Keep failing.

[Body odah Man]

Sorry if this is in the wrong section

As some of you may know I'm trying to stop masturbating but IT'S NOT WORKING :( :( :( :(
Tried praying, self bribery, the works, yet keep relapsing, sometimes even right after I pray
Am I damned forever? Can God ever forgive me? What do I do to stop addiction???
Every time after I relapse I feel super sad andterrible, like all joy is gone and I have done something horrible
All advice is welcome . Please

[ImCoolBeans]

TWPR :arrow: Puberty 101

Please do not post puberty related topics in General Discussions.

[aalleexx]

You don't ever have to feel guilty. It's something more than normal. Read below:
I always wondered about this, and two years ago I did some substantial research, I still don't have a definite conclusion. However here is what I found out:

1) Scientifically it could be your brain, when you masturbate your brain releases a bunch of chemicals to stimulate pleasure, and when those chemicals suddenly become depleted because you masturbated, you just feel depressed and sad and unmotivated (Dopamine). It is very similar to how "drugs" work. In fact, masturbation addiction has been medically compared to heroine addiction simply because of the way in works. Intense pleasure...moment of regret, dissapointment, depression, guilt...then you go back for more.

2) Could be just your emotions. I mean...you could be unknowingly masturbating due to some psychological reason....lonely, no companion, stress relieve, etc. At the end of all of it though...you realize you're still lonely. You just had sex with yourself technically speaking! You feel guilty because you realize nothing has changed, it was just temporary pleasure.

3) Religious perspective: you did something MORALLY WRONG. If you are a Christian you should know exactly what I am talking about. It's morally wrong to commit to lust and fornification. After you finish masturbating...your moral conscience notifies you that you just commited sin, and thusly the guilt ensues.

Although I don't know which one is exactly correct, it is the combination of all of them that led me to stop masturbating. Although it has been hard along the way.

[Body odah Man]

You don't ever have to feel guilty. It's something more than normal. Read below:

Makes sense. How to stop it though...

[The captain]

masturbating is normal...99 % do and other 1% lies about it..don't feel guilty

[aalleexx]

Makes sense. How to stop it though...
That's the point. Why to stop?

[Body odah Man]

That's the point. Why to stop?

A. the very fact that after I do it I feel super depressed and like I've failed God.
B. The fact it's a sin (see A)

[aalleexx]

It isn't a sin. Stop believing all bullshits from religion.

[Body odah Man]

It isn't a sin. Stop believing all bullshits from religion.

Do the words: 'makes me feel depressed' just not get registered by you or something? I'm grateful you explained likely causes as to WHY I feel this way, but I'd also like to know, if you know, how to deal with it. So please stop treating it as an irrelevant issue

[beenthere]

Hey Dude, we talked a while ago, I said before about there is nothing in the bible about masterbation. Lust is what the bible talks about. So of course sometimes it is hard to separate the 2, but it can be done. So what I am telling you is that you can masterbate without it being a sin. You are a normal human boy, so your not going to stop the need for releasing sometimes. what you are doing to yourself now is kind of damaging. it will have long impacts to the relationships you have later in you life. Don't make sex a bad thing, it is gift, and a gift you should enjoy. So I suggest to you that you focus on separating lust from masterbation, and let yourself enjoy the gifts you've been given. I had the same thoughts as you when I was 16, the reason the church says masterbation is a sin is because it is associated with lust. Dont get me wrong, you will be week sometimes for that, but I am telling you don't make sex something bad because it is not bad. If you intend to do things in a christian way that means you will only have sex with the woman that becomes your wife. in the meantime until that happens, you still are a man, and you will need to release sometimes, so make it a good thing, not a bad thing. Go back and look what i said to you before, it was good information.

[Hermes]

Regarding such things as dopamine levels, there is period immediately after orgasm when guys tend to feel relaxed and sleepy and the previous excitement has gone but:

1. That is not the same thing as being depressed.
2. The effect is temporary. It lasts long enough to drift off to sleep, if you masturbate last thing at night and then in the morning you a normal guy would feel refreshed. At any other time of day it would not normally last more than about 20 minutes.

If you feel depressed it is because you have set yourself a task which is just about impossible for most people (not masturbating) and are disappointed about failing to achieve it. If you decided you were going to jump 4 metres at high jump and duly set out trying. Each attempt would be a failure as the current world record is 2.45m. If you were convinced you were special and should be the new world record holder kept trying for 4m the repeated failures would get you down.

So, the route to avoid being depressed about this is to make a decision to stop trying not to masturbate.

[pie134]

masterbation is good

[Body odah Man]

Regarding such things as dopamine levels, there is period immediately after orgasm when guys tend to feel relaxed and sleepy and the previous excitement has gone but:

1. That is not the same thing as being depressed.
2. The effect is temporary. It lasts long enough to drift off to sleep, if you masturbate last thing at night and then in the morning you a normal guy would feel refreshed. At any other time of day it would not normally last more than about 20 minutes.

If you feel depressed it is because you have set yourself a task which is just about impossible for most people (not masturbating) and are disappointed about failing to achieve it. If you decided you were going to jump 4 metres at high jump and duly set out trying. Each attempt would be a failure as the current world record is 2.45m. If you were convinced you were special and should be the new world record holder kept trying for 4m the repeated failures would get you down.

So, the route to avoid being depressed about this is to make a decision to stop trying not to masturbate.

The depression lasted longer than 20 minutes. As for your 'solution' : I'm not sure it would work for me. I kindof really WANT to stop. People HAVE done it (Internet, IRL stories are my sources) so it should be possible.
masterbation is good

For you maybe.

I realize I've been begging the wrong demographic.

[Baileyy]

It's a normal thing man.

[Body odah Man]

I don't care how normal everyone reading this finds it. To me it's depressing and really messing me up. So I'm begging you guys; no matter your personal opinion PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be constructive and helpful, don't parrot your own beliefs.

[beenthere]

You know what Dude, You can stop, and all it takes is determination. You need to dedicate yourself to something. If you really want to stop that bad, then don't let yourself get board. Take notice of what your faith teaches you. Christians take their biggeest weakness and turn it into their bigggest strength. If you are not going too be flexible in your view, then get some help, I would suggest you look for a "celebrate recovery" class in a local church, I can guarantee there is a class very close to where you are,, Just go and listen, and you will get the point, and to be honest I think it would be a big help to you. I guarantee if you can be honest that you will find what you are looking for there. Becuase everyone there is a struggling christian that is trying to stop doing something that they can't stop. give it a chance. Im not trying to beat you up, I'm trying to show you something that could help you.

[foxtrot.12]

Hey been there! It comes down to what you want. If you truly think that jerking is no longer in your best interest...you'll get there. As odd as it sounds, try the 12 step AA program modified for masturbation. Also, finding someone who is trying to quit too helps a lot. First and foremost, decided if you want it stopped.

[Body odah Man]

You know what Dude, You can stop, and all it takes is determination. You need to dedicate yourself to something. If you really want to stop that bad, then don't let yourself get board. Take notice of what your faith teaches you. Christians take their biggeest weakness and turn it into their bigggest strength. If you are not going too be flexible in your view, then get some help, I would suggest you look for a "celebrate recovery" class in a local church, I can guarantee there is a class very close to where you are,, Just go and listen, and you will get the point, and to be honest I think it would be a big help to you. I guarantee if you can be honest that you will find what you are looking for there. Becuase everyone there is a struggling christian that is trying to stop doing something that they can't stop. give it a chance. Im not trying to beat you up, I'm trying to show you something that could help you.

No churches near ere, but going to study in the city of Leiden so might be some there. I'll check that out, thank you so much :) :) :)

[beenthere]

I didnt know where you were located, but if you are goin to the university, then maybe you might find it there, but who knows maybe you will be the one to start it there. Don't give up on it easy, check out the web site for celibrate recovery. maybe that is sometthing too dedicate yourself too. if you want a deeper understanding of christianity, that is a great place to look.

[Body odah Man]

I didnt know where you were located, but if you are goin to the university, then maybe you might find it there, but who knows maybe you will be the one to start it there. Don't give up on it easy, check out the web site for celibrate recovery. maybe that is sometthing too dedicate yourself too. if you want a deeper understanding of christianity, that is a great place to look.

I ddi not know that. I thank you my friend; I shall take a look at it :)

[Hercules]

Dude. Same. Message me

[DriveAlive]

If you are Catholic, then according to the Catholic Bible, masturbation is not a sin. Anyone who tells you it is, has just misinterpreted the passage about the sin of Onan. Lust is a sin, but not masturbation. Don't ever feel guilty about a natural and healthy bodily process, just as long as you don't let it control you or lead you to more morally questionable behaviors, such as the use of pornography.

[Bluebyrd]

You really need the will to do it. That's the only thing

[Jaffe]

I realize I've been begging the wrong demographic.

You are SO right.

You already know that I don't share your beliefs, but I do respect them. If you want help stopping, a bunch of hormone-driven teenagers is probably not your best support group.

But there have to be other places. There are lots of Christian Forums out there, and even some Christian Teen forums. You might find a more helpful base there.

I'm not telling you to leave VT! We (or at least I) would miss you if you did, but in addition to VT, you might check out some Christian based forums.

[Body odah Man]

You are SO right.

You already know that I don't share your beliefs, but I do respect them. If you want help stopping, a bunch of hormone-driven teenagers is probably not your best support group.

But there have to be other places. There are lots of Christian Forums out there, and even some Christian Teen forums. You might find a more helpful base there.

I'm not telling you to leave VT! We (or at least I) would miss you if you did, but in addition to VT, you might check out some Christian based forums.

I will admit that I had not thought things through very well when I made this thread. And no, I shan't leave VTF, but I will check those forums maybe. Thanks

[CuriousConner]

You can't stop because it gives you a feeling of distress

[TylerK]

Don't worry about masturbation, it is perfectly normal and actually healthy for you.

[Fleek]

Um, by you saying this, you are implying you never will have sex becauae it is a sin as well???

[Body odah Man]

You can't stop because it gives you a feeling of distress

Pretty much, which is why I need advice.

Don't worry about masturbation, it is perfectly normal and actually healthy for you.

Wow, I really don't care. I want to stop it, even if 99 percent of the population does it. And I will continue to want to stop until you or anyone else finds me indubitable proof it's not a sin.

Um, by you saying this, you are implying you never will have sex becauae it is a sin as well???

Sex before marriage is so yes I am.

[CuriousConner]

Pretty much, which is why I need advice.



Wow, I really don't care. I want to stop it, even if 99 percent of the population does it. And I will continue to want to stop until you or anyone else finds me indubitable proof it's not a sin.



Sex before marriage is so yes I am.

Why don't you contact a psychological therapist for some advice then

[Body odah Man]

Why don't you contact a psychological therapist for some advice then

Because sadly I believed you guys would be helpful

[TylerK]

Wow, I really don't care. I want to stop it, even if 99 percent of the population does it. And I will continue to want to stop until you or anyone else finds me indubitable proof it's not a sin.


Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. I guess I shouldn't involve myself in this because I myself am an Atheist so I can't say anything about religious topics. I do educate myself pretty well in the hindu muslim and christian faiths but whenever I bring up the fact that I'm an atheist all the religious people say that I don't know anything :what:

[Body odah Man]

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. I guess I shouldn't involve myself in this because I myself am an Atheist so I can't say anything about religious topics. I do educate myself pretty well in the hindu muslim and christian faiths but whenever I bring up the fact that I'm an atheist all the religious people say that I don't know anything :what:

Oh, I'm not offended, dw. I was just annoyed because it seemed to me like you had misread the first post and weren't giving a constructive answer. Sorry, I should have been more clear

[TylerK]

Oh, I'm not offended, dw. I was just annoyed because it seemed to me like you had misread the first post and weren't giving a constructive answer. Sorry, I should have been more clear

Well, masturbation according to the bible is not a sin, as it is never actually mentioned. The only thing that is a sin is the thought of adultery, thinking of sexual things. "The Bible never explicitly mentions masturbation or states whether or not masturbation is a sin"

[Uniquemind]

Well, masturbation according to the bible is not a sin, as it is never actually mentioned. The only thing that is a sin is the thought of adultery, thinking of sexual things. "The Bible never explicitly mentions masturbation or states whether or not masturbation is a sin"

Nope thinking about sexual things is not fornication or adultery.

That line of interpretation of scripture comes from a mistranslation of the NIV, but it does not exist in the King James or original Hebrew.

Those lines of scripture were indicating how if one's mind was constantly on sexual and lusty thoughts they were in danger of committing the sin, because they were close to a "fit of passion" and losing self-control.

But the meaning of that scripture DID NOT imply the thought itself was the same as performing the act of the sin (actually having sex with a married person).

The Old Testament is very clear that the act itself was the sin, not the thought of said act. That definition holds true throughout the New Testament as well.


Thought I would clarify that up.

I also want to say that if the thought itself was the sin, there'd be no point or incentive in resisting one's urges for performing the act anyway.

[Body odah Man]

Nope thinking about sexual things is not fornication or adultery.

That line of interpretation of scripture comes from a mistranslation of the NIV, but it does not exist in the King James or original Hebrew.

Those lines of scripture were indicating how if one's mind was constantly on sexual and lusty thoughts they were in danger of committing the sin, because they were close to a "fit of passion" and losing self-control.

But the meaning of that scripture DID NOT imply the thought itself was the same as performing the act of the sin (actually having sex with a married person).

The Old Testament is very clear that the act itself was the sin, not the thought of said act. That definition holds true throughout the New Testament as well.


Thought I would clarify that up.

I also want to say that if the thought itself was the sin, there'd be no point or incentive in resisting one's urges for performing the act anyway.

Ahh, that makes a lot of sense. One question tho,
In't 'sex before marriage' adultery?

[TylerK]

Nope thinking about sexual things is not fornication or adultery.

The Old Testament is very clear that the act itself was the sin, not the thought of said act. That definition holds true throughout the New Testament as well.


Hmm, every church that I've went to has said that thinking about committing sexual acts is a sin. Guess I'll have to look into it.

[Hermes]

Oh, I'm not offended, dw. I was just annoyed because it seemed to me like you had misread the first post and weren't giving a constructive answer. Sorry, I should have been more clear.

I think you have to accept that when people give help or advice voluntarily they do so from the perspective of their own beliefs. As an extreme example, if you had asked for advice on ways to kill yourself do you think you would have receieved it, rather than people trying to talk you out of it?

Nope thinking about sexual things is not fornication or adultery.

That line of interpretation of scripture comes from a mistranslation of the NIV, but it does not exist in the King James or original Hebrew.

Those lines of scripture were indicating how if one's mind was constantly on sexual and lusty thoughts they were in danger of committing the sin, because they were close to a "fit of passion" and losing self-control.

But the meaning of that scripture DID NOT imply the thought itself was the same as performing the act of the sin (actually having sex with a married person).

The Old Testament is very clear that the act itself was the sin, not the thought of said act. That definition holds true throughout the New Testament as well.

Thought I would clarify that up.

The verse I am aware of is Matthew 5:28. You can see the various versions of this at BibleHub (http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-28.htm). There are also loads of cross references on that page which I have not read.

Ahh, that makes a lot of sense. One question tho,
In't 'sex before marriage' adultery?

That depends on your definition of adultery. The common definition (see Wikipedia on Adultery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery)) refers specifically to sex where at least one of the two people having sex together is married and the two people concerned are not married to each other. That doesn't mean your religion condones sex between two single people - see Wikipedia on Extramarital Sex (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extramarital_sex#Religions).

[Body odah Man]

I think you have to accept that when people give help or advice voluntarily they do so from the perspective of their own beliefs. As an extreme example, if you had asked for advice on ways to kill yourself do you think you would have receieved it, rather than people trying to talk you out of it?



The verse I am aware of is Matthew 5:28. You can see the various versions of this at BibleHub (http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-28.htm). There are also loads of cross references on that page which I have not read.



That depends on your definition of adultery. The common definition (see Wikipedia on Adultery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery)) refers specifically to sex where at least one of the two people having sex together is married and the two people concerned are not married to each other. That doesn't mean your religion condones sex between two single people - see Wikipedia on Extramarital Sex (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extramarital_sex#Religions).

Ahh I see. Thanks.

[Hermes]

To clarify a little on what I said above I would not consider masturbation to be sex.

I think it all makes sense if you imagine a time when women generally did not have paid jobs and reliable contraception was not readily available. Then set a goal that children should be born into a stable relationship where the woman nutures the child and the man provides for his family in knowledge that the child is his. Most other things flow from that...

What's wrong with adultery? It could trick a man into supporting a child that is not his.

What's wrong with sex before marriage? Assuming marriage is the only intrument by which people commit to stay together for the long term it risks a woman having a child with no man to support her.

What's wrong with being promiscuous? It risks a woman having a child for which the father cannot be identified and therefore it is not clear who should support her and the child.

Some things have changed since the scriptures were written - we have contraception, DNA tests and child maintenance orders so reasonable people may choose to go by the spirit of the rules rather than the letter of them but the goal remains a worthy one.

So, how does that relate to masturbation? Masturbation does not risk creating children so it does not cause any of those problems unless you choose to fantasise in such a way you think you are likely to engage in sex that does have one of these problems.

[chou-k]

Why u want to stop masturbating ?

[Jaffe]

Nope thinking about sexual things is not fornication or adultery.

That line of interpretation of scripture comes from a mistranslation of the NIV, but it does not exist in the King James or original Hebrew

The Old Testament is very clear that the act itself was the sin, not the thought of said act. That definition holds true throughout the New Testament as well.


I am not quite sure that is right, about the transition from OT to NT. The OT is quite clear that only actions are sin. But in the NT, Christ specifically stated that thoughts can be just as sinful. He specifically, however, pointed that to thoughts of sex with another person. That could easily be interpreted to mean that if your masturbation fantasies include sex with another person, you have already committed that sin, "in your heart" as the KJV states it. On the other hand, if your masturbation fantasies are generic, not about a specific person, or you have no fantasies.... then the NT really doesnt address that.

Who knows what it all really means anyway? We know the KJV is not perfect. The Luther Bible that it was translated from uses different names than the KJV. And the latin version that the LB came from had even different ones. So we really don't know how much came through the various languages, either by translation errors or from injection of personal opinions and viewpoints. Plus, the OT was written in Hebrew, and the Apocrypha and NT in Greek, and we don't even know if the Greek writers understood Hebrew.

So really, it's impossible to say if the bible really condemns masturbation or any other sexual act. What really counts, I suppose, is the church that a person belongs to, or believes in, and whether the person believes that his/her church has interpreted the bible correctly. It boils down to the specific situation and belief of the individual, and his relationship to his chosen church.

I won't pretend to be a religious or particularly spiritual person. To me, the bible is history, and I love and study history, including the bible. And in my view, Religion is two things: 1. A timeline that practically wrote the timeline of history. 2. A set of emotions that is and always has been so intense in humans, that normal people are willing to kill for it.

But I am pretty sure that the OP's relationship with his church, and his chosen interpretation of God, is what drives his need. Although you are doing a pretty good job of converting him! I enjoy reading your posts and insights.

[Uniquemind]

I am not quite sure that is right, about the transition from OT to NT. The OT is quite clear that only actions are sin. But in the NT, Christ specifically stated that thoughts can be just as sinful. He specifically, however, pointed that to thoughts of sex with another person. That could easily be interpreted to mean that if your masturbation fantasies include sex with another person, you have already committed that sin, "in your heart" as the KJV states it. On the other hand, if your masturbation fantasies are generic, not about a specific person, or you have no fantasies.... then the NT really doesnt address that.

Who knows what it all really means anyway? We know the KJV is not perfect. The Luther Bible that it was translated from uses different names than the KJV. And the latin version that the LB came from had even different ones. So we really don't know how much came through the various languages, either by translation errors or from injection of personal opinions and viewpoints. Plus, the OT was written in Hebrew, and the Apocrypha and NT in Greek, and we don't even know if the Greek writers understood Hebrew.

So really, it's impossible to say if the bible really condemns masturbation or any other sexual act. What really counts, I suppose, is the church that a person belongs to, or believes in, and whether the person believes that his/her church has interpreted the bible correctly. It boils down to the specific situation and belief of the individual, and his relationship to his chosen church.

I won't pretend to be a religious or particularly spiritual person. To me, the bible is history, and I love and study history, including the bible. And in my view, Religion is two things: 1. A timeline that practically wrote the timeline of history. 2. A set of emotions that is and always has been so intense in humans, that normal people are willing to kill for it.

But I am pretty sure that the OP's relationship with his church, and his chosen interpretation of God, is what drives his need. Although you are doing a pretty good job of converting him! I enjoy reading your posts and insights.



Nope.

I see your point and it makes sense.

But the KJV passage you site comes from a Hebrew source that was more nuanced and implies Jesus was teaching more intricate and finite argumentation that what is lazily spouted as broad truth today.

I am not saying the KJV is perfect either.


Also the bible or even the scriptures pre-bible say there is only 1 proper way to understand the scriptures which should yield no contradictions whatsoever.

This then leads to the logic of this:

If you read the bible and you have a contradiction in how you understand it.

You understand it wrong.

Start again in the spirit of being humble so you will not be like the Pharisees, and also understanding the faith happens not just by reading symbols on a page and thinking but also by practicing it as well.

[Body odah Man]

I am not quite sure that is right, about the transition from OT to NT. The OT is quite clear that only actions are sin. But in the NT, Christ specifically stated that thoughts can be just as sinful. He specifically, however, pointed that to thoughts of sex with another person. That could easily be interpreted to mean that if your masturbation fantasies include sex with another person, you have already committed that sin, "in your heart" as the KJV states it. On the other hand, if your masturbation fantasies are generic, not about a specific person, or you have no fantasies.... then the NT really doesnt address that.

Who knows what it all really means anyway? We know the KJV is not perfect. The Luther Bible that it was translated from uses different names than the KJV. And the latin version that the LB came from had even different ones. So we really don't know how much came through the various languages, either by translation errors or from injection of personal opinions and viewpoints. Plus, the OT was written in Hebrew, and the Apocrypha and NT in Greek, and we don't even know if the Greek writers understood Hebrew.

So really, it's impossible to say if the bible really condemns masturbation or any other sexual act. What really counts, I suppose, is the church that a person belongs to, or believes in, and whether the person believes that his/her church has interpreted the bible correctly. It boils down to the specific situation and belief of the individual, and his relationship to his chosen church.

I won't pretend to be a religious or particularly spiritual person. To me, the bible is history, and I love and study history, including the bible. And in my view, Religion is two things: 1. A timeline that practically wrote the timeline of history. 2. A set of emotions that is and always has been so intense in humans, that normal people are willing to kill for it.

But I am pretty sure that the OP's relationship with his church, and his chosen interpretation of God, is what drives his need. Although you are doing a pretty good job of converting him! I enjoy reading your posts and insights.

Yeah, translation errors crop up SO often it's not even funny. Who even knows what the original Bible was like TBH. Sadly I don't feel converted tho, hahaha, but I do also enjoy those posts. And I currently don't have a church (parents are atheists), but going to move to Leiden and will be able to go to church there :)

Why u want to stop masturbating ?

I always feel guilty after doing it and bit down

[Uniquemind]

Ahh, that makes a lot of sense. One question tho,
In't 'sex before marriage' adultery?

No.

Re-read your OT, each type of sin is dependent on the details and marital status of one or both individuals having sex.

If both parties are single and unbetrothed, then it is fornication and NOT adultery.



This further confirms my long suspected fear that the Christian faith's so-called Pastors and Catholic Father's are simply the blind leading the blind if they are mis-teaching these foundations....




If you are Catholic, then according to the Catholic Bible, masturbation is not a sin. Anyone who tells you it is, has just misinterpreted the passage about the sin of Onan. Lust is a sin, but not masturbation. Don't ever feel guilty about a natural and healthy bodily process, just as long as you don't let it control you or lead you to more morally questionable behaviors, such as the use of pornography.

Actually true it's not specifically mentioned, but the bible has another passage in it that does specifically say it is better to basically (not being crass on purpose) to ejaculate in a woman, rather than to spill the seed on the ground/earth.

Regardless of marital status...


Coitus interruptus (aka: the pullout method of birth control) is literally what Onan pissed off God for doing.


God does not like the pull out method.

That's what that passage says. (LMAO)


To clarify a little on what I said above I would not consider masturbation to be sex.

I think it all makes sense if you imagine a time when women generally did not have paid jobs and reliable contraception was not readily available. Then set a goal that children should be born into a stable relationship where the woman nutures the child and the man provides for his family in knowledge that the child is his. Most other things flow from that...

What's wrong with adultery? It could trick a man into supporting a child that is not his.

What's wrong with sex before marriage? Assuming marriage is the only intrument by which people commit to stay together for the long term it risks a woman having a child with no man to support her.

What's wrong with being promiscuous? It risks a woman having a child for which the father cannot be identified and therefore it is not clear who should support her and the child.

Some things have changed since the scriptures were written - we have contraception, DNA tests and child maintenance orders so reasonable people may choose to go by the spirit of the rules rather than the letter of them but the goal remains a worthy one.

So, how does that relate to masturbation? Masturbation does not risk creating children so it does not cause any of those problems unless you choose to fantasise in such a way you think you are likely to engage in sex that does have one of these problems.

I don't like how women (girls actually by modern definition since some married, pregnant, bought/sold off/enslaved/captured/raped at ages we still consider girls) where chattel property back then.

But I get why they needed to be in ancient times. I blame men though.

Still I get why a loving father would have to keep their daughter's sexual independence in-check because if any guy woo'd her and had sex with her, the girl's consequences are much more dangerous post-sex than a guy's are after the deed.

A father and mother have to acknowledge, as does the girl, that having sex could mean the end of her life due to pregnancy, birth trauma, and sexual diseases.

Any loving mother or father would have to out of necessity revoke their daughter's sexual freedom out of love.



Girls were also easier to track where they'd been sexually than it was to track where guys sexual histories have been.

This of course complements what Hermes has said. It adds to his argument.

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Of course this is sadly the double standard's origin of why we don't treat women equally in modern society...that has to be fixed.

But make no mistake if sexually transmitted diseases become aggressive to the point where teens are dying, or being infertile post-illness if they recover, because antibiotics aren't working anymore.


Sexual freedoms go bye-bye.

And I'd actually argue for using technology to help track both boys and girls equally which wasn't an option in ancient days.

[Mark2000]

You guys are Great! I also am stopping doing it. You put a new perspective to doing it. I know VT has good people,

Thanks

[Jaffe]

Yeah, translation errors crop up SO often it's not even funny. Who even knows what the original Bible was like TBH. Sadly I don't feel converted tho, hahaha, but I do also enjoy those posts. And I currently don't have a church (parents are atheists), but going to move to Leiden and will be able to go to church there :)



I always feel guilty after doing it and bit down

Glad to hear from you again. I was afraid to post any more on this, because I felt like we were hijacking your thread with a Bible discussion. But it seems like you are okay with that?

Somewhere in your personal history, someone must have condemned you for masturbating, or your conscience would not have kicked in. Or at the very least, they never approved of it. In any case, its a struggle and I guess its up to you to decide if its a biblical question or a personal viewpoint question, or not a question at all...

But tell us when we deviate from your thread too much. We can always open the neverending-bible-debate in a new thread.

[Body odah Man]

Glad to hear from you again. I was afraid to post any more on this, because I felt like we were hijacking your thread with a Bible discussion. But it seems like you are okay with that?

Somewhere in your personal history, someone must have condemned you for masturbating, or your conscience would not have kicked in. Or at the very least, they never approved of it. In any case, its a struggle and I guess its up to you to decide if its a biblical question or a personal viewpoint question, or not a question at all...

But tell us when we deviate from your thread too much. We can always open the neverending-bible-debate in a new thread.

But I like the bible discussions. Teaches me so much :)
TBH, I don't know where my guilt comes from. Odd.

You guys are Great! I also am stopping doing it. You put a new perspective to doing it. I know VT has good people,

Thanks

Be prepared for a lot of sturggle. But I, at least, support you. Let me know any strategies you discover.

[Living For Love]

Just want to try and clear up some things here.

A. the very fact that after I do it I feel super depressed and like I've failed God.
B. The fact it's a sin (see A)
First of all, you cannot hurt God, because his grace is just big enough to deal with any kind of sin. Second, the fact that you feel super depressed afterwards is actually a good thing, because it means you're actually really connected to God, and somehow you feel your relationship with him is being damaged by your behaviour. Acknowledging the issue is the first step to actually solve it the best way possible.

Now, another important question: is masturbation a sin or not?

The Bible does not mention anything about masturbation. The verse that some people could probably associate with it is Genesis 38:9, which states the following: "But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother." (NIV). Basically, what made God angry was not the fact that he was wasting his semen, it was the fact that he was not fulfilling God's command, which was to raise up offspring for Onan's brother.

God only allows sexual activities through a marital relationship, and while masturbation can help us find sexual release when we cannot control our desire, it is almost inevitably associated with sexual fantasies, lustful thoughts and pornographic images, and this is where it can go wrong and lead to sin.

(...) the reason the church says masturbation is a sin is because it is associated with lust.

This is precisely where I'm trying to get to. Basically, the things that actually lead to the act are by far more worthy of repentance than the act itself.

Think of it like this: what makes you want to masturbate? Is it sexual thoughts, pornographic images? The best way to stop doing it is trying to determine what is really causing you to do it. If it's pornography, then install an anti-porn extension on your browser, there are plenty of them, free to use. If it's sexual and lustful thoughts, when you start thinking about them, go listen to music, or play a video game, or read something, I don't know, just make sure you don't think about them, distract yourself with in way possible. And finally, invoke God's name and ask for his help, because he will hear you and he will help you. God gives the strongest battles to his strongest soldiers, and he knows what you're going through right now. Also, remember that, whenever you fail, he'll still be there right by your side to forgive you and give you one more opportunity, because he loves you so much he sacrificed his only Son to save you, there is no sin that he doesn't forgive.

It does take a lot of willpower to overcome any addiction, or to change any kind of behaviour we're accustomed to, but it is possible, believe in yourself and have faith. :)

[Mark2000]

But I like the bible discussions. Teaches me so much :)
TBH, I don't know where my guilt comes from. Odd.



Be prepared for a lot of sturggle. But I, at least, support you. Let me know any strategies you discover.
I am looking with the help of my Dad a penis chasitity devise. Do not slam me please.

[Jaffe]

But I like the bible discussions. Teaches me so much :)

Then I suppose we carry on..... Although we are not teachers, just people who like to spout out our opinions. And remember, that's all they are. OPINIONS.

You will get the God-side of this from Uniquemind and Brooklyn Nights, and the history side from me. How's that? We do not agree on religion, but they have some awesome ideas, and can actually support them, a rare thing on VT, as you have seen in this thread.

Uniquemind has some really good points, especially as to what scripture says. (I use the term loosely here, because “scripture” by definition is canonized writing, and various denominations use different writings, all of them labeled as “scripture” in modern Christianity.) Point number one that we agree on: No where in the bible is masturbation mentioned. It is an issue in some modern Christian sects only by interpretation of scripture, and the interpretation is made by each sect. Not all Christian sects are anti-masturbation. Not all Christian sects are anti-gay. Etc etc etc.

From a historical viewpoint, the OT and NT are two completely different books, two completely different histories, two completely different sets of laws and rules for believers. The two books were not combined into the single book, the Bible, until 400 years after Jesus. Some Christian churches use the OT to establish their doctrine, some use the much more liberal NT to establish doctrine. And a few try to use various weird combinations of the two.

The OT contains the laws of the Hebrews, and the Hebrews were brutal. They convinced a group of non-Hebrew men to be circumcised in order to join their group, then when the men were in pain, they slaughtered them. In another instance, a man was threatened by a mob, and in exchange for leaving him alone, he gave his wife and daughter to the mob to be used for their pleasure. These kind of things, supposedly done under God's command, contrast to a large degree with the things Jesus preferred. Granted, Jesus was a radical in his time. After all, he stated, in direct opposition to the Temple Priests, that the messiah would save the Jews spiritually, not save them from the Romans as the Temple Priests that taught for many generations. Jesus was one in a long line of messiahs, but the first to teach that doctrine. Remember, too, that Jesus did not start Christianity as a religion. Until 70 AD, Christianity was a radical sect of Judaism. The Romans inadvertently created Christianity as a stand-alone religion by destroying Jerusalem in an attempt to destroy Judaism.

So, really, you have to decide what view of religion you have. Do you follow the Hebrew teachings of the Old Testament, or the “Christian” teachings of the New Testament. It's hard to follow both, as one is a religion of love and life, and the other is a religion of violence. Obviously, Christianity has been, historically, a very violent religion. But a lot of Christian sects have chosen the NT teachings, that tell us to love others, no matter what they are or who they are, even if they do not agree with us, or live a lifestyle that we may not approve of. Figuring out which version of Christianity, if any, you are comfortable with might be the first step in your search.

I am not aware of any passage in the NT that even could be interpreted to prohibit masturbation (although someone can always pull a few words out of context and interpret them how they want). It does, as Uniquemind says, prohibit lusting after another person. So, as s/he says, if your masturbation is driven by lustful, explicit fantasies, then yeah, it is anti-Christian behaviour. But not all masturbation is like that. It can be just a physical need, without real fantasies.

Dr Dobson, a Christian who founded Focus On The Family, had a unique viewpoint. I disagree with almost all of Dobson's theories and preachings. But on this one, I partially agree with him. He believes masturbation is a way for boys to release sexual tension before it reaches the point where they might commit a violent act against a girl (like rape) to get their release. He says that doing it everyday is not healthy (a point I disagree on), but that occasional masturbation, without vivid fantasies, as a method of controlling our impulses and needs is acceptable. You might consider that alternative approach, or at least check it out.

So.... we really aren't helping you much. We can't tell you what to believe or how to behave. That's entirely up to you. But maybe we can give you things to think about. I suspect that part of your issue is that you really don't have a belief system yet, as it relates to issues like sex and masturbation. That's okay, you have your whole life to figure it out. But if it bothers you a lot, you might work first on developing that system, deciding what you believe. And then pursue controlling your thoughts and actions to match. At present, it seems you are following your guilt, even though you don't know where it comes from, more than you are following your beliefs.

Wow, I definitely rambled this time. Sorry for that. I hope we aren't just creating more confusion. Also, I need to apologize for taking so long to respond all the time. I don't write really well, so these kind of responses take me most of a day to put together. With the help of Word's grammar checker and thesaurus....

[Uniquemind]

What Jaffed said.

But jaffed I will disagree with you on OT and NT being different religions. Their is a difference on emphasis in each respectively but the violence and threats shown in NT Revelation convince me it's the same God as the God of the OT it's just the emphasis was on the forgiving side of God in the NT but the vengeful wrathful side of God is still there.

Also not all actions done by the Hebrews were sanctioned by God, they exist as a narrative, but it is a common misconception that because the story is in the book it must have God's approval stamp on said events.

This is a common misconception about the faith.



Also with the man who offered his wife and daughter to the mob, you weren't referring to Lot where you?

[Anomaly]

Just think about baseball! :P

[Body odah Man]

Just think about baseball! :P

Why?
Just want to try and clear up some things here.


First of all, you cannot hurt God, because his grace is just big enough to deal with any kind of sin. Second, the fact that you feel super depressed afterwards is actually a good thing, because it means you're actually really connected to God, and somehow you feel your relationship with him is being damaged by your behaviour. Acknowledging the issue is the first step to actually solve it the best way possible.

Now, another important question: is masturbation a sin or not?

The Bible does not mention anything about masturbation. The verse that some people could probably associate with it is Genesis 38:9, which states the following: "But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother." (NIV). Basically, what made God angry was not the fact that he was wasting his semen, it was the fact that he was not fulfilling God's command, which was to raise up offspring for Onan's brother.

God only allows sexual activities through a marital relationship, and while masturbation can help us find sexual release when we cannot control our desire, it is almost inevitably associated with sexual fantasies, lustful thoughts and pornographic images, and this is where it can go wrong and lead to sin.



This is precisely where I'm trying to get to. Basically, the things that actually lead to the act are by far more worthy of repentance than the act itself.

Think of it like this: what makes you want to masturbate? Is it sexual thoughts, pornographic images? The best way to stop doing it is trying to determine what is really causing you to do it. If it's pornography, then install an anti-porn extension on your browser, there are plenty of them, free to use. If it's sexual and lustful thoughts, when you start thinking about them, go listen to music, or play a video game, or read something, I don't know, just make sure you don't think about them, distract yourself with in way possible. And finally, invoke God's name and ask for his help, because he will hear you and he will help you. God gives the strongest battles to his strongest soldiers, and he knows what you're going through right now. Also, remember that, whenever you fail, he'll still be there right by your side to forgive you and give you one more opportunity, because he loves you so much he sacrificed his only Son to save you, there is no sin that he doesn't forgive.

It does take a lot of willpower to overcome any addiction, or to change any kind of behaviour we're accustomed to, but it is possible, believe in yourself and have faith. :)

I shall try. I also hope that you are right and that God can forgive me for my failings, as I often worry about that.

[Jaffe]

What Jaffed said.

But jaffed I will disagree with you on OT and NT being different religions. Their is a difference on emphasis in each respectively but the violence and threats shown in NT Revelation convince me it's the same God as the God of the OT it's just the emphasis was on the forgiving side of God in the NT but the vengeful wrathful side of God is still there.

Also not all actions done by the Hebrews were sanctioned by God, they exist as a narrative, but it is a common misconception that because the story is in the book it must have God's approval stamp on said events.

This is a common misconception about the faith.

Also with the man who offered his wife and daughter to the mob, you weren't referring to Lot where you?

Thanks, you just gave me one of the best complements ever! Thanks!

And I appreciate the view from the inside. I admit that much of what I know is probably a "misconception" from the viewpoint of Christians, because I don't have that faith, or interpret things from a faith-based/God-based viewpoint. I do believe different viewpoints, and disagreements, are healthy things, and you've helped me understand how this looks from the other side of the glass, so to speak. Thanks for that. It's not something I dare do irl, because ... well, you know how people are about religion, and there are a lot of fanatics here where I live.

And yes, that was Lot I spoke of. Interesting story. I seem to remember reading it in two different English versions, and the story came across quite differently in the two.


Why?
I shall try. I also hope that you are right and that God can forgive me for my failings, as I often worry about that.

The Christian God is a parent. Regardless of what the bible says, a parent first and foremost loves their kids. A good parent forgives. And loves and helps and supports. I am not sure I believe in any god, but I certainly could not follow or visualize a God who did not love and forgive the mistakes his children make, and as many times as they make them, even the same mistake over and over. If you really believe in a loving god, then I am sure he has the ability, and the desire, to forgive.

[Uniquemind]

Thanks, you just gave me one of the best complements ever! Thanks!

And I appreciate the view from the inside. I admit that much of what I know is probably a "misconception" from the viewpoint of Christians, because I don't have that faith, or interpret things from a faith-based/God-based viewpoint. I do believe different viewpoints, and disagreements, are healthy things, and you've helped me understand how this looks from the other side of the glass, so to speak. Thanks for that. It's not something I dare do irl, because ... well, you know how people are about religion, and there are a lot of fanatics here where I live.

And yes, that was Lot I spoke of. Interesting story. I seem to remember reading it in two different English versions, and the story came across quite differently in the two.




The Christian God is a parent. Regardless of what the bible says, a parent first and foremost loves their kids. A good parent forgives. And loves and helps and supports. I am not sure I believe in any god, but I certainly could not follow or visualize a God who did not love and forgive the mistakes his children make, and as many times as they make them, even the same mistake over and over. If you really believe in a loving god, then I am sure he has the ability, and the desire, to forgive.

Yeah you understand the forgiving part correctly that part of God at least is taught well in almost all congregations.

However you need to understand God can only forgive those who have repented of sin, to reach a blameless state at the time of the physical death.

What repentance means for an individual is on a case by case basis due to everyone having their own flaws and whatnot.

If you believe in Christ, and the truth and depth of his teachings, you'll be saved.

You cannot be saved if you don't have the faith though, that's the only pre-requisite.

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Fanatics are the worst, they probably also don't have mental flexibility to really dig into the depth of scripture historically without feeling threatened personally regarding their own path to heaven.

This is why they tend to lash out or overtly pester people and are pushy.

Jesus was never pushy, if you believed him you dropped your stuff and started traveling with him after he preached. He never forced anybody to join.


It's also really funny too, because pastors of the 1800's believed repenting took decades, and was not instantaneous upon simply believing you were saved by understanding the idea that Christ died for your sins.


Also the bible does not say anything regarding being anti-science, yet that also crept in somehow over the centuries....

Also the timetable from a believer's POV regarding the age of the Earth is also not scripturally valid. Sure the bible was used to get the whole 8K-10K earth age figure, but a figurehead in the Vatican arbitrarily declared this timetable as valid based on a literal count of the days mentioned in the OT when bloodlines are mentioned. However failed to acknowledge that the bible clearly states Time operates differently for God than how it is experienced on Earth.

If the 3rd Heaven and Hell and The Lake of Fire and all the realms In-between are indeed "eternal" then scientifically humans need to reinterpret scripture with this new perspective that space-time is probably massively tweaked for an "eternal" realm to exist. Entropy is probably different there.

A eternal realm being a place that lasts forever and ever..

From a scientific perspective we already know time flows differently in relation to gravity.


Anyway fanatics blah....fully of pride. I cannot help them because of their pride.

[Jaffe]

Yeah you understand the forgiving part correctly that part of God at least is taught well in almost all congregations.

However you need to understand God can only forgive those who have repented of sin, to reach a blameless state at the time of the physical death.

What repentance means for an individual is on a case by case basis due to everyone having their own flaws and whatnot.

If you believe in Christ, and the truth and depth of his teachings, you'll be saved.

You cannot be saved if you don't have the faith though, that's the only pre-requisite.


Never having attended any congregation of any sect or any religion, I can only speak from what I have read and hear and talked about with people like you.

By Christian definition (which you stated here) I cannot be saved, because I do not know if I believe. But really, for non-believers, it doesnt matter because they also don't believe in the Christian requirements for being saved. And I am totally comfortable with who I am, so none of it matters to me from a spiritual viewpoint. It's pretty much intellectual/social to me. Meaning I like to hear other viewpoints, esp from believers, to try to understand the mentality. I love to try to understand what goes on inside people's heads, which is often much different than what they say.



If the 3rd Heaven and Hell and The Lake of Fire and all the realms In-between are indeed "eternal" then scientifically humans need to reinterpret scripture with this new perspective that space-time is probably massively tweaked for an "eternal" realm to exist. Entropy is probably different there.

A eternal realm being a place that lasts forever and ever..pride.

This may explain why some of the best scifi writers are religious people. Interesting idea.

[The37thElement]

All these other responses with Bible citations will trump my response, but from a scientific view: it's normal. You are going through a time where hormones are raging through your body, and this causes you to reach a state of "horniness." In that state, you'll end up doing things that you wouldn't normally do just to relieve yourself. In my opinion, masturbating is a normal bodily function. As others have said, it's good that you feel guilty afterwords because you're dedicated to your practices.

[Body odah Man]

Yeah you understand the forgiving part correctly that part of God at least is taught well in almost all congregations.

However you need to understand God can only forgive those who have repented of sin, to reach a blameless state at the time of the physical death.

What repentance means for an individual is on a case by case basis due to everyone having their own flaws and whatnot.

If you believe in Christ, and the truth and depth of his teachings, you'll be saved.

You cannot be saved if you don't have the faith though, that's the only pre-requisite.

---

Fanatics are the worst, they probably also don't have mental flexibility to really dig into the depth of scripture historically without feeling threatened personally regarding their own path to heaven.

This is why they tend to lash out or overtly pester people and are pushy.

Jesus was never pushy, if you believed him you dropped your stuff and started traveling with him after he preached. He never forced anybody to join.


It's also really funny too, because pastors of the 1800's believed repenting took decades, and was not instantaneous upon simply believing you were saved by understanding the idea that Christ died for your sins.


Also the bible does not say anything regarding being anti-science, yet that also crept in somehow over the centuries....

Also the timetable from a believer's POV regarding the age of the Earth is also not scripturally valid. Sure the bible was used to get the whole 8K-10K earth age figure, but a figurehead in the Vatican arbitrarily declared this timetable as valid based on a literal count of the days mentioned in the OT when bloodlines are mentioned. However failed to acknowledge that the bible clearly states Time operates differently for God than how it is experienced on Earth.

If the 3rd Heaven and Hell and The Lake of Fire and all the realms In-between are indeed "eternal" then scientifically humans need to reinterpret scripture with this new perspective that space-time is probably massively tweaked for an "eternal" realm to exist. Entropy is probably different there.

A eternal realm being a place that lasts forever and ever..

From a scientific perspective we already know time flows differently in relation to gravity.


Anyway fanatics blah....fully of pride. I cannot help them because of their pride.

So if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that one must have faith, repent and believe in Christ for salvation . Makes sense :)

Never having attended any congregation of any sect or any religion, I can only speak from what I have read and hear and talked about with people like you.

By Christian definition (which you stated here) I cannot be saved, because I do not know if I believe. But really, for non-believers, it doesnt matter because they also don't believe in the Christian requirements for being saved. And I am totally comfortable with who I am, so none of it matters to me from a spiritual viewpoint. It's pretty much intellectual/social to me. Meaning I like to hear other viewpoints, esp from believers, to try to understand the mentality. I love to try to understand what goes on inside people's heads, which is often much different than what they say.



This may explain why some of the best scifi writers are religious people. Interesting idea.

Yeah, my religious knowledge also comes from this thread. I find this all (and your responses) very interesting and calming as well.

[Jaffe]

So if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that one must have faith, repent and believe in Christ for salvation . Makes sense :)


Maybe you should convert to Catholicism. They seem to have it down. You do what you want, you go to confession once a week, you get absolved, you're saved.

Tbh, I'm not sure thats really how it works, and I certainly hope I havent offended any Catholics. But from the outside looking in, that's what it looks like. Seems like an easy way to do it.

[Uniquemind]

Maybe you should convert to Catholicism. They seem to have it down. You do what you want, you go to confession once a week, you get absolved, you're saved.

Tbh, I'm not sure thats really how it works, and I certainly hope I havent offended any Catholics. But from the outside looking in, that's what it looks like. Seems like an easy way to do it.

It's not as easy as it sounds.


SIDENOTE: I know the OP welcomes this tangent of religious discussion. This is probably why the mods haven't moved or deleted out posts this far, but I highly feel it's time to start a new thread discussing the merit of modern, and ancient interpretations of various faiths in another thread.

With the OP purely defining nobody is preaching or converting.

I suggest ramblings of the wise for this.

[Jaffe]

It's not as easy as it sounds.


SIDENOTE: I know the OP welcomes this tangent of religious discussion. This is probably why the mods haven't moved or deleted out posts this far, but I highly feel it's time to start a new thread discussing the merit of modern, and ancient interpretations of various faiths in another thread.

With the OP purely defining nobody is preaching or converting.

I suggest ramblings of the wise for this.

Good idea. Partly because then its open to everyone. But it would be nice to have the whole thread moved to avoid repetition....

In any case, you going to start?
And Body odah Man, you better join us!

[Uniquemind]

Good idea. Partly because then its open to everyone. But it would be nice to have the whole thread moved to avoid repetition....

In any case, you going to start?
And Body odah Man, you better join us!

You can start it my free time for the day is almost up.

[Body odah Man]

Good idea. Partly because then its open to everyone. But it would be nice to have the whole thread moved to avoid repetition....

In any case, you going to start?
And Body odah Man, you better join us!

Course I will. I can always use religious education.
It's not as easy as it sounds.


SIDENOTE: I know the OP welcomes this tangent of religious discussion. This is probably why the mods haven't moved or deleted out posts this far, but I highly feel it's time to start a new thread discussing the merit of modern, and ancient interpretations of various faiths in another thread.

With the OP purely defining nobody is preaching or converting.

I suggest ramblings of the wise for this.

I second this suggestion.

You can start it my free time for the day is almost up.

Good idea. Partly because then its open to everyone. But it would be nice to have the whole thread moved to avoid repetition....

In any case, you going to start?
And Body odah Man, you better join us!

Has that thread you mentioned been started yet?

[Anomaly]

Ever since I can remember, I was told to think about baseball cuz its the least sexy think you can think of! :P

[qwerty234]

I wouldn't stop bro, jacking off is a very normal thing to do when you're going through puberty as well as the rest of your life. And I know that feeling your getting when you finish. Just keep masturbating and it will go away, hope that helped!

[Body odah Man]

Ever since I can remember, I was told to think about baseball cuz its the least sexy think you can think of! :P

Hmm…I'll try that. Thanks.
I wouldn't stop bro, jacking off is a very normal thing to do when you're going through puberty as well as the rest of your life. And I know that feeling your getting when you finish. Just keep masturbating and it will go away, hope that helped!

I feel like stopping. Sorry. And based on the chewing out my babysitter gave me when she found my sheets wet after a wet dream once and thought I'd been masturbating - (she marched me off to the bath tub telling me I was a dirty boy and evil) - I'm not sure it's very good.

[Slashman1]

that babysitter was wrong she just said that because she was a girl likely and plus scientist say that jacking off is a way to prevent prostate cancer,it makes you harder because as you age you lose muscle tone even down there,it helps you last longer when having sex,It ups your immunity, and It boosts your mood so it isn't a bad thing just some people think it is

[Body odah Man]

that babysitter was wrong she just said that because she was a girl likely and plus scientist say that jacking off is a way to prevent prostate cancer,it makes you harder because as you age you lose muscle tone even down there,it helps you last longer when having sex,It ups your immunity, and It boosts your mood so it isn't a bad thing just some people think it is

Um, whenever I masturbate I feel depressed, not mood upped. I don't need to be hard, don't mind not lasting long during sex and even if it does help prevent prostrate cancer…I'd still take the cancer over masturbation if, God forbid, I'd have to choose between them. And the babysitter was the kind of chick that believed guys have no hygiene sense so she's kind of weird yeah. But I agree with her on that view of m'bation; I don't feel right doing it. You do, ok that's your beef. But I don't.

[vboy]

Self controll im afraid
Ur young
Ur healthey
I wouldnt worry about it too much

[Conor_x]

Everyone does it, 99% admit it and 1% lies about doing it😂

[Body odah Man]

Self controll im afraid
Ur young
Ur healthey
I wouldnt worry about it too much

Yeah, but how to GET the self control? That's what I need to know. Any tips?

[Collinsworthington]

wait your 17 and have a sitter

[Body odah Man]

wait your 17 and have a sitter

Sadly yes. I don't know why but whenever mom goes on a trip abroad or somewhere a bit far she leaves me and sis with a sitter. It SUX.

[vboy]

Yeah, but how to GET the self control? That's what I need to know. Any tips?

Just ur will anddetermanation im afraid
Thats something bonly u can do

[Body odah Man]

Just ur will anddetermanation im afraid
Thats something bonly u can do

Ah well. Thanks for the info :)

[sysrq]

I went trough the same thing.
Religion is unique to humans, some are starting to believe in simulated universe theory or simulation within simulation and solipsism. There are many theories yet to come and each one will be ''better'' than the last one.

[ejpete]

I feel the same way and I still struggle with it. I always ask my self. God must really hate me right? But he doesn't. He lover you for who you are. Your sin everything. Now on the puberty side. It's good to have a release of these fluids. And masturbating is healthy. Don't try and stop it. I tries and I failed so I just go with the flow.

[Body odah Man]

I feel the same way and I still struggle with it. I always ask my self. God must really hate me right? But he doesn't. He lover you for who you are. Your sin everything. Now on the puberty side. It's good to have a release of these fluids. And masturbating is healthy. Don't try and stop it. I tries and I failed so I just go with the flow.

Thanks :)

[Colton8]

It's a normal thing you don't need to stop