What's cooler than heaven and hell???!!!

[Jason The Great]

So , I'm going to challenge you guys not based on your belief system , but for actually what you think. I call it a wild guess.

If there wouldn't be any heaven or hell , then where we go after death? I say another world in other galaxies . Honestly this heaven and hell stuff seems like mythology to me and I don't think they exist at all.

What do you think?!:yes:

[Elliott_hn]

So , I'm going to challenge you guys not based on your belief system , but for actually what you think. I call it a wild guess.

If there wouldn't be any heaven or hell , then where we go after death? I say another world in other galaxies . Honestly this heaven and hell stuff seems like mythology to me and I don't think they exist at all.

What do you think?!:yes:

i agree with you, about the galaxy thing and all

[CosmicNoodle]

I'm not going to get angry, as my brain wants me to at that outlandish theory.

When we die, we don't do anything, we stop, people think that they are some sort of spirit, nope, you, you mind, thoughts, memorys, emotions, are nothing more than a complex set of chemicals, interacting with each other and being produced based on outside stimuli. When we die, those chemical reactions, they stop, nothing, nor more do they exist, meaning you, you stop existing.

It's like saying, when I turn off my care, does the soul of it's motion go to car heaven? Nope, it just stops doing the thing that it previously did, and sits there dead.


There is no heaven, or hell, when we die, oblivion, you, your lifetimes emotions, thoughts, feelings, all stop existing, the chemicals stop reacting, you stop existing, simple as that.

"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan

[Gamma Male]

I'm not going to get angry, as my brain wants me to at that outlandish theory.

When we die, we don't do anything, we stop, people think that they are some sort of spirit, nope, you, you mind, thoughts, memorys, emotions, are nothing more than a complex set of chemicals, interacting with each other and being produced based on outside stimuli. When we die, those chemical reactions, they stop, nothing, nor more do they exist, meaning you, you stop existing.

It's like saying, when I turn off my care, does the soul of it's motion go to car heaven? Nope, it just stops doing the thing that it previously did, and sits there dead.


There is no heaven, or hell, when we die, oblivion, you, your lifetimes emotions, thoughts, feelings, all stop existing, the chemicals stop reacting, you stop existing, simple as that.

"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan


What he said.


If the concept of nonexistence seems depressing or whatnot, try to remember what it was like before you were born.

Were you depressed then? Was it cold or miserable or sad before you were born? No. You just didn't exist.

[Gigablue]

Where does the flame go when you blow out a candle? Nowhere, it just ceases to exist. Life, like fire, is a process which ends when we die. We don't go anywhere.

Your ideas are just as speculative and unproven as all other claims of an afterlife. Do you have any evidence to support your claim? Any reason at all to believe it's true? Sure, it sounds nice, but that doesn't make it true. I care about believing as many true things and as few false things about the world as possible; your idea is nice, but simply unsupported by the evidence.

[Kacey]

Alright, 2 standpoints on this.

1: We cease to exist at death. Just like everyone else in this thread has said...

2: This one is a bit harder to understand, but stay with me.
We live in a universe, with 10 or 11 dimensions. (11 is debatable. Let's stick with 10) As we are now, we are 5th dimensional beings. The three spatial dimensions, duration, and a possibility plane. (I will drop a link to a youtube channel at the end of this. He explains this better than me.) So, when we die, it is very possible that we go to the next dimension. The 6th, where physics behaves slightly different. And then we die there, on to the next. So on and so forth.

But that's just me...

Here's that link I mentioned https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYV1uMzZV58iXAr0AR8qKwQ

[gothy]

[QUOTE=Gigablue;3018213]Where does the flame go when you blow out a candle? Nowhere, it just ceases to exist. Life, like fire, is a process which ends when we die. /Quote]

Poetically and intelligently put! :D

[Karkat]

Like others have said, we just cease to exist.

We are nothing but rapidly decaying cells and what we are in the memories of others. Nothing more.

Someday, nothing will be left.

[Jason The Great]

Alright, 2 standpoints on this.

1: We cease to exist at death. Just like everyone else in this thread has said...

2: This one is a bit harder to understand, but stay with me.
We live in a universe, with 10 or 11 dimensions. (11 is debatable. Let's stick with 10) As we are now, we are 5th dimensional beings. The three spatial dimensions, duration, and a possibility plane. (I will drop a link to a youtube channel at the end of this. He explains this better than me.) So, when we die, it is very possible that we go to the next dimension. The 6th, where physics behaves slightly different. And then we die there, on to the next. So on and so forth.

But that's just me...

Here's that link I mentioned https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYV1uMzZV58iXAr0AR8qKwQ

I read all opinions and in fact it's a little hard to face after death like that. But going into next dimension could be acceptable. Everything has a purpose in world , like plants growing producing oxygen for human and trees for foods and etc....then what's human purpose? Just live till death? Human are complicated living beings , and the idea of our soul just vanish into nothingness is not our end. It couldn't be.

There's a body and a soul. I believe in soul deeply , and I believe it has it own source and it will return to it someday...

[Karkat]

I read all opinions and in fact it's a little hard to face after death like that. But going into next dimension could be acceptable. Everything has a purpose in world , like plants growing producing oxygen for human and trees for foods and etc....then what's human purpose? Just live till death? Human are complicated living beings , and the idea of our soul just vanish into nothingness is not our end. It couldn't be.

There's a body and a soul. I believe in soul deeply , and I believe it has it own source and it will return to it someday...

What kind of proof do we have that anything has purpose or meaning in the long run? That's an idea originated by humans.

We make our own meaning.

[eli_w]

Living your entire life believing you're headed towards infinite lack of existence and no state after death is a pretty damn depressing burden and belief to carry with you everywhere

[Leprous]

We end up in a hole in the ground where we'll all rot away.

[Gigablue]

We live in a universe, with 10 or 11 dimensions. (11 is debatable. Let's stick with 10) As we are now, we are 5th dimensional beings. The three spatial dimensions, duration, and a possibility plane. (I will drop a link to a youtube channel at the end of this. He explains this better than me.) So, when we die, it is very possible that we go to the next dimension. The 6th, where physics behaves slightly different. And then we die there, on to the next. So on and so forth.

From a physics point of view, this makes no sense whatsoever. The number of dimensions of the universe is debatable. Different interpretations of string theory posit 10 or 26, M theory posits 11. Regardless, we exist in all the dimensions simultaneously. There are the three spatial dimensions we are familiar with, as well as the time dimension, but the other dimensions are also spacial dimensions. They are simply smaller, or rolled-up. A good analogy is to think of the surface of a straw. There are two spacial dimensions, a length dimension, and one that tells you where you are on the circumference. One dimension is linear, while the other is circular. Our universe functions similarly, though to really understand it, you would need to look at all the equations.

You can't go to another dimension. The concept just doesn't have any meaning. A dimension isn't some alternate reality. It's just a way of talking about where something is located in space or time.

There's a body and a soul. I believe in soul deeply , and I believe it has it own source and it will return to it someday...

Just out of curiosity, why do you believe in a soul? I have seen no convincing evidence to date, and the human mind can be adequately explained on a simply neurological basis. A soul adds no explanatory or predictive power, and isn't supported by evidence.

Living your entire life believing you're headed towards infinite lack of existence and no state after death is a pretty damn depressing burden and belief to carry with you everywhere

I don't find it depressing. Nonexistence isn't bad at all. I didn't exist for thirteen billion years before I was born. I won't mind it after I'm dead.

[eli_w]

I don't find it depressing. Nonexistence isn't bad at all. I didn't exist for thirteen billion years before I was born. I won't mind it after I'm dead.

Of course, when you're dead it won't be depressing, that's because you will no longer be existing
But for every second you're able to comprehend the fact that before and after life is nothingness while you're alive, that is depressing to me

[Jason The Great]

What kind of proof do we have that anything has purpose or meaning in the long run? That's an idea originated by humans.

We make our own meaning.

Look around! Everything's got a purpose! Even the planets are out there so we can reach it some day! We can deduce : everything on this planet has a purpose , we (human) are a great part of this planet , so we have a greater purpose, not just born and die. We aren't just animals. What's our purpose? I dunnu that yet:yes:


Just out of curiosity, why do you believe in a soul? I have seen no convincing evidence to date, and the human mind can be adequately explained on a simply neurological basis. A soul adds no explanatory or predictive power, and isn't supported by evidence.


That's one hullave a question. Actually i just figured i don't believe in it , but i know it exists. Do a one simple exercise and you find it both convincing and fun. Do Out Of Body Experience and see if I'm wrong. And that's only a small part of it that been discovered. Or summon a ghost and ask him or her about their previous life. It might sound idiotic and crazy. It's crazy but not idiotic. Also a fact. some of them been human once. and there's a lot of other phenomenons that I'll try in future.

Just for the record I'm not crazy , nor the other five friends of mine who we did this together. Those who didn't believe in it , started to believe.

[Typhlosion]

You're right man.

I've got my booze volcanoes and strippers awaiting for me in heaven!

[Karkat]

Look around! Everything's got a purpose! Even the planets are out there so we can reach it some day! We can deduce : everything on this planet has a purpose , we (human) are a great part of this planet , so we have a greater purpose, not just born and die. We aren't just animals. What's our purpose? I dunnu that yet:yes:



That's one hullave a question. Actually i just figured i don't believe in it , but i know it exists. Do a one simple exercise and you find it both convincing and fun. Do Out Of Body Experience and see if I'm wrong. And that's only a small part of it that been discovered. Or summon a ghost and ask him or her about their previous life. It might sound idiotic and crazy. It's crazy but not idiotic. Also a fact. some of them been human once. and there's a lot of other phenomenons that I'll try in future.

Just for the record I'm not crazy , nor the other five friends of mine who we did this together. Those who didn't believe in it , started to believe.

And while I respect that you believe that, I wholeheartedly disagree.

[Lovelife090994]

I feel like our souls live on. We are more than a body and after death you live on. Some people can experience the feeling in meditation, astral projection, or in dreams. It is hard to explain. But I believe one does not simply die. You leave a legacy in the physical world and later live as a soul and being in another dimension. We don't remember life before death, at least not all of us. But the main thing is no one truly knows. I don't think we know what awaits.

[Aajj333]

Skeleton war

[amgb]

I reckon none of us knows what happens after death, simply because we haven't died yet and experienced it. And for the deceased, we can't communicate with them to know what it's like after death either. Most of us will say we just cease to exist, and I think science pretty much sums that up, but there's so much more to this world that we have yet to discover. Maybe there is an afterlife, and we just continue living with no memory of our previous life. Maybe we do move to another dimension or another world

[Babs]

I've always pictured death as eternal nothingness.

[Miserabilia]

Death = non-life/ non-existence,

there's literally no scenario that we as living things could come up with that could come even slightly closer to death.
It's like trying to come up with a new colour.

[Stronk Serb]

God: You have sinned child, you cannot go into Heaven. I would like to let you but you didn't earn it.
Me: Screw you! I'm gonna go build my own heaven with blackjack and hookers.

[Jason The Great]

If you don't believe in afterlife , doesn't that make you feel bad?

[Lovelife090994]

I think the soul is eternal. You may cease to remember a past life but we make our own Heaven and Hell. In Astral Projection it is like seeing the world and universe, basically the soul lives on in another dimension in my beliefs. I fail to see how anything just dies. We all have a life force but we don't always know that nor do we all need to. For me my earliest memory is being in an incubator, seeing my mother's face, and seeing so much light but it wasn't white, but blue and white like starlight. I know this may not make sense but for me it's what I believe, feel, and look at most.

[Lovelife090994]

Look around! Everything's got a purpose! Even the planets are out there so we can reach it some day! We can deduce : everything on this planet has a purpose , we (human) are a great part of this planet , so we have a greater purpose, not just born and die. We aren't just animals. What's our purpose? I dunnu that yet:yes:



That's one hullave a question. Actually i just figured i don't believe in it , but i know it exists. Do a one simple exercise and you find it both convincing and fun. Do Out Of Body Experience and see if I'm wrong. And that's only a small part of it that been discovered. Or summon a ghost and ask him or her about their previous life. It might sound idiotic and crazy. It's crazy but not idiotic. Also a fact. some of them been human once. and there's a lot of other phenomenons that I'll try in future.

Just for the record I'm not crazy , nor the other five friends of mine who we did this together. Those who didn't believe in it , started to believe.

I agree totally. Astral projection is very enlightening. Everything has purpose in a small way or another. Also souls don't die because they are your life force.

[ImagineRepublicCity]

Of course, there is nothing to actually say what is and isn't real. Which is why (I don't know much about religion, sorry if I offend anyone or get something wrong) for some, the heaven and hell concept or even the finding enlightenment concept, they all are genuine theories which could work. It is extremely difficult to find evidence to say whether or not this is all true.

In fact, this could all be a game in which we live out a life and when we die, we get token determining our life span and achievements.

Though I believe the most plausible idea (for me anyway), is like most people, when you die, you just disappear, and everything which you knew is erased from you and that's that. the end.

[Silicate Wielder]

That's easy... SCIENCE! OR more specifically, the fictional realism multiverse theory, given that there are an infinite number of universes, any idea, or thought is actually reality in another universe, for instance this very post could be legit verification of the theory in another universe.

[jssixna]

Ima stick my neck out and say I think there is heaven and hell. I grew up in a very Christian home and so the beliefs have been put in me through 16 years of hearing this. Not trying to offend you guys but I believe our souls will end up in either paradise or torture. I know it sounds bad and makes you not want to believe in it but I'm only a person and I can't tell you what to believe in or not. Sorry

[randomuser123]

I think we are nothing more than a set of complex hydrocarbons and other molecules, nicely arranged in a skin. When we die, those chemicals stop reacting with each other leaving nothing but a rotting pool of meat. We are not concious after we die, we have no memories, no feelings - no nothing. It is like falling asleep (more like being anaesthetised) without dreams and never waking up - we are never concious again. I therefore think that since we aren't around to regret anything - there is literally no downside to death. The only downside is that dying is often rather painful!

[the main man]

umm i vote heaven

[Saint of Sinners]

Nothing happens.

"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark,"

-Stephen Hawking

[Sugaree]

Nowhere. That's where we go. Once our existence ends, that is that. No righteous adventures through the universe with Wayne and Garth or Bill and Ted. Our bodies are only vessels that have the ability to recognize our own existence.

[phuckphace]

Nowhere. That's where we go. Once our existence ends, that is that. No righteous adventures through the universe with Wayne and Garth or Bill and Ted. Our bodies are only vessels that have the ability to recognize our own existence.

welp there goes my dream of exploring the fourth dimension with Jay and Silent Bob

[Sugaree]

welp there goes my dream of exploring the fourth dimension with Jay and Silent Bob

There's always LSD.

[Excalibur]

First of all, I'd like to point out that I am a Christian, and I believe in Heaven or Hell. But I think that if there were no Heaven or Hell to go to after we die, we would just... die. Our soul would cease to exist. Not even blackness, just... nothing. The absence of existence. But Heaven and Hell do exist in my opinion. So, when we die, we either have eternal suffering or eternal amazeballs ahead of us. :D