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Exocet
March 7th, 2015, 05:59 PM
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U.S. aircraft carrier and part of its escort “sunk” by French submarine during drills off Florida


On Mar. 4, the French Ministry of Defense released some interesting details, about the activity conducted by one of its nuclear-powered attack submarine (SNA) in the waters of the North Atlantic Ocean.

According to French MoD website (that is no longer online, even if you can still find a cached version of the article titled “Le SNA Saphir en entraînement avec l’US Navy au large de la Floride”), the Saphir submarine has recently taken part in a major exercise with the U.S. Navy off Florida.

The aim of the exercise was joint training with U.S. Carrier Strike Group 12 made by the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt, several Ticonderoga cruisers or Arleigh Burke-class destroyers and a Los Angeles-class submarine, ahead of their operational deployment.

The scenario of the drills saw some imaginary states assaulting American economic and territorial interests; threats faced by a naval force led by USS Theodore Roosevelt.

During the first phase of the exercise, the Saphir was integrated into the friendly force to support anti-submarine warfare (ASW) by cooperating with U.S. P-3C Orion P-8A Poseidon MPA (Maritime Patrol Aircraft): its role was to share all the underwater contacts with the other ASW assets.

In the second phase of the exercise, the Saphir was integrated with the enemy forces and its mission was to locate the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt and its accompanying warships and prepare to attack the strike group.

While the fictious political situation deteriorated, the Saphir quietly slipped in the heart of the multi-billion-dollar aircraft carrier’s defensive screen, while avoiding detection by ASW assets.

On the morning of the last day, the order to attack was finally given, allowing the Saphir to pretend-sinking the USS Theodore Roosevelt and most of its escort.

Although we don’t really know many more details about the attack and its outcome, the scripted exercise its RoE (Rules of Engagement), the simulated sinking of a U.S. supercarrier proves the flattop’s underwater defenses are not impenetrable.

This is the reason why modern subs often train with aircraft carriers: they pose a significant threat to powerful Carrier Strike Groups.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/03/05/us-aircraft-carrier-sunk-by-subs/

thatcountrykid
March 7th, 2015, 07:10 PM
Ok so our Allie got us in a drill? That happens. That's what drills are for.

Stronk Serb
March 8th, 2015, 07:27 PM
When the French win a battle, you are to be concerned about the strength of your army.

Silicate Wielder
March 9th, 2015, 08:17 PM
When the French win a battle, you are to be concerned about the strength of your army.
Well this was also a drill so it's not like the entire military was out there.

EDIT: I misread the word aircraft carrier, thought this was about a plane being shot down by a surfaced submarine.

Exocet
March 23rd, 2015, 06:50 AM
When the French win a battle, you are to be concerned about the strength of your army.

In the whole history,many small armies faced and defeated bigger armies,the training,the experience,morale is important.

Stronk Serb
March 23rd, 2015, 03:36 PM
In the whole history,many small armies faced and defeated bigger armies,the training,the experience,morale is important.

I was just referring to the 'raise the white flag' stereotype attributed to the French armed forces. You had some awesome battles. During WWII near Marseilles, 9 Frenchmen held off 5000 Italians, inflicting 200-600 dead and a few hundred wounded before surrendering.

Exocet
March 23rd, 2015, 04:01 PM
I was just referring to the 'raise the white flag' stereotype attributed to the French armed forces. You had some awesome battles. During WWII near Marseilles, 9 Frenchmen held off 5000 Italians, inflicting 200-600 dead and a few hundred wounded before surrendering.


They didn't surrender,there was cease fire,the soldiers were evacuated.
But they did a good fight,just like in the battle of Stonne and near there (90.000 german vs 42.500 french,they lost 26.500 and we lost 7.500),battle of Bir Hakeim(where even Rommel stated "nowhere in Africa was I given a stiffer fight",Even Adolf Hitler responded to the journalist Lutz Koch, coming back from Bir Hakim: "You hear, Gentlemen? It is a new evidence that I have always been right! The French are, after us, the best soldiers! Even with its current birthrate, France will always be able to mobilize a hundred divisions! After this war, we will have to find allies able to contain a country which is able of military exploits that astonish the world like they are doing right now in Bir-Hakeim!")and many others,it isn't the soldiers that "surrendered", during the 40 war,but the politicians. :mad:

Vexste
March 23rd, 2015, 04:11 PM
They didn't surrender,there was cease fire,the soldiers were evacuated.
But they did a good fight,just like in the battle of Stonne and near there (90.000 german vs 42.500 french,they lost 26.500 and we lost 7.500) and many others,it isn't the soldiers that "surrendered", during the 40 war,but the politicians. :mad:

Look. I get that it's not good to make fun of other countries, but sometimes it really is all in fun. I mean, look at the U.S.A there are plenty of stereo-types about us. But it's no big deal, I know people don't think we're actually all gun-toting rednecks who hunt and eat squirrel meat.