Hemp

[Areus]

Being a "Save the trees" type of person, I hate the act of cutting down trees. But I am a hypocrite here, as I use paper and many other tree products regularly. But I think I know the answer: Hemp.

Many are opposed to Hemp, but this is unjustified, seeing as, though Hemp is closely related to Marijuana, it has absolutely no value as a drug whatsoever. So there's no reason not to legalize it, but it still remains illegal in many places. Hemp could be used to make paper out of, and 1 acre of Hemp produces as much paper as 4.6 acres of trees! Added to this is the fact that Hemp grows quickly and in any environment, so think of how many trees could be saved!

Hemp can also be used for many other things, and is even edible, so I really don't understand why it's illegal.

So basically I'm looking for other opinions and points of view, because I could be wrong... (Though for the time being I'm thoroughly steadfast in my beliefs!)

[Mzor203]

Now, a thing to think about on hemp:

Hemp can be from any variety of plants, including marijuana.

Also:

"Since THC and the over 60 other cannabinoids are fat-soluble, i.e., store themselves in the fatty tissues of the brain and body, even a very small amount may be damaging, especially if ingested regularly. Fat-soluble substances accumulate in the body."

From:

http://www.drugwatch.org/Cannabis%20Hemp%20THC.htm

Now, if hemp becomes legal, and it is marijuana hemp, then everyone could start ingesting it like crazy because they know it's legal and think it's for a good reason. This = medical concerns.

Also, drug people could maybe start diguising marijuana using hemp, perhaps. Not sure of it.

So there is no reason to grow marijuana hemp.

"A risk assessment done for Health Canada states that, “New food products and cosmetics made from hemp – the marijuana plant – pose an unacceptable risk to the health of consumers. It also says that hemp products may not be safe because even small amounts of THC may cause developmental problems. “Those most at risk,” the study says, “are children exposed in the womb or through breast milk, or teen-agers whose reproductive systems are developing.”"



"Buffalo, the common dairy animal of Pakistan, are allowed to graze on Cannabis sativa (hemp), which, after absorption, is metabolized into a number of psychoactive agents. These agents are ultimately excreted through the urine and milk, making the milk, used by the people of the region, subject to contamination. Depending on the amount of milk ingested and the degree of contamination, the milk could result in a low to moderate level of chronic exposure to THC and other metabolites, especially among the children raised on this milk. Analysis from the urine obtained from children who were being raised on the milk from these animals, indicated that 29% of them had low levels of THC-COOH (THC-carboxylixc acid, which is a major metabolite for THC) in their urine. This study indicates that the passive consumption of marijuana through milk products is a serious problem in this region where wild marijuana grows unrestricted, and that children are likely to be exposed more than adults.”"

So using it as food for animals? Not so great, perhaps.



The thing is, no matter the drug value, when you put marijuana into a society, something is going to happen.

So I think people just need to get off their butts and start doing something about the tree problem.

[Areus]

Well we've got to do something, so until somebody comes up with another idea, I'm supporting Hemp.

[Mzor203]

Hemp, that which sours cattle's milk and damages the maturement of teenagers? Just think of all the people who chew paper in classrooms!!! Also, having hemp around will make marijuana tests useless since a small amount of hemp in your body makes the test show up positive, which means people would be able to get away with doing pot. Not good.

[Areus]

O.K., I see your point... But do you(or anyone else, for that matter) have any other suggestions for paper alternatives??? I really don't like this whole tree-cutting-down-thing, it bugs me! A LOT!

Hmmmm, but what about Papyrus? That just might work! (If it could be cultivated...)

[*Dissident*]

dude, Mzor...chill out man. Hemp is the male marijuana plant...almost no THC. you can make 25,000 different things from hemp, from textiles to oil and food. No drug value what so ever. Gives you an intense migraine from smoking, would have to cook (just like real marijuana) for the thc to release, and has such a low content, you could not possibly get high anyway. When they say cattle eat cannabis sativa, they mean the real thing, not the hemp plant. and you would have to drink a SHIT TON of milk for even a small effect. And its not dangerous anyway, so who cares? hemp is legal in many states, in most countries, and was grown by George Washington and Ben Franklin.

Also, do some research... I don't think drugwatch.org would be an unbiased source of information on this topic. thc in your fat? dangerous? no it isnt. Why would they allow medical smoking of Marijuana then? the THC is stored in your fat there too. So much DARE bs in kids these days.

[Mzor203]

Even so, there still are dangers. I know there is little drug value in hemp, but still, the thing where the THC shows up in urine samples from eating hemp? Basically makes drug tests useless.

And many people do drink lots of milk. Marijuana used for medical purposes is the same as other painkillers, people can get addicted to it. So it's not
like we should say, here kids, lets eat some painkillers.


And maybe some drug runner will figure out how to pass off marijuana as hemp.

I think we should use hemp from other plants and stay away from marijuana. It would just be less dangerous in all ways.

[0=]

Industrial hemp is less than .3% THC, whereas marijuana is around 20%. That's a lot of hemp to be smoking. Also, what's the value of a THC test, anyway? It's a harmless drug. I'd be more worried about alcohol, tobacco, cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, etc.

[Mzor203]

AAgghahg, I hate it when people call it a harmless drug, because I have seen what it does to people I know, and no, it is frickin not harmless AT ALL!

[*Dissident*]

I think I would know dude. Seriously, I know a LOT of people, including myself, who smoke the ganja...they are fine. It has been proven and proven and proven to freaking hell that its not physically addictive...Just as easy to get addicted to TV or eating cake as it is marijuana. Marijuana doesnt ruin lives... people who hate marijuana do.

[Mzor203]

I am sorry that you believe that, but the thing is that it takes a while for marijuana to work its business, and when it does, you will never be the same person. I know, I've seen...

[Dolphus Raymond]

Honest question, Mzor:

Do you have any reason to believe that the average recreational marijuana user is any more damaged by marijuana than the average user of alcohol during Prohibition?

(If you see what I'm getting at)

[Mzor203]

Making marijuana legal isn't going to help anything. Just look at Amsterdam. Just as much crime, more druggies. And, though alcohol may be bad, it still isn't quite as bad as marijuana. Drinking a cup is going to do a lot less damage than smoking a joint.

[japanman]

We could carve it into wood or since we have better technology why not tape recorders or mabye something else but im ok with paper but hey i bet some one could invent a alternative

Wow lol even my own thoughts dont make sense to me :lol:

[Mzor203]

I am sorry, but I didn't understand that one bit. What exactly are you trying to say? Yes, hemp is a good paper alternative, but not the hemp from marijuana!!!! I'm saying, no marijuana whatsoever, but grow other plants for hemp seeing as there are other alternatives.

[theOperaGhost]

Industrial hemp has been a big issue in North Dakota. Industrial hemp is harmless and makes so many good thing, like paper, cloths, rope, the possibilities for it are great. I'm not actually sure if it is legal in North Dakota to grow it, but there are a lot of farmers that do. I think the have to get government approval before they can, so it is legal, you just have to have permission.

[Mzor203]

Yes, there are many places where it is currently legal. That still doesn't mean we should stay away from hemp de marijuana. Probably soon paper won't be as big of an issue due to the internet.

Also the other thing to think about is that there are thngs that wood can make that hemp can't. Hemp can't make houses. So people just need to figure out how to regulate their foresting a little bit.

[*Dissident*]

Your view on marijuana is so skewed, I don't think arguing on the internet will help. For one, amsterdam is almost free of violent crime. And how could you say alcohol isnt as bad as weed? seriously dude? there are millions of alcoholic wife beaters and drunk drivers. man, I give up. believe what you want to.

[Prince Jellyfish]

Marijuana should be legalized. End of story.

[The Batman]

If hemp was made into paper some jackass out there will try to eat the paper to get high seriously. But yea they should use other products to help save the trees.

[japanman]

K i edited my post to make since but uh ya it might not make since lol sry if ya cant understand it.

[serial-thrilla]

alcohol isn't quite as bad as marijuana. Drinking a cup is going to do a lot less damage than smoking a joint.
...... wow, if you really believe that.... just wow.

[Prince Jellyfish]

...... wow, if you really believe that.... just wow.

Yeah, let's just totally disregard our livers and other vital organs.

[Techno Monster]

Aren`t Hemp and weed the same thing?

[Mzor203]

No, they aren't hemp from marijuana is from the male plant, which has much less THC and therefore no value as a drug. But there are still problems with it. And I say all the bad things about marijuana because, as I have said, I have seen the effects they have on people after a while, and let me tell you, it is NOT pretty.

And about the liver, one cup of alcohol every once in a while actually does nothing. Lots does, but not like a cup a week.

[*Dissident*]

and a joint a week does nothing either. or a joint a day...or 2 or 3 or whatever. Marijuana has no permanent effects by itself. getting arrested though...

And if you want to say that marijuana makes you lazy and fail at school, so do computer games like wow, and in my experience, it was MUCH easier to quit smoking mary jane than quitting logging on to WoW.

[Techno Monster]

I know people who smoke weed, and they are not pretty to look at TRUST ME.

[Nihilus]

Not a bad idea but can hemp be marajuana

[Mzor203]

and a joint a week does nothing either. or a joint a day...or 2 or 3 or whatever. Marijuana has no permanent effects by itself. getting arrested though...

And if you want to say that marijuana makes you lazy and fail at school, so do computer games like wow, and in my experience, it was MUCH easier to quit smoking mary jane than quitting logging on to WoW.

The ignorance is killing me. That is the lamest shit I have ever heard.
If you are mentally addicted to pot, and you have no way of getting to some, you could go crazy. If the Wow servers were down for a couple of days, you're not going to do anything like that.

[*Dissident*]

Dude, lets just stop this crap. Neither of us are going to budge on this issue.

[Mzor203]

Fine, it's just the only reason I'm so against it is because I actually know what it does. I know the truth, I have seen it first hand, but if you want to, we can stop. Because no matter what another says, I know I am right. I have seen.

[Areus]

I personally think that Hemp should be legalized, but NOT Marijuana. And I agree with Mzor, Marijuana is very harmful, and addictive, much more so than WOW. But it's not drugs I'm worried about, it's the whole tree problem, so if people could just become more sensible about this stuff and not smoke drugs in the first place, a lot of trees could be saved. So, all in all, I am a staunch supporter of Hemp.

[0=]

I am sorry, but I didn't understand that one bit. What exactly are you trying to say? Yes, hemp is a good paper alternative, but not the hemp from marijuana!!!! I'm saying, no marijuana whatsoever, but grow other plants for hemp seeing as there are other alternatives.

Yes, there are many places where it is currently legal. That still doesn't mean we should stay away from hemp de marijuana. Probably soon paper won't be as big of an issue due to the internet.

Also the other thing to think about is that there are thngs that wood can make that hemp can't. Hemp can't make houses. So people just need to figure out how to regulate their foresting a little bit.

If hemp was made into paper some jackass out there will try to eat the paper to get high seriously. But yea they should use other products to help save the trees.

You're both very uninformed obviously. There is no such thing as hemp that is not cannabis. Not all cannabis is marijuana, though. Marijuana is cannabis that is high in delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol(THC). Hemp is a cousin of marijuana that contains .3% or less THC. Marijuana legalization is an entirely different issue because they're two different plants. Hemp has many manufacturing uses and is very healthy to consume. Hemp-seed oil is more than three times better for you than extra virgin olive oil. Now I could also argue the medical uses of its cousin marijuana, but that's another topic because they're entirely different plants.

On the deforestation concern: yes, hemp could reduce deforestation by 35% if all paper were made from hemp. It also produces much more fiber than cotton per acre. It's very healthy to consume, too. Hemp is what you might call a "miracle food".

http://www.wcranchohemp.com/hemp_files/aachart.gif

Also, for comparison:

Industrial Hemp

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Industrialhemp2.jpg

Marijuana

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Cannabis_sativus_plant.jpg/450px-Cannabis_sativus_plant.jpg

[Mzor203]

Yes, xactly. Hemp from other plants, plus using the internet to convey information more often will take care a lot of the tree problems.

[IfPiratesCouldFly]

Correct me if I'm wrong...But aren't trees a renewable resource?

[0=]

Not most. A few types grow back quickly, but most don't, and it still causes mass destruction to habitat. The rainforest never grows back, which is why it should never be damaged. Hemp is much cheaper for use in paper, anyway.

[*Dissident*]

Mzor, your argument against cannabis hemp was that it would be used as a drug... "other plants" for hemp isn't really true, its all technically cannabis. I dont know whether its still cannabis sativa or not, but anyway...=O it right, legalizing marijuana is for another topic.

[Prince Jellyfish]

I know people who smoke weed, and they are not pretty to look at TRUST ME.

Are you kidding me? I'm currently in love with a girl that's a huge pot head and has been for years! She's completely gorgeous, if not a little off in the head. Trust me, if you saw her you'd cream your pants.

[*Dissident*]

definitely. Most people I know who smoke pot are really chill, which is what I look for before beauty anyway, and most of them are pretty too.

[Techno Monster]

ok then maybe this guy is natrally ugly then.

[Prince Jellyfish]

ok then maybe this guy is natrally ugly then.

Unfortunately, a lot of people are. =[

[The Batman]

What does it have to with hemp?

[MoveAlong]

Hmmmm, but what about Papyrus? That just might work! (If it could be cultivated...)

I know nothing of hemp, but I looked up papyrus and wikipedia said...

Papyrus had the advantage of being relatively cheap and easy to produce, but it was fragile and susceptible to both moisture and excessive dryness. Unless the papyrus was of good quality, the writing surface was irregular, and the range of media that could be used was also limited.

so basically it's made for desert climates and many other places that are wetlands or rainforests or other places with high humidity may ruin papyrus.

It's a good idea though, I just suggest saving every piece of paper you can and use it for scratch paper...we use a lot of scratch paper