

Then, it got past the point of wierd, in the words of douglas adams, "it was the product of a mind not just twisted, but actually sprained"

I was back in my bedroom, this is to say, I was still in "space" but I coulf feel my bedroom, but the space slwoly drifted away from me, and I become none over than my carpet,, at this point I was willing to accept that I had been kidnapped by a mafia cartel of secret carpet makers and flattened, and just when I thought it was getting more normal (my mind was pumping ideas which were slightly day to day) I felt like I was rising again, and it was like this huge huge HUGE waterfall of illusion and a pathway leading into it, I moved towards this and it was just like the scene from "The ring" where the girl kind of fast forwards, towards you, accept it moved into me, and I became it, looking at me, laughing at this pitiful creature trying to walk towards me. I laughed, and then heard music. Pink floyd. I took a breath and was instantly catapulted into
"reality"

I looked around and found I was downstairs with my dad smiling at me saying "you would freak out someone on acid man..".

and now the same thing from the perspective of my dad..lol

This is were it gets fucked up

my dad heard me fall over and hit the floor and came into my room to see me sitting with this absolutely massive grin, eyes open, and my pupils had filled my entire iris, he didn't rouch me, but sat for me in case anything bad happened, I wriggled forwards and somehow managed to stand up, then just kept trying to climb inside of my bong, so he picked me up and carried me downstairs where I was less likely to die by inhalation of an acrylic bong.

he was watching pink floyd: Pulse, on dvd and he told me I was just sitting there, and I'm guessing it must have been at the point where I had this voice speakign to me, becasue I was talking/mumbling, in what he describes as "backwards gibberish".
he felt my forhead to make sure I wasn't overheating on it or anything, and I was freakishly hot in the face so he got a wet flannel and put it on my face as I just sat and grinned (I'm guessing this is where I had the waterfall picture) and he laughed at me and took the flannel off, sat down, then he says that he watched my eyes suddenly go from giant to looking like I'd taken about a gram of speed, then back to normal. then I took one massive breath and was back.

my first question "where is the carpet shop" the answer..."what..the fuck?"

I am in complete awe as I write this, This experience has changed my perceptions so radically on everything, I am at this insane level of increased awareness of everything, like with E but without the side effect of dancing like a maniac.

I will take salvia again, but not for a while....

I have a feeling that had I been in the wrong mood for this trip, I would have had a nightmare that was indescribable..the trip was insane, I didn't know I was tripping, I wasn't me, I was anything in creation all at one time..but it wasn't bliss or happiness either, it was just a feeling of "wow" and enlightenment..

please..anyone who hasn't tried salvia..respect this plant...or it will get extremely pissed off with you..:O "

I would suggest doing A LOT of google research before you even consider doing this.

[zackF.]

Sounds intense lol I did hear about that kid that killed himself something about a charcoal grill and a tent (i dunno)

[Kaleidoscope Eyes]

I don't know what happened to the kid either, I just remember the note. Perfect example of why you should always be cautious. Salvia caused him to believe he knew the secrets of life, and he felt it was too big of a burden to bear. It's tragic, especially when you consider that he probably hadn't learned much of anything, he only thought he had.

Also consider how Christy(my boyfriend)'s dad described him during the trip. He was unresponsive, pupils fully dilated, grinning like a lobotomized fool, and feverish. Christy's parents are no strangers to drug experimentation themselves, so Christy's dad knew how to handle the situation and what signs to look for. But if your parents found you like that? What would they do? And what would happen to you when the ER docs told them what was wrong with you? Chances are it'd scare the crap out of them and you'd be in huge trouble. Understand that I'm not fully against every drug on the market, and that I'm not telling you all this because I've been raised to think "all drugs are bad". I just want you to remember that safety comes first in situations like these, and it's possible to lead a fulfilling life without drugs. I don't know if you've done other drugs before, maybe you know the drill, but remember to be smart about any drugs you do use. Little mistakes can cause big problems.

[Techno Monster]

slaiva sound like more than i can handal.

[DouggyO.o]

that shit would be fun...but same here...i dont know if i could handle it.

[Prince Jellyfish]

Actually, if you do it alone in a peaceful setting, it can be a very spiritual experience. The Church of Native Americans uses it on a regular bases.

[serial-thrilla]

yeah its pretty similar to any hallucinagenic drug, the potential for a peaceful spiritual trip is always there, but never do more then you can handle.

[george]

haha salvia sounds trippy. Maybe if i was in like a giant cushion room id take it :D sounds fun

[Break the Cage]

That trip sounds VERY exaggerated. To get an effect as strong as LSD you would have to get some very strong salvia and do quite a lot. Trips don't tend to last long, its also legal.

[Kaleidoscope Eyes]

He did end up taking too much, I don't think your average salvia experience is quite like that. But having known this guy for nearly 2 years, and having been his girlfriend for about 9 months, I trust his description of the trip. You also have to understand that Christy is the kind of person who can induce a trance-like state almost at will, and when actually on drugs he tends to trip a bit harder than most people.

[KingCrimson]

He killed himself?, the effects don't even stay for that long. Did he kill himself like 2 minutes after he took it?.

[serial-thrilla]

if anyone kills themselves while on any drug its their own fault, not the drugs.

[george]

xD my friend he thinks and hes pretty sure that he has salvia in his backyard :D kinda creapy cause he said he tried to smoke it after he dried it out and nothing happened lol

[Fiending_the_freedom]

Salvia personally i thinkis fun, but a waste of money! 2 bucks for about a gram, and the high is only 10 minutes.

[alicia]

^^ agreed.

The 10 minutes can be pretty intense though :P

[Φρανκομβριτ]

That trip sounds VERY exaggerated. To get an effect as strong as LSD you would have to get some very strong salvia and do quite a lot. Trips don't tend to last long, its also legal.

Actually Tim, and can be a more intense trip than acid. Though the halucinations only last a VERY short time, they are often extremely powerful and can cause people to drop things, fall over, etc.


for more info, http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml

[Fiending_the_freedom]

yea it was intense
i laughed litteraly for ten minutes straight and i couldnt stop and it was laugh HARD at nothing it jsut hapopened all of a sudden. this might now sound that intense but trust me it was:|

[silentc0re]

Though salvia is legal in most of US "Louisiana, Missouri, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Delaware, Maine, North Dakota and Illinois are the only states in the USA that have laws prohibiting possession of Salvia divinorum although this is rapidly changing throughout the country" Do not smoke this or chew it if you do from my experience i had tried to inhale x80 2 consecutive times did it and i layed down and couldn't move a muscle i felt like i was paralyzed for 1 hour it was insane!!!!

[DouggyO.o]

Though salvia is legal in most of US "Louisiana, Missouri, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Delaware, Maine, North Dakota and Illinois are the only states in the USA that have laws prohibiting possession of Salvia divinorum although this is rapidly changing throughout the country" Do not smoke this or chew it if you do from my experience i had tried to inhale x80 2 consecutive times did it and i layed down and couldn't move a muscle i felt like i was paralyzed for 1 hour it was insane!!!!

maine? damn. my friend got ahold of some of this and he was like going crazy untill he came down. he said it was wayyy to intense for somebody like me lol so i didnt do it.
I genneraly avoid drugs as much as possible now but still crazzzyy

[silentc0re]

I was going to post a thread to know more about it.

Honestly, in my current situation, trying more drugs is the last thing I should be thinking of, but I am so curious to try it.

Dude watch out cuz when i was tripping i though i was gonna die i felt like needles coming out of my body and the needles looked like the needles from the needler in the Halo series.

[zackF.]

Well i tried salvia it was funny as hell i luaghed for a while didn't really hallucinate though. they sell it at some gas station in town. i haven't had any problems after i smoked it

[Uhh.Huhh RAN_DOM]

be careful guys they are starting to illegalize this drug in many states and iam not saying that you should do any drug back go to the natioal database of drugs it gives all then information you need and more learn what your doing to your body before you do it first

[zackF.]

I tried salvia again and it was even weirder this time. The first times I only laughed really hard this time I actualy went on a trip. The last thing from the real world was handing my friend the pipe. I was laying on a dog bed outside having the trip. It started out my patio turned into like 5 divided sections with a curved door thing at the front. There was also a glass door over all of the sections. I was inside one of the sections but for some reason I could see all of them. Then some peanutbutter in the shape of a sandwhich was laughing and talking to me in english. I don't really remember what it said but I was drooling on my shirt and he said I hope he doesn't drown on himself.(My friend said he didn't talk the entire time). After it talked to me I sort of came back to reality but right before I did I saw a yellow dog run around the corner but I don't have a dog. I'm fine and everything now though

[MNSalviaD]

I never bought Salvia. But I heard that it is really very expensive.

[Zeh Crazy]

I desperately want to try Salvia. lol

[wtblife]

Salvia is probably one of the more scary/powerful drugs you can try tbh. Most people don't get good enough hits or are just smoking the regular leaves which just aren't gonna do it (they'll make you itchy and maybe trip a little if smoked in large amounts). The stuff people trip off is called Salvia extract _x where the _ is a number basically judging it's strength compared to regular Salvia, not gonna go into any more detail than that as this doesn't seem like the right place.

I would not recommend Salvia for the inexperienced as it will literally warp your world for a couple minutes and can cause nightmarish hallucinations. The good thing is it is really short, but still even experienced "trippers" consider it to be one of the most intense trips depending on the dose. It isn't a pleasant experience for most people and I would NOT underestimate it.

I apologize if any of this sounds like promoting drugs as it definitely isn't meant to, I'm actually hoping to persuade people that seem interested to reconsider.

To the person that said something about it being almost as powerful as LSD, a real Salvia trip is actually far more intense even though it only lasts a couple minutes (maybe 10 full on). Powerful isn't a good term to use when talking about psychedelics, but I think anyone that has done both would agree with Salvia being more intense.

For you kids interested, intensity is not really a good thing, it just means it could end up VERY bad.