Three British Teenage Girls Leave the Country to Join ISIS ---- Your thoughts?

[PinkFloyd]

It's pretty simple. Two 15 year-olds and a 16 year-old from the United Kingdom left the country to join ISIS. I've been hearing basically two takes on this issue. The first is that they should be welcomed home with little to no consequences.

My belief is that in the case that they do return back, they should be arrested immediately. So many people are saying that they're just teenagers that don't know any better. I'm a teenager and I've swore at my parents, smoked pot, and ditched class a few times. Those things are bad and I don't advocate for them, but my stance remains... I've done normal stupid teenager stuff, nothing along the lines of joining a terrorist organization.

[thatcountrykid]

It's down right treason and the fact that they join, I'd charge with crimes against humanity just for association and support

[Vlerchan]

Revoke their passports:

If any if them turn up at an airport: arrest them.

[Left Now]

And the very thing which popped in my mind right after reading the title...Why the hell would three teenager girls leave their very own country to join a so-called Islamic organization and an extremist group like ISIS?What's happening in there?Can't British authorities really stop Daesh's fifth column from spreading lies about their heck-twisted cause and taking recruits in United Kingdom?

[rioo]

obviously brainwashed kids

[tasminsmith]

treat them as they would with any other terrorist that had joined something like that

[JamesSuperBoy]

I think first thing really can we blame them if they have been pressured into it. I think not
It would be unusual for 2 teens just to be able to get and pay for flights and passports etc and just up and off. Its a long way from a skip class and hang out with a pal or prank.

[amgb]

What the - ? I'm just a bit confused here...I think I'm going to be one of those many people (who actually should be everyone instead) who says that they're just teenagers and they don't know any better - actually, they are old enough to know the complications and consequences of what they are doing but I think it's their choice and I don't know if I should say this but I think this is beyond crazy. I can understand leaving and running away from home, but why the heck would they want to leave their country to join an Islamist rebel group all the way in Iraq and Syria?

[Isabella_]

If they are old enough to make that kind of decision and follow through with actually getting the funds etc to leave the country and become an ISIS whore than they are making adult decisions, so they know full well

They are aiding and supporting terrorism, even if it's improving morale by being handed around by the animals

They are really stupid and shouldn't be allowed to breed

[Microcosm]

I'd say arrest them. Definitely. It's still treason no matter how old they are. If they do come back, they should be put through some kind of rehabilitation program or something to bring them back to their senses.

[Stronk Serb]

Volunteers who return from Ukraine get arrested. The same should be done with these.

[That's the Spirit]

Don't come back... you made up your minds.

[TheBigUnit]

nah give them a chance i believe, they were probably outcasts in their setting, ISIS caters to the outcasts which is quite unfortunate

[SethfromMI]

I would charge them with treason or some type of terrorism charge. though why do they think they will be accepted in ISIS

[thatcountrykid]

nah give them a chance i believe, they were probably outcasts in their setting, ISIS caters to the outcasts which is quite unfortunate

So they should be forgiven for treason and supporting an organization that has killed your countrymen? You sure you don't want to join Isis?

[Vlerchan]

So they should be forgiven for treason and supporting an organization that has killed your countrymen? You sure you don't want to join Isis?
In the US treason is punished with death. Do you think this should be the case with these three girls?

Just to be clear, if you disagree then you're a terrorist.

[Serzh98]

Who gives a fuck, they'll end up pregnant in Raqqa and will be 17th wife of some 40-year old bearded guy.

[thatcountrykid]

In the US treason is punished with death. Do you think this should be the case with these three girls?

Just to be clear, if you disagree then you're a terrorist.

Id say it depends on what they did while there. If they did infact kill or had high involvement then yes death.

If they are stopped before arriving I'd say w long, long stay in prison

[Vlerchan]

Id say it depends on what they did while there. If they did infact kill or had high involvement then yes death.

If they are stopped before arriving I'd say w long, long stay in prison
Right. I had just been satirising your previous response:

Do you not think age should be a limiting factor when it comes to capital punishment?

[thatcountrykid]

Right. I had just been satirising your previous response:

Do you not think age should be a limiting factor when it comes to capital punishment?

At 15 and 16 you know what is right and wrong so they should know and I would have no issue if they were put to death for treason

[Leprous]

*sighs* why oh why does this happen? How long untill they turn up dead in the news? I give it a week. Seriously they must be major idiots to even think about going there, and now they're doing it.

I think people like these girls should not be allowed to re-enter their home country.

[TheBigUnit]

At 15 and 16 you know what is right and wrong so they should know and I would have no issue if they were put to death for treason

What you believe in makes you no better than what Isis believes in, the lack to care about death, that being said if these girls were older they deserve lengthy prison sentences

[thatcountrykid]

What you believe in makes you no better than what Isis believes in, the lack to care about death, that being said if these girls were older they deserve lengthy prison sentences

Unlike Isis, I care about the death of innocents. But once you support a group like them you are nothing to me. Why spend the money to keep those guilty of treason alive. Give them their trial and if they're found guilty, shoot em.

Isis wouldn't show mercy towards us so why should we rice it to them.

[TheBigUnit]

Unlike Isis, I care about the death of innocents. But once you support a group like them you are nothing to me. Why spend the money to keep those guilty of treason alive. Give them their trial and if they're found guilty, shoot em.

Isis wouldn't show mercy towards us so why should we rice it to them.

Because we aren't as barbaric as them! Executing minors, mind you really foolish minors, for
something as dumb as that not only instigates more violence, but also smears our credibility,

These girls are

a) minors
b) have no connection to al baghdadi,

theyre just pawns and Executing them doesn't give any of the victims justice nor does it benefit our country one bit

[thatcountrykid]

Because we aren't as barbaric as them! Executing minors, mind you really foolish minors, for
something as dumb as that not only instigates more violence, but also smears our credibility,

These girls are

a) minors
b) have no connection to al baghdadi,

theyre just pawns and Executing them doesn't give any of the victims justice nor does it benefit our country one bit

At their age they should know that it is wrong. They are the same age as me!

Commiting treason isn't a petty crime. It is the worst offense.

They are leaving to join Isis. The intent and connection is there. They are not pawns. They made their own choice.

[Stronk Serb]

Honestly, charge them with treason and punish them for it when they get back. Only if you are very mentally disabled, you will not realize it is wrong at that age.

[Vlerchan]

Just to be clear: I disagree with thatcountrykid but note from experiencing that arguing about it is futile.

Except perhaps:

If people at 15 can be tried under the law the same as adults is it not right that these people gain the same privileges as adults: smoking rights and voting rights and gun-ownership rights (etc.)?

[Lovelife090994]

Just to be clear: I disagree with thatcountrykid but note from experiencing that arguing about it is futile.

Except perhaps:

If people at 15 can be tried under the law the same as adults is it not right that these people gain the same privileges as adults: smoking rights and voting rights and gun-ownership rights (etc.)?

Crime is crime, evil is evil. The girls in the Slenderman case are not even 15 and they are being tried as adults for stabbing their friend. These girls sought to join terrorists who are a threat to the world. They want to start crime and make adult decisions? Then try them as adults and charge them with treason and conspiracy.

[Vlerchan]

The girls in the Slenderman case are not even 15 and they are being tried as adults for stabbing their friend.
No. The prosecutor wants this to happen. The judge still needs to rule.

The two girls who killed their brother will be tried as juveniles.

They want to start crime and make adult decisions? Then try them as adults and charge them with treason and conspiracy.
This isn't how the law works at all.

Making an "adult decision" does not make you an "adult" even in common sense analysis though.

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You also avoided the question I posed.

[TheBigUnit]

At their age they should know that it is wrong. They are the same age as me!

Commiting treason isn't a petty crime. It is the worst offense.

They are leaving to join Isis. The intent and connection is there. They are not pawns. They made their own choice.

So you're at least agreeing with me that we shouldn't use the firing squad at then?

[Left Now]

At their age they should know that it is wrong. They are the same age as me!

So what?They are people here who are around 20 and yet,they do not act according to logic and reason...Please forgive me if I'm being rude,but still even you yourself sometimes act in this way too. (Didn't mean any offense)


Commiting treason isn't a petty crime. It is the worst offense.

That's right;but it's not same for a completely grown up adult and some teenagers.



They are leaving to join Isis. The intent and connection is there. They are not pawns. They made their own choice.

They have made their own choice,that's right,but they are still 15 and 16 teenagers!You can't say that their choices are not affected by their emotions and feelings at all.

Although I agree that many teenagers in this world usually don't make such ridiculous choices like this,but still teenagers can easily change because of natural conditions and the things which can affect them mentally,like seeking joy and excitement or even sadness and depression.


By the way,I still haven't gotten the answer to the question which I asked in my first post :

And the very thing which popped in my mind right after reading the title...Why the hell would three teenager girls leave their very own country to join a so-called Islamic organization and an extremist group like ISIS?What's happening in there?Can't British authorities really stop Daesh's fifth column from spreading lies about their heck-twisted cause and taking recruits in United Kingdom?

[TheBigUnit]

And the very thing which popped in my mind right after reading the title...Why the hell would three teenager girls leave their very own country to join a so-called Islamic organization and an extremist group like ISIS?What's happening in there?Can't British authorities really stop Daesh's fifth column from spreading lies about their heck-twisted cause and taking recruits in United Kingdom?

I kind of answered it in my first post. Unfortunately many Muslims in the West see themselves as pariahs for physical reasons like wearing a hijab or cultural reasons where they don't feel that they can fit. I also believe many were taught of the "golden" days of the vast Arabian caliphate. Isis caters to that outcast mindset picking usually the easily to be manipulated bunch. In history you can see this done before where Adolf Hitlers main cabinet were all outcasts like Heinrich Himmeler. Really can't monitor the Internet and there are many ways to bypass such restrictions, isis heavily use the dark webs. There are also physical recruits. Authorities are doing their best in stopping potential recruits as seen with this article and just yesterday American officials stopped a bunch that wanted to hijack a plane for isis. The ironic thing is, the Arabian caliphate was rather some ways secular as you may already know, examples like many homoerotic poems were published, isis needed a way to find a casus belli for their actions, unfortunately they used islam

[Stronk Serb]

If Serbia was fighting ISIS they would be charged with high treason and probably imprisoned for life because we abolished the death penalty. If they went to join without us fighting ISIS (just like in reality), they would face 5-8 years of prison. Here people 14 years or older are tried as adults. Some studies show that children in their early teens form their moral compass. If a teen can't tell that going to fight on the other end of the world in some god-forsaken desert for people who are hell-bent on crushing the principles of modern civilisation is wrong, they either are mentally disabled or know the consequences and don't care.

[tret123]

Age doesn't matter.... They are threatening national security! The know exactly what they are doing... Revoke passports, and if they come back, hold them until they are 18 and charge them with treason

[Human]

They shouldn't be allowed back to the UK at all in my opinion

[Wanderer_]

Just send them back, if they've been the ISIS bicycles they shouldn't be allowed amongst civilized society any more

[Magus]

If they want to be slave brides to ISIS members, then let them. Who cares.

[Left Now]

I kind of answered it in my first post. Unfortunately many Muslims in the West see themselves as pariahs for physical reasons like wearing a hijab or cultural reasons where they don't feel that they can fit.

Actually I completely knew that something was wrong with many Muslims in the West,and you know I some kinda agree with what you said above,because the fact is most of European Muslims are Sunni Muslims who are next generations of African and Arab immigrants who have migrated to Europe or America in the past.

But we also have to mention that most Sunni Islamic Centers in the world and specially in the Western countries are seriously affected by Al-Az'har University in Cairo,Egypt,which right now is under control of Muslim Brotherhood group who themselves,are seriously affected by teachings of Wahabi School of Saudis.I believe this is one of the reasons why most Muslims outside of Iran and countries like Iran (Like Azerbaijan,Turkemanistan,Tajikistan and ...) act like this.Also,we don't have to forget that Western and European medias are intentionally or unintentionally some kinda encourage these kinds of behaviors too...(I will explain if you like.)


I also believe many were taught of the "golden" days of the vast Arabian caliphate.

Actually,Islamic Golden Age at its most parts (over 89%) has nothing to do with Arabs,since most pioneers of that era were non-Arab Muslims,and also not related to Arab Caliphates of Abbasids at all.So I will be grateful if you do not relate Islamic Golden Age to Arabs specifically anymore.Thanks.

Isis caters to that outcast mindset picking usually the easily to be manipulated bunch.

That's right,unfortunately,but as I said,Western medias and social groups or at some parts even people,are not completely innocent in this matter neither.


In history you can see this done before where Adolf Hitlers main cabinet were all outcasts like Heinrich Himmeler.

Agree


Really can't monitor the Internet and there are many ways to bypass such restrictions, ISIS heavily use the dark webs.

You are 100 percents absolutely right about it.

There are also physical recruits. Authorities are doing their best in stopping potential recruits as seen with this article and just yesterday American officials stopped a bunch that wanted to hijack a plane for isis.


Well,I some kinda completely sure that their works are not as difficult as Intelligence Agents of here are...You understand what I say right?You knew since we are right in the middle of it.


The ironic thing is, the Arabian caliphate was rather some ways secular as you may already know, examples like many homoerotic poems were published,

Actually,not just "Abbasids Caliphate",but even "Rashidun Caliphate" and "Arabia under Muhammad himself" or even other non-Arabic Islamic Governments in Middle East and Southern Spain,like Moorish Sultanates in nearly about 80% of times,Shia Fatimid Caliphate of Egypt in over 95% percents of times,Buyyid and Alavid Governments of Tabaristan and Fars in Iran in over 96% of times,were exactly like how you call it "Secular";although I believe they were not Secular,but had a really different way of governing which was not familiar and known in those days and even these days of Europe at all.

Plus+If you are interested in history of Middle East and Muslim governments in Medieval Times,feel free to let me know and message me anytime.I will be happy to help you with it.


isis needed a way to find a casus belli for their actions, unfortunately they used Islam

Unfortunately,the very thing which they even don't know what it is.

[TheBigUnit]

Actually I completely knew that something was wrong with many Muslims in the West,and you know I some kinda agree with what you said above,because the fact is most of European Muslims are Sunni Muslims who are next generations of African and Arab immigrants who have migrated to Europe or America in the past.

But we also have to mention that most Sunni Islamic Centers in the world and specially in the Western countries are seriously affected by Al-Az'har University in Cairo,Egypt,which right now is under control of Muslim Brotherhood group who themselves,are seriously affected by teachings of Wahabi School of Saudis.I believe this is one of the reasons why most Muslims outside of Iran and countries like Iran (Like Azerbaijan,Turkemanistan,Tajikistan and ...) act like this.Also,we don't have to forget that Western and European medias are intentionally or unintentionally some kinda encourage these kinds of behaviors too...(I will explain if you like.)




Actually,Islamic Golden Age at its most parts (over 89%) has nothing to do with Arabs,since most pioneers of that era were non-Arab Muslims,and also not related to Arab Caliphates of Abbasids at all.So I will be grateful if you do not relate Islamic Golden Age to Arabs specifically anymore.Thanks.



That's right,unfortunately,but as I said,Western medias and social groups or at some parts even people,are not completely innocent in this matter neither.




Agree




You are 100 percents absolutely right about it.




Well,I some kinda completely sure that their works are not as difficult as Intelligence Agents of here are...You understand what I say right?You knew since we are right in the middle of it.




Actually,not just "Abbasids Caliphate",but even "Rashidun Caliphate" and "Arabia under Muhammad himself" or even other non-Arabic Islamic Governments in Middle East and Southern Spain,like Moorish Sultanates in nearly about 80% of times,Shia Fatimid Caliphate of Egypt in over 95% percents of times,Buyyid and Alavid Governments of Tabaristan and Fars in Iran in over 96% of times,were exactly like how you call it "Secular";although I believe they were not Secular,but had a really different way of governing which was not familiar and known in those days and even these days of Europe at all.

Plus+If you are interested in history of Middle East and Muslim governments in Medieval Times,feel free to let me know and message me anytime.I will be happy to help you with it.




Unfortunately,the very thing which they even don't know what it is.


Don't think youve ever agreed with me this much before :P do forgive my usage of caliphates, im sure you know much more of the subject than i do with my western education

[CRH99]

alright, im 95% sure that britain has a bill of rights, so im pretty sure that they are within their rights to associate themselves with whoever they want to, and until proven guilty of an actual crime. the KKK has committed tons of crimes but no one arrests people who join them. to quote justices in Texas v Johnson "Government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea offensive or disagreeable.”

[SethfromMI]

alright, im 95% sure that britain has a bill of rights, so im pretty sure that they are within their rights to associate themselves with whoever they want to, and until proven guilty of an actual crime. the KKK has committed tons of crimes but no one arrests people who join them. to quote justices in Texas v Johnson "Government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea offensive or disagreeable.”

yea but when ISIS says they want to kill people and blow up monuments within your country, I think even Britain would care about that and I'm sure it breaks some type of law

[DerBear]

I honestly want to say I care but I don't. I got asked this the other day, my opinion on it but ultimately I couldn't care less if some teenage girls decide to go join a terrorist organisation and I believe we have far too much of our own trouble in our country to worry about the prosecution of these girls, if and when they do return home.

[CRH99]

yea but when ISIS says they want to kill people and blow up monuments within your country, I think even Britain would care about that and I'm sure it breaks some type of law

this whole isis thing is rather out of perspective, there are radical groups, who in the US have been making violent threats if there isn't change. And until the girls can be directly associated with the plotting or execution of a crime that have the rights to join whoever they want.

[SethfromMI]

this whole isis thing is rather out of perspective, there are radical groups, who in the US have been making violent threats if there isn't change. And until the girls can be directly associated with the plotting or execution of a crime that have the rights to join whoever they want.

so you support people joining ISIS then?

[TheGuest]

What in the world...

[Mil1dreded]

They most likely went over as they all wanted to get a husband. Unfortunately for them joining ISIS to get a husband is just moronic ,if they try to get back in the uk lengthy jail time and 24 hour monitoring for the rest of their lives. Because they might be school girls but they could return even more brainwashed and deluded which makes them a threat to public safety

[CRH99]

so you support people joining ISIS then?

i dont support people joining ISIS. i support their right to associate with whoever they want.

[SethfromMI]

i dont support people joining ISIS. i support their right to associate with whoever they want.

then you support people joining ISIS

[Vlerchan]

i support their right to associate with whoever they want.
Just to be clear about all this.

Does that mean you support overturning all immigration regulations?

That would be the logical conclusion of this political right being seen as extending outside a given legal jurisdiction (i.e., being universal).

If so, how do you intend to decide on the basis of a given electorate?

[TheBigUnit]

i dont support people joining ISIS. i support their right to associate with whoever they want.

Yeah i think i get what you mean, kind of like "free will" correct me if im wrong


That being said these girls are convicted of having intentions of joining isis, which is simply unacceptable, it's similar to getting caught with plotting to kill someone, there's prob more evidence showing their intention than just plane tickets to syria, though that is a major red flag as the american consulate there is closed due to it being a warzone

[CRH99]

Yeah i think i get what you mean, kind of like "free will" correct me if im wrong


That being said these girls are convicted of having intentions of joining isis, which is simply unacceptable, it's similar to getting caught with plotting to kill someone, there's prob more evidence showing their intention than just plane tickets to syria, though that is a major red flag as the american consulate there is closed due to it being a warzone

exactly. FREE WILL. people don't like the KKK, but should you be prosecuted for joining them? i get that ISIS is heavily frowned upon, and hated for the most part, but it isnt a crime to join them. Now if you are so shallow as to think that i support ISIS, well, i really don't care.

[Left Now]

exactly. FREE WILL. people don't like the KKK, but should you be prosecuted for joining them? i get that ISIS is heavily frowned upon, and hated for the most part, but it isnt a crime to join them. Now if you are so shallow as to think that i support ISIS, well, i really don't care.

But they also do not have to forget that Free Will is not Free (costless) in this matter.If you want to go and join ISIS,then no problem,but you are not a nationalist of that country anymore.

[TheBigUnit]

but it isnt a crime to join them

theoretically joining isis automatically makes you a terrorist, so yeah after joining it is

[Vlerchan]

CRH99:

I would appreciate a response to my argument when you get a chance.

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It's also the case that individuals joining organisations which expresses such violent tendencies towards the state would be committing treason and this the state stands to limit the right to associate on this basis. But I'm ignoring the obvious argument here because arguing from the perspective of jurisprudence is more fun.

[Meh Guy]

All laws and such aside, I've heard too many stories of terrorists and such doing all these things where innocent people are hurt or killed. And the next line following that?

"The suspect was a known/suspected terrorist"

Even if these teens were to come back, you think they would be like, oh yeah we changed our minds... I'd be locking them up as a danger to society.

[roadwarrior]

lol, i just laugh when i read this.. some of the first world people are going crazy nowadays....

[HUSTLEMAN]

1. There is at least one thing we all agree on and it is that ISIS is a terrorist organization and that we are all sane enough to that it would be rather unwise for us to join up -with them or support them in the slightest.

Now with that said ITS FUCKING ISIS these girls are trying to join. ISIS ladies and gentlemen, the same ISIS the even Al-Queda condemned and for all the shit they've pulled off that is saying something. Who in their right mind can for one second defend the decision of anyone to go to ISIS, I don't care if they were teenage outcasts trying to look for a man. I don't care if the entire European continent viewed them as outcasts that doesn't give you the right or even the privilege to run away, hop on a plane, willingly hop on that said plane to go to Iraq and/or Syria, and they moment you land decide "Oh Gee, I'm think today is the day to join ISIS so I can get myself a man Yeaahhh." Hell No. If anything if they actually do make it and join the organization itself, clerks, information specialists. They won't fight. They're not going to make any changes. Life as a sex slave is in their future and once they bear the child of whoever militant knocked them up, they better pray its a boy or they are dead. Or you know, there's a chance that they get cold feet and decide to want to return to the UK. No my sisters, its just not going to happen. They're trapped because they've seen at least some of the ISIS operation. If they escape then we're going to see them on a tape somewhere being beheaded or something to that effect. If they do return then they would be arrested on the spot, they will be put on trial for treason, found guilty, and put away for life or maybe even given the death penalty. IDIOTS are what they are. The people that are defending them, saying that they're just teenagers must've lost their minds. We are all teenagers here. We have all done something that we knew was irrational and idiotic but did it anyway because we wanted to get back at whoever did us wrong. Now our morals and conscience tells us that it would be a bad idea to kill someone, or join some sort of cult or group to the effect of ISIS because we've been shut out from society. That's common sense. That is showing us that your are still sane. Well these jokers must've lost their minds if they felt the need, the urge to join this group. I'm just not understanding how anyone can defend them, those girls are our age basically. No matter how hurt I may have been, no matter rejected and detached from society I have become it just wouldn't come to mind the idea , the possibility of joining ISIS or any other terrorist group for that matter. I just can't defend that bullshit at all. Those jokers are insane and anyone that are defending them on the weak basis of maturity level are just as insane as those two girls. I'm done.

[DoodleSnap]

Just like everyone else who supports IS; they are just as much victims as they are criminals. To be manipulated and persuaded into supporting a ridiculous cause is the doing of higher, smarter, more malicious forces. What we need here are preventative, not deterrent measures.

[CRH99]

CRH99:

I would appreciate a response to my argument when you get a chance.

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It's also the case that individuals joining organisations which expresses such violent tendencies towards the state would be committing treason and this the state stands to limit the right to associate on this basis. But I'm ignoring the obvious argument here because arguing from the perspective of jurisprudence is more fun.

technically it would be treason, however war has not been formally declared on ISIS, so if you took it to the supreme court it could go either way. However, the UK has NOT declared war on ISIS in any manner, really, so the british girls remain within their rights.

[Vlerchan]

However, the UK has NOT declared war on ISIS in any manner, really, so the british girls remain within their rights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_intervention_against_the_Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant#British_a irstrikes

Regardless membership of ISIL is also illegal, as it's a proscribed terrorist organisation [P. 10] (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/417888/Proscription-20150327.pdf), so it's not within their rights.

You also still haven't dealt with the original argument I posed contained here (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3097346&postcount=49).

[SethfromMI]

1. There is at least one thing we all agree on and it is that ISIS is a terrorist organization and that we are all sane enough to that it would be rather unwise for us to join up -with them or support them in the slightest.

Now with that said ITS FUCKING ISIS these girls are trying to join. ISIS ladies and gentlemen, the same ISIS the even Al-Queda condemned and for all the shit they've pulled off that is saying something. Who in their right mind can for one second defend the decision of anyone to go to ISIS, I don't care if they were teenage outcasts trying to look for a man. I don't care if the entire European continent viewed them as outcasts that doesn't give you the right or even the privilege to run away, hop on a plane, willingly hop on that said plane to go to Iraq and/or Syria, and they moment you land decide "Oh Gee, I'm think today is the day to join ISIS so I can get myself a man Yeaahhh." Hell No. If anything if they actually do make it and join the organization itself, clerks, information specialists. They won't fight. They're not going to make any changes. Life as a sex slave is in their future and once they bear the child of whoever militant knocked them up, they better pray its a boy or they are dead. Or you know, there's a chance that they get cold feet and decide to want to return to the UK. No my sisters, its just not going to happen. They're trapped because they've seen at least some of the ISIS operation. If they escape then we're going to see them on a tape somewhere being beheaded or something to that effect. If they do return then they would be arrested on the spot, they will be put on trial for treason, found guilty, and put away for life or maybe even given the death penalty. IDIOTS are what they are. The people that are defending them, saying that they're just teenagers must've lost their minds. We are all teenagers here. We have all done something that we knew was irrational and idiotic but did it anyway because we wanted to get back at whoever did us wrong. Now our morals and conscience tells us that it would be a bad idea to kill someone, or join some sort of cult or group to the effect of ISIS because we've been shut out from society. That's common sense. That is showing us that your are still sane. Well these jokers must've lost their minds if they felt the need, the urge to join this group. I'm just not understanding how anyone can defend them, those girls are our age basically. No matter how hurt I may have been, no matter rejected and detached from society I have become it just wouldn't come to mind the idea , the possibility of joining ISIS or any other terrorist group for that matter. I just can't defend that bullshit at all. Those jokers are insane and anyone that are defending them on the weak basis of maturity level are just as insane as those two girls. I'm done.

:yes: exactly see. there is no logical defense to it. the only way one can defend it, is if they defend the right for people to join terrorists organizations

[CRH99]

[QUOTE=Vlerchan;3106353]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_intervention_against_the_Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant#British_a irstrikes

Regardless membership of ISIL is also illegal, as it's a proscribed terrorist organisation [P. 10] (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/417888/Proscription-20150327.pdf), so it's not within their rights.

I was incorrect about it being within their rights as a citizen of the UK, however they are still within their rights if they were american. The UK prevents any association, promotion and whatnot of terrorist organizations, and these are punishable offenses. In the US, you can only be convicted if you have direct involvement in a terrorist act, or provide funds to a terrorist organization.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2339B

[Vlerchan]

In the US, you can only be convicted if you have direct involvement in a terrorist act, or provide funds to a terrorist organization.
[Emphasis added:] Whoever knowingly provides material support or resources to a foreign terrorist organization, or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both, and, if the death of any person results, shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2339B

I'm sure a good prosecutor could get a conviction on the grounds of conspiracy.

But I don't know enough about US law to make these judgements. I study law in Ireland.

[CRH99]

[Emphasis added:] Whoever knowingly provides material support or resources to a foreign terrorist organization, or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both, and, if the death of any person results, shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2339B

I'm sure a good prosecutor could get a conviction on the grounds of conspiracy.

But I don't know enough about US law to make these judgements. I study law in Ireland.

the conspiracy to provide funds or material support, not associating with the group. and a good prosecutor can do anything, make no mistake of that.

[Vlerchan]

the conspiracy to provide funds or material support, not associating with the group.
Joining ISIL would be the equivalent of providing material support in my view.

The Patriot Act defines material support as:

[My Emphasis:] (1) the term “material support or resources” means any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel (1 or more individuals who may be or include oneself), and transportation, except medicine or religious materials;

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2339A

So, yeah, probably not even that good a prosecutor.

[ally-mai]

I'm a British Teen and, personally I don't want them back. They don't want to be here so why should we have them. They're old enough to understand the consequences so they should deal with them.

[fairmaiden]

I don't think they should be allowed back here. If they come back, they could be deliberately sent to cause chaos. Their minds would have most likely been poisoned while they're out there.

It was a very silly thing for them to do as people are not treated well by ISIS; especially women.

[fairmaiden]

mODS DELETE THIS PLS I DOUBLE POSTED BY ACCIDENT

[Uranus]

I don't think they should be allowed back here. If they come back, they could be deliberately sent to cause chaos. Their minds would have most likely been poisoned while they're out there.

It was a very silly thing for them to do as people are not treated well by ISIS; especially women.

I don't think they should be allowed back here. If they come back, they could be deliberately sent to cause chaos. Their minds would have most likely been poisoned while they're out there.

It was a very silly thing for them to do as people are not treated well by ISIS; especially women.


Double Posting FTW! :D
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But I agree with you. And it was very silly

[fairmaiden]

Double Posting FTW! :D
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But I agree with you. And it was very silly
my stupid browser never fails to embarrass me ugh

[Uranus]

my stupid browser never fails to embarrass me ugh

Lmao :D:D:D:D