George Zimmerman gets injured in an altercation

[fairmaiden]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3077175/George-Zimmerman-suffers-gunshot-wound-altercation-man-Florida.html

The man accused of shooting at George Zimmerman on Monday may use Florida's infamous 'stand your ground defense', after claiming he feared for his life.
In what would represent a staggeringly ironic turnaround for Zimmerman, Matthew Apperson will say that Zimmerman pulled a gun first during the incident which unfolded in Lake Mary.
Apperson's bullet missed Zimmerman, who was acquitted in 2013 of murdering Trayvon Martin, but his windshield was shattered and he suffered cuts to the face, his attorney said.
Zimmerman was treated for minor injuries in hospital and the violent run-in comes eight months after Apperson told police that Zimmerman had threatened him with a gun during a road rage incident.

In September 2013, his estranged wife, Shellie Zimmerman, called 911 and claimed he had attacked her father and threatened he with a gun. She decided to not press any charges.
Then in November 2013, Zimmerman was arrested for domestic violence against his new girlfriend, Samantha Scheibe. She later dropped the charges.
Nearly a year later, in September 2014, Zimmerman was arrested for the road rage incident involving Apperson.
And in January, he was arrested for allegedly hurling a wine bottle at his girlfriend during a domestic dispute. No charges were filed in that case.


George Zimmerman was also the guy who killed Trayvon Martin.

I don't exactly know how to feel about this. Zimmerman seems to have angered/injured alot of people in the past, so I don't really have any sympathy for him.

[Ridonks_CB]

Only injuries??
dammit gunman, you had one job..

[Microcosm]

People get shot all the time. What makes this guy so special? Because he killed a black kid and made a big fuss like... Two years ago? I'm not saying I didn't have sympathy for the kid's family, but this is just the news trying to milk what they can from this guy. The Trayvon Martin thing is old news and this guy really isn't any different from any others who have gotten shot at this point.

[fairmaiden]

People get shot all the time. What makes this guy so special? Because he killed a black kid and made a big fuss like... Two years ago? I'm not saying I didn't have sympathy for the kid's family, but this is just the news trying to milk what they can from this guy. The Trayvon Martin thing is old news and this guy really isn't any different from any others who have gotten shot at this point.
Maybe because it proves that he constantly gets into serious altercations with people? His girlfriends (assault), Trayvon, and this guy (who he actually ran into a few months ago because he[George] road-raged at him while waving a gun around). Aka, he's not the peaceful, law-abiding citizen that half of the media used to make us believe two years ago. People always tainted Trayvon with the word ''thug'', when George Zimmerman is the real thug.

[Horatio Nelson]

Maybe because it proves that he constantly gets into serious altercations with people? His girlfriends (assault), Trayvon, and this guy (who he actually ran into a few months ago because he[George] road-raged at him while waving a gun around). Aka, he's not the peaceful, law-abiding citizen that half of the media used to make us believe two years ago. People always tainted Trayvon with the word ''thug'', when George Zimmerman is the real thug.

Completely agree. The guy is an ass and deserves to be shot at. I hope he gets locked up for a long time. All he does is cause problems.

[fairmaiden]

Completely agree. The guy is an ass and deserves to be shot at. I hope he gets locked up for a long time. All he does is cause problems.
Exactly!!

[Microcosm]

Maybe because it proves that he constantly gets into serious altercations with people? His girlfriends (assault), Trayvon, and this guy (who he actually ran into a few months ago because he[George] road-raged at him while waving a gun around). Aka, he's not the peaceful, law-abiding citizen that half of the media used to make us believe two years ago. People always tainted Trayvon with the word ''thug'', when George Zimmerman is the real thug.

So? Let the law deal with it, then. A few things:
-Just because he may not be a law-abiding citizen now doesn't mean he wasn't back then. I'm not saying he was and I'm not saying he wasn't, but don't you think it's possible that all that anger comes from the stress that the media has put on him ever since that incident?
-Another thing, do you really think the media would tell you the truth? Of course not. Even if he wasn't a law-abiding citizen back then, they were going to make you believe that because it causes tention and, thus, gets them views.
-One more thing, this is George Zimmerman's personal buisiness. It isn't news. Do you feel so passionately about one guy to somehow prove an outdated point from two years ago? They're just trying to get your attention. It really isn't a big deal and who are you or anyone else to judge Zimmerman for getting in an altercation? Happens all the time. Not a big deal.

[Stephan]

Oh the irony.

[fairmaiden]

So? Let the law deal with it, then. A few things:
-Just because he may not be a law-abiding citizen now doesn't mean he wasn't back then. I'm not saying he was and I'm not saying he wasn't, but don't you think it's possible that all that anger comes from the stress that the media has put on him ever since that incident?
-Another thing, do you really think the media would tell you the truth? Of course not. Even if he wasn't a law-abiding citizen back then, they were going to make you believe that because it causes tention and, thus, gets them views.
-One more thing, this is George Zimmerman's personal buisiness. It isn't news. Do you feel so passionately about one guy to somehow prove an outdated point from two years ago? They're just trying to get your attention. It really isn't a big deal and who are you or anyone else to judge Zimmerman for getting in an altercation? Happens all the time. Not a big deal.

George Zimmerman is a person of interest in the media's eyes(due to his controversial past), therefore anything major that he gets into/does would be publicised. It's quite obvious.

Sure, alot of what the media says is exaggerated and has extra bits added to it to gain more publicity, but the base of what they talk about is usually true (I'm not talking about sites like Perez Hilton's, I'm talking about proper newspapers and news websites.).

Trayvon's death was and still is highly controversial and quite alot of people believe that he deliberately killed him; not out of self-defence, but out of pure stupidity/hate/idiocy. It is very possible that he had issues long before he killed Trayvon; there is some evidence that shows that Zimmerman was a man filled with hate.

I'm sorry, but being accused of unlawfully killing someone doesn't give you the right to abuse your partners (who still, miraculously, wanted to be with him after the whole Trayvon fracas) and wave guns around.

Oh please, the event that occurred has come to my attention, and I am more than allowed to speak my mind about it. I don't have to think of myself as better than anyone in order to give my opinion on the matter. At least, that's what I'm inferring from your statement; ''who are you or anyone else to judge him''.

[Syzygy]

I don't exactly know how to feel about this. Zimmerman seems to have angered/injured alot of people in the past, so I don't really have any sympathy for him.

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[Microcosm]

George Zimmerman is a person of interest in the media's eyes(due to his controversial past), therefore anything major that he gets into/does would be publicised. It's quite obvious.

Sure, alot of what the media says is exaggerated and has extra bits added to it to gain more publicity, but the base of what they talk about is usually true (I'm not talking about sites like Perez Hilton's, I'm talking about proper newspapers and news websites.).

Trayvon's death was and still is highly controversial and quite alot of people believe that he deliberately killed him; not out of self-defence, but out of pure stupidity/hate/idiocy. It is very possible that he had issues long before he killed Trayvon; there is some evidence that shows that Zimmerman was a man filled with hate.

I'm sorry, but being accused of unlawfully killing someone doesn't give you the right to abuse your partners (who still, miraculously, wanted to be with him after the whole Trayvon fracas) and wave guns around.

Oh please, the event that occurred has come to my attention, and I am more than allowed to speak my mind about it. I don't have to think of myself as better than anyone in order to give my opinion on the matter. At least, that's what I'm inferring from your statement; ''who are you or anyone else to judge him''.

You are absolutely welcome to spread your opinion; however, my point was that he doesn't need everyone telling him what he's done wrong. It's pointless. Stuff like this happens all the time. "Cop shoots innocent black man." I've seen at least 3 of those in the past 3 months published on the news. So, what makes Zimmerman's case so special? Because he's filled with hatred? Lots of people are. When I said ''who are you or anyone else to judge him,'' I was not saying you shouldn't voice your opinion. What I was saying was that there was no point in us(me, you, anyone) judging George Zimmerman just for getting into a confrontation like this. It's not really something news-worthy.

Anyways, I apologize if I came off as rude. I can get really... Er... Passionate, when talking about this.

[Babs]

Regardless of your personal principles, I think we can all agree that if anyone deserves to be shot this guy is one of them.

[Vlerchan]

#LiberalTolerance

[WanderingHeart]

What a shame, I was hoping it'd be more .-. .

Why the hell did they decide to bring this guy on the news of all people? Tons of people get injured, damn it there are even more newsworthy stories out there. And they bring HIM on??

[Ridonks_CB]

What a shame, I was hoping it'd be more .-. .

Why the hell did they decide to bring this guy on the news of all people? Tons of people get injured, damn it there are even more newsworthy stories out there. And they bring HIM on??

Why does the media report half the shit that they do.
because they are shit media stations (im referrng to faux news, cnn, etc)

[thatcountrykid]

All you guys calling for blood. What happened to the right to life you all freak out about when it's a black kid shot or something like that?

[Sugaree]

All you guys calling for blood. What happened to the right to life you all freak out about when it's a black kid shot or something like that?

But you don't understand, white people don't deserve to live according to these people.

[Vlerchan]

But you don't understand, white people don't deserve to live according to these people.
I find it amusing how Zimmerman jumps between being White and Hispanic depending on the respective point and prejudice.

With social conservatives he's getting whiter by the second.

[thatcountrykid]

I find it amusing how Zimmerman jumps between being White and Hispanic depending on the respective point and prejudice.

With social conservatives he's getting whiter by the second.

I consider him an American. Race has no effect on my decisions. Every in this country is a human being and an American. Start acting like one. The division lies wishing the people themselves.

[fairmaiden]

You are absolutely welcome to spread your opinion; however, my point was that he doesn't need everyone telling him what he's done wrong. It's pointless. Stuff like this happens all the time. "Cop shoots innocent black man." I've seen at least 3 of those in the past 3 months published on the news. So, what makes Zimmerman's case so special? Because he's filled with hatred? Lots of people are. When I said ''who are you or anyone else to judge him,'' I was not saying you shouldn't voice your opinion. What I was saying was that there was no point in us(me, you, anyone) judging George Zimmerman just for getting into a confrontation like this. It's not really something news-worthy.

Anyways, I apologize if I came off as rude. I can get really... Er... Passionate, when talking about this.
The media always publishes stories that would be of high interest. George Zimmerman killed Trayvon, someone tries to kill George, uses the ''stand-your-ground'' excuse, blahblahblah and it makes a great story for the newspaper. It's obviously not going to be news-worthy for everyone, but I was interested, so that's my opinion on the matter.

If I'm not making sense, it's due to the fact that it's seriously early in the morning, so I apologise.
All you guys calling for blood. What happened to the right to life you all freak out about when it's a black kid shot or something like that?
Your question is basically; Why do you guys freak out for innocent lives lost instead of feeling sorry for an abuser and killer who escaped from an altercation with minor cuts?

Hmm, well, I don't particularly want to converse with you seeing as you're a person who is happy to defend the likes of George Zimmerman (who has killed someone and abused his previous girlfriends), but when it comes to someone being put in an illegal chokehold in the street by a police officer, you don't want to accept the fact that it was unjustified.

You are completely biased and it's ridiculous. I have respect for people of all races, all backgrounds, all genders, all sexualities, all occupations etc. but it seems like you only have respect for police officers and some others. Stop acting like some people on this thread (including myself) hate people for being a part of a certain race when you know for a fact that we don't.

You know why I don't have respect for Zimmerman? Because he doesn't have respect for the people who he attacks. I'm not interested in continuing this conversation because I can predict how it'll end, aka; ''George made mistakes, haven't we all?! Stop hating white people and police officers!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!111!''

But you don't understand, white people don't deserve to live according to these people.
Oh bore off. If you have anything else better to say, please let me know.

Vlerchan is correct; people constantly change Zimmerman's race from Hispanic to White to fit the situation.

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I am pretty much done replying in this thread, because I am tired and bored of fighting with people who are insinuating that I and others are ''hating white people'' or whatever you seem to be trying to bore into my skull.
goodluck.

[thatcountrykid]

The media always publishes stories that would be of high interest. George Zimmerman killed Trayvon, someone tries to kill George, uses the ''stand-your-ground'' excuse, blahblahblah and it makes a great story for the newspaper. It's obviously not going to be news-worthy for everyone, but I was interested, so that's my opinion on the matter.

If I'm not making sense, it's due to the fact that it's seriously early in the morning, so I apologise.

Your question is basically; Why do you guys freak out for innocent lives lost instead of feeling sorry for an abuser and killer who escaped from an altercation with minor cuts?

Hmm, well, I don't particularly want to converse with you seeing as you're a person who is happy to defend the likes of George Zimmerman (who has killed someone and abused his previous girlfriends), but when it comes to someone being put in an illegal chokehold in the street by a police officer, you don't want to accept the fact that it was unjustified.

You are completely biased and it's ridiculous. I have respect for people of all races, all backgrounds, all genders, all sexualities, all occupations etc. but it seems like you only have respect for police officers and some others. Stop acting like some people on this thread (including myself) hate people for being a part of a certain race when you know for a fact that we don't.

You know why I don't have respect for Zimmerman? Because he doesn't have respect for the people who he attacks. I'm not interested in continuing this conversation because I can predict how it'll end, aka; ''George made mistakes, haven't we all?! Stop hating white people and police officers!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!111!''


Oh bore off. If you have anything else better to say, please let me know.

Vlerchan is correct; people constantly change Zimmerman's race from Hispanic to White to fit the situation.

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I am pretty much done replying in this thread, because I am tired and bored of fighting with people who are insinuating that I and others are ''hating white people'' or whatever you seem to be trying to bore into my skull.
goodluck.

Oh boy are you mad. Respect is given. Not earned. Respect everyone. I show respect till its lost.

I'm saying you guys are hypocrites. I never said you hate anyone. Actually I wouldn't mind you showing where I did.

I respect the good people. Like I said. Given till proved its not deserved

[fairmaiden]

Oh boy are you mad. Respect is given. Not earned. Respect everyone. I show respect till its lost.

I'm saying you guys are hypocrites. I never said you hate anyone. Actually I wouldn't mind you showing where I did.

I respect the good people. Like I said. Given till proved its not deserved
Right, so I guess that by dying, Eric Garner lost your respect. Oh don't tell me; you lost complete respect for him because he was trying to defend himself from an arrest that he thought was unreasonable.

Why on earth do you think Zimmerman has the right to life yet from your previous posts you clearly don't think Eric Garner and certain others don't? I'm assuming this from your lack sympathy for them.

I said ''acting like we hate....''. Your post; ''All you guys calling for blood. What happened to the right to life you all freak out about when it's a black kid shot or something like that?'' insinuates that we only care about black people being shot, which is a ludicrous statement to make.

I already said that I'm done replying, so please leave me alone and get on with your life. I'm not interested in getting into a 10 day argument about your love for Zimmerman.

Goodbye.

[Lovelife090994]

Oh Gods this thread is amazing! I feel Zimmerman is the real thug. Domestic abuse, violence, murder, and road-rage; when will it end?

[thatcountrykid]

Right, so I guess that by dying, Eric Garner lost your respect. Oh don't tell me; you lost complete respect for him because he was trying to defend himself from an arrest that he thought was unreasonable.

Why on earth do you think Zimmerman has the right to life yet from your previous posts you clearly don't think Eric Garner and certain others don't? I'm assuming this from your lack sympathy for them.

I said ''acting like we hate....''. Your post; ''All you guys calling for blood. What happened to the right to life you all freak out about when it's a black kid shot or something like that?'' insinuates that we only care about black people being shot, which is a ludicrous statement to make.

I already said that I'm done replying, so please leave me alone and get on with your life. I'm not interested in getting into a 10 day argument about your love for Zimmerman.

Goodbye.

I don't beleive garner needed to die however I don't beleive he was purposely killed nor did the officer need to be charged. It was accidental death.

And I'm sure you know what they say when you assume.

The thing about me, a major reason I want to be an officer, is ensure that every gets proper legal treatment. It doesn't matter who you are Or what you have done. As long as you are a victim of a legitimate crime you deserve protection.

[fairmaiden]

I don't beleive garner needed to die however I don't beleive he was purposely killed nor did the officer need to be charged. It was accidental death.

And I'm sure you know what they say when you assume.

The thing about me, a major reason I want to be an officer, is ensure that every gets proper legal treatment. It doesn't matter who you are Or what you have done. As long as you are a victim of a legitimate crime you deserve protection.
One more thing; accidental death by use of an illegal chokehold = manslaughter. Should have been charged either way.

[thatcountrykid]

One more thing; accidental death by use of an illegal chokehold = manslaughter. Should have been charged either way.

It wasn't illegal. It was against department policy. That's where you're mis informed

[Vlerchan]

There's at least one news site (http://gawker.com/man-accused-of-shooting-at-george-zimmerman-arrested-1704954615) that's reporting Zimmerman's shooter was a white man claiming to be acting in self-defense.

Does this mean Zimmerman's still white?

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It was also still manslaughter.

[Sugaree]

I find it amusing how Zimmerman jumps between being White and Hispanic depending on the respective point and prejudice.

With social conservatives he's getting whiter by the second.

If I saw him walking down the street, I would say Zimmerman is white with a very obvious tan. Whatever race he wants to identify with or present as is up to him. The only reason people think he's white is because that is the narrative they were fed through biased media reports.


Your question is basically; Why do you guys freak out for innocent lives lost instead of feeling sorry for an abuser and killer who escaped from an altercation with minor cuts?

That's not the question; the question is why do you constantly preach about protecting certain groups or people from discrimination but, when there is a group or person being discriminated against that you don't want to protect, you ignore it?

Hmm, well, I don't particularly want to converse with you seeing as you're a person who is happy to defend the likes of George Zimmerman (who has killed someone and abused his previous girlfriends), but when it comes to someone being put in an illegal chokehold in the street by a police officer, you don't want to accept the fact that it was unjustified.


tl;dr I don't want to talk to you because you have a different opinion, and despite me trying to tell you that I'm open minded and willing to hear different opinions, I don't want to hear yours because NYEH.

Jesus, if you project any more, I would swear I was watching a movie. Instead of furthering the topic, you go after a person for their opinions rather than discussing the opinions themselves? I would love to see you in a debate class.

You are completely biased and it's ridiculous. I have respect for people of all races, all backgrounds, all genders, all sexualities, all occupations etc. but it seems like you only have respect for police officers and some others. Stop acting like some people on this thread (including myself) hate people for being a part of a certain race when you know for a fact that we don't.


Unsubstantiated claims. Please show where countrykid is biased. To me, it seems he's trying to give the complete opposite opinion you've given. That's not bias, that's debate. Also, more projection in saying that countrykid only has respect for police officers and "some others".

You know why I don't have respect for Zimmerman? Because he doesn't have respect for the people who he attacks. I'm not interested in continuing this conversation because I can predict how it'll end, aka; ''George made mistakes, haven't we all?! Stop hating white people and police officers!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!111!''

Except that's exactly the point. George is human, like everyone else. He made mistakes like you, me, and everyone else who has ever been born or will be born on this planet. Did you think Trayvon Martin made a mistake when he decided to slam Zimmerman's head into the concrete? Do you think Michael Brown made a mistake when he attempted to reach Darren Wilson's weapon and subsequently charged at him? It goes both ways. And again, even MORE projection because you think you know how this conversation will end.


Oh bore off. If you have anything else better to say, please let me know.

I have plenty to say, but you're only proving my points correct so far.

Vlerchan is correct; people constantly change Zimmerman's race from Hispanic to White to fit the situation.

Isn't it funny how you seem to be doing that? Just now?

I am pretty much done replying in this thread, because I am tired and bored of fighting with people who are insinuating that I and others are ''hating white people'' or whatever you seem to be trying to bore into my skull.
goodluck.

And yet you're still very emotionally invested in the thread by trying to prove us wrong. Say one thing, do another. That's called a hypocrite.

Right, so I guess that by dying, Eric Garner lost your respect. Oh don't tell me; you lost complete respect for him because he was trying to defend himself from an arrest that he thought was unreasonable.

PROJECTION PROJECTION PROJECTION

Garner earned no respect because he was knowingly breaking the law. Does that mean he deserved to be arrested? Yes. Does that mean he should have been taken down to the ground and strangled? If he was resisting arrest, which he was, then pinning him down was necessary; choking him into submission and killing him was not.

Please, tell me how a person, who knowingly commits crimes, deserves respect in any way, shape, or form? If Garner were arrested, booked, and tried in court, there would be no problem. The guy was selling loosies on a street corner - IN BROAD DAYLIGHT - and got caught. Not the smartest criminal, I reckon. So, for officers to come by and arrest him in the act of selling loosies, there should be no argument of "unreasonable" arrest.

Why on earth do you think Zimmerman has the right to life yet from your previous posts you clearly don't think Eric Garner and certain others don't? I'm assuming this from your lack sympathy for them.

Zimmerman has a right to life just as much as you and I do. If you were in Zimmerman's situation, and you had a means to defend yourself, whether it be a firearm or anything, wouldn't you use that means? From what I gather, your opinion seems to be that, because Zimmerman defended himself against a black man, and subsequently killed that black man, that makes him guilty of murder. Would you say the same if the races were reversed? Would you even care then?

Eric Garner had the right to life as well, but he broke the law. He should have been arrested, tried in court, and, if found guilty, serve his sentence in prison. But the police officer who killed him took unnecessary action on the situation. From that point, I can agree with you. He could have just taken Garner down, handcuffed him, and had him in the police cruiser in a short amount of time. There was no need to choke him and blatantly ignore his pleas for help.

Criminals who knowingly commit their crimes do not deserve sympathy. Do you also give sympathy to Ed Gein, Ted Bundy, and Jeffery Dahmer? They were all criminals; did they deserve sympathy? No, because they knew what they were doing was wrong, both legally and morally. Now, if Garner was, say, stealing food from a grocery store to feed his family, that's different. He would have been committing a crime out of desperation to survive. And I'm sure that, in many cases, people found guilty of dealing drugs or stealing commit those crimes out of sheer desperation.

I said ''acting like we hate....''. Your post; ''All you guys calling for blood. What happened to the right to life you all freak out about when it's a black kid shot or something like that?'' insinuates that we only care about black people being shot, which is a ludicrous statement to make.

Then why is it that we only hear about the shootings and/or killings of black men by white police officers but never of the shootings and/or killings of white men by white police officers or white men by black police officers? There's a very clear bias coming from the mainstream media coverage, and it's not hard to see.

I already said that I'm done replying, so please leave me alone and get on with your life. I'm not interested in getting into a 10 day argument about your love for Zimmerman.

Goodbye.

That's the second goodbye. Waiting for the third.

[KeeganW]

Oh Gods this thread is amazing! I feel Zimmerman is the real thug. Domestic abuse, violence, murder, and road-rage; when will it end?

I think this way about him too.