Animal rights.

[Trampster]

Sorry if there is a post on this, already. I used the search bar and looked through the pages XD

Anyway, I kinda just want to know where you stand on animal cruelty. Animal cruelty in general. Like the fur trade, bear dancing, and domestic abuse. This stemmed from a discussion on my photography thread.

I'll start with my views.

I don't think people who commit such crimes are worthy of calling themselves humans. I may be a hypocrite, because I eat meat, and the only way I can possibly justify that is, by saying the animals are /always/ killed in the least painful way, or quickest way.

I don't agree with fur, and I think the fur trade is disgusting, especially in China.

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I think things such as that, need to have a limit. It sickens me so much, I can't even watch it. They can't kill the animal first because it apparently damages the fur! :mad:

So, your views?

[robbiehay1]

i could only bare to watch a minute of that i was almost crying, that sickens me i don't believe that they get away with it well i hope they rot in hell for what they are doing to poor innocent animals

[*Dissident*]

animals are /always/ killed in the least painful way, or quickest way.


False.

[robbiehay1]

False.

well in this country they are

[Trampster]

Cheers for the back up.

I also agree with your other post. I can't stand that it's legal there

[IfPiratesCouldFly]

Yeah but in other country's such as the US they brutalize animals. Cows: they cut off their testicles while they're up, saw the horns off while they're up, basically hang them up when they're alive. Rabbits often get neutered (sp) with very little anesthetics (Sp again) and the sharpness of the blade isn't checked. Pigs get no moving room, and its basically all juss pointless cruelty and it shouldn't be happening :/ So thats where I stand, I don't eat meat, I don't wear animal. I do not support animal cruelty of any manner.

[Underground_Network]

I absolutely hate animal cruelty. I've tried being a vegetarian, but I just can't.. I was born and raised on meat and I just can't live without it... I hate myself for eating meat.. But yeah.. I hate animal cruelty with a passion. I think someone kills an animal deserves the same amount of time as someone who kills a human. Humans are animals after all.

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[Areus]

I despise Animal Cruelty!!! Then again, I despise cutting down trees, pollution, and all that stuff, but most of all, I hate Animal Cruelty. I mean, seriously, what right do we have to kill for fur? Killing for meat is justified, I guess, since most animals do it too, but just for fur? I cannot believe I am of the same species as animal oppressors!

[IfPiratesCouldFly]

I despise Animal Cruelty!!! Then again, I despise cutting down trees, pollution, and all that stuff, but most of all, I hate Animal Cruelty. I mean, seriously, what right do we have to kill for fur? Killing for meat is justified, I guess, since most animals do it too, but just for fur? I cannot believe I am of the same species as animal oppressors!


Killing for meat was justified. Animals kill for meat because they have no other means of food. We do.

[*Dissident*]

Meat is still an integral part of our diet. The reason its so difficult to get all the complex amino acids you need as a vegetarian is because the human body was meant to eat a small amount of meat. We eat WAY to much these days, and we eat the wrong meat, but we still kind of need it. Many people I know eat meat at almost every meal, especially red meat. That is wrong and unhealthy. Eat fish once or twice a week, and you are being biologically sound. Don't eat red meat, its cruel and bad for you. Avoid chicken, especially nonorganic free range.

Did you know that all of the beef and chicken we eat is corn fed? and a corn fed cow cannot live more than 6 months on a diet of corn. The beef we eat has 9 times more fat than a grass fed cow from 30 years ago. In many slaughterhouses, they are not fully dead/unconscious when they are skinned and gutted. Same for chickens.

Beef cows live in small pens where they gorge themselves on corn and are not aloud to move, for fear they will burn calories. Chickens live in their own feces and waste in massive communal cages stuffed way past capacity, stuffing themselves on corn, laying eggs until they stop laying grade A eggs, at which point they are slaughtered.

Its all really sad.

[IfPiratesCouldFly]

I think its perfectly fine to eat fish. Fish aren't tortured unlike other animals (Cows, Chickens, pigs, etc.) I personally hate fish think it tastes nasty, but its not animal cruelty.

*takes back previous statement*

[Trampster]

Fish aren't tortured?

Please.

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[Underground_Network]

Yeah, I was just about to say that.. How can you say that fish aren't tortured? If anything they're tortured more often than many other animals. You just don't hear about it as often because most cases that are brought up regard domestic cases or cases involving animals on a farm or animals in someone's house or animals in a place where animals are prepared or whatever.. etc... Fish aren't found on farms, and the kind of fish you eat aren't likely to be found in someone's house, and you think that fish find respiration fun when we spill oil into their water?

[Trampster]

Totally with you.

Especially this part:

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[Prince Jellyfish]

You act like people who eat animals hate them, it's actually quite the opposite! We bear no grudge against them, you could even say we love them, for nothing is tastier than a tender lamb. <3

[Underground_Network]

^^ Though I completely disagree with what you just said, I do have to admit I am not a vegetarian and I eat meat quite often, but I'm not against killing animals for food, I'm against the manner in which certain people choose to kill said animals. Torturing animals is just wrong.

[Nihilus]

fur trading is disgusting. Its made tiger endangered:(

[IfPiratesCouldFly]

Fish aren't tortured?

Please.

http://fishinghurts.com/

OKayy I'm enlightened, thank you :)

[happytimes]

i don't believe that they get away with it well i hope they rot in hell for what they are doing to poor innocent animals

you have to understand that most people living in third world countries do not have a choice. they either do whatever they can (including selling animal fur) to survive or just starve to death with their family. it's all about supply and demand. so in the end we should be blaming the people who actually buy animal fur product. consumers control the market, not the manufacturer. the people who kill animal are just trying to make a living (although they could do it in a less horrible manner, throwing animals at the floor is just gross). consumers who support this market and buy these products are just wearing fur for their image. it's ridiculous.

[Underground_Network]

You do know that the genocide in Darfur as well as in other African countries are now being funded by poaching endangered animals don't you? They're killing endangered species to fund a genocide... How fucking low can you get?

[Andrew56]

Eww.

Eww.

Um, eating meat - It's fine, animal are here to provide food for us. Animals you kill to eat, kill quickly and as painlessly as possible, and use the fur or skin if you like.

Wearing fur - It's fine, as long as you get over yourself and kill it quickly and as painlessly as possible, regardless of whether you lose a bit of fur in the process. And the meat of that animal better be eaten by something; people or fed to animals at a zoo. And the animal you got it from better not be endangered.

[Techno Monster]

I cried so sad!

[[[chickaroo92]]]

Like Kirsty, I eat meat.
I don't eat lamb, or veal.
I mean, killing a baby cow is just so wrong, but sadly, its part of their lives.
It's funny how the candidates talk about lowering taxes, and talking about the war, but do any of them mention once about animal abuse? Seriously.

[Areus]

I personally think that, although animals should not be abused, eating meat is perfectly fine, as we were created as omnivores. Animals eat other animals, so if by eating meat we are abusing animals, then so are bears, foxes, wolves, tigers, etc. So the eating of meat is okay, but abusing animals for reasons other than necessity is wrong, just flat-out, incomprehensibly wrong.