Shooting at Copenhagen blasphemy seminar

[Exocet]

Enough!

Reports of the assailants shouting in Arabic.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/81012000/jpg/_81012165_denmark.jpg

Danish police have said three officers were shot and wounded at blasphemy debate in Copenhagen where the French ambassador was speaking.

Two gunmen are said to be still at large.

Reports say up to 40 shots were fired outside the venue in the Danish capital.

Controversial Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks, who has drawn caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, was also present at the debate.

Shortly after the attack, a message appeared on the Twitter feed of French ambassador Francois Zimeray saying he was unharmed.

The area around the venue, reportedly a cafe, is under lockdown, the BBC's Malcolm Brabant reports.

Police have erected cordons and are searching a nearby park, he adds.

Lars Vilks stoked controversy in 2007 by drawing pictures of the Prophet Muhammad dressed as a dog.



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31472423

[Stronk Serb]

I find it sad that some Muslim immigrants run away from the Middle East to Europe in search of a better life but make it miserable for the rest, especially the native population. They came to the European countries and they MUST abide their laws and customs, if I got to Saudi Arabia, I would respect their laws and customs, no matter how degenerate I find them, I expect the same from the. They haven't been living for a thousand or so years here. They are mere guests and when guests get ornery, they get kicked out. Of course, I'm talking about the law-breaking immigrants. The law-abiding ones I am okay with.

[Exocet]

I wanted to share this (even if i think i'll be banned... anyway)



THE MUSLIMS ARE NOT HAPPY!

They're not happy in Gaza ..
They're not happy in Egypt ..
They're not happy in Libya ..
They're not happy in Morocco ..
They're not happy in Iran ..
They're not happy in Iraq ..
They're not happy in Yemen ..
They're not happy in Afghanistan ..
They're not happy in Pakistan ..
They're not happy in Syria ..
They're not happy in Lebanon ..

SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?

They're happy in Australia ..
They're happy in Canada..
They're happy in England ..
They're happy in France ..
They're happy in Italy ..
They're happy in Germany ..
They're happy in Sweden ..
They're happy in the USA ..
They're happy in Norway ..
They're happy in Holland ..
They're happy in Denmark ..

Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim and unhappy in every country that is!

AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?
Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.

THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!
And then they want to change those countries to be like the country they came from where they were unhappy!


It is the truth,even if it hurts.

[Stronk Serb]

I wanted to share this (even if i think i'll be banned... anyway)



It is the truth,even if it hurts.

Iran is the closest thing you have to a civilized nation in the Middle East. Just saying. Also I haven't heard of Iranian immigrants stirring shit up. Only Arab Muslims, albeit a small probably sexually frustrated brainwashed minority.

[Left Now]

They're not happy in Iran ..

Funny,because only 0.01 of permanent immigrants from Iran to other countries are considered Muslims (Shia and Sunni).So don't tell me that "Muslims are not Happy in Iran!"while even most majority of minorities are.

Iran is the closest thing you have to a civilized nation in the Middle East. Just saying. Also I haven't heard of Iranian immigrants stirring shit up. Only Arab Muslims, albeit a small probably sexually frustrated brainwashed minority.

And do you know why?Unfortunately most of the Sunni Islamic centers and Mosques throughout the world (excluding Iran and other Muslim countries which are neighboring it,except Turkey and Pakistan),specially the ones which are in Europe and America and some other Islamic countries,are heavily influenced by Al-Az'har Mosque-University in Egypt (Once a shining example of religious school and real Islamic teachings under Fatimids' rule who actually built both it and the city Cairo itself in 10th century,now a shining turd of extremism and heavily corrupted teachings)which is right now in control of "Muslim Brotherhood" which itself is heavily influenced by "Wahabi" Centers in Saudi Arabia and by Saudis themselves,so their teachings are unfortunately mostly against main and real Islamic teachings.Incidents like this and Charlie Hebdo are usually grave results of this influence.

And guess what?Saudi Arabia is the most responsible thing for birth of "Modern Terrorism" in both region and globe,for it was them alongside UAE and Pakistan who during Afghan Civil War,supported extremist groups like Taliban and Al-Qaeda against a moderate "Northern Alliance" and "Ahmad Shah Massoud" and "Burhan ad'din Rabbani",and funded and equipped them through Pakistan,which caused Taliban comes into power in Afghanistan and then first sparks of so-called "Islamic Terrorism" got lit,with 9/11 be one of its consequences.

And guess what?Saudi Arabia at the very same time was strongly supported both politically and militarily by some Western Powers,particularly United States,against their mutual enemy, "Islamic Republic of Iran" and still are.

So I think now we all can guess who is responsible for most of these messes,right?Just see where Rat's tail leads.

It is the truth,even if it hurts.

[Stronk Serb]

Funny,because only 0.01 of permanent immigrants from Iran to other countries are considered Muslims (Shia and Sunni).So don't tell me that "Muslims are not Happy in Iran!"while even most majority of minorities are.



And do you know why?Unfortunately most of the Sunni Islamic centers and Mosques throughout the world (excluding Iran and other Muslim countries which are neighboring it,except Turkey and Pakistan),specially the ones which are in Europe and America and some other Islamic countries,are heavily influenced by Al-Az'har Mosque-University in Egypt (Once a shining example of religious school and real Islamic teachings under Fatimids' rule who actually built both it and the city Cairo itself in 10th century,now a shining turd of extremism and heavily corrupted teachings)which is right now in control of "Muslim Brotherhood" which itself is heavily influenced by "Wahabi" Centers in Saudi Arabia and by Saudis themselves,so their teachings are unfortunately mostly against main and real Islamic teachings.Incidents like this and Charlie Hebdo are usually grave results of this influence.

And guess what?Saudi Arabia is the most responsible thing for birth of "Modern Terrorism" in both region and globe,for it was them alongside UAE and Pakistan who during Afghan Civil War,supported extremist groups like Taliban and Al-Qaeda against a moderate "Northern Alliance" and "Ahmad Shah Massoud" and "Burhan ad'din Rabbani",and funded and equipped them through Pakistan,which caused Taliban comes into power in Afghanistan and then first sparks of so-called "Islamic Terrorism" got lit,with 9/11 be one of its consequences.

And guess what?Saudi Arabia at the very same time was strongly supported both politically and militarily by some Western Powers,particularly United States,against their mutual enemy, "Islamic Republic of Iran" and still are.

So I think now we all can guess who is responsible for most of these messes,right?Just see where Rat's tail leads.

If I was in power in Serbia, I would punish all kinds of extremism Roman style. Hangings and crucifictions along highways, public executions. The whole world will know that nobody disturbs the order and gets away with it. I also think this is the way the Islamic State survivors should be dealt with. Also somebody needs to introduce the Arab world with secularism and civil liberties

[Left Now]

If I was in power in Serbia, I would punish all kinds of extremism Roman style. Hangings and crucifictions along highways, public executions. The whole world will know that nobody disturbs the order and gets away with it. I also think this is the way the Islamic State survivors should be dealt with. Also somebody needs to introduce the Arab world with secularism and civil liberties

Actually,exactly the time Secularism and Civil Freedoms in their European and Western styles,were introduced to most of Arab world and alongside it Turkey,this mess began to happen!It gave such groups like "Muslim Brotherhood" and others too much social and political freedom, so then they became able to preach their beliefs and ideas among other Muslims in the world (Mostly Western Countries and most of the Arab countries) even easier and faster than other seriously-more moderate Islamic groups,since they were supported by Saudi Arabia,and had access to great financial and political support throughout the world via oil money of Saudis.

Someone needs to convince people that,Western Style of "Separation of Religion and State" does not work well everywhere,and trying to radically change anything will just make the situation worse.Sometimes many religious restrictions themselves are strongest bans in the way of extremism and violence,but only a few understand it.

[That's the Spirit]

If I was in power in Serbia, I would punish all kinds of extremism Roman style. Hangings and crucifictions along highways, public executions. The whole world will know that nobody disturbs the order and gets away with it. I also think this is the way the Islamic State survivors should be dealt with. Also somebody needs to introduce the Arab world with secularism and civil liberties

I agree, some things you can't fight peacefully but martyrs and those who are prepared to die for their cause must be punished severely.
Liberals can't seem to understand this and believe that talking to and 'acting nice' to the terrorists is the way forwards, sadly not.

I really commend Iran, although not the richest or powerful in the Middle East, they are the most civilised with respect and laws. Saudi OTOH...

[Vlerchan]

Liberals can't seem to understand this and believe that talking to and 'acting nice' to the terrorists is the way forwards, sadly not.
When have Liberals gone done this?

[That's the Spirit]

When have Liberals gone done this?

Condemning the treatment of those in Guantanamo Bay, even those with considerable evidence against their names.

[Vlerchan]

Condemning the treatment of those in Guantanamo Bay, even those with considerable evidence against their names.
It's sort of sad that you equate 'acting nice' with 'not needlessly torturing people'.

If this is the standard you're using though I guess I agree.

[Stronk Serb]

Actually,exactly the time Secularism and Civil Freedoms in their European and Western styles,were introduced to most of Arab world and alongside it Turkey,this mess began to happen!It gave such groups like "Muslim Brotherhood" and others too much social and political freedom, so then they became able to preach their beliefs and ideas among other Muslims in the world (Mostly Western Countries and most of the Arab countries) even easier and faster than other seriously-more moderate Islamic groups,since they were supported by Saudi Arabia,and had access to great financial and political support throughout the world via oil money of Saudis.

Someone needs to convince people that,Western Style of "Separation of Religion and State" does not work well everywhere,and trying to radically change anything will just make the situation worse.Sometimes many religious restrictions themselves are strongest bans in the way of extremism and violence,but only a few understand it.

Ban preaching of religious extremism and prosecute and punish it severely. Maybe Roman style is a bit far fetched, especially in Arab states since it would create martyrs but extremism needs to be stopped by legislative and educational means. Hangings along highways could work in Iraq and Syria to deter future rebellions, especially in Iraq which is a volatile region. Sometimes it's better to rule through fear of force than through force itself. If the wannabe extremist is too afraid of being lynched and then hanged on the highway, he won't do it. Especially when he sees his colleagues. This could apply to non-muslim countries which are targeted by extremists.

[phuckphace]

I wanted to share this (even if i think i'll be banned... anyway)

It is the truth,even if it hurts.

our globalized, multicultural world has created a parasitical Third World that would rather coast off Western success (while augmenting it with white guilt) than try to create their own success as we have.

everyone hates white people, but they sure do love our money

[That's the Spirit]

Hangings along highways could work in Iraq and Syria to deter future rebellions, especially in Iraq which is a volatile region.

I fear democracy will not work in Iraq.
Religion plays a far bigger role in the people's lives than the politics. What's needed is either a strong dictatorship (Saddam) or a wide scale education program and a dampening down of Religion.

The country needs more politiques (16/17th Centure French term referring to those who put the success and state of the country above all else).

All that's going to happen here (along with Afghanistan), like Vietnam, is after all the money that has been spent, the country shan't improve; the real issue of educating and combating Guerilla Warfare was not done to a great deal of success, again like Vietnam.

[Vlerchan]

Third World that would rather coast off Western success (while augmenting it with white guilt) than try to create their own success as we have.
Our success is built on Imperialism.

Considering the socio-historical development of the world independent of this is pretty redundant.

[Thunderstorm]

The Muslims loathe religious freedom and freedom of speech, yet they flee their own country in an attempt to express themselves. Oh the irony.

[phuckphace]

The Muslims loathe religious freedom and freedom of speech, yet they flee their own country in an attempt to express themselves. Oh the irony.

they see Western society as decadent and immoral (it is) and feel it is their religious duty to impose their values on us. however there are far more practical and expedient ways to remove degeneracy besides adopting alien values from foreign cultures/religions at the price of our own extinction.

[Sugaree]

The Muslims loathe religious freedom and freedom of speech, yet they flee their own country in an attempt to express themselves. Oh the irony.

They loathe it because they were taught to loathe it. Freedom of expression or any type of personal freedom is seen as absolute evil. Unless it is specifically condoned by whatever religious law they follow, it is evil. They live by the sword, they die by the sword basically. It's something I never understood, and probably never will.

they see Western society as decadent and immoral (it is) and feel it is their religious duty to impose their values on us. however there are far more practical and expedient ways to remove degeneracy besides adopting alien values from foreign cultures/religions at the price of our own extinction.

Whether or not Western society is immoral or degenerate (which I actually agree with to an extent) is another topic for debate. I'll be honest, one of the reasons I hate colleges in the United States is because of the presence of Muslims on campus. It's not just a radical minority, like most liberals claim, that is trying to impose their views; it's each and every single one. These people, if you can even call them that, don't believe that anyone should have freedom in any form. It's why I left college.

Islam, out of all religions, should be wiped off the face of the earth.

[phuckphace]

Whether or not Western society is immoral or degenerate (which I actually agree with to an extent) is another topic for debate. I'll be honest, one of the reasons I hate colleges in the United States is because of the presence of Muslims on campus. It's not just a radical minority, like most liberals claim, that is trying to impose their views; it's each and every single one. These people, if you can even call them that, don't believe that anyone should have freedom in any form. It's why I left college.

I actually didn't realize US universities had such a problem infestation (all my Muslim friends living overseas tell me that coming to the US even temporarily for education is notoriously difficult, convoluted and basically impossible) but then again I don't find it too surprising either given that universities are propaganda mills in general.

Islam, out of all religions, should be wiped off the face of the earth.

it's a pity that our current foreign policy as well as the discovery of oil in the Middle East ended up breathing new life into a religion and its region that had been mostly irrelevant for centuries prior. we buy Saudi Arabia's oil, and the Saudi government uses that money to boost Wahhabi Islam, the especially fanatical variety. this will continue to be a serious problem until the oil runs out, after which they will slide back into irrelevance.

[dirtyboxer55]

ban islam

[Vlerchan]

Oh god.

The Muslims loathe religious freedom and freedom of speech, yet they flee their own country in an attempt to express themselves. Oh the irony.
I have no idea why you're referring to Muslims as if they are some monolithic organism.

I'm not sure about the Copenhagen attacks but the Paris attacks where also committed by second generation immigrants - i.e., it's not as described above. Most Muslims in France are poor - see: their above average joblessness - and this contributes to their delinquentisation: Your average French Muslim is less educated than your average member of the general population. French civil societies ensuing rejection of them is grounds for their radicalisation: feeling marginalised, young Muslims are more inclined to identify with exterior entities.

see: Nora Fellag (2014) 'The Muslim Label: How French North Africans Have Become “Muslims” and not “Citizens”' Journal on Ethnopolitics and Minority Issues in Europe 13(4) p. 1-25. (http://www.ecmi.de/fileadmin/downloads/publications/JEMIE/2014/Fellag.pdf)

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It's not just a radical minority, like most liberals claim, that is trying to impose their views; it's each and every single one.
Please present verifiable evidence supporting this claim. Thank you.

Spoiler: I know at least one Muslim who isn't a radical so this is just a case of seeing how wrong you are.

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they see Western society as decadent and immoral (it is) and feel it is their religious duty to impose their values on us.
Except this isn't what motivates Islamists as stated in their own writings.

Unless AQ et al. are lying to everyone.

I actually didn't realize US universities had such a problem infestation
From the statistics I've seen compiled, Muslims - Arabs, Afro-Mahgrebis - make of a small proportion of US students.

Like it's so few they are tossed into the other category.

I would imagine they just stick out because they are Muslim.

[B]reathing new life into a religion and its region that had been mostly irrelevant for centuries prior.
Except - y'know - the pretty colossal Ottoman empire that existed.

I essentially agree though.

all my Muslim friends living overseas tell me that coming to the US even temporarily for education is notoriously difficult, convoluted and basically impossible
The crafty Muslim is well known for its complete and utter disingenuity?

[Arkansasguy]

Actually,exactly the time Secularism and Civil Freedoms in their European and Western styles,were introduced to most of Arab world and alongside it Turkey,this mess began to happen!It gave such groups like "Muslim Brotherhood" and others too much social and political freedom, so then they became able to preach their beliefs and ideas among other Muslims in the world (Mostly Western Countries and most of the Arab countries) even easier and faster than other seriously-more moderate Islamic groups,since they were supported by Saudi Arabia,and had access to great financial and political support throughout the world via oil money of Saudis.

Someone needs to convince people that,Western Style of "Separation of Religion and State" does not work well everywhere,and trying to radically change anything will just make the situation worse.Sometimes many religious restrictions themselves are strongest bans in the way of extremism and violence,but only a few understand it.

Separation of religion and state doesn't work well anywhere. It's turned the west into a degenerate pothole, and has done the same to some extent in parts of the ME. You Muslims would do well to use every lawful means of fighting off this scourge from destroying your countries.

[World Eater]

Oh god.

That was also my response.

Also, I have met over dozens of foreign exchange students over the past decade, many of whom are Muslims and are not blasting about how the west sucks or does something stupid (except when it does). I've met only ONE Muslim who was extremely anti-USA. To my knowledge I believe he's chilled out some, as far as Pakistani go.

[Lovelife090994]

Islam is showing some gruesome colors.

[phuckphace]

Except - y'know - the pretty colossal Ottoman empire that existed.

I essentially agree though.

hence why I said mostly.

The crafty Muslim is well known for its complete and utter disingenuity?

nah, it was just surprising to hear after I'd been led to believe that people who hail from Islamic countries are typically turned away in greater numbers in US visa applications.

Edit:
Vlerchan: also note that I wasn't referring specifically to extremist groups like Al Qaida, ISIS et al. a number of Muslim immigrants in Western countries, especially Sweden have a habit of doing this, with some support from the fifth column known as the Social Democrats.

obviously not all Muslims do this, and most aren't extremists or even interested in prostelyzation, however this is the kind of result we can expect to get with lax immigration standards and a populace that is too timid to enforce them out of fear of being perceived as racist/xenophobic.