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twirlgurl

January 4th, 2015, 06:57 PM

qwfoi

January 4th, 2015, 07:25 PM

I think a lot of Africans are proud of their race because a long time ago they were slaves to Europeans (I think) and so they're proud that they survived that and eventually "resolved" the problem. It's a hard question really, I'm proud of being British and a European so I guess it's just who you are and what you think like... ;)

twirlgurl

January 4th, 2015, 07:33 PM

But being British or European isnt a race. Thats a nationality. Or maybe im confused. Im proud that im American, in TODAY's America. But not that im a "white" American. Or a "Blond" American. Or a "White Blond with a birthmark on my left leg American" -- because like... how does any of that other stuff matter? And Slavery happened a long time ago. hundreds of years ago. That wasnt even our parents parents parents generation. I dunno. Its not like it matters either way to be proud of something. It doesnt hurt anything or anyone. just confusing why its SOOO important to be all PC about race i guess.

Beth

January 4th, 2015, 07:53 PM

In my opinion be proud of who you are. It doesn't matter of race, religion, sex,nationally, sexual orientation, weather you have blonde or black hair, short or tall statured, heavey or thin. It doesn't matter. You are who you are just love yourself and be proud of who or what you are. What I'm saying is it not what you are is important its who you are.

SethfromMI

January 4th, 2015, 08:29 PM

I never really thought of it. i mean, i am happy I am with who I am and I like the way I look at stuff, but it has never been a pride thing or something like that

Elysium

January 4th, 2015, 08:38 PM

I think it's important to be proud of some part of your identity that society has shamed, degraded, and undermined. Saying "I'm proud to be black" is different than "I'm proud to be white" because one reflects an overcoming of adversity and stigma, and the other is comparatively rather pointless.

fairmaiden

January 4th, 2015, 11:22 PM

I don't think I've ever said that I'm proud to be black or anything like that. But I have seen people say it, and it's kind of hard to describe, but I think its what Elysium said.

I think the reason I never say that I'm proud to be black is probably because people around me would find the situation incredibly awkward and wouldn't really know what to say so that's why I don't really say anything aha.

TheN3rdyOutcast

January 4th, 2015, 11:32 PM

Well, I guess it's better to be ashamed. I'm ashamed to be half black, I'm ashamed to be mixed, I'm ashamed to be a male, I'm somewhat ashamed to be gay, and at times I'm ashamed to be a human.

Horatio Nelson

January 4th, 2015, 11:41 PM

I'm proud of my race, of course. Just because I'm white/Hispanic doesn't mean it's all rainbows and unicorns. My grandpa was born dirt poor working tobacco fields in Florida. My other grandfather had a similar upbringing. I don't know where people get the notion that being white just automatically makes things better. Everyone has struggles, no matter the color of your skin.

But don't get me wrong, racism is a real thing, there are people who feel they are better just because of the level of pigmentation (or lack thereof) in their skin. Which is utter bullshit.

BlackParadePixie

January 5th, 2015, 02:17 PM

You should just be proud to be you, no matter what your ethnic background or skin color is.

Allbutanillusion

January 10th, 2015, 05:13 PM

Ok the other post about racism got me thinking.

Should I be "proud" that im white?? Or should I use the word "caucasion"? (which is totally dont get) And if so -- WHY?? I didnt DO anything to "be white". I didnt earn my color or my heritage. Maybe my great great relations had struggles and should be proud, but I didnt So...what's to be proud of?

I see this with lots of things. "Proud to be Black/African" -- except you didnt have a choice, and you were BORN in the U.S, and Africa isnt a country, its a contienent. Should I be "proud that im a North American?" Note that im not being specific to any one race. This could be American Indian, or Asian, or whatever.

I dont want to seem insensitive to anyone. HONEST. Im not a racist at all. But i dont understand the whole "pride" thing. CULTURE yes! That I get. But Race??? Um... no. I dont get that at all. Can someone explain?

I would agree with the statement "You should just be proud to be you, no matter what your ethnic background or skin color is."

The fact that you are even asking this question seem to indicate that someone has tried to convince you of the existence of of the non-existent boogieman called "White Privilege" We live in an age of "White Privilege" nonsense but don't give it a second of your time.

If the same attitude that is displayed in the "White Privilege" Myth was displayed toward any other race...it would be called out for what it really is.. racist/bigoted and civil rights groups would be look to sue everyone associated with it. But for some odd reason it is fashionable to be bigoted toward whites and it is going to get a lot worse so get use to it.

David_L2

January 12th, 2015, 12:58 AM

You should just be proud to be you, no matter what your ethnic background or skin color is.

I agree and disagree...."you" is a lot of things - we are individuals but we are also, Greek, Scottish (there is no single "White" race), African, Chinese, etc...we are also sons/daughters that are parts of families and neighbourhoods...

Think a lot of people celebrate their background/heritage because its a big part of who they are...The culture of N. America is already largely "white" so a lot of things we do that are celebrations don't stand out in our minds like Christmas, Thanksgiving, St. Patricks Day etc as cultural celebrations, but things like Chinese New Years or Cinco de Mayo do

I like what you said, but I think there's more to it than that. Also, we don't live in a perfect society, and I do think for people that are minorities (who often do get discriminated) it is important that they have celebrations or do things that give them pride about their background and remind them how much their people have achieved....

dirtyboxer55

January 13th, 2015, 08:25 PM

Well, I guess it's better to be ashamed. I'm ashamed to be half black, I'm ashamed to be mixed, I'm ashamed to be a male, I'm somewhat ashamed to be gay, and at times I'm ashamed to be a human.

lol
why would anyone be ashamed of things they cant change

TheN3rdyOutcast

January 13th, 2015, 09:53 PM

lol
why would anyone be ashamed of things they cant change

It's just that, it's a label that you simply have to make do with, something that no matter how hard you try to pull off of yourself, it will never fully happen.

Karkat

January 13th, 2015, 10:08 PM

I personally feel that it's pointless to be proud of ANYTHING you had no hand in- country you were born in and color of your skin included.

Culture is a bit different, because you may have grown up with it, but any nationality and skin color could've.So there again.

(Also, afaik "caucasian" refers to where [white people] came from. White, like black, red, and yellow are technically slang that has wedged its way into everyday speech. [but mostly white and black of course- red and yellow being considered more offensive...For some reason?])

I would agree with the statement "You should just be proud to be you, no matter what your ethnic background or skin color is."

The fact that you are even asking this question seem to indicate that someone has tried to convince you of the existence of of the non-existent boogieman called "White Privilege" We live in an age of "White Privilege" nonsense but don't give it a second of your time.

If the same attitude that is displayed in the "White Privilege" Myth was displayed toward any other race...it would be called out for what it really is.. racist/bigoted and civil rights groups would be look to sue everyone associated with it. But for some odd reason it is fashionable to be bigoted toward whites and it is going to get a lot worse so get use to it.

You didn't even answer her question.

But anyways, the only ones (in predominantly white countries) who are attacking white people are Tumblr bloggers, and I'm pretty sure they're too overselfdiagnosed and triggered by everything in sight to form an army and attack. Calm down.

I agree and disagree...."you" is a lot of things - we are individuals but we are also, Greek, Scottish (there is no single "White" race), African, Chinese, etc...we are also sons/daughters that are parts of families and neighbourhoods...

Think a lot of people celebrate their background/heritage because its a big part of who they are...The culture of N. America is already largely "white" so a lot of things we do that are celebrations don't stand out in our minds like Christmas, Thanksgiving, St. Patricks Day etc as cultural celebrations, but things like Chinese New Years or Cinco de Mayo do

I like what you said, but I think there's more to it than that. Also, we don't live in a perfect society, and I do think for people that are minorities (who often do get discriminated) it is important that they have celebrations or do things that give them pride about their background and remind them how much their people have achieved....

Greek is a nationality and ethnicity, not a race...

Also, you do realize that the white people are all immigrants, right?? Life, I don't say this.... Well, ever, but I'm feeling pretty marginalized right now.

Contrary to what seems to be fairly popular belief, white people are from EUROPE, not Europe AND North America.

phuckphace

January 14th, 2015, 12:16 AM

I personally feel that it's pointless to be proud of ANYTHING you had no hand in- country you were born in and color of your skin included.

well you have to consider that racial pride is different than personal pride (referring to accomplishments.) being X race is obviously, as you said, not an accomplishment, so when someone says they're "proud to be X" it's simply signaling group allegiance, similar to patriotism. think about it like, "this is who I am, I'm happy and I wouldn't want to be anyone else."

Also, you do realize that the white people are all immigrants, right?? Life, I don't say this.... Well, ever, but I'm feeling pretty marginalized right now.

Contrary to what seems to be fairly popular belief, white people are from EUROPE, not Europe AND North America.

I think it would be more accurate to say that white Americans are colonists, not immigrants. an immigrant moves from country A to country B, whereas a colonist moves from country A to a new land and sets up a colony (a political and cultural outpost of country A). thus the US is an outpost of European culture with its own localized customs.

Karkat

January 14th, 2015, 12:44 AM

well you have to consider that racial pride is different than personal pride (referring to accomplishments.) being X race is obviously, as you said, not an accomplishment, so when someone says they're "proud to be X" it's simply signaling group allegiance, similar to patriotism. think about it like, "this is who I am, I'm happy and I wouldn't want to be anyone else."

I think it would be more accurate to say that white Americans are colonists, not immigrants. an immigrant moves from country A to country B, whereas a colonist moves from country A to a new land and sets up a colony (a political and cultural outpost of country A). thus the US is an outpost of European culture with its own localized customs.

I still consider patriotism pointless, so once again. But I see what you mean.

That's true, but either way, the point still stands- White people? Not from North America :P

juanita

January 19th, 2015, 07:09 PM

Seth Davies

January 20th, 2015, 01:55 PM

I know people who are an active part of a group that they are proud of, and that is OK. In addition to pride in personal achievement. I'm not sure that pride in the way any of the top few races is all that justified.

When you ask to be tied to, judged by, a group you choose to be part of (political group, gay movement, teachers) then you should be ready to stand behind all of what they do and stand for. There are not that many groups I approve of that whole heartedly. I am amused at how many people say they are strongly patriotic (ignoring the obvious truth of the world).

I am proud of the way I try to live my life. But proud to be part of a group, that is a really big claim.

tasminsmith

January 20th, 2015, 02:03 PM

im very proud because its part of who I am and im proud of myself. not being arrogant.

saoirse

January 21st, 2015, 04:10 AM

I never really got that whole 'be proud of your race' thing either. I don't think that my race defines me at all... It's just something that got passed down from my parents and their parents and so on... I do agree that you should accept yourself and how you look, and know that you can't change it. Don't be 'proud' of it, just accept it. The end.

Allbutanillusion

January 24th, 2015, 01:23 PM

I personally feel that it's pointless to be proud of ANYTHING you had no hand in- country you were born in and color of your skin included.

You didn't even answer her question.

But anyways, the only ones (in predominantly white countries) who are attacking white people are Tumblr bloggers, and I'm pretty sure they're too overselfdiagnosed and triggered by everything in sight to form an army and attack. Calm down.

WRONG, I did answer her question. Perhaps not in my own words but in agreement with what someone else stated

Yes it was off topic but I always find it comical(to put it kindly) when people point out that there are bigoted attitudes toward whites that there is someone who steps up and states that ...it should just be accepted, lets calm down , not draw attention to it, sweep it under the carpet, because to acknowledge it would mean that we would have to accept that other races are racist and heaven for bid that would debunk the only whites are or only can be racist MYTH! Now we definitely don't want that !

Karkat

January 24th, 2015, 09:35 PM

WRONG, I did answer her question. Perhaps not in my own words but in agreement with what someone else stated

Yes it was off topic but I always find it comical(to put it kindly) when people point out that there are bigoted attitudes toward whites that there is someone who steps up and states that ...it should just be accepted, lets calm down , not draw attention to it, sweep it under the carpet, because to acknowledge it would mean that we would have to accept that other races are racist and heaven for bid that would debunk the only whites are or only can be racist MYTH! Now we definitely don't want that !

Oh boo hoo, this has nothing to do with race, you're just mad that not everyone agrees with you.

There are certainly people who are prejudiced towards white and lighter-skinned people- I myself have been excluded because of it- but it is not nearly as rampant as the other way around nor is it as big of a problem, at least in the states. Most other first world countries. Places like that.

Colored people have the KKK to worry about, while white people have...SJW to be irritated at. There's the difference. Just like the fact that straight people, while some may hold prejudice against them, are not disadvantaged by large. They just have to deal with very shortsighted people who don't know how to use logic. Meanwhile, LGBT are threatened, bullied, beaten up, etc. etc.

Minorities are not some kind of protected group who just want to be pampered and treated like porcelain dolls, contrary to popular belief. They actually, you know, have a lot of shit to deal with that majority groups just don't.

Jaseblader

January 25th, 2015, 02:57 PM

Ok the other post about racism got me thinking.

Should I be "proud" that im white?? Or should I use the word "caucasion"? (which is totally dont get) And if so -- WHY?? I didnt DO anything to "be white". I didnt earn my color or my heritage. Maybe my great great relations had struggles and should be proud, but I didnt So...what's to be proud of?

I see this with lots of things. "Proud to be Black/African" -- except you didnt have a choice, and you were BORN in the U.S, and Africa isnt a country, its a contienent. Should I be "proud that im a North American?" Note that im not being specific to any one race. This could be American Indian, or Asian, or whatever.

I dont want to seem insensitive to anyone. HONEST. Im not a racist at all. But i dont understand the whole "pride" thing. CULTURE yes! That I get. But Race??? Um... no. I dont get that at all. Can someone explain?

The reason why African Americans specifically say "say it loud I'm black and I'm proud" is due to the civil rights movement and how being African American was seen as a negative so it was like saying I don't care I love it (btw I'm African American) And so it's ok to be proud of your race but saying it out loud depending on your race will get negative effects. It's up to you too be happy about your race but you have to do your history. For example many African Americans can't trace their heritage to Africa, so I have a personal list of countries and continents and races that I would be proud to say I am one if I was

DoodleSnap

January 26th, 2015, 04:37 PM

I refuse to acknowledge race in any meaningful debate. I only see culture, which is sometimes shared by a whole race, but is more oftenly national or regional. I have no issue with someone being proud of their culture, as long as it isn't conflated with superiority complexes. Saying an entire race has one culture that one should be proud of is generalising, and by extension, stupid. There are so many different cultures in one race that it would be ignorant on a vast scale to attempt at being proud of, for example, "white culture", or "black culture".

Babiole

January 28th, 2015, 11:36 AM

You should be proud of your race, no matter what race you are. Although in this day and age, it would probably be easier to say you're proud of being European than being white, since at least Europe has the association with art, history, and culture.

I think race is definitely real, but these days race no longer matters. My uncle is white and he's married to a black woman from Africa, and they've got two biracial kids.

I'm half French, half Sicilian and I'm damn proud of it. Every culture has something good about it. With Sicilian, it's definitely the food :D.

Babs

January 28th, 2015, 11:43 AM

Not all white people are Caucasian and not all Caucasians are white. So I find it weird how people sorta turned it into fancy term for white.
Be proud of your culture, I guess. But saying 'I'm proud to be white' sounds kinda... iffy.
also, lol at white people feeling indignant about discussion of racial inequality.

suzzysmith2012

January 28th, 2015, 08:57 PM

You are the person and race that you are. Even if you wanted it different, unfortunately that is out of everyone's power and control. Be happy and proud of your race, skin color and background, and seek to treat those people that are of a different race the same way you would want them treating you. Together we can make the world a more happy and livable place.

Drummer Ben

January 29th, 2015, 05:15 AM

Yes Black enterainment Network is a bit hypocritical don't you think? I say culture exits and race does not. I'm proud of where I come from. I am against the belief that the white owes it to the black man or that we should feel sorry for them. I don't call myself white though. I say for he most part I'm Italien and Austrian. The reason people jump to race is they want something they can hide behind. To attract attention. Differences of color are pushed in the media to separate us even more like Black History Month. As Morgan Freeman said Black History Month should be every month. How do we get rid of racism, we need to stop talking about it.

Dalcourt

January 29th, 2015, 11:28 PM

Well, I'm not proud of my race or ashamed or whatever. Even though people think I'm black, I'm a mix of several races anyway...so what race should I be proud of ??
So personally I don't really care for the whole pride in your race thing. But fact is that there's a lot of racism and prejudice in the world and that makes me really sad cuz your race should not determine who you are or how people see you.