Charleston Church Shooting: KKK, White Supremacists Operate in South Carolina

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South Carolina is home to 19 known hate groups — including two factions of the Ku Klux Klan and four "white nationalist" organizations, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

While police described Wednesday's massacre in Charleston, South Carolina, of nine people at one of the nation's oldest African-American churches as a hate crime, they did not suggest the attack was linked to any group.

The SPLC's database records the distribution of KKK leaflets in a Seneca neighborhood was among four hate crimes committed in the state last year.

More than a dozen of the groups listed are explicitly based on racial hatred — perhaps a reflection of local history in a corner of the U.S. where the Confederate flag still flies in the grounds of the State House.

Six neo-Confederate groups listed by the SPLC include two branches of the League of the South, which advocates for Southern secession and "the advancement of Anglo-Celtic culture." Its website states: "If you call us racists, our response will be 'So what?'"

Among the White Nationalist groups active in the state is the Council of Conservative Citizens, which is opposed to racial integration and affirmative action "and similar measures to destroy or denigrate the European-American heritage, including the heritage of the Southern people."

Formed in response to the desegregation of schools in the 1950s and 1960s, its key figures include Kyle Rogers. He was quoted by Charleston's Post and Courier newspaper in 2012 as saying that African Americans "are the most privileged members of their race." He reportedly told the newspaper: "I don't see a legacy of oppression. Blacks have always benefited from being in the United States."

Other hate groups listed by the SPLC include three neo-Nazi cells, a chapter of the racist skinhead movement Confederate Hammerskins, a branch of black separatist organization Nation of Islam, an "anti-gay" church and an anti-immigration protest group called Americans Have Had Enough.

In the Seneca incident in July 2014, residents in Oconee County reportedly found bags in their street containing candy and a leaflet with the message "Save Our Land, Join the Klan." It had a phone number that led to an automated message discussing KKK efforts against illegal immigration.

In the same month, a KKK rally was held in Abbeville, according to NBC station WYFF.

South Carolina last year elected Senator Tim Scott, the first African-American voted into the U.S. Senate from the South since the post-Civil War era of Reconstruction.

South Carolina is one of only five states that does not have a hate crimes law, according to campaign group SC Equality, although a recent extension of federal law means there are legal protections for victims of hate crimes in all states.

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Dylann Roof, Suspected Charleston Church Shooting Gunman, Previously Arrested

The 21-year-old white gunman who slaughtered nine people at a Charleston, South Carolina, church was previously jailed in March on a drug charge, NBC affiliate WIS-TV reported.

He is suspected of gunning down nine people at the historically black Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church on Wednesday night while sitting in on a Bible study class. Three others survived.

He was captured by police Thursday morning, sources said.

Police said Roof fled after the shooting just after 9 p.m. ET in a black Hyundai Elantra.

Charleston officials are investigating the shooting as a hate crime. The Justice Department also announced it is opening a parallel civil rights investigation into the case.

While the manhunt intensified Thursday, Roof's uncle told Reuters that he recognized the man in the surveillance photo as his nephew.

"The more I look at him, the more I'm convinced that's him," said Carson Cowles, 56.

Cowles told Reuters that authorities were at Roof's home, and that his nephew had been given a .45-caliber handgun from his father for his birthday in April.

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Worshippers gather to pray down the street from the Emanuel AME Church following a shooting, June 17, 2015, in Charleston, South Carolina.

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Police close off a section of Calhoun Street near the Emanuel AME Church following a shooting, June 17, 2015, in Charleston, South Carolina.

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Police stand outside the Emanuel AME Church following a shooting, June 17, 2015, in Charleston, South Carolina.

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/charleston-shooting-suspect-identified-fbi-dylann-roof-21/story?id=31851054

[Microcosm]

An announcement popped up from my CNN app on my iPad about this today. It's pretty sad. I think it could've been much worse, though. I hope the families with loved ones who died in the shooting are doing okay. It's sad to think about, really.

[acidjoe]

Wow, this is crazy. It's very unsettling to think that stuff like this actually happens. I'm hoping nothing but the best for the families who's lives were lost in this terrible hate crime.

[Thunderstorm]

This guy looks like a murderer.

God bless the families.

[phuckphace]

lmao at that Dylan Klebold motherfucker

"ugh black people and their primitive criminality" *murders people randomly and snorts coke*

ok then

[Danny_boi 16]

It's really depression. He sat for an hour listening to the bible, and didn't absorb a thing. What part of do not kill and love your neighbor, don't you understand? He is nothing more than a deranged psychopath.

God bless the families and the souls of the sadly departed.

[fairmaiden]

This is such a sad story. Why did his parents even buy him a gun if they knew he was ''unhinged''?

The fact that he was smirking at the cameras while he was being escorted into a police van shows that he has no remorse for what he's done. He's despicable.

It's pretty ridiculous that he made this wild statement: ''You rape our [white] women....'' yet he killed 6 black women (who can't "rape" women). And, the men that he killed weren't rapists. He should go to prison for life.

God bless the victims' families and may the victims rest in peace.

[phuckphace]

he did the deed in a church full of unarmed innocents because he's a pussy in addition to being psychotic, much like Anders Breivik. had he gone to the ghetto (where the actual rapists are) and opened fire they would've shot back and probably killed his ass

[Sir Suomi]

See folks, this is where you draw the line at Ethnic Nationalism and Ethnic Supremacy. However, most people still think they are same. *Sigh*

[fairmaiden]

See folks, this is where you draw the line at Ethnic Nationalism and Ethnic Supremacy. However, most people still think they are same. *Sigh*
''White nationalism is an ideology that advocates a racial definition of national identity for white people. White nationalism ranges from a preference for one's ethnic group, to feelings of superiority to organized forms of white supremacism.'' (Definition of White Nationalism from Google.)

*I used white nationalism as an example, seeing as Dylann Roof is white.*

You see, some (if not, quite a lot of) people feel as though there is a VERY fine line between the two. If someone says to me that they're a white nationalist, I would be very wary of them. Why? Because the definition(s) appear to be very varied and it makes me feel uncomfortable as a black person.

For example, there are countless amounts of White Nationalist forums on the internet. Many of the members on these forums tend to spew hate towards ethnic minorities, while claiming that they are ''white nationalists''. If a neutral person came across one of their posts, they would think that white nationalists are racist.

I have no issues whatsoever with people being proud of their race; I'm proud of my race, and other people should be proud of their own races too. I'm sure quite a lot of ethnic nationalists don't go out killing members of another race. However, I generally do feel uncomfortable with anyone of any race who claims that they are a ''an ethnic nationalist'' due to the fact that there are so many ''degrees'' of nationalism. The only time I would feel comfortable with a ''nationalist'' is if they explain to me what their personal beliefs actually are. Even if a black person said to me that they're a black nationalist, I would ask them to explain their exact beliefs. I wouldn't want to be around a person who turns out to be a supremacist.

Might I add that I find it quite disappointing that it appears that you have come on this thread to purely, well, defend your ideology rather than acknowledge the tragic deaths of the 9 victims.

People have the freedom to believe in what they choose to, therefore I have no influence on that (nor do I intend to have an influence on their beliefs).

[Sir Suomi]

If someone says to me that they're a white nationalist, I would be very wary of them.

Oh boy, better watch out, I'm pretty dangerous.

For example, there are countless amounts of White Nationalist forums on the internet. Many of the members on these forums tend to spew hate towards ethnic minorities, while claiming that they are ''white nationalists''.

And that's what's the issue. Many people don't even understand the difference. If you're truly a nationalist, you'd at least respect other cultures as much as you respect your own. But nope, of course people don't even know what they're talking about.

Might I add that I find it quite disappointing that it appears that you have come on this thread to purely, well, defend your ideology rather than acknowledge the tragic deaths of the 9 victims.

Do I really have to acknowledge something that everyone already knows was a terrible ordeal? Yes, what happened to them was terrible. However, people die every day, and this will blow over within a month for most people.

[Vlerchan]

Em, white nationalism doesn't exist within the subset of ethnic nationalism, since 'white people' doesn't refer to an ethnic group.

Neither does American nationalism, really.

[fairmaiden]

Oh boy, better watch out, I'm pretty dangerous.

Wariness does not always refer to being scared of physical violence (which is what I assume you're inferring). If someone told me they were a white nationalist I would be wary of their opinions, seeing as that could cause them to have something against me and they could end up treating me differently.

For example, if I was going for a job interview and I heard that the interviewer was a white nationalist, I would be quite wary of them seeing as I would not know their exact beliefs. I would also be under the impression that they might not give me a job because of my skin colour.

Even if someone says that they are black nationalist; their personal ideology may be quite poisonous/hateful and I wouldn't feel comfortable around them due to the fact that I have family members of different races (and even if I didn't, I would still feel uncomfortable).

And that's what's the issue. Many people don't even understand the difference. If you're truly a nationalist, you'd at least respect other cultures as much as you respect your own. But nope, of course people don't even know what they're talking about.

In my opinion, the definition of ''Nationalist'' has become so varied that it's hard to know what someone means when they refer to themselves as a nationalist. That google definition that I quoted clearly proves my point. Therefore, it is perfectly understandable that people ''don't understand the difference''.



Do I really have to acknowledge something that everyone already knows was a terrible ordeal? Yes, what happened to them was terrible. However, people die every day, and this will blow over within a month for most people.
If you didn't want to acknowledge their deaths, then fine. However, why did you come on this thread just to defend your beliefs? That's like me(if I was a black nationalist) going on a thread that says ''White people Killed/Injured'', and then commenting; ''You see, this is difference between Black Supremacists and Black Nationalists. *sigh*".
It sounds very insensitive, in my opinion.

[Syzygy]

This guy looks like a murderer.

God bless the families.

Is how he looks even relevant here?

[Sir Suomi]

Wariness does not always refer to being scared of physical violence (which is what I assume you're inferring). If someone told me they were a white nationalist I would be wary of their opinions, seeing as that could cause them to have something against me and they could end up treating me differently.

I was being sarcastic. I understand what you mean by wary. Maybe I should put my sarcasm in italics. I mean it's not like I mention sarcasm in my bio.

Even if someone says that they are black nationalist; their personal ideology may be quite poisonous/hateful

That's my point. The word "Nationalist" has been tainted by those who misuse the term.

In my opinion, the definition of ''Nationalist'' has become so varied that it's hard to know what someone means when they refer to themselves as a nationalist.

Fair point. However, I believe Nationalism more than often refers to Ethnic Nationalism these days, which can be defined as the following:

"The central theme of ethnic nationalists is that "nations are defined by a shared heritage, which usually includes a common language, a common faith, and a common ethnic ancestry."


However, why did you come on this thread just to defend your beliefs?

Because I've seen a heavy amount of criticism coming upon Nationalism, mainly White Nationalism, due to his actions.

[fairmaiden]

I was being sarcastic. I understand what you mean by wary. Maybe I should put my sarcasm in italics. I mean it's not like I mention sarcasm in my bio.

I do understand that you were being sarcastic, but nevertheless; I wanted to clarify my wording.


That's my point. The word "Nationalist" has been tainted by those who misuse the term.

The word has indeed been tainted, but unfortunately I don't think there is anything anyone can do to fix that now.


Fair point. However, I believe Nationalism more than often refers to Ethnic Nationalism these days, which can be defined as the following:


I understand what you mean, but I don't think the rest of the world views it that way; thus causing mass confusion over the real meaning of Nationalism.



Because I've seen a heavy amount of criticism coming upon Nationalism, mainly White Nationalism, due to his actions.
Oh ok. Did Dylann Roof identify as a Nationalist though? If so, that could be one of the main reasons why plenty of people are currently criticising Nationalism.

[CharlieHorse]

i'm sick of guns

[DriveAlive]

i'm sick of guns
Why? Guns were not responsible for this. Hate and most likely mental illness were responsible.

[Syzygy]

I do understand that you were being sarcastic, but nevertheless; I wanted to clarify my wording.


The word has indeed been tainted, but unfortunately I don't think there is anything anyone can do to fix that now.



I understand what you mean, but I don't think the rest of the world views it that way; thus causing mass confusion over the real meaning of Nationalism.



Oh ok. Did Dylann Roof identify as a Nationalist though? If so, that could be one of the main reasons why plenty of people are currently criticising Nationalism.

I agree, symbols have meaning and can be corrupted. Swastikas were corrupted by the nazis, and now they are only associated with anti-semitism instead of well-being (with the exception being buddhist temples where they can still be seen today), similar to how most people hear white nationalism they think of supremacists.

[CharlieHorse]

Why? Guns were not responsible for this. Hate and most likely mental illness were responsible.

I've had this argument a hundred times too many.
I believe guns should have very heavy restrictions on them. Every day I see a shooting headline. I don't like the way guns are used today. I don't want people killing others with them.

I am an experienced airsoft/milsim player, so I know the fun of guns and fake-firearm/bb gun appeal. I am all for fun, but this is not fun. This is sickening.
I would pay extra money, receive a background check, be logged, registered, whatever, all of it to own these bb guns so that they aren't seen as real guns. And I want the same done for all real guns so they are in responsible hands and inaccessible to anyone who can kill with them.
If you come up with a solution. Please do tell. I think they should all be restricted in various forms.

And the 2nd amendment argument is kind of outdated. The 2nd amendment was made for personal protection (regulation wouldn't prevent this), and so that local militias, citizens, etc could seize control of the government by force if need be for the well being of their country, for such reasons as a corrupt government.
But now the US has arguably the most advanced and largest military in the world. Local militias, citizens, etc don't stand a chance against the government arms. So should we have the right to own tanks? How about howitzers?

[Karkat]

he did the deed in a church full of unarmed innocents because he's a pussy in addition to being psychotic, much like Anders Breivik. had he gone to the ghetto (where the actual rapists are) and opened fire they would've shot back and probably killed his ass

Basically this

White people tend to be the ones that like to talk smack and then be cowards. I feel like someone growing up in the projects would've had the balls to actually do something that made sense.

Not that I'm condoning it, but this is like shooting up a school of children; so cowardly it's almost humorous. Were it not a tragedy, it would be hilarious, because if this is what we are supposed to see as the face of the white man, what we're seeing is a pathetic moron.

Though in the end, isn't anyone on that side of the trigger pathetic anyways, when they kill someone innocent?

[Microcosm]

I've had this argument a hundred times too many.
I believe guns should have very heavy restrictions on them. Every day I see a shooting headline. I don't like the way guns are used today. I don't want people killing others with them.

I am an experienced airsoft/milsim player, so I know the fun of guns and fake-firearm/bb gun appeal. I am all for fun, but this is not fun. This is sickening.
I would pay extra money, receive a background check, be logged, registered, whatever, all of it to own these bb guns so that they aren't seen as real guns. And I want the same done for all real guns so they are in responsible hands and inaccessible to anyone who can kill with them.
If you come up with a solution. Please do tell. I think they should all be restricted in various forms.

And the 2nd amendment argument is kind of outdated. The 2nd amendment was made for personal protection (regulation wouldn't prevent this), and so that local militias, citizens, etc could seize control of the government by force if need be for the well being of their country, for such reasons as a corrupt government.
But now the US has arguably the most advanced and largest military in the world. Local militias, citizens, etc don't stand a chance against the government arms. So should we have the right to own tanks? How about howitzers?

A couple of things wrong with this.

First of all, you're saying that because some people misuse guns(actually not that many when compared to the population of America which owns guns yet does not illegally use them), then everyone should be highly regulated on guns. We have systems in place to deal with people who illegally use guns. They'll be stopped without having to regulate everyone's gun rights.

Second, you assume we are incapable of defeating our military when this is entirely not true. It isn't true because our military is made up of Americans. If some event were to occur in which it was the people versus the government, I think most of the military would leave if the cause of the people was good enough and just.

So, if we allow the government to entirely control guns, then we are basically submitting to them. The system owns us at that point. Why? Because then the soldiers who leave the military in this time of crisis will also have no guns. The only ones who will be left that would have actual powers would be the government dogs who stayed in the military of the people.

[Lovelife090994]

Hang him!

[kev99]

A couple of things wrong with this.

First of all, you're saying that because some people misuse guns(actually not that many when compared to the population of America which owns guns yet does not illegally use them), then everyone should be highly regulated on guns.
Of course. This is the whole purpose of most penal laws in modern democratic states.
Just because some people misuse drugs, then everyone should be highly regulated on drugs.
Just because some people commit murders, then everyone should be highly regulated on their right to kill others.

Yes, I do think that because "only a tiny fraction can go wrong" with guns is sufficient enough of a reason to strongly regulate their use.

So, if we allow the government to entirely control guns, then we are basically submitting to them. The system owns us at that point. Why? Because then the soldiers who leave the military in this time of crisis will also have no guns. The only ones who will be left that would have actual powers would be the government dogs who stayed in the military of the people.
I see it as wrong on many levels. First, guns are highly regulated in most countries. It was the case during WWII in occupied countries; did it prevent people from getting weapons and explosives and actively resist? Of course not.

Second, what makes you think a population with zero experience in war will suddenly turn into a successful opponent against what's one of the best armies in the world? What weight do have personal guns against the advanced weaponry used by the US army?

Third, even if I admit the idea of allowing guns for defense against a potentially nasty government, does this justify selling guns to children? Or to paranoid people?

And finally, shouldn't the risks of the US government to become an oppressive dictatorship that requires citizens to take arms against it be balanced against the risks of guns being misused?

Actually, I'm really wondering how many people buy guns because they think "this will help me protect my freedom", and how many do because it is cool and they enjoy using them for sports, hunting, etc. Or rather, I'm not really wondering; if US citizens are no better on average than those in other countries, I already know the answer.

[DriveAlive]

Of course. This is the whole purpose of most penal laws in modern democratic states.
Just because some people misuse drugs, then everyone should be highly regulated on drugs.
Just because some people commit murders, then everyone should be highly regulated on their right to kill others.

Yes, I do think that because "only a tiny fraction can go wrong" with guns is sufficient enough of a reason to strongly regulate their use.


I see it as wrong on many levels. First, guns are highly regulated in most countries. It was the case during WWII in occupied countries; did it prevent people from getting weapons and explosives and actively resist? Of course not.

Second, what makes you think a population with zero experience in war will suddenly turn into a successful opponent against what's one of the best armies in the world? What weight do have personal guns against the advanced weaponry used by the US army?

Third, even if I admit the idea of allowing guns for defense against a potentially nasty government, does this justify selling guns to children? Or to paranoid people?

And finally, shouldn't the risks of the US government to become an oppressive dictatorship that requires citizens to take arms against it be balanced against the risks of guns being misused?

Actually, I'm really wondering how many people buy guns because they think "this will help me protect my freedom", and how many do because it is cool and they enjoy using them for sports, hunting, etc. Or rather, I'm not really wondering; if US citizens are no better on average than those in other countries, I already know the answer.

First, your murder comparison is wrong because it is against the law to commit murder, just as it is against the law to kill someone with a gun. The difference is that you want more regulations on guns and not on anything else that can kill someone. The point that we are making here is that there are already laws in place that say it is illegal to use a gun to commit a crime, as well as many other laws regarding illegal actiivities with guns. So, if you added more regulations, you would only be punishing those people who legally own guns.

Second, your whole point about armed resistance against the military is flawed because if there ever was some sort of oppressive gov., almost all of the people in the military would join the civilians. How many army veterans do you know that would kill their own neighbors and families just because someone told them to. It goes against the very reason why these people join in the first place. Also, the problem with your WWII examples is that most of these armed resistance groups either were formed by members of the military or received guns from foreign militaries. If you look at the Jewish ghettos across Europe, you can see what happens when the people don't have access to arms. But if you look at the Warsaw ghetto uprising, you can see what happens when average citizens do have guns.

Third, I have never seen a gun sold legally to a child. The reason being, it is illegal. We have laws in America that say that it is illegal to sell a gun to a child, criminal, mentally ill person, etc. so I don't really see a purpose to this point.

Finally, I don't get your point about why people want to buy a gun, iff they want it for defending freedom or for sport. The point of the 2nd Amendment is that we have the freedom to buy a gun if we want and use it as we want, as long as it is legal. The one shooting at the Charleston Church is an example of a mentally ill person misusing a gun. If guns are such a problem, then how come there arent more shootings with any of the other 300 million or so guns in circulation in America? It seems to me that the problem here is mental illness, not gun control. Wouldn't the time and effort devoted to increasing gun control be better spent helping the mentally ill?

[Vlerchan]

If guns are such a problem, then how come there arent more shootings with any of the other 300 million or so guns in circulation in America?
The Europeans, it does seem there is a great deal of shootings in the US.

[Judean Zealot]

Also, the problem with your WWII examples is that most of these armed resistance groups either were formed by members of the military or received guns from foreign militaries. If you look at the Jewish ghettos across Europe, you can see what happens when the people don't have access to arms. But if you look at the Warsaw ghetto uprising, you can see what happens when average citizens do have guns.
Even without this, the argument is seriously flawed, considering as how the partisans and resistance fighters did in fact suffer from a chronic shortage of weaponry and ammunition.

[phuckphace]

White Nationalists are prole hicks who believe they are ubermenschen who will save this country (nope). they're most definitely not scary, just typically clannish weirdos who blame every cup of spilled milk on a conspiring Jew (some of them even go so far as to worship Woden because Christianity is, ya know, a Jewish conspiracy) but 99.9% of the time a few rage-filled forum posts is about all they can muster

the main problem with WN ideology is that it's all self-worshipping fanfiction that leaves no room for critical introspection. these people if they acquired power would literally spend all their time erecting Aryan Man statues fucking everywhere and churning out all kinds of cringeworthy kitsch and it would be awful (boldface Fraktur used unironically, etc.) and they most definitely wouldn't make the country a better place for white people either

[CharlieHorse]

A couple of things wrong with this.

First of all, you're saying that because some people misuse guns(actually not that many when compared to the population of America which owns guns yet does not illegally use them), then everyone should be highly regulated on guns. We have systems in place to deal with people who illegally use guns. They'll be stopped without having to regulate everyone's gun rights.

Second, you assume we are incapable of defeating our military when this is entirely not true. It isn't true because our military is made up of Americans. If some event were to occur in which it was the people versus the government, I think most of the military would leave if the cause of the people was good enough and just.

So, if we allow the government to entirely control guns, then we are basically submitting to them. The system owns us at that point. Why? Because then the soldiers who leave the military in this time of crisis will also have no guns. The only ones who will be left that would have actual powers would be the government dogs who stayed in the military of the people.

yes I know.
-True, most people who own guns own them responsibly.
-True, the military is just as people as people are

Honestly I don't think this is a problem that can be solved.
Shootings will go on. Cases of murderers who acquired guns illegally without regulation, and cases of people who take their parent's legal guns and shoot up a school because they are mentally insane, cases of kids accidentally killing themselves, and cases of kids purposely killing themselves, will go on.

In my opinion, if it was up to me, I would just ban all the guns and prevent the deaths, murders, and accidents that they allow.
I don't think someone should have the power to end someone else's life with a button, especially when they are misused.
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I'm sorry to hear about this news. My condolences to the family and friends. I hope things like this will stop happening.

[Danny_boi 16]

Why? Guns were not responsible for this. Hate and most likely mental illness were responsible.

There ought to be comprehensive background checks on guns. I'm all for the Second Amendment, but since it is established that he bough the gun, he should have been screen out. Someone who is mentally unstable and part of a group/ gang affiliated with violence (ie. White Supremacy groups) doesn't have the right to a fire arm. They are a risk to themselves and public safety.

[Sir Suomi]

White Nationalists are prole hicks who believe they are ubermenschen who will save this country (nope).

I'd disagree there when you consider Nationalist movements in European countries that are currently facing large amounts of Islamic migration that has been causing problems. But I'll agree that people who just say "My race is superior" are a fucking disgrace to white people.

[phuckphace]

I'd disagree there when you consider Nationalist movements in European countries that are currently facing large amounts of Islamic migration that has been causing problems. But I'll agree that people who just say "My race is superior" are a fucking disgrace to white people.

WNs are the losers who post racist cartoons on Stormfront to alert the sheeple to the looming Jewish conspiracy (deracinated Americans who are insanely jealous of European high culture/history & want us to have the same, gl with that lmao)

European nationalists on the other hand, with certain exceptions are the real deal. this may have something to do with not being rootless colonists in the world's largest rat-pen

[Sir Suomi]

WNs are the losers who post racist cartoons on Stormfront to alert the sheeple to the looming Jewish conspiracy


It's always interesting to see their posts. From time to time I do see factual things and reasonable arguments come out from them, but more times than not it's just "Hitler did nothing wrong!" mantra.

Although I have ran into some interesting evidence showing that the ~6,000,000 holocaust victim statistic may be way off, putting it more a like ~2,000,000 or so. See, that's not as bad then, right? :P

[phuckphace]

Although I have ran into some interesting evidence showing that the ~6,000,000 holocaust victim statistic may be way off, putting it more a like ~2,000,000 or so. See, that's not as bad then, right? :P

the most ironic thing about Holocaust body-count conspiracies is that a good portion of the evidence for the Holocaust comes from records kept by the NSDAP themselves. it's uncontested by pretty much everybody that ~5.5 - 6 million Jewish people were in fact rounded up and holocausted. there's also other evidence like population estimates & of course the fact that Allied forces actually showed up at the camps and saw shit going down with their own eyes. in other words, if you buy into the claim that the ~6 million figure was fudged, you'd also have to believe that Hitler was in on the "Jewish conspiracy" too.

the point where my opinion diverges on the subject is the degree to which we should care about it. a good portion of the Jew Crew thinks every major city in the US needs a Holocaust museum to remind us evil gentiles of just how evil we are (and a lot of Americans are Judeophiles because Christianity, which is hilarious because both religions consider one another heretical). there is surprisingly little acknowledgement from the Jew Crew of the surviving Jews who hid from Hitler with a lot of life-risking help from das Herrenvolk themselves.

[Microcosm]

the most ironic thing about Holocaust body-count conspiracies is that a good portion of the evidence for the Holocaust comes from records kept by the NSDAP themselves. it's uncontested by pretty much everybody that ~5.5 - 6 million Jewish people were in fact rounded up and holocausted. there's also other evidence like population estimates & of course the fact that Allied forces actually showed up at the camps and saw shit going down with their own eyes. in other words, if you buy into the claim that the ~6 million figure was fudged, you'd also have to believe that Hitler was in on the "Jewish conspiracy" too.

the point where my opinion diverges on the subject is the degree to which we should care about it. a good portion of the Jew Crew thinks every major city in the US needs a Holocaust museum to remind us evil gentiles of just how evil we are (and a lot of Americans are Judeophiles because Christianity, which is hilarious because both religions consider one another heretical). there is surprisingly little acknowledgement from the Jew Crew of the surviving Jews who hid from Hitler with a lot of life-risking help from das Herrenvolk themselves.

LOL

It's kind of racist of them to even say that. They are saying that it is the fault of white people that the Holocaust happened. No, rather it's the fault of the Nazis for being crazy, racist mofos.

[Uniquemind]

LOL

It's kind of racist of them to even say that. They are saying that it is the fault of white people that the Holocaust happened. No, rather it's the fault of the Nazis for being crazy, racist mofos.

Yeah. But people get crazy when the basic needs aren't being met.

Remember the punishments afflicted upon Germany as a result of WWI set up the emotional stage for the German people to believe in a scapegoat for blame which Hitler provided them to then allow the world to roll into WWII.

Idk if anybody else does this but I see WWI and WWII being really one long historical event because they fed into each other prejudices and all.