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Vermilion
March 27th, 2015, 09:17 AM
So I'm from the UK so if I need health care I get it free on the NHS or I could go private if I wanted /had the money. I think in the UK we have a good health care system, yes waiting times are long, however the care is normally good.
My question is where are you from , what health care system do you have and are you happy with it ?
SAO Pokemon Hunter
March 27th, 2015, 10:16 AM
I'm from Wales, UK and I'm the same as you, NHS, and yeah I'm happy with it but I'm also not happy with it, I think it shouldn't stop at the age of 18 but at the age of 21 as people start going to uni and don't have a lot of money to pay for things if they have to switch doctors and dentists, so it gives them a few years to save up and pay for the support. Imo!
Vermilion
March 27th, 2015, 10:31 AM
Yeah I get what your saying I think it should depend on your income.
Babs
March 27th, 2015, 11:19 AM
In the US, you have to pay for health insurance and if you can't afford that and you get sick or injured, you have to pay your medical bills all on your own. I think this is a shitty and inhumane system and I would like the US to have universal healthcare one day.
I went without health insurance my entire life until a few months ago. I'm pretty damn lucky neither me or my siblings never got gravely injured or sick before our insurance, though we did have health issues we just had to live with. There are people who are dying and can't get treatment.
Vermilion
March 27th, 2015, 11:59 AM
In the US, you have to pay for health insurance and if you can't afford that and you get sick or injured, you have to pay your medical bills all on your own. I think this is a shitty and inhumane system and I would like the US to have universal healthcare one day.
I went without health insurance my entire life until a few months ago. I'm pretty damn lucky neither me or my siblings never got gravely injured or sick before our insurance, though we did have health issues we just had to live with. There are people who are dying and can't get treatment.
I'd like to see every country with its own universal health care. However I do like the idea of private health care. That way the system doesn't get abused by people not paying into the system like in the UK with the nhs. The British tax payer pays for the nhs but other people abuse the free care.
Stronk Serb
March 27th, 2015, 03:18 PM
Technically, every working person in Serbia has free healthcare, their children and spouse included if not working. The waiting is pretty long unless it's something life threatening.
fairmaiden
March 29th, 2015, 02:13 PM
I live in the UK and I use the NHS. Very grateful :)
I read a story about a man in the US with lung cancer who is choosing to die instead of get treatment because he doesn't want to burden his family with massive debt from medical bills :/ I wish all countries had free health care.
Vermilion
March 29th, 2015, 02:25 PM
Thanks everyone who has replied
TheBigUnit
March 29th, 2015, 02:28 PM
If you have a good job and can afford health insurance, the american health system is the way to go (doctors get paid more and hospitals for the most part are better kept) but i believe something like Obamacare should be there like a safety net, the nhs is amazing but has limitations because of the amount of people it has to care for
Vermilion
March 29th, 2015, 02:35 PM
If you have a good job and can afford health insurance, the american health system is the way to go (doctors get paid more and hospitals for the most part are better kept) but i believe something like Obamacare should be there like a safety net, the nhs is amazing but has limitations because of the amount of people it has to care for
I'd like to see it like you said in the UK with it being private but the nhs as a safety net. The only thing I'd like to add would be meds are still free up till the age of 21 compared to 18 at the minute in the UK.
Vlerchan
March 29th, 2015, 02:55 PM
I'd be most supportive of something similar to what Canada has.
I'd like to see it like you said in the UK with it being private but the nhs as a safety net.
This is what there was in Ireland.
What happened was the government made a deliberate effort to make the public system as awful as politically possible so people would still use the private system.
Vermilion
March 29th, 2015, 03:00 PM
I'd be most supportive of something similar to what Canada has.
This is what there was in Ireland.
What happened was the government made a deliberate effort to make the public system as awful as politically possible so people would still use the private system.
What does Canada have ?
Vlerchan
March 29th, 2015, 03:02 PM
What does Canada have ?
It has private hospitals which are free at the point of service.
Government acts as an insurer and uses its economies of scale to ensure for the best deals possible.
Vermilion
March 29th, 2015, 03:05 PM
Yeah that sounds good
That's the Spirit
March 29th, 2015, 04:41 PM
I live in the UK and I use the NHS. Very grateful :)
I read a story about a man in the US with lung cancer who is choosing to die instead of get treatment because he doesn't want to burden his family with massive debt from medical bills :/ I wish all countries had free health care.
Was he also a chemistry teacher turned Meth manufacturer?
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The one thing I dislike is that non-essential requests are accepted; I remember reading a few months ago one or two people were denied treatment for a condition that made them look older than they were, which hurt their confidence greatly. This is whilst the boob job woman (Josie Cunningham (cancer of England)) got a free boob job on the NHS then went on to brag about it. So essentially the tax payer is paying for these kinds of things... no thanks.
SethfromMI
March 29th, 2015, 04:44 PM
it is no easy answer to be sure. some people who have none should get something, but there are some things people get which others should not be responsible for having to pay for. I do not know if anyone would ever be satisfied, but a better system could def be put into place
fairmaiden
March 30th, 2015, 07:51 AM
Was he also a chemistry teacher turned Meth manufacturer?
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The one thing I dislike is that non-essential requests are accepted; I remember reading a few months ago one or two people were denied treatment for a condition that made them look older than they were, which hurt their confidence greatly. This is whilst the boob job woman (Josie Cunningham (cancer of England)) got a free boob job on the NHS then went on to brag about it. So essentially the tax payer is paying for these kinds of things... no thanks.
Busted. Oh and also there was a tv show about why and how Josie Cunningham gets so much attention and apparently it's all to do with her ''manager'' coaching her to post stupid/provoking tweets which cause public outcry. I think she's stupid because she's putting her family in danger just for the sake of ''fame''.
Uranus
March 30th, 2015, 08:09 AM
In the US, you have to pay for health insurance and if you can't afford that and you get sick or injured, you have to pay your medical bills all on your own. I think this is a shitty and inhumane system and I would like the US to have universal healthcare one day.
I went without health insurance my entire life until a few months ago. I'm pretty damn lucky neither me or my siblings never got gravely injured or sick before our insurance, though we did have health issues we just had to live with. There are people who are dying and can't get treatment.
This is what really messes up alot of people in the Usa. Forcing innocent and good people to either pay alot of money for health insurance, or just be helpless. What has happened to America?
phuckphace
March 30th, 2015, 08:43 AM
The one thing I dislike is that non-essential requests are accepted; I remember reading a few months ago one or two people were denied treatment for a condition that made them look older than they were, which hurt their confidence greatly. This is whilst the boob job woman (Josie Cunningham (cancer of England)) got a free boob job on the NHS then went on to brag about it. So essentially the tax payer is paying for these kinds of things... no thanks.
yeah this is complete bullshit, I agree. essential, basic and emergency care are all that ought to be paid for by the state, cosmetic procedures like plastic surgery and liposuction no way. free lipo would be especially egregious considering that it's an expensive surgical procedure and completely unnecessary when you could always just not stuff your face with unhealthy crap.
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I live in the US so take a wild guess what our healthcare is like.
I'd set up something like the NHS except it'll be 100% national without so much as a smidgen of capitalism to be seen anywhere (no gift shops!) and staffed only by natural born citizens who attended medical school in the US (also national and also free, I hope). I'd also create a fleet of clinics on wheels to service the rural areas like the Appalachians and the southwest.
it would completely replace employer-funded health insurance and Medicare, and unlike the latter everyone would have access to it and you wouldn't be charged $200 to get a mouth swab and some Cefalexin (been there done that, joke's on them 'cause the bill got filed in the round basket lmao)
thatcountrykid
April 3rd, 2015, 01:42 PM
In the US, you have to pay for health insurance and if you can't afford that and you get sick or injured, you have to pay your medical bills all on your own. I think this is a shitty and inhumane system and I would like the US to have universal healthcare one day.
I went without health insurance my entire life until a few months ago. I'm pretty damn lucky neither me or my siblings never got gravely injured or sick before our insurance, though we did have health issues we just had to live with. There are people who are dying and can't get treatment.
I'm sorry but it's injumane that you have to pay for your own stuff and it's not handed to you?
Vlerchan
April 3rd, 2015, 01:44 PM
I'm sorry but it's injumane that you have to pay for your own stuff and it's not handed to you?
How much is human life worth to you?
jordanhardy
April 3rd, 2015, 01:47 PM
The NHS is famous worldwide for being one of the best health care organisations in the world. People moan here in the UK about what we have, however we are extremely lucky to have the NHS. It's not the service itself which is causing the problems its currently facing, it's the huge budget cuts and privatisation in certain areas of the service caused by the government.
NickTheStar
April 3rd, 2015, 01:47 PM
Considering there's 7 billion humans about a american dollar
phuckphace
April 3rd, 2015, 06:07 PM
I'm sorry but it's injumane that you have to pay for your own stuff and it's not handed to you?
lmao
the problem is that a lot of people can't afford to "pay for their own stuff" when it comes to healthcare because it's absurdly expensive for specific reasons that aren't good. I'm sure you'll have an eye-roller for us here about the importance of pulling oneself up by his bootstraps and workin' hard for everything you got so a $30,000 hospital bill every year ain't nothin'
but even if we follow the pseudocon recommendation and do nothing about many American's lack of access to healthcare, we're still paying those costs regardless.
Babs
April 4th, 2015, 09:37 AM
I'm sorry but it's injumane that you have to pay for your own stuff and it's not handed to you?
There's a difference between material objects and somebody's life. You can't put a price on somebody's life.
Abhorrence
April 4th, 2015, 10:18 AM
I love and hate the NHS. I am extremely appreciative that it is all free and we're not in a position like America is but then the waiting lists are so bad and their mental healthcare is fricking awful.
dirtyboxer55
April 4th, 2015, 08:14 PM
There's a difference between material objects and somebody's life. You can't put a price on somebody's life.
actually the epa values a human life at 9.1 million dollars
Danny_boi 16
April 4th, 2015, 08:51 PM
So I'm from the UK so if I need health care I get it free on the NHS or I could go private if I wanted /had the money. I think in the UK we have a good health care system, yes waiting times are long, however the care is normally good.
My question is where are you from , what health care system do you have and are you happy with it ?
I'm in the US. We have near quasi-universal health care. If you have serious injury you may go to the ER and they can repair you for free. With Medicare and Medicaid the old and the poor receive discounts on medicine and treatment at hospitals. Now under the Affordable Care Act, state and federal exchanges were created to people can but private insurance. But there are also subsides for the poor in case their health insurance policy isn't enough. But those individuals have to meet a clear prerequisite. I wish we had universal health care like the NHS or Canada. But oh well, conservatives don't like change.
Vlerchan
April 5th, 2015, 10:07 AM
If you have serious injury you may go to the ER and they can repair you for free.
As far as I am aware you get charged for attending the ER in the US.
actually the epa values a human life at 9.1 million dollars
The EPA derived this value from asking people how much they would be willing to pay in order to avoid a minute risk of death - and then manipulating that response in order to determine the value of a life. I would imagine if you asked the same people how much they would be willing to pay to not die the value would be much higher, tending towards an infinite value.
Left Now
April 5th, 2015, 01:51 PM
Well,here in Iran there are two types of Medical Service and Health Care centers.Private and General.General medical service is good enough,but you know they usually do not work as well as they ought to.
Recently (I mean it's about three years right now) they also have appointed some General Doctors as Family Doctors of Iranian Families too,but still it has a long way to go.
Private medical service...well,they work as good as they are paid.But you know what?There is something gross about many of them.They won't treat you unless they are paid.It means even if you were going to die and it was urgent,still money is the first thing which they think and care about.
Danny_boi 16
April 5th, 2015, 06:46 PM
As far as I am aware you get charged for attending the ER in the US.
I'm sorry, I should have said serious and life threatening injury.
Cloud_Strife
April 5th, 2015, 10:25 PM
From Oz! We have Medicare cover, so it's similar to the UK!
Canadian Dream
April 9th, 2015, 12:39 PM
I'd be most supportive of something similar to what Canada has.
I'm also pretty supportive of our healthcare system, and I'm honestly pissed when people complain about the waiting times cause when you compare it to the US... yeah. The problem is that our government has started to reduce healthcare spendings and has a plan to privatize healthcare, which I am not looking forward to. That's why our conservative government needs to go... anyways I'm getting into politics so I'll just stop there:P.
Miserabilia
April 10th, 2015, 02:30 AM
Netherlands, mainly social health care system. I'm glad for that because it makes treatment available. yes, state pays a lot for healthcare but it's still managable and it's still better for people to get the treatment they deserve even if they don't have the money for it.
Stronk Serb
April 11th, 2015, 05:11 PM
I'm sorry, I should have said serious and life threatening injury.
Still, people in the US die from a lack of healthcare. I've read somewhere that one third of the population can't afford basic medical attention. To be honest, if the only way to get medical attention was to get shot, fall off a cliff or get ran over, I would buy a gun just for that. Medicine is about healing everybody, not just those who can pay.
Danny_boi 16
April 12th, 2015, 09:56 PM
Still, people in the US die from a lack of healthcare. I've read somewhere that one third of the population can't afford basic medical attention. To be honest, if the only way to get medical attention was to get shot, fall off a cliff or get ran over, I would buy a gun just for that. Medicine is about healing everybody, not just those who can pay.
I absolutely agree, that's why I believe that the United States should have universal health care like UK or Canada.
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