If Marijuana were legal

[Dante]

I know we have a thread asking if we should legalize marijuana..

Well I have a question.

If they did legalize marijuana, would you be inclined to smoke it? or would you still stay away? ( for those who do)

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

I smoke on occasion, and I wouldnt smoke it any more than I do. I just wouldn't have to be so secretive about it.

[*Dissident*]

I agree with the above poster, except that would end up letting me smoke more often, because the having to be discrete limits how often I can. I hopefully wouldnt make a huge habit of it, but I wouldnt just do it once a month or anything either.

[Andrew56]

I'd continue to avoid it all together. I like my brain and my body.

[Maverick]

Nope because its still unhealthy for the body.

[Serenity]

Never. Just like I have no interest in drinking, I have no interest in any drugs at all. There's just something about potentially not having control over or memory of what I do/say that really bothers me and freaks me the hell out. No, you couldn't pay me to.

[The Batman]

I wouldn't do it either cause my lungs are already bad enough I don't need smoke of any kind making them worse

[Prince Jellyfish]

*sigh* I'd be leading a much happier life...
[this post endorses illegal drug use]
=(

[Techno Monster]

I wouldn't do it because I hate the smell.

[The Batman]

[this post endorses illegal drug use]
=(

In case you didn't notice a global mod and counselor started this thread and its not saying do marijuana cause its illegal its saying if it was legal would you do it so your wrong.

[Prince Jellyfish]

In case you didn't notice a global mod and counselor started this thread and its not saying do marijuana cause its illegal its saying if it was legal would you do it so your wrong.

They aren't endorsing it but I am openly doing so. What's different about a moderator breaking the rules? Are they above the rules?

[The Batman]

He's not breaking the rules. I was just saying that he would know the rules and wouldn't break them. (sorry i misread your post on the above you were talking about yourself not him).

[Serenity]

Aand getting back on topic...now.

[Antares]

Never. Just like I have no interest in drinking, I have no interest in any drugs at all. There's just something about potentially not having control over or memory of what I do/say that really bothers me and freaks me the hell out. No, you couldn't pay me to.

I feel the exact same way. I have seen people get all sick from that crap and would rather steer clear. So Val basically summed it up for me.

Also, guys bottom line is just to not endorse drug use (jokingly or seriously). That way it avoids confustion :cool:

[Break the Cage]

It wouldn't affect my usage at all. Except the time it takes to pick up sometimes...

[IfPiratesCouldFly]

My weed intake would immencely increase.

[Nihilus]

I'd Avoid it anyway. Drugs Destroy your brain and body>:mad:

[Atonement]

I would stay away for the same reason I stay away from cigarettes. Smoking marijuana is about 10 times (medically) worse for you than cigarettes. The cancer risks are through the roof. I would never smoke ANY. It is just plan out unresponsible to do. No offense meant to anyone, but just my opinion.

[Prince Jellyfish]

I just noticed a grammatical error in this thread's topic...
*sigh*

[*Dissident*]

I see many, many, MANY myths, falsities, and DARE propaganda here. I don't want to get another warning about endorsing drug use, but really guys, marijuana does not destroy your "brain and body" and you still have complete control of your actions. Take it from a first hand account.


Also, "If Marijuana Were Legal"

[Prince Jellyfish]

I see many, many, MANY myths, falsities, and DARE propaganda here. I don't want to get another warning about endorsing drug use, but really guys, marijuana does not destroy your "brain and body" and you still have complete control of your actions. Take it from a first hand account.


Also, "If Marijuana Were Legal"

On your first point: Thank you.
On your second point: THANK YOU!:yeah:

[MoveAlong]

I would not smoke Marijuana

[Patchy]

I never will try it whether its made legal or not

[0=]

I wouldn't smoke it because inhaling ash of any sort is bad for your lungs and I'm a runner, but I would be inclined to include it in baked goods.

[The Batman]

My brother has been smoking it for about a year and a half and this morning he woke up with the dreaded smokers cough.

[Atonement]

I see many, many, MANY myths, falsities, and DARE propaganda here. I don't want to get another warning about endorsing drug use, but really guys, marijuana does not destroy your "brain and body" and you still have complete control of your actions. Take it from a first hand account.


Also, "If Marijuana Were Legal"

Okay, but then how do you justify the part where it is scientifically proven from an independant study, that marijuana is ten times more likely to cause cancer? and twenty times more likely in the mouth region and lungs.

[IfPiratesCouldFly]

I just noticed a grammatical error in this thread's topic...
*sigh*

...? okayyy


anyway, wasn't weed once used for a treatment FOR cancer cos the weightloss in chemo? then some italian guy found it increased cancer cells...so that makes me struggle with my decision to keep smoking weed though, cos its fun and everything but i dont want cancer :/

[*Dissident*]

Let me let you in on a secret. Marijuana smoking does involve the inhalation of smoke. It does have more tar than a cigarette. But, it doesnt cause cancer like a cigarette. Show me one study that says it does, I'll show you ten, from better sources, that say that it does not. No one has ever died from to much marijuana (assuming marijuana was the only factor in their death).

But I feel as though I'm at risk for a probationary warning here. I'm just going to stop. the whole point of drug legalization is to be able to choose whether to use or not.

[Zephyr]

I've smoked it some in my time, but it's not my cup of tea due to the smell.

If it were legal I'd probably just smoke it socially.

[IfPiratesCouldFly]

Let me let you in on a secret. Marijuana smoking does involve the inhalation of smoke. It does have more tar than a cigarette. But, it doesnt cause cancer like a cigarette. Show me one study that says it does, I'll show you ten, from better sources, that say that it does not. No one has ever died from to much marijuana (assuming marijuana was the only factor in their death).

But I feel as though I'm at risk for a probationary warning here. I'm just going to stop. the whole point of drug legalization is to be able to choose whether to use or not.


I wouldn't think you'd get a warn for what you had said. Its all fact, this topic is about the use off an illegal drug, so what you're saying is fine I'd think.

[serial-thrilla]

lets just say this, the country and economy would be alot better if marijuana were legal. They could profit, We wouldnt be wasting tax dollars on jails containing pety marijuana offenders and so on.

[IfPiratesCouldFly]

lets just say this, the country and economy would be alot better if marijuana were legal. They could profit, We wouldnt be wasting tax dollars on jails containing pety marijuana offenders and so on.


...that is an awesome point...i didn't think of that D:

[0=]

Industrial hemp would be more widespread, too. Hemp is possibly the most useful plant on this planet. It grows very rapidly and easily, too. You can use it to produce paper, cloth, rope, as a dietary supplement, for cooking oil, and many other things. Industrial hemp and marijuana are not the same. Industrial hemp has a THC content of 0.3%, whereas marijuana ranges from 5-20%. There are also medical benefits of marijuana, or more specifically THC, but trials are very rare because it's a high level controlled substance.

[Dolphus Raymond]

I'd stay away. I don't really like being in an "altered state" and it's not worth the risk of potential carcinogens to me.

I do support its legalization.

[*Dissident*]

Presumptions regarding cannabis use as a risk factor for the development of certain types of cancer, particularly lung cancer, warrant critical examination. Epidemiologic studies over the past several decades have established causation between alcohol consumption and cancers of the oral cavity, pharynx, larynx, esophagus, liver, colon and rectum, among others. Tobacco use, particularly cigarette smoking, has also been determined to cause similar upper aerodigestive tract (UAT) cancers, as well as cancers of the pancreas, kidneys and bladder, and is implicated with cancers of the stomach and liver, among others.

To date, similar epidemiologic and/or clinical studies on the use of cannabis and cancer are few and not definitive. However, the public and policy-makers should interpret the ambiguity of these results with caution – neither construing them at this time as an endorsement of cannabis’ safety nor as an indictment of its potential health hazards.

(References: Alcohol and cancer. The Lancet. 2006. | Tobacco use and cancer: an epidemiological perspective for geneticists. Oncogene. 2002)

Cannabis Smoke Versus Tobacco Smoke

Cannabis smoke contains many of the same carcinogens as tobacco smoke, including greater concentrations of certain aromatic hydrocarbons such as benzopyrene, prompting fears that chronic marijuana inhalation may be a risk factor for tobacco-use related cancers. However, marijuana smoke also contains cannabinoids such as THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol) and CBD (cannabidiol), which are non-carcinogenic and demonstrate anti-cancer properties in vivo and in vitro. By contrast, nicotine promotes the development of cancer cells and their blood supply. In addition, cannabinoids stimulate other biological activities and responses that may mitigate the carcinogenic effects of smoke, such as down-regulating the inflammatory arm of the immune system that is responsible for producing potentially carcinogenic free radicals (unstable atoms that are believed to accelerate the progression of cancer).

Cannabis smoke – unlike tobacco smoke – has not been definitively linked to cancer in humans, including those cancers associated with tobacco use. However, certain cellular abnormalities in the lungs have been identified more frequently in long-term smokers of cannabis compared to non-smokers. Chronic exposure to cannabis smoke has also been associated with the development of pre-cancerous changes in bronchial and epithelium cells in similar rates to tobacco smokers. Cellular abnormalities were most present in individuals who smoked both tobacco and marijuana, implying that cannabis and tobacco smoke may have an additive adverse effect on airway tissue. The results suggest that long-term exposure to cannabis smoke, particularly when combined with tobacco smoking, is capable of damaging the bronchial system in ways that could one day lead to respiratory cancers. However, to date, no epidemiologic studies of cannabis-only smokers have yet to reveal such a finding. Larger, better-controlled studies are warranted.

Cannabis consumers who desire the rapid onset of action associated with inhalation but who are concerned about the potential harms of noxious smoke can dramatically cut down on their intake of carcinogenic compounds by engaging in vaporization rather than smoking. Cannabis vaporization limits respiratory toxins by heating cannabis to a temperature where cannabinoid vapors form (typically around 180-190 degrees Celsius), but below the point of combustion where noxious smoke and associated toxins (i.e., carcinogenic hydrocarbons) are produced (near 230 degrees Celsius). Because vaporization can deliver doses of cannabinoids while reducing the users intake of carcinogenic smoke, it is considered to be a preferred and likely safer method of cannabis administration than smoking marijuana cigarettes or inhaling from a water pipe. According to the findings of a recent clinical trial, use of the Volcano vaporizing device delivered set doses of THC to subjects in a reproducible manner while suppressing the intake of respiratory toxins.
"Our results show that with the Volcano, a safe and effective cannabinoid delivery system seems to be available to patients," investigators at Leiden University's Institute of Biology (the Netherlands) concluded.

"The final pulmonal uptake of THC is comparable to the smoking of cannabis, while avoiding the respiratory disadvantages of smoking."

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Clinical Pharmacology & Therapeutics. 2007.

Head, Neck and Lung Cancers

While a handful of anecdotal reports and one small case-control study associate heavy marijuana use among younger adults with increased incidents of head, neck and lung cancers, no large scale population studies have replicated these results. Investigators at John Hopkins University in Baltimore reported that neither "lifetime use" nor "ever use" of cannabis were associated with head, neck or lung cancer in younger adults in a large, hospital-based case-control study of 164 oral cancer patients and 526 controls. Researchers concluded, "The balance of evidence from this, the largest case-control study addressing marijuana use and cancer to date, does not favor the idea that marijuana as commonly used in the community is a major causal factor for head, neck or lung cancer in young adults."

More recently, the results of a 2004 population-based case-control study of 407 individuals diagnosed with oral squamous cell carcinoma and 615 healthy controls found "no association" between cannabis use and incidents of oral cancer, regardless of how long, how much or how often individuals had used it. A second 2004 case-control study of 116 oral cancer patients and 207 matched controls also failed to identify any association between self-reported cannabis use and oral cancers in adults age 45 years old or younger, although only 10 percent of patients in the study identified themselves as heavy users of cannabis.

A 1997 retrospective cohort study examining the relationship of marijuana use to cancer incidence in 65,171 men and women 15 to 49 years of age in California found that cannabis use was not associated with increased risks of developing tobacco-use related cancers of the lung and upper aerodigestive tract, and in fact, no cases of lung cancer were identified among men and women who used marijuana but did not smoke tobacco. Critics charge that volunteers in the study were relatively young and that the follow up period was fairly short, arguing that "such a study could not have been expected to detect any relationship between marijuana and lung cancer if the lag period were comparable to that seen with tobacco," which typically occurs after at least 20 years of smoking cigarettes and/or among adults over age 60. The study’s author responds: "[I]n contrast to users of tobacco and alcohol, most cannabis users generally quit using cannabis relatively early in their adult lives. … Therefore, even diseases that might be related to long-term use of cannabis (e.g. lung cancer) are unlikely to have a sizeable public health impact because most people who try cannabis do not become long-term users."

Government reviews investigating a possible link between cannabis use and lung cancer have also failed to find a definitive causal connection between the two. A 1998 report by the British House of Lords Science and Technology Committee concluded, "There is as yet no epidemiological evidence for an increase risk of lung cancer" in cannabis smokers, though authors did concede that studies have revealed cellular changes in the airways of cannabis smokers that could potentially be pre-cancerous. An 18-month study by the US National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine also concluded, "There is no conclusive evidence that marijuana causes cancer in humans, including cancers generally related to tobacco use," but added that cellular studies and a handful of poorly controlled case studies suggest that cannabis smoke may be "an important risk factor" for the development of upper aerodigestive or lung cancers. A 2002 Canadian Senate review further commented that among the small number of case studies present in the literature: "[N]one compare the prevalence of cancer with a control group or evaluates the use of cannabis in a standardized way. Interpretation is also limited by the fact the patients smoked tobacco and drank alcohol."

More recent reviews of the subject published in the journals Alcohol and Lancet Oncology reach similar conclusions. A review of two cohort studies and 14 case-control studies assessing the association of marijuana and cancer risk by Hashibe and colleagues concluded, "[R]esults of cohort studies have not revealed an increased risk of tobacco related cancers among marijuana smokers." Authors did highlight a pair of African case control studies citing marijuana use as a possible elevated risk factor for lung cancer, though they added that investigators failed to assess either the durations of cannabis use or quantify the amount of tobacco used by subjects in conjunction with marijuana. A second 2005 review by Hall and colleagues conclude, "There is a conspicuous lack of evidence on the association between cannabis smoking and lung cancers," and recommends the subject receive additional study.

A large US case-control study funded by the US National Institutes of Health assessing the effects of marijuana smoking on the risks of lung cancer and upper aerodigestive tract cancers among 2,400 Los Angeles County residents less than 60 years of age is ongoing. Preliminary data from the study, presented by investigators at the 2005 annual conference of the International Cannabinoid Research Society (ICRS), report that those who self-reported using moderate levels of cannabis had no greater odds of suffering from lung or UAT cancers than controls.

(References: Marijuana use and increased risk of squamous cell carcinoma of the head and neck. Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers & Prevention. 1999 | Marijuana use is not associated with head, neck or lung cancer in adults younger than 55 years: Results of a case cohort study. In: National Institute on Drug Abuse (Eds) Workshop on Clinical Consequences of Marijuana: Program Book. National Institutes of Health. 2001 | Marijuana use and risk of squamous cell carcinoma. Cancer Research. 2004 | An analysis of risk factors for oral cancer in young people: a case-control study. Oral Oncology. 2004 | Marijuana use and cancer incidence. Cancer, Causes & Controls. 1997 | Leslie Iversen. The Science of Marijuana. Oxford University Press. 2000 | Comparing cannabis with tobacco – again. British Medical Journal. 2003 | House of Lords Science and Technology Committee. Ninth Report. 1998 | National Academy of Sciences, Institute of Medicine. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy Press. 1999 | Report of the Special Senate Committee on Illegal Drugs. Cannabis: Our Position for a Canadian Public Policy. 2002 | Epidemiologic review of marijuana use and cancer risk. Alcohol. 2005 | Cannabinoids and cancer: causation, remediation, and palliation. Lancet Oncology. 2005 | Ongoing case-control study of marijuana use and cancer. In: National Institute on Drug Abuse (Eds) Workshop on Clinical Consequences of Marijuana: Program Book. National Institutes of Health. 2001 | Marijuana Use and the Risk of Lung and Upper Aerodigestive Tract Cancers: Results of a Population-Based Case-Control Study. Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers & Prevention. 2006.

Childhood Cancers

Acute myeloid leukemia (AML) comprises approximately 16 percent of leukemias diagnosed in individuals younger than 15 years of age. A 1989 study suggested that prenatal exposure to marijuana increased the risk of childhood leukemia. However, a more recent 2006 study – the largest epidemiological study of childhood AML to date in the US – rebuts this premise.

"Overall, no positive associations between parental marijuana use and childhood AML were observed," investigators at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill found. They concluded:
"The previously reported positive association between maternal marijuana use before or during pregnancy and childhood AML was not confirmed in this study. Parental marijuana use is unlikely as a strong risk factor for childhood AML."

Investigators also noted evidence of an "inverse association" between cannabis use and a decreased risk of childhood AML, though they suggested that this result was likely due to "recall bias" (e.g., case mothers may have been less likely than control mothers to report having used marijuana before or during pregnancy) rather than any potential protective effects of cannabis. At least one prior large, population-based case-control study also reports an inverse association between marijuana use and a reduced risk of cancer. That study, published in the American Journal of Epidemiology in 1999, reported that lifetime use of cannabis was associated with a reduced risk of adult, non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. "Marijuana was the only recreational drug that remained associated with a reduced risk for non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma after adjusting for potential cofounding factors, investigators determined. (A second study on marijuana use and non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma found no association between cannabis use and onset of the disease.)

A review of the literature reveals two additional case-control studies suggesting an increased risk of certain childhood cancers in offspring of mothers who reported using cannabis. However, neither study was a planned investigation of the potential association between maternal cannabis use and childhood cancers; rather, marijuana use was one of several possible confounding variables measured, making it impossible for investigators to ascribe causation. To date, neither of these findings has been replicated.

(References: Maternal drug use and risk of childhood nonlymphoblastic leukemia among offspring. 1989. Cancer | Parental marijuana use and risk of childhood acute myeloid leukemia: a report from the Children’s Cancer Group. Paediatric and Perinatal Epidemiology. 2006 | Case-Control study of non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma among women and heterosexual men in the San Francisco Bay area, California. American Journal of Epidemiology. 1999 | Alcohol, tobacco and recreational drug use and the risk of non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. British Journal of Cancer. 1997 | Parents’ use of cocaine and marijuana and increased risk of rhabdomyosarcoma in their children. Cancer Causes and Control. 1993 | Gestational and familial risks factors for childhood astrocytoma: results of a case-control study. Cancer Research. 1990)

Other Cancers

Sidney and colleagues, in their 1997 retrospective cohort study of 65,171 men and women, determined that "ever" and "current use" of cannabis was not associated with an increased risk of tobacco-use related cancers or cancers of the colon, lung, skin, prostate, breast and cervix. "Compared with nonusers/experimenters (lifetime use of less than seven times), … marijuana use [was] not associated with increased risk of cancer … in analyses adjusted for sociodemographic factors, cigarette smoking, and alcohol use," investigators determined. A 2005 review of case studies by Hashibe and colleagues also failed to note evidence of a strong association between cannabis use and either anal or penile cancer.

A second cohort study by University of Hawaii researchers investigating the risk for malignant primary onset glioma (brain cancer) associated with cigarette smoking and other lifestyle behaviors did report an increased incidence risk for individuals who smoked cannabis at least once per month, after adjustment for sex, race, education, smoking status, alcohol consumption, and coffee intake. However, no dose-response relation was observed -- by contrast, drinkers of >7 cups of coffee per day had a 70 percent increased risk for glioma – and cannabis was only incidentally assessed as a potential confounding factor

The above finding is curious in light of several recent preclinical studies demonstrating that the administration of cannabinoids selectively inhibit the growth of glioma cells in a dose dependent manner. Among these, an Italian research team, writing in the 2004 issue of the Journal of Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics demonstrated that the administration of the non-psychoactive cannabinoid cannabidiol (CBD) to nude mice significantly inhibited the growth of subcutaneously implanted U87 human glioma cells. Authors wrote, "In conclusion, … CBD was able to produce a significant antitumor activity both in vitro and in vivo, thus suggesting a possible application of CBD as an antineoplastic agent (an agent that inhibits the growth of malignant cells.)" More recently, investigators at the California Pacific Medical Center Research Institute reported that the administration of THC on human glioblastoma multiforme cell lines decreased the proliferation of malignant cells and induced apoptosis (programmed cell death) more rapidly than did the administration of an alternative synthetic cannabis receptor agonist.

Finally, a team of investigators from Stanford University and the Medical College of Georgia recently reported an association between marijuana exposure and bladder cancer in a pilot study of Vietnam-era veterans aged less than 60 years old. However, 77 percent of the cancer patients in the study reported smoking both tobacco and marijuana, and only six subjects (11 percent) admitted to having used marijuana and not tobacco. A 2006 case report published in the journal Urology also suggests heavy cannabis use (up to five cigarettes daily for more than 30 years) as a potential risk factor in a 45-year-old man with transitional cell carcinoma. Follow-up, large-scale epidemiological studies may be warranted in this area.

(References: Marijuana use and cancer incidence. Cancer, Causes & Controls. 1997 | Epidemiologic review of marijuana use and cancer risk. Alcohol. 2005 | The risk for malignant primary adult-onset glioma in a large, multiethnic, managed-care cohort: cigarette smoking and other lifestyle behaviors. Journal of Neurooncology. 2004 | Anti-tumor effects of cannabidiol, a non-psychotropic cannabinoid, on human glioma cell lines. Journal of Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics. 2003 | Cannabinoids selectively inhibit proliferation and induce cell death of cultured human glioblastoma multiforme cells. Journal of Neurooncology. 2005 | Association between marijuana use and transitional cell carcinoma. Urology. 2006 | Transitional cell carcinoma associated with marijuana: case report and review of the literature. Urology. 2006.)

[*Dissident*]

Sorry for the long post...but I think thats enough anti-Marijuana-causes-cancer information for one thread and more.