Black Teen Shot Dead By Police

[fairmaiden]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2886025/Black-teenager-shot-dead-police-close-scene-Michael-Brown-killed-Ferguson-Missouri.html
A black teenager has been shot dead by a police officer at a gas station only a few miles from where Michael Brown was killed in Ferguson, Missouri.
The victim, who has been named by his mother as Antonio Martin, 18, was killed at a Mobil gas station on North Hanley Road at about 1am.
Toni Martin, the victim's mother, confirmed that her son had been killed.

Antonio Martin, 18, was shot dead by police at a Mobil gas station, pictured, near Ferguson Missouri

Mr Martin's body was kept at the scene of the shooting, pictured, for several hours beside a police cruiser
p of about 60 people gathered at the scene of the shooting on the outskirts of St Louis, last night
Mr Martin's body was kept on the parking lot overnight as the investigation into the shooting began.
He was covered by a yellow body bag beside a police cruiser.
According to the St Louis Post Dispatch, Mrs Martin said her son was with his girlfriend at the time of the shooting.

A crowd of about 60 people have arrived at the scene, which is only a short distance from where Michael Brown was shot dead in August causing massive protests.
Officers secured the area surrounding Mr Martin's body with crime scene tape although authorities have yet to comment on the situation.
It is understood that officers approached Mr Martin and a friend and wanted to search them. The second person was uninjured.
Crowds gather at scene of Antonio Martin's death

St Louis County police claim that Martin pulled a gun and pointed it at the officer who opened fire.
County police spokesman Sergeant Brian Schellman said a Berkeley police officer was conducting a routine business check at a gas station around 11:15 pm Tuesday when he saw two men and approached them.
Sergeant Schellman says one of the men pulled a handgun and pointed it at the officer. The officer fired several shots, striking and fatally wounding the man. Schellman says that the second person fled and that the deceased man's handgun has been recovered.


Detectives claim they have recovered a handgun from the scene.
In a statement on the shooting, St Louis County Police Department said: 'At approximately 11:15pm on December 23, 2014, a police officer with the City of Berkeley was conducting a routine business check at the Mobile Gas Station located at 6800 N. Hanley when he observed two male subjects on the side of the building.
'The Berkeley Police Officer exited his vehicle and approached the subjects when one of the men pulled a handgun and pointed it at the officer.
'Fearing for his life, the Berkeley Officer fired several shots, striking the subject, fatally wounding him. The second subject fled the scene.
'The Berkeley Police Department requested the St. Louis County Police Department's Crimes Against Persons Unit to handle the investigation. St. Louis County Police Detectives have recovered the deceased subject's handgun at the scene.
'At this time, we cannot confirm the identity of the deceased subject. The investigation is on-going and further details will be provided as the investigation proceeds.'



If this is true, obviously he should never have been pointing a gun at the police. I think the news needs to release more details.

[Vlerchan]

It's hard to "diffuse" a situation when someone's pointing a pistol at you from point blank range. If events are depicted as above then he's not at fault.

Hopefully more information will be released over the next few days.

[Plane And Simple]

This "OMG I fear for my life ima kill him" shit of the US police is something they need to get fixed. European police never shoot to kill if they only "suspect" their life's in danger.

[jordanhardy]

No matter what part of the world your in, if you point a gun at a police officer, then the likelihood is that your going to get shot. I'd say that any officer in St. Louis would be justified in believing their life would be in danger if somebody drew a weapon on them, especially with all the hatred being thrown at them at the moment. I hate all the media around this sort of thing though, police officers get killed everyday across the US but that rarely makes the headlines, but as soon as the police shoot someone, it's the end of the world and all hell breaks loose!

[Plane And Simple]

No matter what part of the world your in, if you point a gun at a police officer, then the likelihood is that your going to get shot. I'd say that any officer in St. Louis would be justified in believing their life would be in danger if somebody drew a weapon on them, especially with all the hatred being thrown at them at the moment. I hate all the media around this sort of thing though, police officers get killed everyday across the US but that rarely makes the headlines, but as soon as the police shoot someone, it's the end of the world and all hell breaks loose!

While I agree with what you say, the big difference here is WHERE you shoot at. Euro cops do NOT fatally shoot ANYBODY who just pointed a gun at them.

[jordanhardy]

It depends on the situation, UK cops do things much differently to the rest of Europe as they sent all armed. If there is mention of a firearm they will call for armed support who will attend prepared so they automatically have the upper hand, in the states nearly everybody has a firearm and can pull it out without the officers knowing they have one. IF somebody drew a gun on me whilst walking over to them, then I'd be firing at them whilst running for cover. It's difficult to judge if you've never been in that situation.

[CosmicNoodle]

This "OMG I fear for my life ima kill him" shit of the US police is something they need to get fixed. European police never shoot to kill if they only "suspect" their life's in danger.

Exactly, the American police are far to trigger happy. Slightest signnof resistance or danger and they immediately decide to fuck shir up.

[Vlerchan]

I'm just wondering how if Martin had a gun pointed at the officer the officer might have managed to draw his own gun and then shoot Martin before Martin got a shot off.

[phuckphace]

This "OMG I fear for my life ima kill him" shit of the US police is something they need to get fixed. European police never shoot to kill if they only "suspect" their life's in danger.

so you would be willing to take that chance? it's pretty easy to talk like that from behind a keyboard, but in the real world people tend to avoid gambling with their lives to the extent that they can, even in dangerous jobs like being a cop. if you suspect wrongly (that's the risk) you'll end up dead, and being dead is pretty permanent.

speaking of dead people. there's a black ghetto about 20 minutes from my place where blacks are quite happy to murder one another at the drop of a hat, and most of the time it's over stupid shit like petty theft of a sack of weed or some guy suspecting that some other guy fucked his girlfriend or some arbitrary territorial dispute. their propensity for wanton hair-trigger violence can't be understated. you should come take a stroll with me down those streets at 2 AM and you'll be begging for a gun after about 5 minutes (and if you survive you'll go on to be a cop).

[thatcountrykid]

This "OMG I fear for my life ima kill him" shit of the US police is something they need to get fixed. European police never shoot to kill if they only "suspect" their life's in danger.

well id say a gun pointed at him counts as danger

I'm just wondering how if Martin had a gun pointed at the officer the officer might have managed to draw his own gun and then shoot Martin before Martin got a shot off.

sorry for the double post would a mod merge it?

speed, suprise, and violence of action. the train for that. i know an officer who had a cocked revolver aimed at him and still got his gun drawn and shot the guy.

presumably, a good by the officer if this is what he did, he had his hands close to his gun, and was prepared for it. years of drawing a gun creates muscle memory.

[CosmicNoodle]

well id say a gun pointed at him counts as danger

I will, once again, draw your attention to the fact that most European police and punishment systems are more effective than the American system.

But you do make a good point, since he (supposedly) had a gun pointed at him, there was little other option at that point. I suppose in this situation, if the aslant did actually have a gun, then perhaps the cop was justified.

But it wouldn't surprise me if the teen in question didn't actually have a gun, at this point I don't trust police reports.

[fairmaiden]

well id say a gun pointed at him counts as danger



sorry for the double post would a mod merge it?

speed, suprise, and violence of action. the train for that. i know an officer who had a cocked revolver aimed at him and still got his gun drawn and shot the guy.

presumably, a good by the officer if this is what he did, he had his hands close to his gun, and was prepared for it. years of drawing a gun creates muscle memory.
If he's spent 'years drawing a gun' then he should know how to handle situations like this without killing someone.

I've read several different news articles about this and there appears to be multiple discrepancies. There are also loads of theories of the police planting the gun, and there are people saying that the police laughed at the grieving crowd, didn't call the ambulance, and the police officer's camera just happened to cut out before he shot him. Seems suspicious.

[Vlerchan]

I hate all the media around this sort of thing though, police officers get killed everyday across the US but that rarely makes the headlines, but as soon as the police shoot someone, it's the end of the world and all hell breaks loose!
I somehow managed to miss this end-bit.

At least 400 (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/another-much-higher-count-of-police-homicides/) people get killed by police in America each year and most of these go scantly reported.

Here's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_December_2014 ) just December 2014 alone (64 kills) - and it's not even over.

There are also loads of theories of the police planting the gun.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2014/dec/24/cctv-footage-antonio-martin-gun-police-missouri-video

[thatcountrykid]

If he's spent 'years drawing a gun' then he should know how to handle situations like this without killing someone.

I've read several different news articles about this and there appears to be multiple discrepancies. There are also loads of theories of the police planting the gun, and there are people saying that the police laughed at the grieving crowd, didn't call the ambulance, and the police officer's camera just happened to cut out before he shot him. Seems suspicious.

Are you fucking kidding me. There's footage released of him pointing the gun at the cop. Holy shit. Tell me how would you handle someone pointing a loaded gun at you, ready to kill you?

[fairmaiden]

Are you fucking kidding me. There's footage released of him pointing the gun at the cop. Holy shit. Tell me how would you handle someone pointing a loaded gun at you, ready to kill you?
I'm not going to say whether he is innocent, or whether he is guilty, as what he's holding in his hand can't even be seen properly. When the footage is refined and if it's clear that he's holding a gun, then I'll be able to know whether he's guilty or not.

[Dalcourt]

oh well, is there anything to say??
I mean most US police officers are very quick when it comes to shooting and are obviously afraid of black people. so as a black person you should know by now that you should avoid anything that a police officer finds threatening.

[Typhlosion]

Guys, I know it's annoying to have your posts deleted and read this from a mod, but please refrain from going off-topic, especially when it's between personal issues that you have between each other. If you must have that kind of conversation, take it somewhere else. I hate doing this, you guys have heard this many times and are aware, so let's please collaborate.

[SethfromMI]

No matter what part of the world your in, if you point a gun at a police officer, then the likelihood is that your going to get shot. I'd say that any officer in St. Louis would be justified in believing their life would be in danger if somebody drew a weapon on them, especially with all the hatred being thrown at them at the moment. I hate all the media around this sort of thing though, police officers get killed everyday across the US but that rarely makes the headlines, but as soon as the police shoot someone, it's the end of the world and all hell breaks loose!

someone points a gun at me and I have a gun, I am shooting without thinking twice about it

[Southside]

Sounds like the kid was armed, therefore the shooting was justified

[taylorht8397]

No matter what part of the world your in, if you point a gun at a police officer, then the likelihood is that your going to get shot. I'd say that any officer in St. Louis would be justified in believing their life would be in danger if somebody drew a weapon on them, especially with all the hatred being thrown at them at the moment. I hate all the media around this sort of thing though, police officers get killed everyday across the US but that rarely makes the headlines, but as soon as the police shoot someone, it's the end of the world and all hell breaks loose!

It's true. The sad part is, is that the African Americans can't let the 1960's and before go. They're always super defensive that the white people or "crackers" as they like to call us are out to get them day in and day out. A lot of these people are also the same people that preach equal rights, and then in the same breath they're pointing the finger at white people blaming them for stuff. I can guarantee if it were a white kid that got shot, no one would blink an eye. For every action there is a reaction and that kid pointed a gun at the cop. That cop would have defended himself no matter the color of the person's skin.

[Southside]

It's true. The sad part is, is that the African Americans can't let the 1960's and before go. They're always super defensive that the white people or "crackers" as they like to call us are out to get them day in and day out. A lot of these people are also the same people that preach equal rights, and then in the same breath they're pointing the finger at white people blaming them for stuff. I can guarantee if it were a white kid that got shot, no one would blink an eye. For every action there is a reaction and that kid pointed a gun at the cop. That cop would have defended himself no matter the color of the person's skin.

The "1960's" werent just a African-American thing, it was a American thing with people from all backgrounds demanding equal rights.

So some of the hardships that African-Americans face today aren't results of unequal practices and segregation? Black leaders always demand equal rights even today because we don't have the same opportunities as a Caucasian teenager in a middle class suburban environment would.

And on the topic of race and police, i agree that regardless of race. If you give a officer a JUSTIFIABLE reason to shoot you then so be it.

[Allbutanillusion]

While I agree with what you say, the big difference here is WHERE you shoot at. Euro cops do NOT fatally shoot ANYBODY who just pointed a gun at them.

And that my friend, is why there are three DEAD police officers as well as innocent citizens in France now. I mean seriously get off of your high horse

[fairmaiden]

It's true. The sad part is, is that the African Americans can't let the 1960's and before go. They're always super defensive that the white people or "crackers" as they like to call us are out to get them day in and day out. A lot of these people are also the same people that preach equal rights, and then in the same breath they're pointing the finger at white people blaming them for stuff. I can guarantee if it were a white kid that got shot, no one would blink an eye. For every action there is a reaction and that kid pointed a gun at the cop. That cop would have defended himself no matter the color of the person's skin.

I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of African-Americans out there who never refer to white people as ''crackers''.

[Vlerchan]

And that my friend, is why there are three DEAD police officers as well as innocent citizens in France now. I mean seriously get off of your high horse
Citing a once-off terrorist attack as an argument against what Plane and Simple was saying is fallacious.

Regardless the French police did shoot-to-kill these terrorists so it's fallacious whatever way you look at it.

[Plane And Simple]

And that my friend, is why there are three DEAD police officers as well as innocent citizens in France now. I mean seriously get off of your high horse


Lol.

I hope you see why citing a once-off terrorist attack as an argument against what Plane and Simple was saying is fallacious.

Regardless the French police did shoot-to-kill these terrorists so it's fallacious whatever way you look at it.

What vlerchan said exactly. A terrorist isn't the same as your average citizen.

[dirtyboxer55]

This "OMG I fear for my life ima kill him" shit of the US police is something they need to get fixed. European police never shoot to kill if they only "suspect" their life's in danger.

so from this i can tell youre a fool who's probably never shot a gun right? when youre under the pressure like this you just aim for center mass and shoot, its a lot harder to hit a leg or arm or something and in situations where the adrenaline is running a shot to the leg or arm only has a chance to stop the threat

[Stronk Serb]

Our coos here would've shot you dead for that and I respect that, I would to the same. When you see a guy waving and pointing his gun around you, your instinct is to stop the danger.