Rant, sorry (not really): Since when is Fall Out Boy rock?

[ChromeCrow]

ok, really, I am raised rock, real rock, and fall out boy, BVB, MCR, Imagine Dragons (wtf kinda name it that anyway) no. In my book, and my book knows it's rock, these are no where near rock. Nickleback is more rock. These bands are more of the bands who might, might have grown up rock, but have succumb to the modern crap now, be it pop, rap, modern country (you know, mud, trucks, girls, beer, trucks, girls, trucks, beer, beer, more mud, and repeat), or whatever else. Or they might have been like the kind of people now, who were total pop princesses, and one day decided, no, I'm punk now. Idk what is with the flow of poser rock bands and people, but it kinda irks me. Do you even know anything from the era of the 70-90's, or even the 60's, when rock was at it's peak? Do you know Motley Crue, Nirvana, Guns 'N' Roses, T. Rex, Queen, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Def Leopard, Aerosmith, The Who, AC/DC? What about Poison, Van Halen, Metallica, U2, Cinderella, Skid Row, Rush? And I could go on, and on, and on, but what will that do, what will even this do, but allow me to let off some steam. The only thing that I hate more that poser rednecks, is poser punks/rockers. And now, my two nightmares are a reality. Where did the good music go? What I'd give to have lived the 80's and not grow up in this reality

[lyhom]

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wow 3edgy5me

in all seriousness though if we're going to care about genres that much then just because the bands you listed play styles of rock you don't like doesn't mean they aren't rock, it just means you don't like what they play.

[Hollywood]

There's no standard definition for "rock", just like there's no standard definition for "pop" or "alternative." Everyone has their own interpretation of what those things mean, and what type of music fits within those categories. It's pretty hard for someone to be wrong in that regard, unless they call Biggie Smalls a country singer or something. Then they're just a dum dum.

[IconoclasticHeretic]

nickleback is more rock.

hahahahahahaha

[Unknwn]

Speaking solely about Fall Out Boy, I've been a big fan of them since I was like 12 or 13 (the Infinity on High and Folie a Deux days), and I am still a big fan today. My first concert was actually last year when I went to see them along with Paramore and New Politics in Monumentour!! :D
Their old stuff sounds to me more punk than rock tbh--especially Take This To Your Grave. As they released more albums, their sound progressively changed and now their new album, American Beauty/American Psycho, sounds almost nothing like Take This To Your Grave, their first album.
I kinda agree that they aren't really rock or punk anymore but have turned into something more pop. Nonetheless, I still love them, and I'm so glad I got to see them live!!! :D
I'll be honest, I like their old stuff much more and, when I first heard their new album, there were some songs that just left me like, "wtf is this??", but over time the songs began to grow on me lol. This is just what I think though (:

[Hyper]

It happened thanks to the grunge boom & the industrial ''movement'' or whatever the f you want to call it.

Modern day popular rock is shitty pop with guitars - get used to it.

Doesn't mean great rock isn't still being made by new bands, just annoying to find stuff that's good when it almost never ends up on mainstream media outlets.

That's why I keep sticking to my older stuff, still plenty of bands I haven't listened to or discovered from the 60s and upwards in rock.

[Abhorrence]

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wow 3edgy5me

in all seriousness though if we're going to care about genres that much then just because the bands you listed play styles of rock you don't like doesn't mean they aren't rock, it just means you don't like what they play.

I literally just died laughing at this comment.

[Babs]

Do you listen to music because you enjoy it or to fuel your ego?
Ferreal though, shit changes. Some people like Led Zepplin, some people like Fall Out Boy. Who gives a shit? Live and let live.

[DylanDanger]

there are many different types of rock! i also don't understand how you can say bands like Imagine Dragons aren't rock but then say nickleback is rock (i mean, have you heard their new song?). and also you talk about what rock bands should sound like, but if you go back to the 1950s/60s when rock really took off, with bands like the kinks, the beatles, buddy holly, etc bands like Imagine Dragons have more in common with those, than motley crue and metallica do. if you are going to use a decade to explain what rock should sound like, you gotta go by the decade rock really took off like the 50s/60s. those are the decades that put rock on the map.

[LiamC]

They are within different sub genres of rock. Maybe not Imagine Dragons (they're pop-rock I'd say, mostly), but FOB and MCR for example are rock, just not the same as the rock you were raised listening to. Doesn't mean they're worth any less.

[Screw Attack]

Yah, you seem like a bit of an elitist if I'm allowed to say that. Not to sound rude.

[ImCoolBeans]

There are tons of different kinds of rock music. Just because you don't like a genre of rock, like pop-punk or whatever Fall Out Boy is playing, doesn't mean that it's not rock music.

I do agree with to an extent and am pretty disappointed with a lot of the new music today, and can't believe that rock and roll isn't the most popular genre anymore, but music is music and I'm not going to trash someone else's taste because it's different from mine.

[ComfortableInChaos]

Fall Out Boy was originally a garage rock band. They've always been rock. In 2013, they released "Save Rock & Roll" which had a song or two go mainstream, for some odd reason, on pop radio stations. They've had the same on their most recent album, 'American Beauty/American Psycho." Just because a band has a single that slays the charts doesn't mean they're not rock. Just because you have a personal opinion on what rock even is doesn't mean they're not rock. I've listened to them, along with MCR (who has always been a rock band. If you don't think so, then I'm not sure you understand what rock even means,) since I was about 10 or 11 years old because my sister was into them and even now, I go and listen to them every once in a while *plays The Black Parade* They're both very different kinds of rock but trying to say FOB is like saying Nirvana isn't grunge but it's just punk, which is very different, but branch off of the same originalities.

Hell, some people like to claim that The Beatles are actually one of the best rock bands of the past 50+ years. I've listened to them since I was little and I know almost every song of theirs (other than their unreleased material, I know some of it but not enough to claim I do) and I would say they aren't what rock is today or what rock has been for the past 20-30 years. They're a specific type of band. Claiming The Beatles or Queen or Cinderella to be rock and not Fall Out Boy pretty much shows ignorance on your part about the rock genre.

Also, you said rock was at its peak in the 70s-80s? I disagree, Nirvana and Marilyn Manson were in the 90s... Rock had different eras between the 60s and the 90s. It only started to die in the late 90s and early 00s, when Britney came around and slayed the charts with her bubblegum pop and other people started tagging along.

[IconoclasticHeretic]

Yah, you seem like a bit of an elitist if I'm allowed to say that. Not to sound rude.

An elitist with pretty limited and shitty taste too. The worst kind.

Fall Out Boy was originally a garage rock band. They've always been rock. In 2013, they released "Save Rock & Roll" which had a song or two go mainstream, for some odd reason, on pop radio stations. They've had the same on their most recent album, 'American Beauty/American Psycho." Just because a band has a single that slays the charts doesn't mean they're not rock. Just because you have a personal opinion on what rock even is doesn't mean they're not rock. I've listened to them, along with MCR (who has always been a rock band. If you don't think so, then I'm not sure you understand what rock even means,) since I was about 10 or 11 years old because my sister was into them and even now, I go and listen to them every once in a while *plays The Black Parade* They're both very different kinds of rock but trying to say FOB is like saying Nirvana isn't grunge but it's just punk, which is very different, but branch off of the same originalities.

Hell, some people like to claim that The Beatles are actually one of the best rock bands of the past 50+ years. I've listened to them since I was little and I know almost every song of theirs (other than their unreleased material, I know some of it but not enough to claim I do) and I would say they aren't what rock is today or what rock has been for the past 20-30 years. They're a specific type of band. Claiming The Beatles or Queen or Cinderella to be rock and not Fall Out Boy pretty much shows ignorance on your part about the rock genre.

Also, you said rock was at its peak in the 70s-80s? I disagree, Nirvana and Marilyn Manson were in the 90s... Rock had different eras between the 60s and the 90s. It only started to die in the late 90s and early 00s, when Britney came around and slayed the charts with her bubblegum pop and other people started tagging along.

Rock never died. It just went underground.

[ComfortableInChaos]

Rock never died. It just went underground.

When did I say it DID die? I said it started to, not that it has yet.

[IconoclasticHeretic]

When did I say it DID die? I said it started to, not that it has yet.

Semantics, dude.

[ComfortableInChaos]

Semantics, dude.

Or assumptions.

[IconoclasticHeretic]

Or assumptions.

Nah.
Dead/Dying. There is no important distinction. Either way, it's done/doing neither of those things.

[DylanDanger]

there are plenty of amazing rock bands out now. granted they aren't like top 40 stuff you hear on the radio right now, but they are still out there and still around.

[Melodic]

Well.. I mean.. I understand.. I laugh when people consider Maroon 5 rock. But I understand why you don't hear voices like theirs anymore. Music changes. If you heard the same type of voices and music on the radio for years, you'd get sick of it. Then it would be like Nickelback.

[DylanDanger]

Well.. I mean.. I understand.. I laugh when people consider Maroon 5 rock. But I understand why you don't hear voices like theirs anymore. Music changes. If you heard the same type of voices and music on the radio for years, you'd get sick of it. Then it would be like Nickelback.

Exactly music is constantly evolving and bands are using the bands that came before them as influences but then doing their own thing. Music would be at a stand still if everyone did the same thing and had the same sound year after year.

And also most of the bands named in the original post are more hard rock then rock. And so you have to expect there will be an equal amount of bands on the light side and many bands in the middle. You can't say hard rock is all rock is. Because if that's the case bands like Rolling Stones, Beatles, the kinks, wouldn't be considered rock when they are the ones that paved the way for bands of recent decades.

[ChromeCrow]

[QUOTE=IconoclasticHeretic;3086378]An elitist with pretty limited and shitty taste too. The worst kind.

How you think that the bands I listed is shitty, idk. And those were just the bands I could think of off the TOP of my head :rolleyes: . I am far from being limited in my taste, ha ha. If I really put down all the bands I love, it would be a list many of miles long :lol: . Kinda ashamed I forgot Tesla too

[IconoclasticHeretic]

[QUOTE=IconoclasticHeretic;3086378]An elitist with pretty limited and shitty taste too. The worst kind.

How you think that the bands I listed is shitty, idk. And those were just the bands I could think of off the TOP of my head :rolleyes: . I am far from being limited in my taste, ha ha. If I really put down all the bands I love, it would be a list many of miles long :lol: . Kinda ashamed I forgot Tesla too

You're getting better with Tesla. But don't get snobby about REAL music or REAL rock and roll when you just said that you enjoy Linkin Park and Nickelback.

[Karkat]

Nickleback is more rock.

Ok, disclaimer: I actually like Nickelback. Sue me.

But it's a little hard for me to take the rest of this seriously given this. Sure, it's your taste, your opinion. Doesn't mean you should be 'rewriting' the laws of music or something. Believe it or not, a lot of the people you mentioned were top 40 back in their day.

Heck, David Bowie is technically considered pop in most cases...

Just because today's music sounds different, it doesn't mean the context is, oddly enough-

The Beatles were a boy band.

Rick Springfield was a Justin Bieber of the 80's.

David Bowie was sick of his producers so he made the MOST COMMERCIAL album he could churn out, made HUGE money off of it, and did whatever the fuck he wanted.

I get that, being a teen, and thinking your music taste is superior, you think I'm wrong, or that modern music sucks, blah blah blah.

-You didn't live then. I didn't either, but I study pop culture, music culture, and on top of that I have a lot of conversations with people who LIVED these eras about music. Believe me, just because something is considered classic now, there were plenty of people who thought legends were just sellouts.

Does that mean Justin Bieber is amazing and produces godlike music?

...:lol:

Does it mean you have to like him?

:lol3:

And while I do like most of the 'poser' bands you mentioned, you don't have to like them, or think their music is good either.

...But it also doesn't really give you the right to act like you know better than everyone else about music. And it DEFINITELY doesn't give you the right to ASSUME you know better than everyone else about music.

A lot of us grew up with these bands too. You're not a special snowflake for liking classics.

Just like you're not a special snowflake for disliking modern music. It's not cool, it doesn't make you better, it just means that you have your preferences. Like every other fucking person on the planet.

Micromanaging everyone's music taste is pretty petty and really just a waste of your time. I don't understand why anyone does it- or for anything of the like for that matter. Don't like something? Cool. Like something? Cool. Who gives a fuck.

Unless you share a mutual like/dislike, in which case, ranting and raving about common ground is 100% ok.

[ChromeCrow]

[QUOTE=ChromeCrow;3087253]

You're getting better with Tesla. But don't get snobby about REAL music or REAL rock and roll when you just said that you enjoy Linkin Park and Nickelback.

But I never said I liked Nickelback, and not once did I mention Linkin Park, soooo.........:what:

[Sugaree]

ok, really, I am raised rock, real rock, and fall out boy, BVB, MCR, Imagine Dragons (wtf kinda name it that anyway) no. In my book, and my book knows it's rock, these are no where near rock. Nickleback is more rock. These bands are more of the bands who might, might have grown up rock, but have succumb to the modern crap now, be it pop, rap, modern country (you know, mud, trucks, girls, beer, trucks, girls, trucks, beer, beer, more mud, and repeat), or whatever else. Or they might have been like the kind of people now, who were total pop princesses, and one day decided, no, I'm punk now. Idk what is with the flow of poser rock bands and people, but it kinda irks me. Do you even know anything from the era of the 70-90's, or even the 60's, when rock was at it's peak? Do you know Motley Crue, Nirvana, Guns 'N' Roses, T. Rex, Queen, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Def Leopard, Aerosmith, The Who, AC/DC? What about Poison, Van Halen, Metallica, U2, Cinderella, Skid Row, Rush? And I could go on, and on, and on, but what will that do, what will even this do, but allow me to let off some steam. The only thing that I hate more that poser rednecks, is poser punks/rockers. And now, my two nightmares are a reality. Where did the good music go? What I'd give to have lived the 80's and not grow up in this reality

>Motley Crue
>Guns and Roses
>Skid Row
>Poison
>good

Don't get me started on this. If you're one of those "wrong generation" people, please go back to YouTube. It's great that you like all the stuff you've heard so far from way before you were even conceived, but that does not invalidate any of the music being made today. If people are listening and like what they hear, it's not a bad thing. There were a lot of poser bands back in the 70s and 80s; they aren't a new age phenomena.

Let's see, some big poser bands from the 70s and 80s...well, Motley Crue, Guns and Roses, Skid Row, and Poison come to mind. Does that mean what they make isn't "real" music? No, not at all. It just means I don't like what they make. As long as the artist wants to put it out, then that's cool. I just don't want to listen to it if it doesn't interest me enough.

The fact of the matter is that we've got different musical likes/dislikes. That's cool. In the end, does it matter? Look, my girlfriend listens to Top 40 stuff and general pop while I'm over here listening to really heavy metal, progressive, jazz, and a very wide variety of artists and genres. That doesn't mean I love her any less because I can look past it. Whatever sounds good to you is all that matters.

Now, to go on with what is considered "rock", you're trying to generalize an entire genre with a very slim group of artists. Rock evolved from jazz/blues, which evolved from folk and very old negro spirituals that spread through word of mouth. Rock can be broken into multiple different genres, like:

Progressive (which can be broken down to other sub-genres such as jazz and metal)
Pop Rock
Jazz Fusion (which can have multiple influences from multiple genres)
Hard Rock
Post-Rock
Art Rock
Experimental Rock
Industrial
Alternative
Indie

So what genre of Rock are you talking about? From the groups you listed, they all fall under the general umbrella of Classic Rock, which could be easily called standard Rock. But groups like Poison and Skid Row fall under Hair/Glam Metal. Rush falls under multiple genres because they've released progressive rock albums, straight rock albums, very keyboard heavy rock albums, even some albums that are borderline metal. So it just depends who you ask.

[toddum]

Love how that guy goes on about how he loves REAL ROCK MUSIC. Says Fall Out Boy isn;t rock

But he thinks U2 is. What a joke.

But in all seriousness. Aren't the better bands, the one's that aren't confined to a specific genre. That branch out and show diversity.
Fall out boy went from pop/punk to whatever they're playing now. They're still damn talented.
Enter Shikari hitting every genre on the spectrum.
Bring Me The Horizon even bringing it in lighter now.

You don't have to class a band by a specific genre, just enjoy the music, appreciate their talent.

-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

[Emerald Dream]

Music is something that people are always going to disagree on.

Sure, there are some artists I don't care for too much - but if it makes other people happy to listen to them, then let them be happy.

Listen to whatever you want, and don't pay attention to what everyone else says. The great thing about music is that every single person has individualized tastes.

You've listed some bands I really like, and others I find boring as all hell. Who cares? No one is ever going to agree 100% with other people on this.

[Aves]

Your idea of rock is very off. Rock has and will always be a growing and changing genre. We don't need 40 more years of bands just releasing Beatles music. We can't (even though we do) keep making a brand new genre for every album a band comes out with. Are the bands today going to sound like the bands in the 80s though? No. They're going to change, so that they aren't seen as posers, wannabes, copies, etc. Rock has always been a broad genre. I mean, what makes Queen so close to the same as Nirvana?