Which is better?

[WanderingHeart]

In many religions or cultures, throughout all of time, women have had to cover themselves from head to toe so the men can control their sexual desires. That has always irritated me and is a real bother. Now, I'm not saying I like seeing girls wearing their booty shorts and all. I'm overall a modest person so I don't show too much skin when it comes down to it. I'm just stating what I think.

Honestly, I don't think men should be allowed to tell women what to wear. It's fucking annoying how they do that in a lot of cultures and places. Women should be able to tell one another what to wear.
Now, I'm not saying go fucking show off your boobs and ass, then complain about guys sexually harassing you and about rapists.

The biggest thing that pisses me off is that they think covering the women is more important than actually TEACHING the men that women are not sexual objects! No, I am not generalizing all men. I am talking about the men that are bad.

My question is, what do you think is better:
Covering up the women from head to toe and keeping them inside
Or
Teaching the men?

[Dying Ember]

Teaching the men, definitely. Neither gender should have control over the other

[Ridonks_CB]

The men should be taught most definitely, and it's not to say that it's never been spoken about. It's just these days especially the guys aren't given as much of the responsibility as they should :/ No matter how you dress, you should NEVER be blamed for any sort of harassment, ever.
also, i just want it to be understood that for a lot of cultures/religions, the reason women cover isn't specifically to keep guys from getting aroused (again, they need to be taught to control themselves and avert their eyes) but it's for a sense if modesty and to hide/cherish the woman's beauty for the right man once he takes her hand in marriage. this modesty honours them, and shows that they are pious. It is often misunderstood/told these days that the main reason for coverage of a woman is to keep guys in their own pants, but that is not it at all and I just wanted to state that.

[Jason The Great]

In many religions or cultures, throughout all of time, women have had to cover themselves from head to toe so the men can control their sexual desires. That has always irritated me and is a real bother. Now, I'm not saying I like seeing girls wearing their booty shorts and all. I'm overall a modest person so I don't show too much skin when it comes down to it. I'm just stating what I think.

Honestly, I don't think men should be allowed to tell women what to wear. It's fucking annoying how they do that in a lot of cultures and places. Women should be able to tell one another what to wear.
Now, I'm not saying go fucking show off your boobs and ass, then complain about guys sexually harassing you and about rapists.

The biggest thing that pisses me off is that they think covering the women is more important than actually TEACHING the men that women are not sexual objects! No, I am not generalizing all men. I am talking about the men that are bad.

My question is, what do you think is better:
Covering up the women from head to toe and keeping them inside
Or
Teaching the men?


For pervert men , even the covered women is too sexy! And these men u talkin about , they think with their ass and a good example is those fanatic religion ISIS and shiit like themselves. You can't really teach them , they think theyr the men of wisdom! they even shame their own religion.

It depends on situation my dear....:)

[Ridonks_CB]

For pervert men , even the covered women is too sexy! And these men u talkin about , they think with their ass and a good example is those fanatic religion ISIS and shiit like themselves. You can't really teach them , they think theyr the men of wisdom! they even shame their own religion.

It depends on situation my dear....:)

True :/ Extremists ruin the image of many religions

[fairmaiden]

Teach the men. Men shouldn't control what women wear, and women shouldn't control what men wear.

Obviously, we shouldn't go strutting down the street in a thong and a string around our chests, but we shouldn't have our clothing choices controlled by men or the government.

Women should be able to wear shorts, tank tops, strappy heels, etc. if they want to. Men should be able to wear whatever they want to.

If a man can't control himself because he sees a woman wearing a crop top or a skirt, then he should be exiled to a desert island because that's stupid and sick.

Clothes do not determine someone's consent. End of.

[Uniquemind]

Countries that still have women cover up, haven't eliminated sexual assault crimes...therefore their argument doesn't hold up to logic and the 2nd option really is the only viable option for a society to pursue.

The developed world has embraced clothes for females that show skin, but you don't see the causation of revealing clothes translate into an increase in sexual assault or rape.

Those crimes happen when they happen, for various reasons, each context being different but equally terrible and immoral:

1. Drunken party (alcohol might be involved)

2. Marriage rape/assault

3. Predatory assault (stalking, home invasions, cyber crime and sextortion)

The cover up to prevent yourself from being a target of a sex crime argument is ridiculous.

[Ridonks_CB]

Countries that still have women cover up, haven't eliminated sexual assault crimes...therefore their argument doesn't hold up to logic and the 2nd option really is the only viable option for a society to pursue.

The developed world has embraced clothes for females that show skin, but you don't see the causation of revealing clothes translate into an increase in sexual assault or rape.

Those crimes happen when they happen, for various reasons, each context being different but equally terrible and immoral:

1. Drunken party (alcohol might be involved)

2. Marriage rape/assault

3. Predatory assault (stalking, home invasions, cyber crime and sextortion)

The cover up to prevent yourself from being a target of a sex crime argument is ridiculous.

Exactly, which is why it bothers me when people force it upon their girls because it "will protect them from sexual harassment," when the reasons for why some cultures practice this concept is not even for that main reason. And in the religions/cultures I know of, when they tell the women to cover up, it is also mentioned for the man to behave himself - yet that second part is usually ignored!

And since we're dabbling a bit into dress code, some are honestly very ridiculous; I didn't know until recently even kinders need to change their outfits! "Oh my god, a shoulder, I'm getting a boner," said no 5 year old boy ever. It only lowers a girls self-esteem when she thinks she's the reason boys aren't able to concentrate in class, and so thus she must be taken out instead.
Overall, don't go around in just a thong as fairmaiden has said, but the absence of respectful teachings is becoming very harmful especially in young males which they then grow into, becoming more aggressive as they get older. Not that this behaviour hasn't been present in history, but it's 2015, I would expect we would be much better by now :/. It seems like people are instead losing respect and acceptable manners...

Sorry I ramble..

[Uniquemind]

Exactly, which is why it bothers me when people force it upon their girls because it "will protect them from sexual harassment," when the reasons for why some cultures practice this concept is not even for that main reason. And in the religions/cultures I know of, when they tell the women to cover up, it is also mentioned for the man to behave himself - yet that second part is usually ignored!

And since we're dabbling a bit into dress code, some are honestly very ridiculous; I didn't know until recently even kinders need to change their outfits! "Oh my god, a shoulder, I'm getting a boner," said no 5 year old boy ever. It only lowers a girls self-esteem when she thinks she's the reason boys aren't able to concentrate in class, and so thus she must be taken out instead.
Overall, don't go around in just a thong as fairmaiden has said, but the absence of respectful teachings is becoming very harmful especially in young males which they then grow into, becoming more aggressive as they get older. Not that this behaviour hasn't been present in history, but it's 2015, I would expect we would be much better by now :/. It seems like people are instead losing respect and acceptable manners...

Sorry I ramble..

I disagree with gender separation in education environments partly because I think it's not a accurate representation of the real world.

Like both genders need experience socializing with the other gender, otherwise they're in for a shock with their hormones and all. Heck they might be more apt to go wild because "they're free" for lack of a better description.

I also think it's harder to see the opposite gender as an object, if you have friends who are people to you of that gender.


I do want to add though I think socio-economic status of a country, does affect rape crime statistics.

Although rape happens across all socio-economic demographics, I keep reading horrible rape stories from other countries who are kinda like slums where gangs are rampant, and there is even less hope of the crime being reported compared in the developed world.

[Ridonks_CB]

I see your point, I agree. And what's the solution for a woman sexual abuser?? Covering up won't work there.

Maybe, more so in an environment such as the US where showing skin is more common, covering up will allow you to earn less stares and whistles - though as a generalization that it'll keep you 100% safe world wide is absolutely false.

[Uniquemind]

I see your point, I agree. And what's the solution for a woman sexual abuser?? Covering up won't work there.

Maybe, more so in an environment such as the US where showing skin is more common, covering up will allow you to earn less stares and whistles - though as a generalization that it'll keep you 100% safe world wide is absolutely false.

I think the solution is going to be made up for more than one variable. But I'll list off a few.


1. Building and maintaining a country's infrastructure (roads, bridges, public safety, public utilities, and public shelter)

2. Ensuring every household has basic food, shelter, electricity, water, and healthcare.

3. At a young age really teach children empathy and compassion and the importance about communication and consent in everything they do. But also not to shame them for things they choose to do.

4. Having wide access to mental health services for those who harm others because they were messed up in childhood.

5. Teaching self-defense tactics and strategies in Physical Education

6. Teaching and talking to older children and teens about how other people just like them suddenly found themselves a victim of abuse or kidnapping by not only strangers but by people they knew.

You have to tackle the issue through education in the same way society really challenged the Tobacco industry and it's perception among youth.

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Another suggestion, which I have torn opinions on, is to legalize prostitution for those who want sex, but for some reason feel intimacy is unobtainable for them because of various reasons.

There is conflicting reports that societies who allow this, have lower crime statistics, but only when that country/society has other avenues of jobs in other industries so the job of sex work isn't the only path to wages that allow for a high quality life.

But keep in mind sexual assaults have more to do with power than sex, so you have to keep that in mind too.

[Miserabilia]

Men don't tell women what to wear.

People tell women what to wear; that includes other women. The standard of clothing in a society is determined by that society as a whole. It's not a simple matter of one sex controlling another.