Italy rescues nearly 6,000 migrants in a single weekend

[Exocet]

New arrivals, spurred on by warm weather and calm seas, bring the total number of migrants to have entered Italy this year to more than 15,000


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/13/italy-rescues-nearly-6000-migrants-in-a-single-weekend

Why is Italy rescuing them ? It'll just encourage more to come..
The fault lies with the idiots who aren't shipping them back immediately....
Come ! Europe is open ! Just waiting for you !

[Vlerchan]

Why is Italy rescuing them ? It'll just encourage more to come..
Would you rather let 6000 people die?

[Exocet]

Would you rather let 6000 people die?

Do you want to know my PoV ? I really don't care.

[Vlerchan]

Do you want to know my PoV ? I really don't care.
Right. Well, I tend to have a hard time condemning 6000 people to death for most ideals. Given that these people are largely Libyan, and are doing this as a result of the actions of Western governments, I have an even harder time than usual. That doesn't mean I think we should accept them. Islamist organisations have built-up a large presence in Libya and there's a chance we're importing the radicalised. So if we can't renegotiate to resettle them elsewhere in North Africa (somewhere stable), we should ship them back.

Of course, if I was a Libyan immigrant, I'd be suing for amnesty so hard right now.

[Exocet]

Right. Well, I tend to have a hard time condemning 6000 people to death for most ideals. Given that these people are largely Libyan, and are doing this as a result of the actions of Western governments, I have an even harder time than usual. That doesn't mean I think we should accept them. Islamist organisations have built-up a large presence in Libya and there's a chance we're importing the radicalised. So if we can't renegotiate to resettle them elsewhere in North Africa (somewhere stable), we should ship them back.

Of course, if I was a Libyan immigrant, I'd be suing for amnesty so hard right now.


Most of them aren't Libyan themselves,they cross Libya to join the sea,but a small part of them are Libyan. (They are mostly from Somalia,Ethiopa or whatever),and in most cases want to join the UK.

Look what are we receving in our continent ! Nice people ! :)

Italian police: Muslim migrants threw Christians overboard

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/16/europe/italy-migrants-christians-thrown-overboard/

I know that most of them are human beings in search of a new life but there's no better life in here. The economy is down,unemployment is sky high and,last but not least there's a huge culture clash ,they're different people with a different culture-we're just setting up seeds for a conflict.
How can we accept more people when those that are currently here aren't well integrated ?
They should be deported back ,immediately upon arrival. Once they know that they face this perilous journey only to be send back,they'll stop coming.Now,they know that if they set foot in here they'll stay.What the EU is doing is called murder to its real citizens...

[Vlerchan]

Most of them aren't Libyan themselves,they cross Libya to join the sea,but a small part of them are Libyan.
Can I have a source for this? I wasn't aware of that.

Look what are we receving in our continent ! Nice people !

Italian police: Muslim migrants threw Christians overboard.
Guilt by association.

Just because 15 immigrants were willing to do something awful, doesn't make it a norm among immigrants as a whole.

They should be deported back ,immediately upon arrival.
I don't disagree with this, as much as I disagree with letting 6000 people drown.

I thought that was a little out there.

What the EU is doing is called murder to its real citizens...
I also think this is quite hyperbolic.

[fairmaiden]

Right, so you'd just leave 6000 people to drown in the sea?

Why would you want to ship them back immediately? Yes; they are making Europe more populous and some are probably trying to get to the UK, but alot of them have come to have a safer and better life for them and their families.

I'm not exactly fond of politics or anything of the sort but from my understanding; most of them came here because their home countries are war-torn/dangerous. If you and your family were trapped in a hell-hole, would you not want to leave and start a better life?

From what I've heard, some of the immigrants are seriously ill, so it would be quite mean to send those particular people back immediately after they've travelled so far.

I'm not saying that they should immediately become European citizens, but I don't think they should be sent back on arrival.

I get annoyed sometimes when people are so anti-immigrant and treat all immigrants as though they're ''thieves, rude and dirty'' etc. Yes, Britain/Europe can't keep letting everyone in, but that doesn't give you the right to vilify and insult 6000 (mostly) innocent people who have risked their lives to try and give their families and themselves a better lifestyle.

By all means, send them back to a safe and stable area in North Africa like Vlerchan said, but you shouldn't try and insinuate that all of those immigrants are bad people just because of the actions of few.

[thatcountrykid]

Right, so you'd just leave 6000 people to drown in the sea?

Why would you want to ship them back immediately? Yes; they are making Europe more populous and some are probably trying to get to the UK, but alot of them have come to have a safer and better life for them and their families.

I'm not exactly fond of politics or anything of the sort but from my understanding; most of them came here because their home countries are war-torn/dangerous. If you and your family were trapped in a hell-hole, would you not want to leave and start a better life?

From what I've heard, some of the immigrants are seriously ill, so it would be quite mean to send those particular people back immediately after they've travelled so far.

I'm not saying that they should immediately become European citizens, but I don't think they should be sent back on arrival.

I get annoyed sometimes when people are so anti-immigrant and treat all immigrants as though they're ''thieves, rude and dirty'' etc. Yes, Britain/Europe can't keep letting everyone in, but that doesn't give you the right to vilify and insult 6000 (mostly) innocent people who have risked their lives to try and give their families and themselves a better lifestyle.

By all means, send them back to a safe and stable area in North Africa like Vlerchan said, but you shouldn't try and insinuate that all of those immigrants are bad people just because of the actions of few.

It's hard for me to buy the coming for a better life story. If half of Libya went to the uk they'd brjng the same troubles.

[fairmaiden]

It's hard for me to buy the coming for a better life story. If half of Libya went to the uk they'd brjng the same troubles.
What do you mean ''they'd bring the same troubles?''

There are plenty of families who came on that boat, and quite alot of them aren't Libyan and are from other African nations...

[thatcountrykid]

What do you mean ''they'd bring the same troubles?''

There are plenty of families who came on that boat, and quite alot of them aren't Libyan and are from other African nations...

Just an example.

And by bring the same troubles, it's not always the location but the culture

[Vlerchan]

If half of Libya went to the uk they'd brjng the same troubles [...]

[I]t's not always the location but the culture
Libya's how it is in-large as a result of the intervention of the UK (and France and the US).

Before the Arab Spring it was one of the most stables places in Africa.

[Living For Love]

The fault lies with the idiots who aren't shipping them back immediately....
...and with the idiots who keep promoting Europe as a safe haven for every immigrant out there.

[Left Now]

Giving temporary asylum to these people seems more logic than simply shipping them back to Lybia in such a time or leaving them to die.

Just keep and help them for awhile,this doesn't mean intending to keep them forever and turning them into permanent citizens of your countries.

[fairmaiden]

Just an example.

And by bring the same troubles, it's not always the location but the culture
We don't know the motives of everyone on that boat, therefore I suggested that they shouldn't immediately become European citizens.

However, you cannot judge everyone on that boat just because of their ''culture''.

It's most likely that there were people of many different cultures on that boat as alot of them came from different countries/areas, therefore you can't just generalise them and assume that they all share the same culture.

[thatcountrykid]

We don't know the motives of everyone on that boat, therefore I suggested that they shouldn't immediately become European citizens.

However, you cannot judge everyone on that boat just because of their ''culture''.

It's most likely that there were people of many different cultures on that boat as alot of them came from different countries/areas, therefore you can't just generalise them and assume that they all share the same culture.

I'm just explaining my thoughts on that. A culture changing location doesn't change their behavior

[fairmaiden]

I'm just explaining my thoughts on that. A culture changing location doesn't change their behavior
''Their behaviour''? What behaviour do you think they have? Is it really so hard to believe that other humans can be good too?

[Vlerchan]

I'm just explaining my thoughts on that. A culture changing location doesn't change their behavior
There 'behaviour' was a subset of the population wanting a different form of government - democracy - and then being fortunate enough to have NATO intervene to 'liberate' them before disappearing (despite literal pleas - though these have since come back to enforce a no-fly zone) and leaving the democrats to fight it out with the multiple contingents of Islamists (which multiplied as Libya destabilised) and pro-Ghaddafi factionalists. This has wrecked the state.

It's not some grand cultural issues.