Hillary Clinton

[Danny_boi 16]

Hillary Clinton is now a candidate for President of the United States. I identify as a Democrat, and I really want her to win, but I know a lot of people don't. So, to learn some of the opposite view point, I have some questions for you.
https://youtu.be/0uY7gLZDmn4

1. I know that there are some Democrats that don't like her. I want to ask you why?
2. Conservatives, why don't you like Mrs. Clinton? I mean in terms of actual policy and not conspiracy.
3. And to my outside US VT friends, what do you think of Mrs. Clinton? Will see be a good or detrimental force in US foreign policy towards your country?

[phuckphace]

I do think she's got a very high chance of winning. Clinton is a well-known (some might say notorious) figure in politics, is lavender-married to Prez Bill "NAFTA & Housing Bubble" Clinton, and will probably pull off a better pseudo-populist campaign than whichever bumbling moron the GOP puts up.

that said I obviously don't care for her politics mainly because she's a pseudo-socialist who will maintain the neoliberal status quo helped along by Billy Bob (NAFTA). if there's a vacancy in SCOTUS you can be assured she'll appoint some ex-bureaucrat-lobbyist-donor-friend who will keep the courts packed wall to wall with wallabies for years to come.

[thatcountrykid]

Well considering she left four Americans to die and tried to cover it up there's one reason.

Her us of a private computer and email for official government business is another.

[Vlerchan]

Same, old, same old, and I don't support the old.

Foreign policy wise, she's more likely than Obama, but less likely than her given Republican counterpart, to do something stupid in the Ukraine or the Middle East.

[Ridonks_CB]

She's just another US figure that will be controlled by AIPAC :-/

[Danny_boi 16]

I do think she's got a very high chance of winning. Clinton is a well-known (some might say notorious) figure in politics, is lavender-married to Prez Bill "NAFTA & Housing Bubble" Clinton, and will probably pull off a better pseudo-populist campaign than whichever bumbling moron the GOP puts up.

that said I obviously don't care for her politics mainly because she's a pseudo-socialist who will maintain the neoliberal status quo helped along by Billy Bob (NAFTA). if there's a vacancy in SCOTUS you can be assured she'll appoint some ex-bureaucrat-lobbyist-donor-friend who will keep the courts packed wall to wall with wallabies for years to come.

I think people know that she isn't a true progressive. I'm fine with that. Her politics is left- center which I enjoy. Right now the Dems are facing a party civil war like the republicans. But I think she can BS the base enough to make a different. I mean, people know she is a Clinton Democrat which is an old form of Democrat (Socially semi-conservative and Fiscal liberal). I don't mined this at all.

Well considering she left four Americans to die and tried to cover it up there's one reason.

Her us of a private computer and email for official government business is another.
First reason isn't technically nor legally her fault. Politically... possibly (It could be debated). Morally her fault, I guess.

As for the second one, I don'e see the big deal with it. Secy. Rice, VP. Cheney, and Gen. Powell all did the same thing.

[SethfromMI]

She's just another US figure that will be controlled by AIPAC :-/

more likely the Illuminati

[thatcountrykid]

I think people know that she isn't a true progressive. I'm fine with that. Her politics is left- center which I enjoy. Right now the Dems are facing a party civil war like the republicans. But I think she can BS the base enough to make a different. I mean, people know she is a Clinton Democrat which is an old form of Democrat (Socially semi-conservative and Fiscal liberal). I don't mined this at all.


First reason isn't technically nor legally her fault. Politically... possibly (It could be debated). Morally her fault, I guess.

As for the second one, I don'e see the big deal with it. Secy. Rice, VP. Cheney, and Gen. Powell all did the same thing.

And they shouldn't have either. It's an extreme risk

[Atom]

I believe that for US to function well they need to switch between blue and red parties. There are no good republican candidates as of right now however.

[thatcountrykid]

I believe that for US to function well they need to switch between blue and red parties. There are no good republican candidates as of right now however.

I wouldn't say any candidate is good for us right now

[Lovelife090994]

I wouldn't say any candidate is good for us right now

For once I actually agree with you.

[HUSTLEMAN]

For once I actually agree with you.

I wouldn't say any candidate is good for us right now


I am curious to which why you guys feel that way.

To the OP; I am a Democrat though I feel that I'm leaning more to the right on some issues but anyways I feel as though Clinton will not become President. As much as that would be a historic moment for us I just have this gut feeling that its not going to happen. Her creditability is just being shot down by so many random-ass situations such as the e-mail scandal and her actions during the Benghazi situation while she was SoS. That and to be honest she's just not as likable as Obama was or even some of the Republican candidates such as Rand Paul. Her time was 2008 and now I'm just not feeling her.

[thatcountrykid]

I am curious to which why you guys feel that way.

To the OP; I am a Democrat though I feel that I'm leaning more to the right on some issues but anyways I feel as though Clinton will not become President. As much as that would be a historic moment for us I just have this gut feeling that its not going to happen. Her creditability is just being shot down by so many random-ass situations such as the e-mail scandal and her actions during the Benghazi situation while she was SoS. That and to be honest she's just not as likable as Obama was or even some of the Republican candidates such as Rand Paul. Her time was 2008 and now I'm just not feeling her.

A leader who is ready to go to the ends of the earth and fight wars to avenge American lives is what we need and we haven't had one in a long time. I'm sick of all the pansie "leaders" who are more concerned with appeasement.

We used to fight wars and create laws for morale reasons. We didn't back down

[Babs]

We used to fight wars and create laws for morale reasons. We didn't back down

Was that before or after the billions of dollars of debt?
War isn't always the answer.

[thatcountrykid]

Was that before or after the billions of dollars of debt?
War isn't always the answer.

Depends. I'd say them murdering three thousand civilians is a good reason for war. Or them trying to conquer the world.

[Babs]

Depends. I'd say them murdering three thousand civilians is a good reason for war. Or them trying to conquer the world.

"Them" being Al Qaeda, I'm guessing?
I do understand retaliation after that, but at what point does it end? 80% of the people killed in the Afghanistan and Iraq wars were harmless civilians.
If America's first priority is war and domination, then this is a damn shitty country.

[ImCoolBeans]

I don't love Hillary Clinton, but think she would be a better president than pretty much anyone else who has announced that they are running. This will be a very controversial campaign, and will likely be filled with a ton of slander and bullshit on both sides, but that's politics for ya. I think she'll win, no matter what anybody has to say. The republican party is way too divided and more or less every democrat I know is voting for Hillary.

[Atom]

I think she'll win, no matter what anybody has to say.
I think that there are no good candidates as of right now. I think if Romney comes back he'll have a very high potential of winning, because they basically had a toe-to-toe run with Obama, and everybody hates Obama now. Hillary wasn't good enough before - won't be good enough now. Plus it feels to me that people got "burned" by Obama so now they are not so trustworthy of democrats.
The republican party is way too divided...
Yea, if they won't have a good candidate by the time of the election then there is no chance for them.
...and more or less every democrat I know is voting for Hillary.
I don't think that she is that popular even amongst democrats. Devoted democrats will vote for her because they'll have no choice (I kinda hope that she won't be the only candidate though.)
But we may see a lesser rate of attendance on the behalf of democrats, I think.

I'm not from the US, however, so my thoughts are not first hand, but this is my understanding of the situation.

[sunnieseason]

She's so creepy. She's clearly a sociopath that has a problem telling the truth. She lies so openly about things that it's almost shocking how she gets away with it...not to mention that she's married to a man who is a womanizer, a lier, and an accused rapist. She's not much of a feminist icon.

[Vlerchan]

This will be a very controversial campaign, and will likely be filled with a ton of slander and bullshit on both sides, but that's politics for ya.
Not necessarily. On the contrary the prevalence of this in the US can be broken down to a number of factors.

The US has a first-past the post system, which is dominated by two parties. Presuming a normal Gaussian distribution in terms of political opinion (and this is what tends to occur) your best bet is to target the median voter. This results in the Republicans and Democrats attempting to be as centred as possible, because the most centred will collect the most votes. This results in their near-identical ideological stances (tending towards the most centrist), which more or less just leaves room for derision (i.e., Clinton's a liar, sociopath, Bill's an asshole, etc.).

In the long-run you'll see shifts in the median voter, and the goal of political coalitions like the Republicans and Democrats is to force favourable shifts, but in general - unless there's some sort of shock garnering a grassroots response: consider the Tea Party post-Great Recession -, you're left with elections characterised by the most disgusting sort of political flagwaving.

[Stronk Serb]

About politicians in general, politicians lie and make false promises for power, glory and fortune. They are all same shit with a different label on their forehead. The only guys who do it for their ideals are those yahoos at the Knights' Party. We in Serbia have our share ofclerofascists.

[Syrum]

She makes me think of reset button with Lavrov. It was supposed to say "Reset" in Russian, it said, "Overcharge." I think she will do bad on foreign policy. But, I do not know much.

[KingLiam]

I like her I always thought that the clintons were really good not just as leaders but when together they become even more powerful

[Abyssal Echo]

I don't like Hillary Clinton because she is your typical old school lying corrupt politician that says one thing does another.
She's been apart of so many scandals (http://www.mrctv.org/blog/10-scandals-involving-hillary-clinton-you-may-have-forgotten) going back to Watergate where she was fired for unethical practices (http://godfatherpolitics.com/21755)
Says she's for women's rights but has taken millions in donations from countries that are against woman's rights.

more or less every democrat I know is voting for Hillary.

I hope that your friends are basing their decision to vote for Hillary on solid reasoning instead of the reasons that these University of Washington students are. http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=6452