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Hideous

June 9th, 2015, 05:49 AM

Texas cop on leave after video shows him pushing 14-year-old girl to the ground, pointing gun at teens

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Authorities in Texas have suspended a cop caught on video slamming a 14-year-old girl to the ground and pulling his gun out at a pool party.

“Face down!” the McKinney officer shouted at the bikini-clad girl as he yanked her onto her stomach and then kneeled on her bare back.

TEXAS TEEN DETAILS HOW COP BODY SLAMMED HER AT POOL PARTY

A dozen officers responded on Friday afternoon to reports of an out-of-control party and fights among teens at the Craig Ranch North Community Pool, police said in a statement.

A dark-haired, white officer was filmed racing back and forth, ordering teens, most of them black, to lie down in the grass, sometimes dragging them to the ground by their heads. Brandon Brooks, who taped the chaotic scene, claimed the incident started with a fight between a mom and a girl. People ran when officers arrived, and cops began cuffing others "for no reason," Brooks said in the video's description.

“Y’all make me f--king run around here with 30 pounds of goddamn gear on in the sun, because you want to screw around out here,” he told a group of seated teens.

Casebolt then ordered groups of girls to leave, eventually focusing on the 14-year-old. Screams erupted from the crowd as he shoved her to the sidewalk.

A young man charged up to Casebolt’s side before stopping abruptly.

The cop hopped to his feet and drew his pistol on the young man, who bolted around the corner.

Two other officers chased after him as Casebolt returned to where the girl was sitting.

“Call my mama,” she cried.

Casebolt pulled her up and slammed her back down onto the ground, forcing her onto her face.

Police said the video “raised concerns” and was being investigated.

One officer was placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation, police confirmed.

Casebolt is a Navy veteran with 10 years on the McKinney force, according to rapidly disappearing online records.

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A cop in McKinney, Texas — identified as Eric Casebolt — pull his gun on people at a pool party, video shows.

A Facebook page for the McKinney police union, showing Casebolt as a vice president, was pulled down Sunday, and the private self-defense school where he taught has scrubbed his profile from its site.

Casebolt’s LinkedIn page was also pulled down.

He was named 2008 “Patrolman of the Year,” according to the McKinney Courier-Gazette.

All the teens, including the 14-year-old girl, were eventually released to their parents or responsible adults, police said.

The young man who sprinted away when the officer pulled his gun was eventually seen handcuffed and staggering back to the grass with two officers at his side.

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McKinney Police Chief Greg Conley told reporters Sunday thta officers had arrested one adult male for interfering with police and evading arrest.

Conley vowed to complete a thorough investigation and pleaded for patience.

“The McKinney Police Department is committed to treating all persons fairly under the law,” Conley said. “We are committed to preserving the peace and safety of our community for all of our citizens,”

Source(s): http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-suspended-girl-videotaped-pool-party-bust-article-1.2249931

Microcosm

June 9th, 2015, 05:59 AM

What was going through his head? Why would you pull a gun on a girl in a bikini who obviously can't fight back in any way? He deserves to be fired. That kind of behavior is not fitting for someone who is supposed to stand for and demonstrate righteous justice by the law.

fairmaiden

June 9th, 2015, 08:35 AM

Whatever was going on; it is absolutely unacceptable for him to throw a 14 year old down on the ground, kneel on her back, and press her face into the ground. Especially while she was wearing a bikini. That was completely unnecessary and he shouldn't be in that line of work if that's how he operates.

Emerald Dream

June 9th, 2015, 11:01 AM

At the end of the video this officer tells the boys sitting on the ground that they were "part of the mob." I didn't see anything that resembled a "mob" anywhere on that video, and I find it hard to believe there was one any time shortly before that video started recording. In fact, I saw probably (what looked to be) 100 people of different ethnicities in their yards, on the street, and on the sidewalk. No idea what prompted all this, but I never got the impression that a fight was even going on.

The use of force, and screaming at what certainly looked like random individuals (I say random in the sense that they looked like a bunch of bystanders tbh) is pretty unacceptable. Just because someone says something offhand to you, and just because you don't like it - that's not justification to start detaining people and throwing them to the ground (and that's not even speaking about the gun part).

There's no way that these officers had no idea they were being filmed. What were they thinking? I didn't see any weapons or actual threats towards them or other people.

If I lived in this town, I would be pretty pissed if these guys weren't dismissed from their jobs. They weren't controlling the problem here. They were the problem.

phuckphace

June 9th, 2015, 11:11 AM

“Y’all make me f--king run around here with 30 pounds of goddamn gear on in the sun, because you want to screw around out here,” he told a group of seated teens.

lmao what a bitch

let's send him to boot camp again but this time real boot camp in Iraq. it's like a thousand degrees at all times & the locals really really hate pork

Horatio Nelson

June 9th, 2015, 11:30 AM

That roll at the beginning, I was laughing my ass off. That cop is such a fucking joke. I was waiting for someone to say "it's a prank", that's how awful it was. That entire department should be ashamed of themselves.

True_Spiderman

June 9th, 2015, 01:57 PM

I was there ain't shit get outta hand I hate it here in Texas

thatcountrykid

June 9th, 2015, 06:07 PM

Lol I just love how they have to say they were black teens

That roll at the beginning, I was laughing my ass off. That cop is such a fucking joke. I was waiting for someone to say "it's a prank", that's how awful it was. That entire department should be ashamed of themselves.

lol I also just love how you say that's the whole departments fault.

Also seperatly I can see some reason to him drawing his weapon but all around the video was a cluster making no sense at all considering we didn't see what happened beforehand printing his attitude.

Just to clarify that I'm not defending him even though it'll somehow be made that I'm a racist who supports bad cops

phuckphace

June 9th, 2015, 08:12 PM

Lol I just love how they have to say they were black teens

cops have done this shit to a couple of my white friends as well

one of them got his face slammed against the hood of a patrol car a couple times (cop said "SIR STAWP RESISTIN'") and the other got thrown to the ground and had a knee shoved into his back. both arrests were for marijuana with no priors but the cops were acting like they'd busted them with child porn or some shit

fairmaiden

June 9th, 2015, 08:19 PM

phuckphace

June 9th, 2015, 09:29 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3117517/Pool-party-cop-resigns-10-year-veteran-officer-quits-amid-calls-termination-video-surfaces-throwing-bikini-clad-black-teen-ground.html

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lmfao at the "AMERIKKKA" sign

homie if this country were as racist as your handlers have led you to believe, you'd be hanging on one of those trees already

breaking news cops are assholes, a KKK comparison is nonsensical because the KKK would sneak into your cabin at night while you were sleeping and shoot you in the head

wrangling you and saying the F-word even to a 14 year old is not even in the same zip code as the real KKK

WHY do they have to turn everything into a RACE WAR (well I know why but shit) just wish it would fucking stop already

thatcountrykid

June 9th, 2015, 10:07 PM

cops have done this shit to a couple of my white friends as well

one of them got his face slammed against the hood of a patrol car a couple times (cop said "SIR STAWP RESISTIN'") and the other got thrown to the ground and had a knee shoved into his back. both arrests were for marijuana with no priors but the cops were acting like they'd busted them with child porn or some shit

I can't make a judgement just based off your story. No offense against you but I'm assuming they were being smart asses like teens are but I could be wrong. And my point was they had to bring race into it. There was no need to

phuckphace

June 9th, 2015, 10:11 PM

I can't make a judgement just based off your story. No offense against you but I'm assuming they were being smart asses like teens are but I could be wrong. And my point was they had to bring race into it. There was no need to

more likely they showed signs of annoyance over the whole "going to jail for something that isn't bad" thing, and cops tend into interpret even the slightest eye-roll as RESISTIN' UHREST

they also like to manhandle younger people because younger people tend to be less informed about their rights and asshole cops can take advantage accordingly (it's really easy for a cop to convince a kid who is not under arrest that he *has* to hand over his phone to be searched for evidence, even without a warrant. they pull this shit at schools frequently).

and my point was that your point was a good point, because cops do the same thing to white people too and nobody cares

Airrd

June 9th, 2015, 10:31 PM

When he did his run/roll he looked like he was an extra in the Paul Blart movie.

But there was a video posted from before the police showed up that had a grown white lady yelling racist things at a couple of african american kids outside the pool area and I personally feel that no matter what race you are you should not, as an adult, verbally attack kids because that could affect how they grow up. People need to learn how to behave around children and start acting their age.

thatcountrykid

June 9th, 2015, 11:34 PM

more likely they showed signs of annoyance over the whole "going to jail for something that isn't bad" thing, and cops tend into interpret even the slightest eye-roll as RESISTIN' UHREST

they also like to manhandle younger people because younger people tend to be less informed about their rights and asshole cops can take advantage accordingly (it's really easy for a cop to convince a kid who is not under arrest that he *has* to hand over his phone to be searched for evidence, even without a warrant. they pull this shit at schools frequently).

and my point was that your point was a good point, because cops do the same thing to white people too and nobody cares

Lol "manhandle"

Their job is to conduct investigations and if that means getting consent from somebody that's ok. They don't need a warrant. Warrants are just security. Consent can be withdrawn at anytime. It's totally up to the person being searched.

Uranus

June 9th, 2015, 11:37 PM

What has happened to America.... *facepalm*
Fucking stupid ass cop.

phuckphace

June 9th, 2015, 11:41 PM

James Dean

June 10th, 2015, 02:13 AM

From what I understand, this was a gated neighborhood of some sort and they have a pool that the residents can use and rent out for occasions. It's a predominately white community, so when one of the black residents decided to use the pool for their child and their friends, people racial profiled them and that's why the cops were called. They were allowed to be at the pool, except some of the other residents thought they were trespassing or up to no good, when they were just 9th and 10th graders.

This guy is really crazy and he needs a profession change because he's not meant to be a civil cop. He didn't have to cuss and bitch at them like that. He chose to be a cop, and he chose to be out of shape.

He supposedly resigned, and that's good, but I would have rather him gotten fired or punished. Because if he had gotten fired, it would be very hard for him to work as a cop again. Now, he can just as easily go to another city in the same state and get a badge again. However, hopefully they won't take a chance on him, due to this story being viral.

Sir Suomi

June 10th, 2015, 08:45 AM

Danny_boi 16

June 10th, 2015, 12:02 PM

The officer in this video only proves there is a systemic problem with the nation's policing. Mainly, someone who cannot handle themselves in a low risk environment is allowed to join the police force in the beginning. Officers job is the protect the community, this man is a menace to order and public safety. It's a same that he resigned, because now the IRB has to close their investigation. This meaning he could not be dismissed from the department. A dismissal would have helped the community, because it shows that the department isn't above the law.

I love the way how this is being reported. Well, hold on to your asses, it's going to get bumpy.

While I do agree that the officer's use of force on the girl may have been overboard, all of this could've been avoided by simply showing respect and doing as the officer told.

So as you can see, once again, social media has pounced on an incident where black people were in conflict with officers, and drawn conclusions on something they have no friggin' clue on.

tl;dr: Don't jump to conclusions, and stop race baiting.

There is a racial element to this, like in every case of this nature. The officer might not have intended for it, but he still committed malice before thought. But you bring up an issue that is burdening departments. A lack of obedience when it comes to orders from cops. But there is a serious lake of faith and trust from the community in regards to the police. And that is on the hand of the departments. Police officers have created a persona of fear and intimidation for over 50 years. It is the duty of the police departments to reinvent their fractured image;and, they cannot expect to have respect if their persona is a disrespect to order and community.

It's a two way street, and there is no other way to get around it.

thatcountrykid

June 10th, 2015, 12:41 PM

thatcountrykid

I actually don't care about warrants or shit like that it's just funny to see you reflexively jump to their defense for everything even when they are clearly shown to be skirting ~THE LAW~ that you hold so sacred

threating someone with arrest if they don't hand over their phone isn't "conducting an investigation" it's called being an asshole cop because he knows the kid probably believes it. they can't search you without a warrant or probable cause but guess what, they do it all the time. can't break the law if I AM THE LAW!

Lol they can't threaten with arrest. That's right.

And the don't need pc or a warrant to search you. They need consent. Now if they don't have consent they can have probable cause. There's also incident to arrest and safety search and all that stuff but I'm not gonna waste my time. I'm not defending them for "skirting the law" it's perfectly legal.

Uniquemind

June 10th, 2015, 05:28 PM

The officer in this video only proves there is a systemic problem with the nation's policing. Mainly, someone who cannot handle themselves in a low risk environment is allowed to join the police force in the beginning. Officers job is the protect the community, this man is a menace to order and public safety. It's a same that he resigned, because now the IRB has to close their investigation. This meaning he could not be dismissed from the department. A dismissal would have helped the community, because it shows that the department isn't above the law.

There is a racial element to this, like in every case of this nature. The officer might not have intended for it, but he still committed malice before thought. But you bring up an issue that is burdening departments. A lack of obedience when it comes to orders from cops. But there is a serious lake of faith and trust from the community in regards to the police. And that is on the hand of the departments. Police officers have created a persona of fear and intimidation for over 50 years. It is the duty of the police departments to reinvent their fractured image;and, they cannot expect to have respect if their persona is a disrespect to order and community.

It's a two way street, and there is no other way to get around it.

That's the rub.

Do you have the faith first and the trust second?

Or does the community trust come first and then faith?

That's what's not allowing this issue to be resolved.

So is anybody else going to argue the un-politically correct argument here?

And say the cop over reacted a little bit, but given the broader context of the evidence that Patton just posted actually justified or at least explains things a bit more rationally?

Like it's clear: no parties over 20, and formal reservations is needed.

That's foundational grounds for forcing the whole thing down, despite guests not knowing that that lack of information is a failure on the event organizer with communication to their guests not the other way around.

Danny_boi 16

June 10th, 2015, 09:12 PM

That's the rub.

Do you have the faith first and the trust second?

Or does the community trust come first and then faith?

That's what's not allowing this issue to be resolved.
Since police officer are (or claim to be) on the moral high ground they have to respect the community before the community can respect them. Faith in the police would have to come after years of trust. This issue cannot be corrected over night, because it took over 50 years to distort. It most likely another 50 will be needed to repair the schism in society.

And say the cop over reacted a little bit, but given the broader context of the evidence that Patton just posted actually justified or at least explains things a bit more rationally?

Like it's clear: no parties over 20, and formal reservations is needed.

That's foundational grounds for forcing the whole thing down, despite guests not knowing that that lack of information is a failure on the event organizer with communication to their guests not the other way around.

The only action that the officer took that was justified, was arriving to the scene of the alleged disturbance. If the event organizer was unclear of the rules of a community pool (not necessarily a law) then it is the duty of the leadership of the neighborhood to make that clear to a minor. That didn't occur. Then it is the duty of the officer to make that clear to the event organizer that rules of a neighborhood have been violated. Eric Casebolt was unable to determine the situation at hand, and was not able to determine appropriate force. He was on able to deescalate violence with non-violence. Which is the actions of a failure, and a man unsuited for law enforcement. It's true that being a police officer sometimes entails violent response from assailants. It is the officers job to act with appropriate force in all circumstances. He let his emotions get in the way of his one and only job. Protecting the public.

"With all that happened that day, he allowed his emotions to get the better of him," Bishkin [Casebolt Attorney] said. "Eric regrets that his conduct portrayed him and his department in a negative light. He never intended to mistreat anyone, but was only reacting to a situation and the challenges it presented. He apologizes to all who are offended. That day was not representative of the 10-year service to the community of McKinney, and it is his hope that by his resignation the community may start to heal."

His actions were unbecoming of an officer and his departure from the department was the last act of public good he did. Emotionally unstable people have no business having a badge and a firearm.

Sir Suomi

June 10th, 2015, 10:56 PM

Since police officer are (or claim to be) on the moral high ground they have to respect the community before the community can respect them.

I disagree here. Relationships among Police and citizens depend on the region. For example, my city of roughly 25,000 has no qualms with the police force. We've never had a single incident that involved overuse of force from the Police side and in turn there have not been any incidents that involved physical harm on an officer.

If you ask me, I believe most mistrust comes from media sources who exaggerate and sometimes even lie just to get a reaction from it's audiences. This incident is a clear example. People are trying to assert that a peaceful group of black teens were forcibly removed from a pool party suddenly by police. My post proved that this was false.

However, it's almost too late to repair the damage done. Some communities are now distrustful of the Police and engage in more acts of defiance against officers, which in turns forces officers to take action that otherwise did not need to happen, which sparks an incident, and the whole circle repeats. It's a shame really.

The only action that the officer took that was justified, was arriving to the scene of the alleged disturbance.

Once again, my post proves you wrong. The police were responding to the ruckus that the crowd was making in a private area.

If the event organizer was unclear of the rules of a community pool (not necessarily a law) then it is the duty of the leadership of the neighborhood to make that clear to a minor. That didn't occur.

Actually, it did. https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/pool-party-10-craig-ranch.png?w=640&h=455

Then it is the duty of the officer to make that clear to the event organizer that rules of a neighborhood have been violated.

No, it was his duty to stop the disruptive teens who were engaging in violent behavior.

Eric Casebolt was unable to determine the situation at hand, and was not able to determine appropriate force.

People seem to not realize what an officer is trained to do. When dealing with a suspect who resists arrest or could possibly pose a threat, officers are trained to use techniques that will subdue their target.

He was on able to deescalate violence with non-violence. Which is the actions of a failure, and a man unsuited for law enforcement.

The failure came from the girl for not leaving as the officer had been instructing her for the past few minutes. Seriously, listen to what the officer tells you and you'll be fine. Not rocket science.

Uniquemind

June 11th, 2015, 12:45 AM

I love the way how this is being reported. Well, hold on to your asses, it's going to get bumpy.

So to understand the actions of the officer in the video, you need to understand what happened prior to this video.

The woman who organized the event in McKinney, Texas is named Tatiana Rhodes (or Tatyana Rhodes). She is approximately 19-years-old; however, she retains a fake id and has began scrubbing most of her social media accounts, so her exact age is undetermined.

Tatiana had been promoting a party via twitter under the hashtag name “Dime Piece Cookout” for approximately a month. She planned the event at a sub-division called “Craig Ranch” in McKinney Texas.

The Craig Ranch subdivision has a neighborhood park and a gated pool and clubhouse for residents. The pool and clubhouse is gated and a scan card is needed to gain access.

The subdivision has a Homeowners Association (HOA) which regulates and controls the activities in/around the HOA swimming pool and clubhouse and has strict rules for use thereof. This includes that you cannot book private parties, and if you wish to schedule a pool party, you must a Security Deposit as well a rental fee and have no more than 20 people present.

Neither Tatiana Rhodes nor her mother sought permission to use the pool or clubhouse area as part of the event. However, Tatiana hired a DJ and promoted the event to include a pool party:

There are numerous social media links reflecting that Tatiana organizes these “parties”, and charges for attendance, as a profit generating business. Her enterprise name is promoted under the auspices of “Twinzzpromotions” and uses the email address [email protected]

However, the specific event last Friday was advertised as “free attendance” where Tatiana was passing out flyers and selling tickets for another event she was setting up for June 19.

Tatiana appears to reference herself as a “promoter” for the various parties she organizes as part of twinzzpromotions:

Her business profile says:

“want to throw a party but don’t know where to start – we do it all. Email us for models, promoters, party planners and more”.

The party on Friday was to promote “Make It Clap 2″, an event scheduled for June 19th (8pm to 1am) $5 advance Tix, $8 at event.

Tickets for MakeItClappPt.2 were being sold at the Craig Ranch party.

The DJ (Andrew Cosby) also tweeted out before and during the Craig Ranch event that it was a pool party. DJReign aka Andrew Cosby is also now scrubbing media and hiding his profiles.

In addition to friends of Tatiana Rhodes, more than 100 additional people, mostly teens, showed up as a result of the advertising promoted by Tatiana on social media. They were dropped off by the car-load as the afternoon party began.

Apparently Tatiana and her mother Lashana were unable to control the growing crowd – who came to their event at the park looking for and expecting a “pool party”.

That’s when things got out of control as the 100+ teens (and young adults) turned into a mob of partygoers and began jumping the fence to the gated pool area. Residents within the neighborhood found themselves confronting a mob of teens growing ever increasingly hostile and agitated.

Here's a picture of a post from one of the residents:

image (https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/pool-party-4.jpg?w=640)
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This version is also supported by other residents who called the police for help and were on the scene trying to get the teen mob under control.

image (https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/texas-pool-party-2.png?w=640)

The sub-division is culturally very diverse with multi-racial residents. All of the local community -within the rather large sub division- support the version of events as outlined above.

One of the adult residents of the sub-division sought to get control of the situation and told the teen mob they needed to leave the pool area.

A teen friend of the event organizer (friends wth Tatiana’s brother) is named, ironically, “Grace”, Grace Stone – approximately 14-years-old.

Young Grace Stone became angry because the mob was being told to leave the pool and clubhouse area; Grace was then backed up by her friend Tatiana (party organizer) in a confrontation with an adult resident at the pool. Tatiana then attacked the adult female resident.

Which led to numerous phone calls to the police as the teen mob became ever more confrontational with a security officer and local residents. The mob refused to leave the area. The police arrived.

With hundreds of teens ransacking the area, the first officer on scene immediately called for back-up. Nine additional officers arrived to try and restore order.

Also, for those wondering why the officer pulled out his gun, here's the reason why:

image (https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/pool-party-3.jpg?w=640)

While I do agree that the officer's use of force on the girl may have been overboard, all of this could've been avoided by simply showing respect and doing as the officer told.

So as you can see, once again, social media has pounced on an incident where black people were in conflict with officers, and drawn conclusions on something they have no friggin' clue on.

tl;dr: Don't jump to conclusions, and stop race baiting.

Since police officer are (or claim to be) on the moral high ground they have to respect the community before the community can respect them. Faith in the police would have to come after years of trust. This issue cannot be corrected over night, because it took over 50 years to distort. It most likely another 50 will be needed to repair the schism in society.

The only action that the officer took that was justified, was arriving to the scene of the alleged disturbance. If the event organizer was unclear of the rules of a community pool (not necessarily a law) then it is the duty of the leadership of the neighborhood to make that clear to a minor. That didn't occur. Then it is the duty of the officer to make that clear to the event organizer that rules of a neighborhood have been violated. Eric Casebolt was unable to determine the situation at hand, and was not able to determine appropriate force. He was on able to deescalate violence with non-violence. Which is the actions of a failure, and a man unsuited for law enforcement. It's true that being a police officer sometimes entails violent response from assailants. It is the officers job to act with appropriate force in all circumstances. He let his emotions get in the way of his one and only job. Protecting the public.

His actions were unbecoming of an officer and his departure from the department was the last act of public good he did. Emotionally unstable people have no business having a badge and a firearm.

I'm just saying that's what needs to happen to truly and fairly address the issue of police brutality with the emphasis on racial discrimination.

It's not like the party was a calm environment, depending on the level of chaos and yelling and community member arguing against community member, police use to break up fights already occurring rather than calmly approach and talk things out, might make sense.

However if the cop who resigned resorted to using racial slurs, then yeah that's perhaps grounds for suspension and re-training.

But the only reason he resigned, was due to media pressure and probably due to endangerment of his fellow officers in the department and nationwide.

It was a PR move.

Problem is certain communities now feel entitled for further action against the officer in their biased view of "fairness/justice".

If they don't get what they want they will develop a community chip on their shoulder which will feed the next incidence.

Someone had to swallow the sour grapes first, and get this overall issue resolved and a fair protocol to explain these things to the media and how communities and law enforcement should work together moving forward.

And that's going to have to acknowledge the use of force being appropriate, with the context that officers don't always arrive at a scene where calm talking works first.

Truth is if you use force or aggression against an officer they have a legal right to counter that threat with force to subdue you.

Maybe not kill you, but use approved holds and disability techniques.

Danny_boi 16

June 11th, 2015, 10:55 AM

I disagree here. Relationships among Police and citizens depend on the region. For example, my city of roughly 25,000 has no qualms with the police force. We've never had a single incident that involved overuse of force from the Police side and in turn there have not been any incidents that involved physical harm on an officer.
I agree, it depends on the community. But, I'd also say, that the smaller the town, the less problems with police.

If you ask me, I believe most mistrust comes from media sources who exaggerate and sometimes even lie just to get a reaction from it's audiences. This incident is a clear example. People are trying to assert that a peaceful group of black teens were forcibly removed from a pool party suddenly by police. My post proved that this was false.
I disagree. Issues with the police in the country have existed since 1912, in cities like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, and so forth. Police brutality towards minorities (Blacks, Hispanics, Catholics, Mormons, etc) have occurred since almost the founding of this nation. But I'm focusing on the 1960s, because that's when(trough the use of television) America was able to see such violence perpetrated by officers of the law. I don't believe the media has lied about anything in this case or similar cases. In fact to assumes so is ridicules. No one is claiming that this was a calm party, there was a fight between a white female adult resident and a black female minor (a different child from the one that was thrown to the ground). The officer was called to resolve that disturbance, but failed to execute proper policing skills and failed to maintain order. Is failure on that, was that he added to the disorder, not solely because the minors were unresponsive to his demands.

However, it's almost too late to repair the damage done. Some communities are now distrustful of the Police and engage in more acts of defiance against officers, which in turns forces officers to take action that otherwise did not need to happen, which sparks an incident, and the whole circle repeats. It's a shame really.
It is a shame, but the damage was done decades ago, even centuries ago. This isn't new in the United States, but just like the 60s had television cameras, er have smart phone cameras.

Once again, my post proves you wrong. The police were responding to the ruckus that the crowd was making in a private area.
No one is arguing against that. I said in my previous post he responded to an "alleged disturbance"

Actually, it did. image (https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/pool-party-10-craig-ranch.png?w=640&h=455)
Posting a piece of paper or sign isn't enough, when there is no education on the mean. These are children. If the White female was to calmly correct the children, rather then cursing racial profanities and engaging in a fight, the situation would be a whole different story.

No, it was his duty to stop the disruptive teens who were engaging in violent behavior.
And neighbors, don't forget the violent neighbors. But his job is to also correct the action of people who don't understand the law (or community pool rules).

People seem to not realize what an officer is trained to do. When dealing with a suspect who resists arrest or could possibly pose a threat, officers are trained to use techniques that will subdue their target.
The girl in the video was not resisting arrest. She tried, but was later submitted to the officer; however, the officer still perused action that were unnecessary seeing that he was in no intimidate danger. In fact, several kids complied with the officers order, which furthers that he was unable to distinguish hostile from submission. Thus, he is unfit to be an officer.

The failure came from the girl for not leaving as the officer had been instructing her for the past few minutes. Seriously, listen to what the officer tells you and you'll be fine. Not rocket science.
Maybe if an officer is the calm and non threatening compliance would have been easier. But black and other minority children, for the most part, a taught to fear the police. Because of decades of bad relations with police officers. Further blame has to be placed on the officer for not properly addressing the issue of the real reason he was called to the area, a petty fight.

But the only reason he resigned, was due to media pressure and probably due to endangerment of his fellow officers in the department and nationwide.

It was a PR move.

Problem is certain communities now feel entitled for further action against the officer in their biased view of "fairness/justice".

If they don't get what they want they will develop a community chip on their shoulder which will feed the next incidence.

Someone had to swallow the sour grapes first, and get this overall issue resolved and a fair protocol to explain these things to the media and how communities and law enforcement should work together moving forward.

And that's going to have to acknowledge the use of force being appropriate, with the context that officers don't always arrive at a scene where calm talking works first.

Truth is if you use force or aggression against an officer they have a legal right to counter that threat with force to subdue you.

Maybe not kill you, but use approved holds and disability techniques.
Again the officer was in no intimidate danger. He life was not threaten with deadly force, or any kind of force. Frankly it doesn't matter if it was a PR move, and that his apology meant nothing. Everyone knows that the resignation is political, more or less. But a resignation is a resignation , and it is a justice to order when a faulty officer is taken off duty. Police are public servants entrusted in keeping order. This officer failed at that job. It's true that police officers are being more and more scrutinized, and that is a good thing. They are on a tax funded payroll and the community has the right and the obligation to ensure that their tax dollars are being spent on what they want. They don't want a defective officer.

Sir Suomi

June 12th, 2015, 09:39 PM

I agree, it depends on the community. But, I'd also say, that the smaller the town, the less problems with police.

I'd say less the size and more the makeup of the community. Low-income communities, which in larger towns are minorities, tend to have more issues with police than the higher up communities. This is due to drug use in the community, higher rate of crime, previous incidents with officers, and in my opinion media influences that make individuals distrust or even hate officers.

I disagree. Issues with the police in the country have existed since 1912, in cities like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, and so forth.

I won't disagree with you there, however, refer to my response above. This is largely due to these cities having large communities of low-income people, who so happened to be mainly composed of the minority groups.

But I'm focusing on the 1960s, because that's when(trough the use of television) America was able to see such violence perpetrated by officers of the law. I don't believe the media has lied about anything in this case or similar cases.

I'm not disagreeing with you here. Police in southern states were definitely out of what should be acceptable. However, the Civil Rights era has been over for over 40 years now. These days, excluding gay marriage rights, every minority American citizen has the same exact rights as any white American citizen has. Today's generation clinging on to that period is outright wrong and ridiculous.

No one is claiming that this was a calm party,

Lol have you seen the Tweets as of late? Tell me they're not trying to victimize the teens.

there was a fight between a white female adult resident and a black female minor (a different child from the one that was thrown to the ground).

Other fights broke out among the teenagers. And the confrontation happened because the black female refused to leave the residence and began to assault the woman.

The officer was called to resolve that disturbance, but failed to execute proper policing skills and failed to maintain order.

Lol, you think 8 officers can control a crowd of 100+ teenagers who refuse to comply without eventually having to resort to force?

It is a shame, but the damage was done decades ago

Maybe if the black community would start looking at the facts and see that the #1 cause of death among their youth is not death by the hands of officers but instead other black youths, maybe they'd realize that it's their own culture that remains the issue.

Posting a piece of paper or sign isn't enough, when there is no education on the mean. These are children.

Lol so you're telling me that it wasn't her fault for not checking on if there were any regulations before scheduling a party? That's a pretty shitty way to run a business if you ask me.

If the White female was to calmly correct the children, rather then cursing racial profanities and engaging in a fight, the situation would be a whole different story.

So it's cool for the black youth to throw racial profanities at her and assault her, but by god the white woman throws them back and defends herself, she's a monster? Get real. Talk shit, get hit. Pretty simple.

And neighbors, don't forget the violent neighbors.

Lmao, so you're telling me if a 100+ crowd of teens starting invading your neighborhood and start destroying property, fighting, and harassing you that you wouldn't be pretty pissed? K then.

The girl in the video was not resisting arrest.
She failed to leave the area as the officer had instructed multiple times prior. Officers are trained to use force to take down a subject and detain him/her. She could've easily avoided this by simply leaving.

In fact, several kids complied with the officers order
Notice how they didn't get thrown on the ground?

But black and other minority children, for the most part, a taught to fear the police.

Which means fault lies in the minority communities. Maybe try teaching their kids to comply with what an officer says and you've got nothing to fear might help.

Further blame has to be placed on the officer for not properly addressing the issue of the real reason he was called to the area, a petty fight.

I've already stated that the youths were doing a hell lot more than a "petty fight"

Again the officer was in no intimidate danger

I'd say being outnumbered 10 to 1 is reason to be concerned for your own safety. Especially with youth who've already been proven to be under the influence of narcotics and alcohol.

He life was not threaten with deadly force, or any kind of force.

And how is he supposed to know that? He has no idea if any of them have a weapon, because there are too many to keep track of. Literally, put yourself in his shoes.

Frankly it doesn't matter if it was a PR move, and that his apology meant nothing.

This is what I find is funny. He admits he uses more force than might have been necessary, and everyone still discredits him, because fuck da' police.

Police are public servants entrusted in keeping order. This officer failed at that job.

So stopping a large rowdy mob of teenagers from further terrorizing a community means you're not keeping order? K then.

fairmaiden

June 14th, 2015, 08:25 AM

Maybe if the black community would start looking at the facts and see that the #1 cause of death among their youth is not death by the hands of officers but instead other black youths, maybe they'd realize that it's their own culture that remains the issue.

Let's compare;

Sure, tuberculosis is not #1 cause of death in the world, but does this mean that people should think that tuberculosis is nothing to be scared of? No, it doesn't. People should still try and prevent themselves from getting tuberculosis.

Back to the matter at hand;

The media is mostly responsible for this fear of police that seem to be going on. Black vs White Police Officer events may happen infrequently, but they are highly publicised and incite fear in black people.

And please; black culture does not radiate crime and murder, like you seem to be inferring.

As ClaraWho pretty much perfectly said on another thread, the problem usually lies with;

It's important to clarify that the demographic you refer to are lower socioeconomically deprived, disillusioned black teens. There is a trend for the idolisation of gangsters, and a promoted hatred of police for stopping their crime. The live rich of die trying, the poverty they are desperate to escape from through illicit means. Of course this doesn't refer to all or indeed all in this situation, just like white teenagers in the same scenario don't all aspire to be like Eminem or Yelawolf (I'm sure there are better references but I'm a good girl xD).
~ Clara

Danny_boi 16

June 16th, 2015, 10:52 AM

I'd say less the size and more the makeup of the community. Low-income communities, which in larger towns are minorities, tend to have more issues with police than the higher up communities. This is due to drug use in the community, higher rate of crime, previous incidents with officers, and in my opinion media influences that make individuals distrust or even hate officers.

This is indicative of a whole other issue. However, this is still liked to systemic failure at all levels of government. Since the failed crime polices of Bush 41, all the other administrations including Bush 43 have sought to correct this issue. In truth this system stems from the failed drug war or the Reagan administration. Media cannot influence a sense of hatred and distrust that has exist for the last 50 years, going all the way back to the Kennedy administration.

I won't disagree with you there, however, refer to my response above. This is largely due to these cities having large communities of low-income people, who so happened to be mainly composed of the minority groups.

I refer you to the SPLC and my statement above.

I'm not disagreeing with you here. Police in southern states were definitely out of what should be acceptable. However, the Civil Rights era has been over for over 40 years now. These days, excluding gay marriage rights, every minority American citizen has the same exact rights as any white American citizen has. Today's generation clinging on to that period is outright wrong and ridiculous.

Civil Rights is never over. Especially with the rise of police misconduct and brutality. Today's generation (which I guess you mean Millennials) is not trying to hold on to a horrid and savage past. But rather, the generation born in the 50s and 60s still have control over government and influence government with their backwards views on race and criminal justice. The term "the Civil Rights era has been over..." is akin to saying racism is over; more specifically systemic/governmental racism is over. That is not the case. Especially in southern states. Now and in the Past, police in the southern states have been see as nothing more that domestic terrorists for over half a century years. But the problem lies with the police departments that have done nothing to change their public image, if anything, in heavy minority areas, they have embraced that image.

Lol have you seen the Tweets as of late? Tell me they're not trying to victimize the teens.

The are the main victims in all of this. To say otherwise is factually incorrect. They're teenagers not monsters with guns. Being a black teen should automatically make you a threat. Be who think that hold on to backward racist views of the world. And are you serious, Tweets?

Other fights broke out among the teenagers. And the confrontation happened because the black female refused to leave the residence and began to assault the woman.

This is factually incorrect. A fight broke out not among the youth, but between the one black female and the older white female. A fight that was indeed instantiated by the white female. Other children began to pull each of the assailants apart from one another. A white man, presumably a member of the community, also tried to pull the white female off of the black youth.

Lol, you think 8 officers can control a crowd of 100+ teenagers who refuse to comply without eventually having to resort to force?

Also factually incorrect. The size of the party was not over 100 young people. By the time the officers arrived, most of the youth disbursed. And yes, I do believe that 8 officers, who we assume have been trained properly, can easily control >40 children 3 times younger than them and not as psychically built as them.

Maybe if the black community would start looking at the facts and see that the #1 cause of death among their youth is not death by the hands of officers but instead other black youths, maybe they'd realize that it's their own culture that remains the issue.

You can't lecture the black community on what it need to do. Just as the black community doesn't lecture the white community on what to do. Black people aren't protesting whites, they are protesting the police, who have with civil obligation and duty, to do what the community wants (proper protection). If white community and police community have become interchangeable terms, there is a serious problem. Black culture isn't an issue in anything. That is a logical fallacy if you assume that. However, I refer you to SPLC, NAACP, My brothers keeper, Big Brother Big Sister, H.E.L.P.E.R., The Baptist Churches, all churches, DOJ, A Better LA, 2nd Call, Prodigal Son Initiative, APD, SFPD, LAPD, NIJ, OJJDP, and Youth Violence Prevention. This might be some good reading material on programs done by some black and other minority organization on their "culture". As you can see some police departments are listed. These departments have worked conjugation with minority communities to "fix their culture"

Lol so you're telling me that it wasn't her fault for not checking on if there were any regulations before scheduling a party? That's a pretty shitty way to run a business if you ask me.

If some one doesn't know the rules to something as trivial as a community pool, then that warrens proper verbal correction, not unnecessary violence.

So it's cool for the black youth to throw racial profanities at her and assault her, but by god the white woman throws them back and defends herself, she's a monster? Get real. Talk shit, get hit. Pretty simple.

Self defense and right of reply. The white female instigated the verbal assault and the physical assault. You talk shit and you throw punches, better prepare yourself for equal rationalization.

Lmao, so you're telling me if a 100+ crowd of teens starting invading your neighborhood and start destroying property, fighting, and harassing you that you wouldn't be pretty pissed? K then.

lol invading. No property was destroyed. White female instigated violence, police officer perpetuated violence, and >100 (In fact >75) youths. These are facts, not fairy tales.

She failed to leave the area as the officer had instructed multiple times prior. Officers are trained to use force to take down a subject and detain him/her. She could've easily avoided this by simply leaving.

So I'm supposed to run away from police? Isn't it my right to question the officer on the meaning of his presence and possible detainment? Oh wait, that is my right.

Notice how they didn't get thrown on the ground?

She wasn't resting either.

Which means fault lies in the minority communities. Maybe try teaching their kids to comply with what an officer says and you've got nothing to fear might help.

LMAO. I refer you to my replies above, and to a United States History Class.

I've already stated that the youths were doing a hell lot more than a "petty fight"

Factually incorrect. Refer to witness statements ans my posts above.

I'd say being outnumbered 10 to 1 is reason to be concerned for your own safety. Especially with youth who've already been proven to be under the influence of narcotics and alcohol.

What? Are you pulling this out of your a*s? No evidence. Your statement is factually incorrect. Pick a number. You can't be changing from 100+ to 8 cops to 10:1. Where did the other seven go? make up your mind

And how is he supposed to know that? He has no idea if any of them have a weapon, because there are too many to keep track of. Literally, put yourself in his shoes.

I am putting myself in the shoes of a law abiding officer.An officer should be and must be able to scan the area in which he is in and determine the situation a apply appropriate force.I refer you to the Fraternal Order of Police and Police chiefs everywhere.

This is what I find is funny. He admits he uses more force than might have been necessary, and everyone still discredits him, because fuck da' police.

This was in reference to UniqueMind's post, about how it was only a PR movie. I said, it doesn't matter, because now he's off the beat, which is a good thing. Cuz fuck incompetent police officers.

So stopping a large rowdy mob of teenagers from further terrorizing a community means you're not keeping order? K then.

Adding to unnecessary violence and not subduing threats in a proper and effective manner is the opposite of order. Do you know that word? It's called Chaos.

Sir Suomi

June 21st, 2015, 09:37 PM

In truth this system stems from the failed drug war or the Reagan administration.

I'll agree with you here. I believe decriminalizing marijuana would help reduce crime rates nation-wide, especially in the lower-income areas where drug dealing is extremely prevalent.

Media cannot influence a sense of hatred and distrust that has exist for the last 50 years, going all the way back to the Kennedy administration.

I disagree. Media can influence a population into believing something that isn't actually true, or at least in a non-biased way. Just look at our recent invasion of Iraq for example.

Civil Rights is never over.

I believe the Civil Rights act of 1964 would say it is.

Especially with the rise of police misconduct and brutality.

It's hard to say for sure if the amount of cases of misconduct and/or brutality are increasing. It's possible that they're just now becoming reported more often. Criminologists are reported to even saying this.

Today's generation (which I guess you mean Millennials) is not trying to hold on to a horrid and savage past.

That's where I disagree. I see a lot of blacks trying to guilt trip whites over issues like slavery. While yes, it was a terrible thing, it was also done nearly 150 years ago. There's absolutely nobody to this day who can say they endured that treatment, however you see people acting like they're still in chains. I don't see too many people complaining over the ethnic cleansing of the Afrikaners or the whites on Hati, which was done in the similar time period.

is akin to saying racism is over;

Sorry to burst your bubble, but racism will never cease to continue. People will dislike those who are different than them, whether they are white, black, asian, whatever. No amount of holding hands is going to solve that.

But the problem lies with the police departments that have done nothing to change their public image, if anything, in heavy minority areas, they have embraced that image.

That's false. Police forces have helped out in low-income communities before, and these acts of kindness never gain much attention. Instead, these isolate incidents gain the public's attention.

The are the main victims in all of this.

Sure, trespassing, vandalizing property, and breaking out in fights make you a victim. Remind me to tell the police that next time I go rob a house.

Being a black teen should automatically make you a threat.

It's not the fact that they were black. The officers were outnumbered by youth that'd already proven to be violent.

And are you serious, Tweets?

I believe Twitter shows a good view of the general public's opinion on various issues. While I would not trust them as a news source, I would be comfortable to rely on them as a general idea of what people think.

A fight broke out not among the youth,

The inhabitants, which I may add were of various races, all report fights breaking out among the youth.

but between the one black female and the older white female. A fight that was indeed instantiated by the white female

Once again, inhabitants say differently.

believe that 8 officers, who we assume have been trained properly, can easily control >40 children

Lol, good luck is all I'll say to that.

You can't lecture the black community on what it need to do.

Well maybe if the white community wasn't harassed by the black community when incidents like this happened, maybe I wouldn't need to.

Black culture isn't an issue in anything.

Yes, because the "Fuck da police, get muh bitches and money, smoke weed" that rap music (Which is mainly composed of, you guessed it, black males who started out as lower-income people that inspire their music)

If some one doesn't know the rules to something as trivial as a community pool, then that warrens proper verbal correction, not unnecessary violence.

Lol, they were verbally told. Multiple times. And like I said, as a business owner she should have been aware of this. She has no excuse. Imagine if I stole an album that you'd made and used it to advertise a movie that made me rich, and didn't ask permission, because I "didn't know about Copyright laws". I'd get my ass sued so hard my ancestors would be given debt.

Self defense and right of reply. The white female instigated the verbal assault and the physical assault. You talk shit and you throw punches, better prepare yourself for equal rationalization.

Refer to my other responses.

lol invading. No property was destroyed. White female instigated violence, police officer perpetuated violence, and >100 (In fact >75) youths. These are facts, not fairy tales.

This is funny. I'll just post a few reads for you, just to help out.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/06/08/the-full-story-of-the-mckinney-texas-pool-mob-inside-the-craig-ranch-subdivision/

http://bearingarms.com/really-happened-mckinney-texas/

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/blame-the-teenagers-for-what-happened-in-mckinney-not-the-police/

I can keep going if you want me to.

So I'm supposed to run away from police?

You're trespassing. Yeah, pretty sure if a cop tells you to get the hell out of Dodge, you do it.

She wasn't resting either.

Refusing to comply with an order issued multiple times? I'm pretty sure that counts as resisting. Tell me if I'm wrong.

What? Are you pulling this out of your a*s? No evidence. Your statement is factually incorrect. Pick a number. You can't be changing from 100+ to 8 cops to 10:1. Where did the other seven go? make up your mind

Lmao, links prove different buddy. Sorry to bust your race-baiting bubble.

I am putting myself in the shoes of a law abiding officer.An officer should be and must be able to scan the area in which he is in and determine the situation a apply appropriate force.

And I believe he did what was appropriate.

This was in reference to UniqueMind's post, about how it was only a PR movie. I said, it doesn't matter, because now he's off the beat, which is a good thing. Cuz fuck incompetent police officers.

But dear God if he wouldn't have apologized, or even worse, stood by his actions, he'd be lynch mobbed by now by the media.

It's called Chaos.

Lmao, chaos was what was happening prior to the police arriving on scene.

Danny_boi 16

June 28th, 2015, 09:07 PM

I disagree. Media can influence a population into believing something that isn't actually true, or at least in a non-biased way. Just look at our recent invasion of Iraq for example.
I disagree. When you say "recent" invasion of Iraq I think you might be talking about ISIL. But it case you're not, also also talk about the 2003 invasion. Yes the mainstream media following the 9/11 attacks pressed hard for retaliation. None more so passionate than Fox. However, I took until 2002-03 till the congress concluded debated on President Bush's AUMF. In mid 2003, while the media was still pressing for war, the general public was unhappy with the war, and some were even unhappy before the war started. Congress followed suit in the disapproval and the media lagged behind until 2005-06. The media can't influence the minds of Americans to the degree you're referring too. But maybe your own media has influenced you into these baseless and incoherent opinions. However, I digress. If you are talk about ISIL. One. we haven't invaded Iraq against, and Two. The nation's public opinion doesn't want to go to war, regardless of the mainstream media beating the drums. Plus, President Obama's AUMF hasn't even been debated outside closed committees.

I believe the Civil Rights act of 1964 would say it is.

This takes a profound amount of hubris to say this. Anyway, SCOTUS gutted the Voting Rights Act of 1965 in Shelby County v. Holder. This damages not only the Civil Rights Act of '64 (which was part of Pres. Johnson's series of Civil Rights legislation) but also cripples the continuous (that means never ending) movement of Civil Rights. Which leads back to your hubris.

It's hard to say for sure if the amount of cases of misconduct and/or brutality are increasing. It's possible that they're just now becoming reported more often. Criminologists are reported to even saying this.

I agree here.

That's where I disagree. I see a lot of blacks trying to guilt trip whites over issues like slavery. While yes, it was a terrible thing, it was also done nearly 150 years ago. There's absolutely nobody to this day who can say they endured that treatment, however you see people acting like they're still in chains. I don't see too many people complaining over the ethnic cleansing of the Afrikaners or the whites on Hati, which was done in the similar time period.

First of all not 150 years ago, that's the end of the Civil War, you might have been confused. Also again, unspeakable amounts of hubris. No one is trying to guilt trip anything, but you might of gotten that information from un-trustworthy sources. Also, whites and all of America should feel ashamed of slavery. We shouldn't hide it, nor embrace it, just acknowledge it and realize sorry isn't enough. Like the current German Republic and how the treat their Nazi history. Also people are talking about the Haiti thing here's a link to just one secondary source (however not "mainstream" media): http://www.democracynow.org/topics/haiti
Also, I bet you that news source that used in that card is probably talking about it too :D:rolleyes:

Sorry to burst your bubble, but racism will never cease to continue. People will dislike those who are different than them, whether they are white, black, asian, whatever. No amount of holding hands is going to solve that.

I didn't say racism is ending. But we can stop the growth of the ideology by teaching children that it's wrong. Even now, those who are vehemently racist are outcast. As they should be, such backwards people are parasites on society; and, everything must be done socially (not through government) to ostracize and socially disenfranchise them.

That's false. Police forces have helped out in low-income communities before, and these acts of kindness never gain much attention. Instead, these isolate incidents gain the public's attention.

Not all, and I think I made you a list. Refer back to it if you get lost.

Sure, trespassing, vandalizing property, and breaking out in fights make you a victim. Remind me to tell the police that next time I go rob a house.

White female instigated the fight. And crimes committed in the ignorance of the law does not warrant police brutality. The only crimes were disturbance of the peace and possible trespassing.

It's not the fact that they were black. The officers were outnumbered by youth that'd already proven to be violent.

"Proven to be violent" :lol: that beyond factually incorrect. Eight officer is plenty to subdue a group of >40 youths. (Hint: a lot of them ran away)

I believe Twitter shows a good view of the general public's opinion on various issues. While I would not trust them as a news source, I would be comfortable to rely on them as a general idea of what people think.

But they aren't a suitable source for evidence in a debate. If used that way, it lead to in a misconstruction premise, and then the conclusion becomes a fallacy.

The inhabitants, which I may add were of various races, all report fights breaking out among the youth.

I didn't see that in the reports or on camera. What I read and saw was a fight between a white female adult and black youth. Other youth then tried to break up the fight.

Once again, inhabitants say differently.

Show me in the reports.

Lol, good luck is all I'll say to that.

Yes good luck, logic, well seasoned offices, mental soundness, respect for the law and persons, and good training.

Well maybe if the white community wasn't harassed by the black community when incidents like this happened, maybe I wouldn't need to.

The black community isn't harassing the white community. That fact that you think that is very disturbing. You either have a profound, unspeakable, astronomical amount of hubris. Or you have be woefully been misinformed.

Yes, because the "Fuck da police, get muh bitches and money, smoke weed" that rap music (Which is mainly composed of, you guessed it, black males who started out as lower-income people that inspire their music)

Dude, now I'm seriously concerned about your competence and or understanding of the situation of a whole and the underlying issue. Or maybe your grasp on reality has be altered into believing discredited ideology, mantra, and sources.

Lol, they were verbally told. Multiple times. And like I said, as a business owner she should have been aware of this. She has no excuse. Imagine if I stole an album that you'd made and used it to advertise a movie that made me rich, and didn't ask permission, because I "didn't know about Copyright laws". I'd get my ass sued so hard my ancestors would be given debt.

Maybe you don't know that policing is. I recommend taking a field trip down to local precinct instead of watch old movies and backwater television. Also a trip to the law center or court house might help. Refer back to my statement with words "crimes" "committed" "in" "ignorance" "..."

This is funny. I'll just post a few reads for you, just to help out.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/06/08/the-full-story-of-the-mckinney-texas-pool-mob-inside-the-craig-ranch-subdivision/

http://bearingarms.com/really-happened-mckinney-texas/

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/blame-the-teenagers-for-what-happened-in-mckinney-not-the-police/

I can keep going if you want me to.

I can't accept any these "news" articles. They are not proper sources for a logical debate based on facts and reason, not right-wing opinion (and no, I won't accept CNN or "liberal" media). There is an obvious bias, even in the names of these so called sources. If you need help I left a hint. (Hint: I use primary sources)

You're trespassing. Yeah, pretty sure if a cop tells you to get the hell out of Dodge, you do it.

I'm not sure that's how it works. If a cop finds that I've been trespassing, I think I'm supposed to be arrested. I think civilians tell me to leave. I might be wrong, but I thought the point was to go to court if a crime is committed, and if a crime is committed a person is supposed to be detained. But I might be wrong.

Refusing to comply with an order issued multiple times? I'm pretty sure that counts as resisting. Tell me if I'm wrong.

TEX PE. CODE ANN. § 38.03 : Texas Statutes - Section 38.03: RESISTING ARREST, SEARCH, OR TRANSPORTATION -
a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally prevents or obstructs a person he knows is a peace officer or a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction from effecting an arrest, search, or transportation of the actor or another by using force against the peace officer or another.
(b) It is no defense to prosecution under this section that the arrest or search was unlawful.
(c) Except as provided in Subsection (d), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(d) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the actor uses a deadly weapon to resist the arrest or search.

Take this anyway you want, but I'd say that the first thing you said was wrong.

Lmao, links prove different buddy. Sorry to bust your race-baiting bubble.

LMAO, those links prove nothing. Go find some better sources and then come back. And lol "race-baiting":lol:

And I believe he did what was appropriate.

Again, you must not understand policing. Go to on the field trip like I recommended.

But dear God if he wouldn't have apologized, or even worse, stood by his actions, he'd be lynch mobbed by now by the media.

Dude, were are you even getting this? Apology or no apology he still would have been removed from the police force. And this might be news to you, but freedom of the press in a thing in this country. If you don't like it Iran and the DPRK is always looking for new citizens.

Lmao, chaos was what was happening prior to the police arriving on scene.

And it his job to end it not exacerbate it.

Sir Suomi

July 7th, 2015, 09:25 PM

But it case you're not, also also talk about the 2003 invasion.

That's what I'm referring to.

In mid 2003, while the media was still pressing for war, the general public was unhappy with the war,

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/publications/770-1.gif

Actually, this shows that the majority of Americans supported the war up until 2005.

The media can't influence the minds of Americans to the degree you're referring too.

I'd disagree. Media can scare a population into insanity. Look at the reaction to the Ebola outbreak. Many Americans were considering Ebola the next Black Death, when in all reality it wasn't a significant threat to really any civilized nation.

The nation's public opinion doesn't want to go to war

http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/02/2-24-2015_01.png

Polls show different.

First of all not 150 years ago, that's the end of the Civil War, you might have been confused.

Slavery? Last I checked it all but ended in the United States after the Civil War.

Also people are talking about the Haiti thing here's a link to just one secondary source (however not "mainstream" media):

This is what I was referring to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre

But we can stop the growth of the ideology by teaching children that it's wrong.

I'm pretty sure that it's widely known by most children that racism is bad.

Even now, those who are vehemently racist are outcast.

Funny enough we don't outcast most rappers these days :P (Sarcasm)

White female instigated the fight. And crimes committed in the ignorance of the law does not warrant police brutality. The only crimes were disturbance of the peace and possible trespassing.

Witnesses from the residents proves different

"Proven to be violent" :lol: that beyond factually incorrect.

Yes, because fighting and property damage doesn't prove that you are violent.

Eight officer is plenty to subdue a group of >40 youths.

Without using force on those who refuse to follow the officer's orders? K then.

But they aren't a suitable source for evidence in a debate.

Like I said, I wouldn't use them as factual sources, instead I would use them as a basic grasp of what the public opinion is, at least to some degree.

I didn't see that in the reports or on camera.

What you saw is what happened after the verbal disagreement between the white female and the youth. Much like a lot of these kinds of incidents, the whole story is not revealed and people make assumptions.

The black community isn't harassing the white community. That fact that you think that is very disturbing.

Obviously we see different ends of the spectrum then.

Dude, now I'm seriously concerned about your competence and or understanding of the situation of a whole and the underlying issue.

I'm showing that there are media influences that demonize police officers and can lead to distrust among youth who listen to these songs with officers. I can show you some of these songs if you really don't believe what I'm saying.

Refer back to my statement with words "crimes" "committed" "in" "ignorance" "..."

You're missing the point here. She was running a business. Businesses are expected to follow guidelines, rules, and regulations or else face consequences. Not knowing about such rules is their fault. There can be no argument against that.

I can't accept any these "news" articles. They are not proper sources for a logical debate based on facts and reason, not right-wing opinion

Seeing how each article follows the same pattern, I'd be hard pressed to say that they're throwing these facts out of their asses.

I'm not sure that's how it works. If a cop finds that I've been trespassing, I think I'm supposed to be arrested.

I'm lost here. So are you telling me you'd rather be arrested instead of leaving an area where a police officer is informing you that you are trespassing upon? I'm hoping I'm misreading this, because if not that is the most blatantly stupid logic I've ever heard. And I've listened to speeches by Hillary Clinton.

jayjay's toocool

July 7th, 2015, 10:11 PM

image (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/09/23/2976878800000578-3117517-Protests_Hundreds_marched_through_the_Dallas_area_city_calling_f-a-16_1433889886085.jpg)

lmfao at the "AMERIKKKA" sign

homie if this country were as racist as your handlers have led you to believe, you'd be hanging on one of those trees already

breaking news cops are assholes, a KKK comparison is nonsensical because the KKK would sneak into your cabin at night while you were sleeping and shoot you in the head

wrangling you and saying the F-word even to a 14 year old is not even in the same zip code as the real KKK

WHY do they have to turn everything into a RACE WAR (well I know why but shit) just wish it would fucking stop already
You're ignorant in this post, but it's that you're so bodly and ridiculously ignorant that I am commenting on it.

brambox

July 8th, 2015, 10:10 AM

Wtf is wrong with the american police?

Emerald Dream

July 9th, 2015, 02:35 PM

Let's try and stay on-topic please. If we can't, this thread will be locked. Unnecessary posts have been deleted.