Ireland says yes to same-sex marriage

[Vlerchan]

Ireland has become the first country in the world to bring in same-sex marriage by a popular vote.

The official result was declared at Dublin Castle shortly before 7pm this evening.

A total of 1,201,607 people (62.1%) voted Yes and 734,300 (37.9%) voted No.

The total poll was just under two million.

http://www.rte.ie/news/vote2015/2015/0523/703205-referendum-byelection/
I was expecting closer as last weeks polls described but I can't claim to be disappointed I was wrong. I was in Dublin city centre today and as the voting was announced it was gripped in celebration - Dublin Castle where it was announced was packed. It's also not common to see open same-sex couples but there was numerous out this afternoon and this evening.

So welcome to the 21st century, Ireland. I'm proud of you.

[Microcosm]

I saw this earlier this morning. As soon as I saw it, I was like "I bet Vlerchan's pretty happy" because I knew you were from Ireland :P

It's pretty cool though. Maybe they'll set an example for the rest of the world.

[Dreamer98]

I'm glad to hear that . :)
All humans should be equally treated , because we're all same . :D :)

And what about law that forbids being heretic , if I'm not wrong about that law . :D :D :D

[Miserabilia]

I followed the news on this, great outcome :)

[Emerald Dream]

For a country that has been traditionally Catholic, this is very big news.

[Hudor]

For a country that has been traditionally Catholic, this is very big news.

Exactly ^^
It's a big victory also because it comes by referendum.

[Exocet]

What a shame.
No wonder Europe is becoming a sh.tty place,it's better to live in Afghanistan,or Iraq,or even Saudi Arabia these days..

[WanderingHeart]

What a shame.
No wonder Europe is becoming a sh.tty place,it's better to live in Afghanistan,or Iraq,or even Saudi Arabia these days..

What do you mean by that?

This is amazing, thank you Ireland! Let's hope the rest of the world follows that example.

[Vermilion]

What a shame.
No wonder Europe is becoming a sh.tty place,it's better to live in Afghanistan,or Iraq,or even Saudi Arabia these days..

What is your problem with same sex marriage ?
living in a country controlled by religion must be great!!. I'd love to be told I was doing something wrong and that I'm going to hell.

[Microcosm]

What a shame.
No wonder Europe is becoming a sh.tty place,it's better to live in Afghanistan,or Iraq,or even Saudi Arabia these days..

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion.

But might I ask that you explain the following:

1. Why say "What a shame?"

2. Europe is becoming a shitty place to live how?

3. How is it better to live in the Middle East? That last part seems like a joke.

[Exocet]

I have many reasons,but it violates Natural law,and it isn't even a mariage !
Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.
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God,the former generations can return in their graves,if they see the current world!
(P.S You guys can say whatever you want,insult me etc.,it won't change my POV.)
- Rainbow Dash Because in these countries,you won't see any gay have any right,or same sex mariage,or even in Russia.

[Microcosm]

I have many reasons,but it violates Natural law,and it isn't even a mariage !
Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.
-
God,the former generations can return in their graves,if they see the current world!
(P.S You guys can say whatever you want,insult me etc.,it won't change my POV.)
- Rainbow Dash Because in these countries,you won't see any gay have any right,or same sex mariage,or even in Russia.

I wouldn't insult you. Hopefully no one else here would either if they actually know your argument against it. In fact, the natural law argument against homosexuality actually makes perfect sense. The thing about it, though, is that there are some people who just can't be happy unless they are in a relationship with a member of the same sex.

I could also attempt to refute your argument by saying that perhaps everything that happens to anyone is actually according to natural will. By saying that, now nothing can actually go against natural law. Everything that happens and has the potential to happen is backed by the beauty and uniformity of nature. If it's true that homosexuals were somehow an exception to this fact, then how can they even be homosexual if they live within a natural system that would not allow them to be so? Therefore, it only makes sense to say that homosexuality is from nature and supported by it.

[Stronk Serb]

Now just to repeal those blasphemy laws andyou're all good.

[Karkat]

What a shame.
No wonder Europe is becoming a sh.tty place,it's better to live in Afghanistan,or Iraq,or even Saudi Arabia these days..

The irony

What is your problem with same sex marriage ?
living in a country controlled by religion must be great!!. I'd love to be told I was doing something wrong and that I'm going to hell.

:lol:

I have many reasons,but it violates Natural law,and it isn't even a mariage !
Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.
-
God,the former generations can return in their graves,if they see the current world!
(P.S You guys can say whatever you want,insult me etc.,it won't change my POV.)
- Rainbow Dash Because in these countries,you won't see any gay have any right,or same sex mariage,or even in Russia.

Arguably, humans invented marriage. (Waits for inevitable moot god argument)

Does the word "war" mean anything to you? Like, you live in a first world country. The amount of absurdity in your posts is too much to handle.

[Ridonks_CB]

What a shame.
No wonder Europe is becoming a sh.tty place,it's better to live in Afghanistan,or Iraq,or even Saudi Arabia these days..

I'm a religious person, but I don't have a say in this issue because other people's sex lives simply do not concern me or anybody else actually. I'm actually glad for Ireland, let these people do what they want - it's not harming anybody. You can disagree with us, not everyone is pro-LGBT, but to say that living in those other places simply because of the ban of homosexuality is incorrect. There might not be open homosexuals, but there are many other downsides such as extremism, corrupt governments, and narrow-minded people.

[Karkat]

I'm a religious person, but I don't have a say in this issue because other people's sex lives simply do not concern me or anybody else actually. I'm actually glad for Ireland, let these people do what they want - it's not harming anybody. You can disagree with us, not everyone is pro-LGBT, but to say that living in those other places simply because of the ban of homosexuality is incorrect. There might not be open homosexuals, but there are many other downsides such as extremism, corrupt governments, and narrow-minded people.

THANK YOU

But seriously like anyone who 'wants' to live in those countries at the moment is either extremely naive or joking.

People living in those countries do not want to be there half the time

[Leprous]

I have many reasons,but it violates Natural law,and it isn't even a mariage !
Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.
-
God,the former generations can return in their graves,if they see the current world!
(P.S You guys can say whatever you want,insult me etc.,it won't change my POV.)
- Rainbow Dash Because in these countries,you won't see any gay have any right,or same sex mariage,or even in Russia.

You're someone who confuses me. Coming on this site while you hate gay/bi people. Rethink that sentence buddy. Those countries aren't good at all. May I ask you what a gay person has done wrong to YOU personally that made you hate them? And I want a reason other than religion.

[Microcosm]

You're someone who confuses me. Coming on this site while you hate gay/bi people. Rethink that sentence buddy. Those countries aren't good at all. May I ask you what a gay person has done wrong to YOU personally that made you hate them? And I want a reason other than religion.

He never actually said he hated gay people. Rather, he said he disagreed with the idea of homosexuality, and he is totally entitled to his opinion. Professing that he is a somehow a cruel person for not agreeing with homosexuality is quite confusing to me.

[Ridonks_CB]

THANK YOU

But seriously like anyone who 'wants' to live in those countries at the moment is either extremely naive or joking.

People living in those countries do not want to be there half the time

You're welcome.
I come from the Middle East so I get a bit sensitive about it :/ The ban of homosexuality there does in no way make some of those places very great to live in

[onewingedangel666]

Did nyone hear about the gay dad that didn't want same-sex marriage legalized in Ireland? That guy was strange haha...

[Exocet]

You're someone who confuses me. Coming on this site while you hate gay/bi people. Rethink that sentence buddy. Those countries aren't good at all. May I ask you what a gay person has done wrong to YOU personally that made you hate them? And I want a reason other than religion.

And ? Lol,as if i'll go to jail because i'm against gays. (maybe in care bears land) You can guys ban me,that won't change anything,i won't change my pov,so,what ?
Homosexuality disgusts me,i don't hide it,sorry,but that can't work like that,the world of today has gone too far,what's next ? Human-animal marriage ?
Seriously.

[Living For Love]

Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman [...]
Even though I think you're trolling, I'll have to agree with you on this. I don't have nothing against gay marriage because it's not something that can, for instance, "destabilise" our societies, but I don't agree with the fact that it is also called marriage, as the expression "gay marriage" kind of contradicts itself.

[Hudor]

I have many reasons,but it violates Natural law,and it isn't even a mariage !.

The Natural Law. Hmmm. Maybe you would like to know that humans aren't the only species exhibiting homosexuality. So I don't really think homosexuality is against nature. As for going against the law I'll give you examples that better fit the frame of not abiding by Nature's law. The technology that has become such an integral part of our lives, the pc or laptop or mobile you use and the internet are all part of our technological advancements. Unfortunately they go against the natural law. In fact if we were to be residents of the earth abiding wholly by the natural law I think we would be back to the Stone Age.


Human-animal marriage ?
Seriously.

Not really. Last I checked humans don't even understand animal language and behaviour properly and completely yet and marriage requires consent of both individuals.

[phuckphace]

what's next ? Human-animal marriage?

don't give Sweden any ideas

[CosmicNoodle]

And all over the country, old catholic people are angry.

[Exocet]

don't give Sweden any ideas

You are laughing,but everyone knows they are capable.

[Ridonks_CB]

You are laughing,but everyone knows they are capable.

I kind of see where you're getting at here. Not so much human-animal "marriage," but many fear incest will begin to become legalized.
to be honest I can't say I disagree because I've seen crazies who are trying to speak up against pro-incest, but I don't think it's necessarily because of more gays opening up to society. I personally don't mind gays, but I'm leaving the planet if it goes as far as legal sexual family relationships :yuck:

[Babs]

I have many reasons,but it violates Natural law,and it isn't even a mariage !
Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.
-
God,the former generations can return in their graves,if they see the current world!
(P.S You guys can say whatever you want,insult me etc.,it won't change my POV.)
- Rainbow Dash Because in these countries,you won't see any gay have any right,or same sex mariage,or even in Russia.

'kay but why get your panties all in a knot over something that has no effect on your life? Or no negative effect on theirs, for that matter?

[Leprous]

And ? Lol,as if i'll go to jail because i'm against gays. (maybe in care bears land) You can guys ban me,that won't change anything,i won't change my pov,so,what ?
Homosexuality disgusts me,i don't hide it,sorry,but that can't work like that,the world of today has gone too far,what's next ? Human-animal marriage ?
Seriously.

Buddy, you're 15 and already judging people like that. And you really need to calm down. I never said you had to change your pov, I just asked /why/.

[Exocet]

Buddy, you're 15 and already judging people like that. And you really need to calm down. I never said you had to change your pov, I just asked /why/.

The problem is that nowadays,the gays want to force everybody to accept them when many people are still uneasy with the idea. They have become as intolerant as those whom they criticise.
Anyway,Homosexuality,transexuality or whatever else are mental illnesses and need to be cured.

[Miserabilia]

The problem is that nowadays,the gays want to force everybody to accept them when many people are still uneasy with the idea. They have become as intolerant as those whom they criticise.
Anyway,Homosexuality,transexuality or whatever else are mental illnesses and need to be cured.

I find this a strange idea;
want to force everybody to accept them
Doesn't literaly everyone do this?
As a human being you want to be accepted.

Anyway,Homosexuality,transexuality or whatever else are mental illnesses and need to be cured.

I don't think you can put things down that black and white. Sexual orientation and gender aren't even comparible.
I can see how you'd view it as a mental disorder, but that doesn't mean it needs to be cured, untill you can show me exactly how it leaves them unable to function normaly or how what they are is hurting others.
Then ofcourse there's the question of whether or not they are able to be "cured" in the first place.

You could even view bisexuality or forms of it as a fetish; do you beleive fetishes should be cured aswell? If someone has a shoe fetish should they be rehabilitated? The thing is fetishes aren't understood by peopel that don't have them, but does that make them bad?

[Exocet]

I find this a strange idea;

Doesn't literaly everyone do this?
As a human being you want to be accepted.


That's wayyy different.
-
Anyway,yes it is a mental illness,it causes higher depression rate,higher suicide rate,weaker health...

[Skyes]

Everything we've used to forge human relationship is a mere product of mankind. Homosexuality is a genetic wiring but homophobia is not. I don't really get it. If two people have feelings for each other who would anyone be to take their happiness away from them, regardless of their genders? Two people being happy isn't something to get upset about, especially if it has no effect on you. It's ridiculous when hatred can take away human rights.

Nevertheless, good job Ireland. Another step in influencing other countries to give people the right to do what they should have been able to do forever ago.

[Miserabilia]

That's wayyy different.
-
Anyway,yes it is a mental illness,it causes higher depression rate,higher suicide rate,weaker health...

name one way in which it's different.

And, statistics? Evidence? That's a pretty interesting statement, especialy because you could argue that higher suicide and depression rate are actualy the result of not being accepted, and not the cause.

[phuckphace]

And, statistics? Evidence? That's a pretty interesting statement, especialy because you could argue that higher suicide and depression rate are actualy the result of not being accepted, and not the cause.

"everybody else is to blame for my problems" - millennial logic

Exocet is correct, and let's not forget higher rates of hard drug abuse too. I think the figure is 25 - 30% for methamphetamine abuse among gay men. yes I'm sure these tweaked out lowlives would be productive model citizens if it weren't for the mean bigots not allowing them to marry :lol3:

[Melodic]

This is awesome! :)

[Microcosm]

That's wayyy different.
-
Anyway,yes it is a mental illness,it causes higher depression rate,higher suicide rate,weaker health...

What makes gay marriage an OK thing is that it doesn't actually harm anyone more than a normal marriage. It's making people happy; appeasement if you will.

While you totally have the right to express and hold your opinion, I'd like to see a legitimate argument against it which is not easily refutable. So far, I have found none. The whole "it's against nature" argument is so easily refutable and holds no weight, really. I believe that argument has already been refuted by this point, though, so I won't add to that.

There's also the religious argument. God said not to. I think we can all agree that religious views being legally forced on people is unjustified and wrong. Claiming that "God told me not to be gay" is some sort of justification for denying gays their right to be married is simply no better than forcing religious views down people's throats. Those people might not believe the same religion as you which makes this argument entirely invalid from a legal standpoint especially under the U.S. system but also, it would seem, under any other rational democratic legal system.

I challenge you to come up with something real; some statistics or something that we can actually work with to entertain your viewpoint because, as far as I can see, there is no legitimate reason to abstain from homosexuality.

[Miserabilia]

"everybody else is to blame for my problems" - millennial logic

Exocet is correct, and let's not forget higher rates of hard drug abuse too. I think the figure is 25 - 30% for methamphetamine abuse among gay men. yes I'm sure these tweaked out lowlives would be productive model citizens if it weren't for the mean bigots not allowing them to marry :lol3:

"everybody else is to blame for my problems" - millennial logic

Your saying that if an entire group of people has higher rates of depression and suicide, the problem *must* be from within?
I'm not saying it's not, it's just that that assumption doesn't even make any sense. Just wondering, do you also beleive being black causes you to be a criminal? Since there's statisticaly more percentage black criminals than white.

Exocet is correct, and let's not forget higher rates of hard drug abuse too. I think the figure is 25 - 30% for methamphetamine abuse among gay men. yes I'm sure these tweaked out lowlives would be productive model citizens if it weren't for the mean bigots not allowing them to marry

In what way do you think he is correct? Do you beleive homosexuality should be/ can be treated? Can you show me it can? The rest of your post is still just correlation between two things, it shows nothing inherently wrong with homosexuality, you could make many things out of that, with that data saying homosexuality is the cause of hard drug abuse is the same as saying hard drug abuse causes homosexuality.