Racism

[jayjay's toocool]

Racism.... I was wondering if anyone still thinks it's around. Stories on why and why not... Go

[Professional Russian]

Racism is and always will be around. Its impossible for all humans to see each other as equal let alone like each other. Everyone's got to be better than the next

[Vermilion]

Yes and it will never go away it's not just black and white, it's black on black , white on white, muslim on muslim , Christian on Christian ect. I'm not trying to be racist by saying names /colours/religion what I'm trying to say is as long as there are differences no matter how small people will pick on you for them.

[Cognizant]

I agree with Professional Russian. It's just an issue with society that really won't go away until people are more open to the idea that White Privilege does exist and we need to stop it.

[Uranus]

Racism is and always will be around. Its impossible for all humans to see each other as equal let alone like each other. Everyone's got to be better than the next

Unfortunately, this is how it is, and always will be. It's sad to see our generation(s) so corrupt.

[Melkor]

Racism.... I was wondering if anyone still thinks it's around. Stories on why and why not... Go
Racism will exist as long as difference exists and people no matter what they say will be to an extent racist. There is always that slight prejudice.

[Dortmund]

Racism is and always will be around until the end of time. Simply because a certain colour/ race/ religion will always been seen as inferior by another.

We live in a world lacking of acceptance and a want to be equal with one another.

[tasminsmith]

racism won't ever go away, loads of my friends at school are racist towards each other

[thatcountrykid]

Of course racism is around however I don't think it's as common as believed or as serious. It's a two way street and people pull the race card all the damn time. There's a difference between a joke and actual hate/ going to far and people need to figure it out.

We are creating a society of victims.

[SethfromMI]

of course it is still around. it is sad. how someone can hate another over skin color is baffling to me. but sadly it does exist. it is worse in some places than others, but yea.

[dirtyboxer55]

I agree with Professional Russian. It's just an issue with society that really won't go away until people are more open to the idea that White Privilege does exist and we need to stop it.

i disagree, i dont think anyone should try and stop "white privilege", we should try and destroy segregation. but there will always be segregation to some degree since most people tend to want to be around their own kind

[deadpie]

We are creating a society of victims.

We are also living in a society that shames victims and forces them to believe that suicide is their only option in life. Not everything is a joke. What may be a joke to you could rip someone else to shreds. Like saying the word faggot but also saying it means stupid, not gay, or saying nigga as in friend or bro, not as in nigger. It may be a joke to you because you're not affected by it. Truth be told straight white people don't even realize the privileges they have. Some white people will pretend they're under attack like they're some segregated minority when the use of 'white privilege' comes up. People are afraid to admit that yes, some people DO have it worse and ARE treated like shit. People are also afraid to be empathetic towards others and care, because it's too much work, because they think it shows weakness, because it doesn't sell a product.

You want to know some shit? There's only one race. The labels - white, black, Asian, Mexican, et al.. They don't mean anything. We made those up. we made up the idea of racism too. All of this was done to fit our own needs and categorize people easier. Yes, racism in society has become less of a problem, but racism in the social institutions has always existed and is still alive today. And I'm sure you're for that, because in your signature you proudly support Darren Wilson. Isn't that great? Memorials for african american teenagers get demolished and people like him are sent money by the Tea Party and organizations such as the NRA. The NRA proudly supported Zimmerman, who beats and tries to kill his girlfriend after getting away with killing a kid. What a hero though!! Cops proudly wear "I can breathe" t shirts, because it's just a joke, right? It's not racist at all! They do what they have to do! Come on come on, respect authority, do what they say and everything will be ok!

http://www.liberalamerica.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/10351652_10203513508503664_5193344745071866047_n.jpg

IT'S JUST A JOKE GUYS COME ON!!!!

[Emerald Dream]

The White Padded Room :arrow: Ramblings of the Wise

This is going to turn into a debate, if it hasn't already.

[phuckphace]

We are also living in a society that shames victims and forces them to believe that suicide is their only option in life.

discerning right-wingers such as myself don't shame actual victims, that would be tasteless. we do however rather enjoy shaming people who consider themselves victims because somebody once looked at them funny and demand a safe space where they can suck their thumbs and not be criticized.

it does rather annoy me that the Left currently has a monopoly on women's issues, which is ironic because no women are actually being helped by them spending all their time blogging about the male gaze and the pay gap. conservatism has its own set of safeguards for the protection of women, but hardly anyone talks about it because that's something "only liburulz care about what are ya some kinda femnist?!"

Not everything is a joke. What may be a joke to you could rip someone else to shreds. Like saying the word faggot but also saying it means stupid, not gay, or saying nigga as in friend or bro, not as in nigger. It may be a joke to you because you're not affected by it.

:lol3: muh feelings!

<-- literal faggot here. people these days are so childish it boggles the mind, and I say that as a teenager. it's like, you cannot say anything without offending or triggering or othering someone. it's beyond ridiculous how easily offense is taken and how much people care. I think y'all need to grow up, tbh.

Truth be told straight white people don't even realize the privileges they have.

oh boy, here we go!

Some white people will pretend they're under attack like they're some segregated minority when the use of 'white privilege' comes up.

probably because the 'white privilege' myth is BS.

while it is true that some white people can enjoy some extra privileges in certain situations, you've truncated the part where it also works in the inverse: minorities can also enjoy their own specific privileges in other situations.

it's also mostly about the money. a rich white guy gets treated well mainly because he's rich, not because he's white. if it's privilege you're looking for I'd suggest plutocrat privilege.

People are afraid to admit that yes, some people DO have it worse and ARE treated like shit.

I don't think anyone actually contests this. the differences of opinion on it are just varying degrees of care.

People are also afraid to be empathetic towards others and care, because it's too much work, because they think it shows weakness, because it doesn't sell a product.

*because individualism completely wrecked any collective spirit we once had

You want to know some shit? There's only one race. The labels - white, black, Asian, Mexican, et al.. They don't mean anything. We made those up.

:lol3:

all genetic and visual evidence notwithstanding, of course.

we made up the idea of racism too. All of this was done to fit our own needs and categorize people easier.

in-group/out-group dynamics.

Yes, racism in society has become less of a problem[...]

lol, no.

The NRA proudly supported Zimmerman, who beats and tries to kill his girlfriend after getting away with killing a kid. What a hero though!!

Zimmerman is Hispanic

Cops proudly wear "I can breathe" t shirts, because it's just a joke, right? It's not racist at all! They do what they have to do! Come on come on, respect authority, do what they say and everything will be ok!

I thought those shirts were tasteless but that's just something that some people are always going to do, might as well not get so worked up about it. or to borrow from the lefties, "if you don't like the shirts don't wear one!" :D

IT'S JUST A JOKE GUYS COME ON!!!!

yeah it was. ironically enough the joke itself was less funny than the reaction.

[Vlerchan]

[...] discerning right-wingers such as myself don't shame actual victims [...]
Who do right-wingers such as yourself consider actual victims?

I'm genuinely curious here.

[...] conservatism has its own set of safeguards for the protection of women, but hardly anyone talks about it because that's something "only liburulz care about what are ya some kinda femnist?!"
If I remember correct your vision for woman is for them to be home-keepers with their protection from patriarchal constructs coming from the husband and/or brothers willingness to beat people up. Correct me if I'm wrong. This is a months-old recollection.

That sounds cool and all but I would prefer if woman and their personalities were put in a position to influence our material development.

[...] while it is true that some white people can enjoy some extra privileges in certain situations, you've truncated the part where it also works in the inverse: minorities can also enjoy their own specific privileges in other situations.
This was starting to get interesting. Do expand on the non-whites having privilege. I would appreciate the mechanism supporting this - that isn't a reliance on their white allies - was also outlined.

I've also produced lots of empirical evidence in the past demonstrating some amount white privledge. I would reproduce it now but I'm posting from a phone.

all genetic and visual evidence notwithstanding, of course.
Where does one race begin and one race end when it comes to within the human race?

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I also have no idea why visual evidence matters:
Some black skinned historical-geographical groupings are closer to some white skinned historical-geographical groupings than other black skinned ones.

It's also the case that human beings share 99.9% of the same genes.

in-group/out-group dynamics.
Yes. We create our own in-groups.

Fun fact: The Irish didn't ascend into the white ingroup until the mid 1800s or so.

or to borrow from the lefties, "if you don't like the shirts don't wear one!"
This sounds more like a Libertarian meme.

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I also think there's too much time wasted in identity politics like this, is my general opinion.

[fairmaiden]

Of course racism is around however I don't think it's as common as believed or as serious. It's a two way street and people pull the race card all the damn time. There's a difference between a joke and actual hate/ going to far and people need to figure it out.

We are creating a society of victims.
How would you know? After all, it's unlikely that you've experienced as much racism as a POC would have.
And please tell me, what is your definition of a joke when it comes to racism? I can take a joke, but I know the difference between a joke laced with malice and a joke that is, well, what it is. A joke.
edit; I'm not saying that there aren't people out there who pull the race card, but I'm just asking you to explain how you think that racism isn't as common as believed or serious.
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Racism does exist and unfortunately it will most likely exist for a very long time. Anyone who sees another person as ''lower'' than them just because of their skin colour needs to take a long hard look at themselves because it's ridiculous.

[deadpie]

wtf lol.

We'd like to believe we're so different and special, so this idea does offend a lot of people.

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Read (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/05/what-we-mean-when-we-say-race-is-a-social-construct/275872/)

[dirtyboxer55]

We'd like to believe we're so different and special, so this idea does offend a lot of people.

_qaWp8_z81w

Read (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/05/what-we-mean-when-we-say-race-is-a-social-construct/275872/)

but there are differences between the races. asians on average have higher iq, western africans are very fast sprinters, northern euros regularly win worlds strongest man, etc...

[Vlerchan]

but there are differences between the races. asians on average have higher iq, western africans are very fast sprinters, northern euros regularly win worlds strongest man, etc...
Feel free to demonstrate how this is based in the inherent qualities of different races and not to product of other factors.

No-one has ever managed to but don't let that stop you.

[dirtyboxer55]

Feel free to demonstrate how this is based in the inherent qualities of different races and not to product of other factors.

No-one has ever managed to but don't let that stop you.

so youre saying the reason that almost all top sprinters are western african in descent isn't due to their genetics (lung capacity, skeletal structure, etc), they just train harder. so naive

[Vlerchan]

so youre saying the reason that almost all top sprinters are western african in descent isn't due to their genetics (lung capacity, skeletal structure, etc), they just train harder. so naive
I never claimed that. Please the read the post I wrote:

I want evidence (not offence and/or adhoms).

Even if we pretend correlation infers causation nothing requires genetics are the cause. However in the case of Jamaican sprinters from West Africa there is some empirical evidence (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/21/jamaicans-sprinting-athletics-commonwealth-games ) that these Jamaicans could have an inherent advantage - but it's not conclusive. The empirical evidence does not indicate either of the genetic factors outlined in your response.

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I'm more focused on the claim that some races have an inherently larger IQ.

Because that's non-trivial.

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edit: Lol. I also just realised. You're more-or-less attempting to build race around excelling at a certain aspect of the Olympics.

[phuckphace]

Who do right-wingers such as yourself consider actual victims?

I'm genuinely curious here.

victims of violent crimes, sexual abuse, fraud, theft, etc.

those are actual things worth getting distressed over.

If I remember correct your vision for woman is for them to be home-keepers with their protection from patriarchal constructs coming from the husband and/or brothers willingness to beat people up. Correct me if I'm wrong. This is a months-old recollection.

I used this bit as an example to show one method a conservative society used to protect its female members, countering allegations by you or others that conservatism is just wife-beating patriarchy that treats women like cattle.

what I'd like to do is fix things so that the single-income family can thrive again and the women who are working because they have to (a lot of them) could voluntarily quit and stay at home. businesses can hire as many women as they want, I'm not going to stop them (voluntary association). I'd just like to see a return of the optimum conditions for the traditional family to make a comeback.

That sounds cool and all but I would prefer if woman and their personalities were put in a position to influence our material development.

I'm also not opposed to this.

I'd like to explore ways to make this possible without wrecking the social order too much, you understand.

This was starting to get interesting. Do expand on the non-whites having privilege. I would appreciate the mechanism supporting this - that isn't a reliance on their white allies - was also outlined.

the mechanism in the case of minorities is political correctness.

it's not a reliance on allies so much as exploitation of collective guilt.

an easy example is minority employees treated deferentially by those in authority due to fear of lawsuits and/or bad press for "racism." anyone with a job and eyes willing to see have dealt with this innumerable times. the boss ain't afraid to bellow angrily in your own honky face, but he instantly turns into the Pope minus the awesome hat when it's a minority in the hot seat.

like I said, specific situations.

Where does one race begin and one race end when it comes to within the human race?

to be quite honest although I couldn't tell you exactly, I also don't think it really matters too much at the end of the day and the exact degree to which we differ isn't worth the bother of finding out. bear in mind that I'm not arguing for any race being superior or inferior, because those distinctions (if they even exist or can be confirmed) don't matter in the absence of multiculturalism. *Vlerchan groans* but yes there could be a race of humans with purple skin, long eye stalks like slugs and average IQ 10 standard deviations below the mean and it still wouldn't be an issue if everyone kept to their own habitat.

It's also the case that human beings share 99.9% of the same genes.

yes.

again, I don't find this much worth delving into. I think we've seen enough, so to speak.

This sounds more like a Libertarian meme.

is there a difference? :P

I also think there's too much time wasted in identity politics like this, is my general opinion.

what do you mean exactly by identity politics?

[Vlerchan]

victims of violent crimes, sexual abuse, fraud, theft, etc.

those are actual things worth getting distressed over.
These are all recognised as issues and addressed in our societies.

I was more referring to victims in the sense that social justice advocates refer to them. Not victims of crime but victims of our cultures. Like all the issues these people outlined are based in our cultures legitimising them.

I used this bit as an example to show one method a conservative society used to protect its female members, countering allegations by you or others that conservatism is just wife-beating patriarchy that treats women like cattle.
Fair enough. But I'm not seeing "wife-beating patriarchy that treats woman like cattle" being much disputed in the agenda I outlined if I'm honest.

what I'd like to do is fix things so that the single-income family can thrive again and the women who are working because they have to (a lot of them) could voluntarily quit and stay at home.
To do what? Labour-saving devices have made this outlook more or less redundant. I might accept this if there's young children but otherwise woman are literally staying at home to clean up after the mess woman make staying at home.

Not to mention that the single-income family can't exist within the modern neoliberal economy though for the sake of debate let's just presume this issue away.

I'd just like to see a return of the optimum conditions for the traditional family to make a comeback.
Traditional family has always been a product of material conditions:

When people use terms like "traditional family" I always ask in my mind: "which traditional family?" There's been quite a few I think there's a valid debate concerning which familial structures are most conductive to common wellbeing but then I'm going to want to see a basis for the full-fledged traditional family of the 1950s doing this.

the mechanism in the case of minorities is political correctness.

it's not a reliance on allies so much as exploitation of collective guilt.
I consider this a reliance on allies.

The scope for appealing to guilt always existed. Exploitation of this guilt couldn't and can't exist without (majority, white and heterosexual) liberal collaboration. Setting societal standards is a definitional something disprivledged minorities just can't do.

[A]n easy example is minority employees treated deferentially by those in authority due to fear of lawsuits and/or bad press for "racism."
I've said in the past I'm sceptical of this making up the entire figure as far as whites being hired before blacks is concerned.

It also doesn't work for things like housing discrimination, mortgage discrimination, car-purchase discrimination, etc. I can also produce links supporting these occurrences on request.
bear in mind that I'm not arguing for any race being superior or inferior, because those distinctions (if they even exist or can be confirmed) don't matter in the absence of multiculturalism.
The problem is that even if we closed borders - never happening - the fact that immigrants tend to breed at a higher rate than natives makes multiculturalism the future. We've come too far to stop.

The US in particular is also built on multiracial foundations. It might be made up of mostly whites - at the moment: this is expected to change - but within whites there's a significant enough amount of genetic distance between some subgroups and others.

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what do you mean exactly by identity politics?
There's a disproportionate amount of time spent discussing issues of race, sexuality, etc., and whilst I don't think these issues are unimportant, there's a need to put them into perspective.

[ValentinClarke]

Racism is going to always be around, humans always pick faults with one another, and it is stupid, but it is our nature. We all do it, everyday. I aim to get rid of racism in my school, and I do so by humour. Making racism an extremely bad thing, makes people do it more. The more apathetic you seem, the less racism will occur. Well, that's what I have found. Racism shouldn't be seen as a barrier to stop you from anything, and I'm determined not to let that happen. I see myself get treated differently all the time, just because I am half jamaican. And I hate that, I even wonder to myself, what if I was white? Would I be in this position?
VC

[Dalcourt]

There is and always will be racism in the world. I guess it is human nature to be suspicious about people who have different looks, religion, lifestyles and thus form prejudices.

[benj2]

every one is the same

[KeeganW]

Yes it is people will never all get a long

[fairmaiden]

Racism is going to always be around, humans always pick faults with one another, and it is stupid, but it is our nature. We all do it, everyday. I aim to get rid of racism in my school, and I do so by humour. Making racism an extremely bad thing, makes people do it more. The more apathetic you seem, the less racism will occur. Well, that's what I have found. Racism shouldn't be seen as a barrier to stop you from anything, and I'm determined not to let that happen. I see myself get treated differently all the time, just because I am half jamaican. And I hate that, I even wonder to myself, what if I was white? Would I be in this position?
VC
By making a joke out of racism, you're actually encouraging racism. If you make a racist joke (not just a ''joke'', I'm talking about a serious racial epithet being used), people are going to think ''Well, if a bi-racial person said it, then I can say it!''. Racism should be seen as a bad thing, because if it wasn't seen as a bad thing, racism would be even more rife than it is now. We would be seeing offensive signs on shop windows aimed at people of different races, and there would most likely be plenty more cases of unjustified beatings, cruel lynchings and all sorts going on. Racism should never be seen as any less than it is now, although those who cry wolf when someone is not being racist should be quiet and get on with their lives. Sorry if I misunderstood your point, but that's what I thought you meant.
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Imo, the best way to deal with racism is to teach people that it's wrong. People of authority (like a teacher for example) should ask racist people to present facts on why they think a certain race is lower than them, and then combat all of their ''points'' with educated and well thought of responses as to why they're wrong.

Racists should be taught that it's ridiculous to think that someone is less than them just because of their skin tone. I can't stand it when people excuse their racism with the phrase ''free speech''. Sure, you can say what you want, but be prepared to face the consequences for what you say.

I don't mind ''jokes'' that are not intended to be harmful or whatever, but I can easily pick up when someone is disguising their blatant racism with stupid-ass jokes.

The annoying thing about racism is that I don't think it's going to end any time soon and that saddens me.

[Ridonks_CB]

Officers here in America feel threatened by melanin and shoot a black person if they so much as breathe, then claim they were attacked or some other bullshit. Can't say we're any better here when it comes to how locals are treated.

[Miserabilia]

It all depends on one's definition of racism. But most people would aggree, yes, there is still racism in the world; in some places a lot, in western society a lot less institutionalized and no legal racism, but still judgement and prejedice.